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* X-NO-ARCHIVEKenW
`* Re: X-NO-ARCHIVEKenW
 +* Re: X-NO-ARCHIVEMerle
 |+- Re: X-NO-ARCHIVEKenW
 |`* Re: X-NO-ARCHIVEgfretwell
 | `- Re: X-NO-ARCHIVEMerle
 +* Re: X-NO-ARCHIVERalph Fox
 |`- Re: X-NO-ARCHIVEKenW
 `* Re: X-NO-ARCHIVEArthur Conan Doyle
  +- Re: X-NO-ARCHIVEsomeone.else
  `* Re: X-NO-ARCHIVERalph Fox
   `- Re: X-NO-ARCHIVEKenW

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From: ken1...@invalid.net (KenW)
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Subject: X-NO-ARCHIVE
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 by: KenW - Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:18 UTC

Someone complained that I had this setting in a usenet post.
Could someone tell me where this setting is ?

Never had this complaint before so I want to check.

KenW

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From: ken1...@invalid.net (KenW)
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 by: KenW - Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:33 UTC

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:18:47 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:

>
>Someone complained that I had this setting in a usenet post.
>Could someone tell me where this setting is ?
>
>Never had this complaint before so I want to check.
>
>
>KenW

Found the setting, which is a default usenet setting. Should I change
it ?

KenW

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 by: Mer...@invalid.com - Mon, 12 Jul 2021 12:10 UTC

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:33:40 -0600, KenW
<ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:18:47 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Someone complained that I had this setting in a usenet post.
>>Could someone tell me where this setting is ?
>>
>>Never had this complaint before so I want to check.
>>
>>
>>KenW
>
>Found the setting, which is a default usenet setting. Should I change
>it ?
>
>
>KenW

If you've made a damn fool of yourself with many of your posts, of
course you don't want the dang things showing forever. However, I
don't know if Google archives observe the X-No Archive deal anymore.

Re: X-NO-ARCHIVE

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From: ken1...@invalid.net (KenW)
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Subject: Re: X-NO-ARCHIVE
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 by: KenW - Mon, 12 Jul 2021 12:15 UTC

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 07:10:06 -0500, Merle@invalid.com wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:33:40 -0600, KenW
><ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:18:47 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Someone complained that I had this setting in a usenet post.
>>>Could someone tell me where this setting is ?
>>>
>>>Never had this complaint before so I want to check.
>>>
>>>
>>>KenW
>>
>>Found the setting, which is a default usenet setting. Should I change
>>it ?
>>
>>
>>KenW
>
>If you've made a damn fool of yourself with many of your posts, of
>course you don't want the dang things showing forever. However, I
>don't know if Google archives observe the X-No Archive deal anymore.

A FOOL ? Only people like you post your shit. fuck off This post is
for your enjoyment only

KenW

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 by: Ralph Fox - Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:49 UTC

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:33:40 -0600, KenW wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:18:47 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> Someone complained that I had this setting in a usenet post.
>> Could someone tell me where this setting is ?
>>
>> Never had this complaint before so I want to check.
>>
>>
>> KenW
>
> Found the setting, which is a default usenet setting.

It is _not_ the default to have that header line in your posts.

> Should I change it ?

Remove that line.

--
Kind regards
Ralph

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From: ken1...@invalid.net (KenW)
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 by: KenW - Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:32 UTC

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 06:49:03 +1200, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:33:40 -0600, KenW wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:18:47 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Someone complained that I had this setting in a usenet post.
>>> Could someone tell me where this setting is ?
>>>
>>> Never had this complaint before so I want to check.
>>>
>>>
>>> KenW
>>
>> Found the setting, which is a default usenet setting.
>
>It is _not_ the default to have that header line in your posts.
>
>
>> Should I change it ?
>
>Remove that line.

Thanks, but never changed it.

KenW

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 by: gfretw...@aol.com - Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:20 UTC

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 07:10:06 -0500, Merle@invalid.com wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:33:40 -0600, KenW
><ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:18:47 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Someone complained that I had this setting in a usenet post.
>>>Could someone tell me where this setting is ?
>>>
>>>Never had this complaint before so I want to check.
>>>
>>>
>>>KenW
>>
>>Found the setting, which is a default usenet setting. Should I change
>>it ?
>>
>>
>>KenW
>
>If you've made a damn fool of yourself with many of your posts, of
>course you don't want the dang things showing forever. However, I
>don't know if Google archives observe the X-No Archive deal anymore.

Google groups won't even show a No-Archive post. I guess they
acknowledge google remembers everything about everyone and they where
acting is a surprisingly magnanimous way. (Assuming they didn't mine
the data and archive it anyway, just not posting it on GG)

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 by: Mer...@invalid.com - Tue, 13 Jul 2021 01:19 UTC

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:20:34 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 07:10:06 -0500, Merle@invalid.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:33:40 -0600, KenW
>><ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:18:47 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Someone complained that I had this setting in a usenet post.
>>>>Could someone tell me where this setting is ?
>>>>
>>>>Never had this complaint before so I want to check.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>KenW
>>>
>>>Found the setting, which is a default usenet setting. Should I change
>>>it ?
>>>
>>>
>>>KenW
>>
>>If you've made a damn fool of yourself with many of your posts, of
>>course you don't want the dang things showing forever. However, I
>>don't know if Google archives observe the X-No Archive deal anymore.
>
>Google groups won't even show a No-Archive post. I guess they
>acknowledge google remembers everything about everyone and they where
>acting is a surprisingly magnanimous way. (Assuming they didn't mine
>the data and archive it anyway, just not posting it on GG)

It really p.o.d. me when Google got a hold of the deja archives. Now
you can't even use the dang archives unless you sign up for a Google
Tell-Us-All-About-Yourself account. Ridiculous.

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 by: Arthur Conan Doyle - Tue, 13 Jul 2021 02:57 UTC

KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:

>Found the setting, which is a default usenet setting. Should I change
>it ?

X-No-Archive was created primarily as a response to Google scarfing up the Deja
News posting archives and was a stupid attempt by people who didn't know
anything about how a global distributed network works to attempt to assert
control over what they posted.

Basically each Usernet server admin sets the expiration time for a given Usenet
group. Once messages reached that limit (which could be days, months or years),
the message would be deleted to save disk space. This expiration time was
different for each server.

Deja News started what turned out to be infinite expiration and Google continued
it. Some people didn't like that Google was making money off their posts, and
some didn't like the fact that embarrasing posts would have an infinite life.

They thought forcing Google to honor that flag would somehow cause messages to
disappear after a certain time, not realizing that the million other Usenet
servers/admins felt no such obligation to honor that flag.

Delete it or not, it makes no practical difference.

--
Usenet: The world's first (and best) social network.

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In Message-ID:<eovpegl98cjscf5mhnh4vdf8sog84cjo00@None>,
Arthur Conan Doyle <dont@bother.com> wrote:

>They thought forcing Google to honor that flag would somehow cause messages to
>disappear after a certain time, not realizing that the million other Usenet
>servers/admins felt no such obligation to honor that flag.

It's like how the European right to be forgotten has been
implemented. The articles aren't deleted, but Google no longer points
to them.

And, IIRC, nobody "forced" Google to honor the flag. It happened when
Google still believed in "don't be evil".

>Delete it or not, it makes no practical difference.

The practical difference is that someone doing a Google search will
fail to find your post if you have x-no-archive on, but they will
find it if you don't. Especially when asking for or offering help, it
should be off for that reason.

I have mine set to OFF except for one group (which is not a support
group like this one). But I also have it set to observe the setting
of what I'm replying to, out of politeness.

Turn it off so others can learn from your questions and answers.
Don't be evil.

--
Arthur T. - ar23hur "at" pobox "dot" com

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 by: Ralph Fox - Tue, 13 Jul 2021 09:00 UTC

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:57:43 -0500, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:

> X-No-Archive was created primarily as a response to Google scarfing up the Deja
> News posting archives and was a stupid attempt by people who didn't know
> anything about how a global distributed network works to attempt to assert
> control over what they posted.

Deja News created X-No-Archive, well before Google acquired the Deja
News posting archives in 2001.

Forte Agent 1.7 was released in 1999, before Google acquired the Deja
News posting archives. Forte Agent 1.7 has checkboxes settings for both:
(1) automatically inserting X-No-Archive, and
(2) automatically honouring X-No-Archive in followups.

Google chose to continue with Deja News' X-No-Archive.

Also see: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-No-Archive>

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Ralph

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 by: KenW - Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:51 UTC

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:00:31 +1200, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:57:43 -0500, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
>
>> X-No-Archive was created primarily as a response to Google scarfing up the Deja
>> News posting archives and was a stupid attempt by people who didn't know
>> anything about how a global distributed network works to attempt to assert
>> control over what they posted.
>
>
>Deja News created X-No-Archive, well before Google acquired the Deja
>News posting archives in 2001.
>
>Forte Agent 1.7 was released in 1999, before Google acquired the Deja
>News posting archives. Forte Agent 1.7 has checkboxes settings for both:
> (1) automatically inserting X-No-Archive, and
> (2) automatically honouring X-No-Archive in followups.
>
>Google chose to continue with Deja News' X-No-Archive.
>
>
>Also see: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-No-Archive>

Never stop learning about ??

KenW

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