On 15/04/2023 15:55, John H Reinhardt wrote:
> On 4/15/2023 8:40 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> In article <u0uqbn$1nef1$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Chris Townley  <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Can anyone suggest what sort of cheap server/workstation I could get to
>>> run this? All my modern systems are AMD
>>>
>>> I have looked at various DL380p Gen 8, but the cpus seen too old
>>
>> This is a good question... and nobody is answering it.  Has anyone had
>> experience running on the Gen 8 machines?
>
> Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated repeatedly
> that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for bare metal.
> Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated through by the VM
> hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts must be Gen 9 or
> higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..
>
> John H. Reinhardt

I have now bought an Intel NUC with a 12 series i5 CPU - currently
trying to set it up at the moment, but as yet not familiar with KVM.
Otherwise I have a Ryzen series 3 desktop that has virtualbox that I
could try, seeing that Single Stage to Orbit has it running on a
threadripper

--
Chris

John H Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org> wrote:
>On 4/15/2023 8:40 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> In article <u0uqbn$1nef1$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Can anyone suggest what sort of cheap server/workstation I could get to
>>> run this? All my modern systems are AMD
>>>
>>> I have looked at various DL380p Gen 8, but the cpus seen too old
>>
>> This is a good question... and nobody is answering it. Has anyone had
>> experience running on the Gen 8 machines?
>
>Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated repeatedly that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for bare metal. Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated through by the VM hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts must be Gen 9 or higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..

Oh no, I know folks who are running a test VM server on some junk Optiplex
that's more than a decade old, and it's slow but working. I am guessing
it's a matter of driver support if it really does require the Gen 9.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 15/04/2023 16:10, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> John H Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org> wrote:
>> On 4/15/2023 8:40 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> In article <u0uqbn$1nef1$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Can anyone suggest what sort of cheap server/workstation I could get to
>>>> run this? All my modern systems are AMD
>>>>
>>>> I have looked at various DL380p Gen 8, but the cpus seen too old
>>>
>>> This is a good question... and nobody is answering it. Has anyone had
>>> experience running on the Gen 8 machines?
>>
>> Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated repeatedly that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for bare metal. Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated through by the VM hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts must be Gen 9 or higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..
>
> Oh no, I know folks who are running a test VM server on some junk Optiplex
> that's more than a decade old, and it's slow but working. I am guessing
> it's a matter of driver support if it really does require the Gen 9.
> --scott

The advice from VSI was fairly woolly:

Most Intel CPUs from 2016 and later support these processor features

--
Chris

On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 16:05 +0100, Chris Townley wrote:
> I have now bought an Intel NUC with a 12 series i5 CPU - currently
> trying to set it up at the moment, but as yet not familiar with KVM.
> Otherwise I have a Ryzen series 3 desktop that has virtualbox that I
> could try, seeing that Single Stage to Orbit has it running on a
> threadripper

I think it will work on anything more recent than the Ryzen 1
generation. I have it working on my Ryzen 2970WX so it should
definitely work on Ryzen 2 gen.

I have now figured out how to get my packages onto OpenVMS, just
configure TCP/IP, DHCP and then the FTP server, then ftp in the
packages using the bin protocol.

THen once that's done, install the packages. I have openssh up and
running so I don't need to use telnet over tcp serial.

Only thing I can't figure out at the moment is how to get it to use the
DNS server on my router so I'm limited to using IP addresses at the
moment.

Some have said they have had issues with the DHCP client, it works fine
for me. It's jsut the issue with resolving DNS that's bugging me at the
moment.
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

On 4/15/2023 11:17 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 15/04/2023 16:10, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> John H Reinhardt  <johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org> wrote:
>>> Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated
>>> repeatedly that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for
>>> bare metal.  Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated
>>> through by the VM hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts
>>> must be Gen 9 or higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..
>>
>> Oh no, I know folks who are running a test VM server on some junk
>> Optiplex
>> that's more than a decade old, and it's slow but working.  I am guessing
>> it's a matter of driver support if it really does require the Gen 9.
>
> The advice from VSI was fairly woolly:
>
>     Most Intel CPUs from 2016 and later support these processor features

I thougth VSI recommended running vmscheck.py to verify if the
CPU will do?

Arne

On 4/15/2023 10:05 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 15/04/2023 15:55, John H Reinhardt wrote:
>> On 4/15/2023 8:40 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> In article <u0uqbn$1nef1$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Chris Townley  <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Can anyone suggest what sort of cheap server/workstation I could get to
>>>> run this? All my modern systems are AMD
>>>>
>>>> I have looked at various DL380p Gen 8, but the cpus seen too old
>>>
>>> This is a good question... and nobody is answering it.  Has anyone had
>>> experience running on the Gen 8 machines?
>>
>> Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated repeatedly that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for bare metal. Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated through by the VM hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts must be Gen 9 or higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..
>>
>> John H. Reinhardt
>
> I have now bought an Intel NUC with a 12 series i5 CPU - currently trying to set it up at the moment, but as yet not familiar with KVM.
> Otherwise I have a Ryzen series 3 desktop that has virtualbox that I could try, seeing that Single Stage to Orbit has it running on a threadripper
>

I got an Intel NUC 9 Extreme with the i9 CPU. I added 32GB RAM and 5TB of SSD. With 8 cores/16 threads I figure I can get a number of VM on it and still have pretty good performance. So far OpenVMS has been pretty snappy.

On 16/04/2023 00:02, John H Reinhardt wrote:
> On 4/15/2023 10:05 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
>> On 15/04/2023 15:55, John H Reinhardt wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2023 8:40 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> In article <u0uqbn$1nef1$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Chris Townley  <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Can anyone suggest what sort of cheap server/workstation I could
>>>>> get to
>>>>> run this? All my modern systems are AMD
>>>>>
>>>>> I have looked at various DL380p Gen 8, but the cpus seen too old
>>>>
>>>> This is a good question... and nobody is answering it.  Has anyone had
>>>> experience running on the Gen 8 machines?
>>>
>>> Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated
>>> repeatedly that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for
>>> bare metal. Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated
>>> through by the VM hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts
>>> must be Gen 9 or higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..
>>>
>>> John H. Reinhardt
>>
>> I have now bought an Intel NUC with a 12 series i5 CPU - currently
>> trying to set it up at the moment, but as yet not familiar with KVM.
>> Otherwise I have a Ryzen series 3 desktop that has virtualbox that I
>> could try, seeing that Single Stage to Orbit has it running on a
>> threadripper
>>
>
> I got an Intel NUC 9 Extreme with the i9 CPU. I added 32GB RAM and 5TB
> of SSD.  With 8 cores/16 threads I figure I can get a number of VM on it
> and still have pretty good performance.  So far OpenVMS has been pretty
> snappy.

Are you using KVM?

Haven't yet tried VMS, but setting up a Ubuntu VM (from Ubuntu) worked
fine, but as yet I cannot get access to it - so I am confused. Any
pointers would be very helpful

--
Chris

On 4/15/2023 7:32 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 16/04/2023 00:02, John H Reinhardt wrote:
>> On 4/15/2023 10:05 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2023 15:55, John H Reinhardt wrote:
>>>> On 4/15/2023 8:40 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>>> In article <u0uqbn$1nef1$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Chris Townley  <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Can anyone suggest what sort of cheap server/workstation I could get to
>>>>>> run this? All my modern systems are AMD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have looked at various DL380p Gen 8, but the cpus seen too old
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a good question... and nobody is answering it.  Has anyone had
>>>>> experience running on the Gen 8 machines?
>>>>
>>>> Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated repeatedly that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for bare metal. Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated through by the VM hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts must be Gen 9 or higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..
>>>>
>>>> John H. Reinhardt
>>>
>>> I have now bought an Intel NUC with a 12 series i5 CPU - currently trying to set it up at the moment, but as yet not familiar with KVM.
>>> Otherwise I have a Ryzen series 3 desktop that has virtualbox that I could try, seeing that Single Stage to Orbit has it running on a threadripper
>>>
>>
>> I got an Intel NUC 9 Extreme with the i9 CPU. I added 32GB RAM and 5TB of SSD.  With 8 cores/16 threads I figure I can get a number of VM on it and still have pretty good performance.  So far OpenVMS has been pretty snappy.
>
> Are you using KVM?
>
> Haven't yet tried VMS, but setting up a Ubuntu VM (from Ubuntu) worked fine, but as yet I cannot get access to it - so I am confused. Any pointers would be very helpful
>

Sorry, no. I am using VMware ESXI V7.0u3 I'm not familiar with KVM networking, but if you're using a network bridge/switch in the Virtual host and you have the option, you might need to enable promiscuous mode and maybe MAC changes. I did on ESXi

On 16/04/2023 01:43, John H Reinhardt wrote:
> On 4/15/2023 7:32 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
>> On 16/04/2023 00:02, John H Reinhardt wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2023 10:05 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
>>>> On 15/04/2023 15:55, John H Reinhardt wrote:
>>>>> On 4/15/2023 8:40 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>>>> In article <u0uqbn$1nef1$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> Chris Townley  <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> Can anyone suggest what sort of cheap server/workstation I could
>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>> run this? All my modern systems are AMD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have looked at various DL380p Gen 8, but the cpus seen too old
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a good question... and nobody is answering it.  Has anyone
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> experience running on the Gen 8 machines?
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated
>>>>> repeatedly that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for
>>>>> bare metal. Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated
>>>>> through by the VM hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts
>>>>> must be Gen 9 or higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..
>>>>>
>>>>> John H. Reinhardt
>>>>
>>>> I have now bought an Intel NUC with a 12 series i5 CPU - currently
>>>> trying to set it up at the moment, but as yet not familiar with KVM.
>>>> Otherwise I have a Ryzen series 3 desktop that has virtualbox that I
>>>> could try, seeing that Single Stage to Orbit has it running on a
>>>> threadripper
>>>>
>>>
>>> I got an Intel NUC 9 Extreme with the i9 CPU. I added 32GB RAM and
>>> 5TB of SSD.  With 8 cores/16 threads I figure I can get a number of
>>> VM on it and still have pretty good performance.  So far OpenVMS has
>>> been pretty snappy.
>>
>> Are you using KVM?
>>
>> Haven't yet tried VMS, but setting up a Ubuntu VM (from Ubuntu) worked
>> fine, but as yet I cannot get access to it - so I am confused. Any
>> pointers would be very helpful
>>
>
> Sorry, no. I am using VMware ESXI V7.0u3    I'm not familiar with KVM
> networking, but if you're using a network bridge/switch in the Virtual
> host and you have the option, you might need to enable promiscuous mode
> and maybe MAC changes.  I did on ESXi

Thanks - I will take a loo in the morning

--
Chris

On 4/15/23 1:07 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 4/15/2023 11:17 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
>> On 15/04/2023 16:10, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> John H Reinhardt  <johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org> wrote:
>>>> Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated
>>>> repeatedly that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for
>>>> bare metal.  Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated
>>>> through by the VM hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts
>>>> must be Gen 9 or higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..
>>>
>>> Oh no, I know folks who are running a test VM server on some junk
>>> Optiplex
>>> that's more than a decade old, and it's slow but working.  I am guessing
>>> it's a matter of driver support if it really does require the Gen 9.
>>
>> The advice from VSI was fairly woolly:
>>
>>      Most Intel CPUs from 2016 and later support these processor features
>
> I thougth VSI recommended running vmscheck.py to verify if the
> CPU will do?

I do not believe the issue is CPU related. My understanding is that it
is only Gen 9 and later that use UEFI. Previous generations are
apparently BIOS based. VMS requires UEFI.

Mark Berryman

John H Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org> wrote:
>
>I got an Intel NUC 9 Extreme with the i9 CPU. I added 32GB RAM and 5TB of SSD. With 8 cores/16 threads I figure I can get a number of VM on it and still have pretty good performance. So far OpenVMS has been pretty snappy.

That's fine, but VMS will not run on the bare metal on such a machine, which
was the original poster's question. What is the least expensive supported
system on which it will reliably run on the bare metal?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 4/15/2023 10:56 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> John H Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org> wrote:
>>
>> I got an Intel NUC 9 Extreme with the i9 CPU. I added 32GB RAM and 5TB of SSD. With 8 cores/16 threads I figure I can get a number of VM on it and still have pretty good performance. So far OpenVMS has been pretty snappy.
>
> That's fine, but VMS will not run on the bare metal on such a machine, which
> was the original poster's question. What is the least expensive supported
> system on which it will reliably run on the bare metal?
> --scott

I was replying to Chris Townley message in which he mentioned buying an Intel NUC 12.

The answer to your question is none since as of the moment, it's not supported nor able to run on bare metal anything. The only drivers are for virtualized devices and hosts.

John H. Reinhardt

John H Reinhardt schrieb am Sonntag, 16. April 2023 um 06:33:01 UTC+2:

> The answer to your question is none since as of the moment, it's not supported nor able to run on bare metal anything. The only drivers are for virtualized devices and hosts.

There is a report over in the VSI Forum of a success story running VSI OpenVMS x86-64 E9.2-1 on baremetal:

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8621

And that forum is currently very busy with posts relating to OpenVMS x86-64 ;-)

Volker.

On Sunday, 16 April 2023 at 04:19:03 UTC+1, Mark Berryman wrote:
> On 4/15/23 1:07 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > On 4/15/2023 11:17 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
> >> On 15/04/2023 16:10, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> >>> John H Reinhardt <johnhre...@thereinhardts.org> wrote:
> >>>> Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated
> >>>> repeatedly that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for
> >>>> bare metal. Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated
> >>>> through by the VM hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts
> >>>> must be Gen 9 or higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..
> >>>
> >>> Oh no, I know folks who are running a test VM server on some junk
> >>> Optiplex
> >>> that's more than a decade old, and it's slow but working. I am guessing
> >>> it's a matter of driver support if it really does require the Gen 9.
> >>
> >> The advice from VSI was fairly woolly:
> >>
> >> Most Intel CPUs from 2016 and later support these processor features
> >
> > I thougth VSI recommended running vmscheck.py to verify if the
> > CPU will do?
> I do not believe the issue is CPU related. My understanding is that it
> is only Gen 9 and later that use UEFI. Previous generations are
> apparently BIOS based. VMS requires UEFI.

In that case I should think you could run it on earlier than Gen 9, albeit via Qemu + KVM, where the virtual machine is configured to use OVMF bios (TianoCore UEFI port).

Interesting also to see someone has had bare metal success with an Asus mainboard. Has me wondering how much effort would be involved in porting the AMDgpu open source driver, plus others as required, to get OpenVMS up and running on a modern laptop.

Andrew

On 4/15/2023 11:18 PM, Mark Berryman wrote:
> On 4/15/23 1:07 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 4/15/2023 11:17 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2023 16:10, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> John H Reinhardt  <johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org> wrote:
>>>>> Robert Brooks and others (I think) have in past times stated
>>>>> repeatedly that a Gen 9 or later HP Proliant will be required for
>>>>> bare metal.  Since the CPU characteristics are usually propagated
>>>>> through by the VM hypervisor, that would seem to mean that VM Hosts
>>>>> must be Gen 9 or higher as well, but I'm just guessing at that..
>>>>
>>>> Oh no, I know folks who are running a test VM server on some junk
>>>> Optiplex
>>>> that's more than a decade old, and it's slow but working.  I am
>>>> guessing
>>>> it's a matter of driver support if it really does require the Gen 9.
>>>
>>> The advice from VSI was fairly woolly:
>>>
>>>      Most Intel CPUs from 2016 and later support these processor
>>> features
>>
>> I thougth VSI recommended running vmscheck.py to verify if the
>> CPU will do?
>
> I do not believe the issue is CPU related.  My understanding is that it
> is only Gen 9 and later that use UEFI.  Previous generations are
> apparently BIOS based.  VMS requires UEFI.

Ah.

(I am pretty far away from HW these days)

So VMS need a CPU that can pass vmscheck.py and UEFI
to boot.

UEFI obviously apply to bare metal.

But what about VM's? Can the VM SW provide UEFI
capability on non-UEFI HW? And any difference
between type 1 and type 2 hypervisors?

Arne

Andrew Back <andrew@carrierdetect.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, 16 April 2023 at 04:19:03 UTC+1, Mark Berryman wrote:
>> I do not believe the issue is CPU related. My understanding is that it=20
>> is only Gen 9 and later that use UEFI. Previous generations are=20
>> apparently BIOS based. VMS requires UEFI.=20
>
>In that case I should think you could run it on earlier than Gen 9, albeit =
>via Qemu + KVM, where the virtual machine is configured to use OVMF bios (T=
>ianoCore UEFI port).

Yes. As I pointed out, it's possible to run it under a VM on some pretty
slow and obsolete hardware, so the issues with running on bare metal have
nothing to do with CPU demands but the boot process and the device drivers.

>Interesting also to see someone has had bare metal success with an Asus mai=
>nboard. Has me wondering how much effort would be involved in porting the A=
>MDgpu open source driver, plus others as required, to get OpenVMS up and ru=
>nning on a modern laptop.

You need to provide device drivers for all the disk controllers, for the USB
controller, for the wifi controller, for the ethernet controller, and in the
case of the laptop there's a bunch of stuff for power management that is very
problematic. The laptop is EXACTLY the sort of application where
virtualization is a clear win.

Right now I am thinking the primary limitations for support have to do with
VSI supplying only the drivers for the devices available with the Gen 9 server
and for a few virtual devices. With more drivers and a little bit of sysgen
stuff, I am sure it would be possible to run it on the bare metal of other
machines... but the number of different ethernet chipsets alone makes for
difficulties in supporting a wide number of machines. This is how the PC
world is.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 4/16/2023 11:06 AM, fsword007@gmail.com wrote:
> Many modern CPU processors has more then 6 cores. Does it affect VMS
> clusters? Mine has 12 cores (i7-8700K).
>
> Tim
>

Yes. If you form a VMSCluster with more than one X86 system in the cluster the max cores can be 6 for all x86 members. You can still have non-VMSCluster member x86 systems with up to 6 cores each. I assume it probably also means threads if the CPU Hyperthreads - so perhaps 3 CPU cores/6 Threads? Not sure about that.

John H. Reinhardt

On 4/16/2023 3:12 PM, John H Reinhardt wrote:
> On 4/16/2023 11:06 AM, fsword007@gmail.com wrote:
>> Many modern CPU processors has more then 6 cores.  Does it affect VMS
>> clusters?  Mine has 12 cores (i7-8700K).
>
> Yes.  If you form a VMSCluster with more than one X86 system in the
> cluster the max cores can be 6 for all x86 members.  You can still have
> non-VMSCluster member x86 systems with up to 6 cores each.  I assume it
> probably also means threads if the CPU Hyperthreads - so perhaps 3 CPU
> cores/6 Threads?  Not sure about that.

Which again points to VM's over physical machines.

With a VM you should be able to just allocate the 6 VCPU
for a single node or 3 nodes of 2 VCPU for a cluster or whatever
from the physical machines whether it got 12 or 24
or even higher.

Arne

On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 12:06 -0400, fsword007@gmail.com wrote:
> Many modern CPU processors has more then 6 cores.  Does it affect VMS
> clusters?  Mine has 12 cores (i7-8700K).

I can confirm mine has 8 logical codes assigned to the OpenVMS VM. It
boots up and sees all 8. I think I could add even more if I wanted to.
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 10:51 -0500, John H Reinhardt wrote:
> > There is a report over in the VSI Forum of a success story running
> > VSI OpenVMS x86-64 E9.2-1 on baremetal:
> >
> > https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8621
> >
> > And that forum is currently very busy with posts relating to
> > OpenVMS x86-64 ;-)
> >
> > Volker.
>
> Thanks Volker! I had missed that.  Looks like it was posted about 15
> minutes before I did here.  Of course, Scot asked for "supported" and
> we know what that means. ;) I did a quick Google search and that
> ASRock motherboard looks to be about 8 years old and out of stock
> most places.  Used on Ebay for prices between $150 and $500.  Could
> be an interesting experiment.  Have to watch the # of cores in the
> CPU you use as the VSI license only allows 6.

I've had the exact same motherboard years ago. Beware they tend to
develop faults.

There are other X99 motherboards out there that can do the same job
just as well.

I am now using an AMD X399 motherboard with the 2xxxx series
threadripper processor. They work pretty nicely and supports ECC RAM.
These processors are an absolute bargain secondhand wise but not for
X399 motherboards, very few out out there and bloody expensive.
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

On 4/16/2023 3:12 PM, John H Reinhardt wrote:
> On 4/16/2023 11:06 AM, fsword007@gmail.com wrote:
>> Many modern CPU processors has more then 6 cores.  Does it affect VMS
>> clusters?  Mine has 12 cores (i7-8700K).
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
> Yes.  If you form a VMSCluster with more than one X86 system in the cluster the
> max cores can be 6 for all x86 members.  You can still have non-VMSCluster
> member x86 systems with up to 6 cores each.  I assume it probably also means
> threads if the CPU Hyperthreads - so perhaps 3 CPU cores/6 Threads?  Not sure
> about that.

Note that John must be talking about some licensing limitation with the
community licenses. (I've never used the community license).

In general, there is no limitation between the number of members in a cluster
and the number of CPU's for a member

--

--- Rob

On 4/16/2023 4:24 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
> On 4/16/2023 3:12 PM, John H Reinhardt wrote:
>> On 4/16/2023 11:06 AM, fsword007@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Many modern CPU processors has more then 6 cores.  Does it affect VMS
>>> clusters?  Mine has 12 cores (i7-8700K).
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>
>> Yes.  If you form a VMSCluster with more than one X86 system in the cluster the max cores can be 6 for all x86 members.  You can still have non-VMSCluster member x86 systems with up to 6 cores each.  I assume it probably also means threads if the CPU Hyperthreads - so perhaps 3 CPU cores/6 Threads?  Not sure about that.
>
>
> Note that John must be talking about some licensing limitation with the community licenses.  (I've never used the community license).
>
> In general, there is no limitation between the number of members in a cluster and the number of CPU's for a member
>

Hi Robert!

Yes, talking about the CLP. It's limited to 6 units of PCL (Per Core? or Processor Core? Licensing)

John H. Reinhardt

On 4/16/2023 3:37 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
> On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 12:06 -0400, fsword007@gmail.com wrote:
>> Many modern CPU processors has more then 6 cores.  Does it affect VMS
>> clusters?  Mine has 12 cores (i7-8700K).
>
> I can confirm mine has 8 logical codes assigned to the OpenVMS VM. It
> boots up and sees all 8. I think I could add even more if I wanted to.

How many license units does it use? My virtual machine with 4 vCPU used 4 of the 6 available.

$ show lice/unit
This is an VMware, Inc. VMware7,1, with 4 cores active
Type: PCL, Units Required: 4 (X86_64 Per Core)
$ $ show lice/usage

View of loaded licenses from node SCALZI 16-APR-2023 16:31:05.07

------- Product ID -------- ---- Unit usage information ----------------
Product Producer Loaded Allocated Available Compliance
ABS-CLIENT-X86 VSI 6 4 2 Yes
ABS-SERVER-X86 VSI 6 4 2 Yes
ACMS VSI 6 4 2 Yes

*snip*

John H. Reinhardt

On 4/16/2023 4:37 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
> On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 12:06 -0400, fsword007@gmail.com wrote:
>> Many modern CPU processors has more then 6 cores. Does it affect VMS
>> clusters? Mine has 12 cores (i7-8700K).
>
> I can confirm mine has 8 logical codes assigned to the OpenVMS VM. It
> boots up and sees all 8. I think I could add even more if I wanted to.
>

Would not the CPUs assigned to the VM have not much to do with how many CPUs are
assigned to VMS?

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On 17/04/2023 00:32, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 4/16/2023 4:37 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
>> On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 12:06 -0400, fsword007@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Many modern CPU processors has more then 6 cores.  Does it affect VMS
>>> clusters?  Mine has 12 cores (i7-8700K).
>>
>> I can confirm mine has 8 logical codes assigned to the OpenVMS VM. It
>> boots up and sees all 8. I think I could add even more if I wanted to.
>>
>
> Would not the CPUs assigned to the VM have not much to do with how many
> CPUs are assigned to VMS?
>

The VM is VMS, so it is a direct relationship
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Chris