cricket wrote:
> Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their
> location private, according to newly unredacted court documents.

It's only a surprise to these gormless Apple crybabies that the big
companies (including Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Amazon, Facebook, you name
it) spy on us and make it hard for us to not be spied upon.

This clueless "cricket" posted the same thing many times in the Android
newsgroup under the nym of "Alan Baker" (well after the Android newsgroup
discussed the matter separately in a manner that was constructive).

We remove the Google Account if we want.
We fake our GPS location if we want.
We set our defaults to non Google apps if we want.
We set our default browser to any browser we want.
We set our default voice assistant to anyone we want.
We add automation and quick shortcuts to reset any setting we want.
We use any app store we want to get our apps from.
and so on.

We're constructive. Not destructive.
We know the big companies spy on us and we deal with it appropriately.

If you drop low enough to bother to respond to this "cricket" (aka Alan
Baker) please remove the Android newsgroup which has already discussed this
in a constructive manner (as in how to set the phone up properly) without
even mentioning the iPhone because the Android newsgroup isn't a crybaby
newsgroup.

We just set up our phone to do what we want.
You can't do that on an iPhone (and don't even try to claim you can).

His rant is mostly for the clueless iPhone users & not Android users.

Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their
location private, according to newly unredacted court documents.

Even Google execs and employees in charge of location data were
confused about how privacy settings worked.

Google was sued by Arizona's attorney general over its data
collection practices last year.

See more stories on Insider's business page.

Newly unredacted documents in a lawsuit against Google reveal
that the company's own executives and engineers knew just how
difficult the company had made it for smartphone users to keep
their location data private.

Google continued collecting location data even when users turned
off various location-sharing settings, made popular privacy
settings harder to find, and even pressured LG and other phone
makers into hiding settings precisely because users liked them,
according to the documents.

Jack Menzel, a former vice president overseeing Google Maps,
admitted during a deposition that the only way Google wouldn't
be able to figure out a user's home and work locations is if
that person intentionally threw Google off the trail by setting
their home and work addresses as some other random locations.

Jen Chai, a Google senior product manager in charge of location
services, didn't know how the company's complex web of privacy
settings interacted with each other, according to the documents.

Google and LG did not respond to requests for comment on this
story.

The documents are part of a lawsuit brought against Google by
the Arizona attorney general's office last year, which accused
the company of illegally collecting location data from
smartphone users even after they opted out.

A judge ordered new sections of the documents to be unredacted
last week in response to a request by trade groups Digital
Content Next and News Media Alliance, which argued that it was
in the public's interest to know and that Google was using its
legal resources to suppress scrutiny of its data collection
practices.

The unsealed versions of the documents paint an even more
detailed picture of how Google obscured its data collection
techniques, confusing not just its users but also its own
employees.

Google uses a variety of avenues to collect user location data,
according to the documents, including WiFi and even third-party
apps not affiliated with Google, forcing users to share their
data in order to use those apps or, in some cases, even connect
their phones to WiFi.

"So there is no way to give a third party app your location and
not Google?" one employee said, according to the documents,
adding: "This doesn't sound like something we would want on the
front page of the [New York Times]."

When Google tested versions of its Android operating system that
made privacy settings easier to find, users took advantage of
them, which Google viewed as a "problem," according to the
documents. To solve that problem, Google then sought to bury
those settings deeper within the settings menu.

Google also tried to convince smartphone makers to hide location
settings "through active misrepresentations and/or concealment,
suppression, or omission of facts" - that is, data Google had
showing that users were using those settings - "in order to
assuage [manufacturers'] privacy concerns."

Google employees appeared to recognize that users were
frustrated by the company's aggressive data collection
practices, potentially hurting its business.

"Fail #2: *I* should be able to get *my* location on *my* phone
without sharing that information with Google," one employee said.

"This may be how Apple is eating our lunch," they added, saying
Apple was "much more likely" to let users take advantage of
location-based apps and services on their phones without sharing
the data with Apple.

Read the original article on Business Insider

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apple-eating-lunch-google-employees-
021605239.html

On 30.05.2021 14:29, Gronk wrote:
> cricket wrote:
>> Google made it nearly impossible for users to keep their location
>> private, according to newly unredacted court documents.
>
> It's only a surprise to these gormless Apple crybabies that the big
> companies (including Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Amazon, Facebook, you name
> it) spy on us and make it hard for us to not be spied upon.
>
> This clueless "cricket" posted the same thing many times in the Android
> newsgroup under the nym of "Alan Baker" (well after the Android newsgroup
> discussed the matter separately in a manner that was constructive).
>
> We remove the Google Account if we want.
> We fake our GPS location if we want.
> We set our defaults to non Google apps if we want.
> We set our default browser to any browser we want.
> We set our default voice assistant to anyone we want.
> We add automation and quick shortcuts to reset any setting we want.
> We use any app store we want to get our apps from.
> and so on.
>
> We're constructive. Not destructive.
> We know the big companies spy on us and we deal with it appropriately.
>
> If you drop low enough to bother to respond to this "cricket" (aka Alan
> Baker) please remove the Android newsgroup which has already discussed this
> in a constructive manner (as in how to set the phone up properly) without
> even mentioning the iPhone because the Android newsgroup isn't a crybaby
> newsgroup.
> We just set up our phone to do what we want.
> You can't do that on an iPhone (and don't even try to claim you can).
>
> His rant is mostly for the clueless iPhone users & not Android users.
>
The same WebTV rant from the end of 20th century applies to iPhones as
well: https://webtvexposed.tripod.com/

A good compromise between the complexity of PCs and simplicity of iPhone
would be an Android phone. You can use it just like an iPhone or use
extra features if you want to, that's how flexible Android is.

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This Android OS is quite good and is continuously being updated.
I have switched to it. De-googled Android OS.

https://calyxos.org/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CalyxOS/new/

anon wrote on 12.07.2021 14:08
> This Android OS is quite good and is continuously being updated.
> I have switched to it. De-googled Android OS.
>
> https://calyxos.org/
> https://www.reddit.com/r/CalyxOS/new/

While replacing the entire operating system works fine for Android...
A less radical option is to easily de-google without needing to root.
1. Don't set up any accounts on the phone
2. Replace each key Google app with FOSS privacy based apps
3. Disable as many permissions to as many google modules as you can
--
Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, Jolly Roger,
Lewis, nospam, Rod Speed, Savageduck, Wade Garrett, Wolffan, Your Name,
et al. are all ashamed by the fact Apple is never what it said it was.

Am 12.07.21 um 14:08 schrieb anon:
> This Android OS is quite good and is continuously being updated.
> I have switched to it. De-googled Android OS.
>
> https://calyxos.org/
> https://www.reddit.com/r/CalyxOS/new/

This alone disqualifies Android for serious private and business use.

In article <scm82b$66v$1@dont-email.me>
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>
> Am 12.07.21 um 14:08 schrieb anon:
> > This Android OS is quite good and is continuously being updated.
> > I have switched to it. De-googled Android OS.
> >
> > https://calyxos.org/
> > https://www.reddit.com/r/CalyxOS/new/
>
> This alone disqualifies Android for serious private and business use.

Right, and we're going to embrace a piece of junk made by Apple
to run and manage businesses?

iPhones are for social media whore retards. That's all they are
good for.

On 2021-07-14 2:24 a.m., Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> In article <scm82b$66v$1@dont-email.me>
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>
>> Am 12.07.21 um 14:08 schrieb anon:
>>> This Android OS is quite good and is continuously being updated.
>>> I have switched to it. De-googled Android OS.
>>>
>>> https://calyxos.org/
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/CalyxOS/new/
>>
>> This alone disqualifies Android for serious private and business use.
>
> Right, and we're going to embrace a piece of junk made by Apple
> to run and manage businesses?
>
> iPhones are for social media whore retards. That's all they are
> good for.
>

Wow.

With a cogent argument like that...

Joerg Lorenz wrote on 14.07.2021 10:45
>> While replacing the entire operating system works fine for Android...
>> A less radical option is to easily de-google without needing to root.
>> 1. Don't set up any accounts on the phone
>> 2. Replace each key Google app with FOSS privacy based apps
>> 3. Disable as many permissions to as many google modules as you can
>
> This makes an Android device completely unusable and ist ridiculous.
> Might be sufficient for paulie's kindergarten needs ... *ROTFLSTC*

WTF?
*Why are Apple apologists like Jeorg Lorenz so utterly ignorant of Android?*

My phone is vastly _more_ functional using the FOSS Google replacements
than it would have been had I been using only those Google apps instead.

Since I'm not like Joeg, I prove what I say, which is why my credibility is
stellar. For one (of many) examples, the "NewPipe" YouTube replacement is so
much more functional it's like YouTube on steroids.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Zqptz2MQ/share02.jpg>

*Almost everything NewPipe does is _impossible_ to do with Google YouTube.*
<https://i.postimg.cc/g0wQpDwx/newpipe01.jpg>
(Once you use the NewPipe scraper, you'll _never_ want YouTube ever again!)
<https://i.postimg.cc/90BNbgkn/newpipe03.jpg>

As another example, to prove what I say, using the Aurora FOSS replacement
for the Google Play store client is like Google Play the way it should be.
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf8ybgYB/apk01.jpg>

*Almost everything Aurora does is _impossible_ to do with a Google client.*
<https://i.postimg.cc/vTdMwgnW/apk02.jpg>
(Once you use the Aurora scraper, you'll _never_ want GP ever again!)
<https://i.postimg.cc/VvF024NZ/apk03.jpg>

In summary, only these ignorant Apple apologists like Joerg Lorenz are
unaware there is a one-to-one _better_ replacement for almost every Google
app out there - where - contrary to what Joerg says - the functionality of
Android is vastly improved by using these FOSS Google replacement apps.

Whom do you trust on credibility of stated facts? Joerg Lorenz or me?
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Lewis, nospam, Rod Speed, Savageduck, Wade Garrett, Wolffan, Your Name,
et al. are all fantastically ignorant of the simplest Android features.

Fritz Wuehler wrote on 14.07.2021 11:24
>> This alone disqualifies Android for serious private and business use.
> Right, and we're going to embrace a piece of junk made by Apple
> to run and manage businesses?
>
> iPhones are for social media whore retards. That's all they are
> good for.

*The list of things we do every day that are _impossible_ on iOS, is huge.*

The iPhone is so brain dead that we, on Android, do scores of things a day
which are literally _impossible_ to do on the iPhone toys apologists use.
*Existing app functionality which is free on Android*
*and yet which doesn't even exist for iOS*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/dpen5KKvpkU>

The iOS homescreen launcher is so primitive it has never been improved upon
since the archaic stone age of smartphone designs - where it can't even put
the users' icons on any grid they want and save it for re-use on all phones.

On the iPhone, they can't even debug their own WiFi or cellular using free
FOSS wireless network debugging tools, they can't automatically record phone
calls, they can't watch YouTube videos without ads, they can't automatically
save IPAs upon installation, even backup and restore apps already on their
devices to any other device, even if that specific app version they love is
no longer on the app store.

*The list of things we do every day that are _impossible_ on iOS, is huge.*

And yet, there isn't a _single_ app functionality on iOS not already on
Android, for a simple, logical, sensible, and rational reason.
1. Apple limits what the market can provide to the iOS user
2. Google can't.
--
Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, Jolly Roger,
Lewis, nospam, Rod Speed, Savageduck, Wade Garrett, Wolffan, Your Name,
et al. are ashamed & embarrassed at the utter lack of iOS functionality.

On 7/14/21 12:43 PM, paul wrote:
> My phone is vastly_more_ functional using the FOSS Google replacements
> than it would have been had I been using only those Google apps
> instead.

I view that as a statement / indictment against Google's (brand)
programs / app(lications) than anything else.

I've LONG been saying that Google's UI and UX leave a LOT to be desired.

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In comp.internet.services.google Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
> On 7/14/21 12:43 PM, paul wrote:
> > My phone is vastly_more_ functional using the FOSS Google replacements
> > than it would have been had I been using only those Google apps
> > instead.

> I view that as a statement / indictment against Google's (brand)
> programs / app(lications) than anything else.

> I've LONG been saying that Google's UI and UX leave a LOT to be desired.

It's not just Google too. :(
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On 7/14/21 5:30 PM, Ant wrote:
> It's not just Google too. :(
Agreed.

But I often have people pointing to Google as examples of /good/ UIs /
UXs / services.

I have to bite my tongue, turn around, and walk away.

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In article <scnkdm$bqk$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>
> On 7/14/21 12:43 PM, paul wrote:
> > My phone is vastly_more_ functional using the FOSS Google replacements
> > than it would have been had I been using only those Google apps
> > instead.
>
> I view that as a statement / indictment against Google's (brand)
> programs / app(lications) than anything else.
>
> I've LONG been saying that Google's UI and UX leave a LOT to be desired.

An Apple using IT exec ordered Chromebooks for us because they
were cheaper and would "work perfectly well" for the "menial
tasks" performed by system admins. Why Chromebooks? Because
Macbooks cost a lot more.

Anyway, after a couple of old storage arrays lost vdisks because
we admins couldn't perform the menial task of accessing the
management GUI or CLI, she grudging "allowed" us to pillage some
decom laptops to install Linux or Windows as needed.

She spends most of her day playing on snapchat, twitter and
slack. Oh, and the 10 minute morning meeting where we get raked
over the coals for our lack of social media presence.

Somebody has to do those "menial tasks" so others can justify
their jobs.

In article <d2e294337ad6762aa629807315c5111c@remailer.privacy.at>
"Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at>
wrote:
>
>
> In article <scnkdm$bqk$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>
> Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
> >
> > On 7/14/21 12:43 PM, paul wrote:
> > > My phone is vastly_more_ functional using the FOSS Google replacements
> > > than it would have been had I been using only those Google apps
> > > instead.
> >
> > I view that as a statement / indictment against Google's (brand)
> > programs / app(lications) than anything else.
> >
> > I've LONG been saying that Google's UI and UX leave a LOT to be desired.
>
>
> Somebody has to do those "menial tasks" so others can justify
> their jobs.

Ha! I KNOW That line! Bank of America!

Am 14.07.21 um 17:38 schrieb Alan Baker:
> On 2021-07-14 2:24 a.m., Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>> In article <scm82b$66v$1@dont-email.me>
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>> This alone disqualifies Android for serious private and business use.
>>
>> Right, and we're going to embrace a piece of junk made by Apple
>> to run and manage businesses?
>>
>> iPhones are for social media whore retards. That's all they are
>> good for.
>>
>
> Wow.
>
> With a cogent argument like that...

;-)