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Silly with VMS access via SSH

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From: new...@cct-net.co.uk (Chris Townley)
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Subject: Silly with VMS access via SSH
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by: Chris Townley - Tue, 23 May 2023 21:54 UTC

Just a silly that I have ignored for years. It was the same with the
setup for work, and is still present with 9.2-1, and now bugs me!

I have both sys$announce and sys$welcome logicals defined:

$ sho lo sys$announce, sys$welcome
"SYS$ANNOUNCE" = "@SYS$MANAGER:ANNOUNCE.TXT" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)

"SYS$WELCOME" = "@SYS$MANAGER:WELCOME.TXT" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)

Both files exist, but when I login using SSH, I get the welcome.txt
displayed when I login, but before I do, I get:

Using username "townleyc".
Pre-authentication banner message from server:
| | @SYS$MANAGER:ANNOUNCE.TXT
End of banner message from server
Authenticating with public key "XXXXXXXXX@XXXXXX"

followed by the text in welcome.txt

If I set host from another node, or with set host 0 both are displayed
as usual

Both files exist, and have w:re protection

How can I get SSH to display ANNOUNCE.TXT ?

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Chris

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Subject: Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH
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by: Steven Schweda - Wed, 24 May 2023 02:24 UTC

> How can I get SSH to display ANNOUNCE.TXT ?

Wait for the fix? A report on the VSI forum might not hurt.

I believe that I reported this (among other things) about a year ago
for the E9.2 field test:

https://sp.vmssoftware.com/#/org/issues/sps-636

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by: Jan-Erik Söderholm - Wed, 24 May 2023 07:41 UTC

Den 2023-05-24 kl. 04:24, skrev Steven Schweda:
>> How can I get SSH to display ANNOUNCE.TXT ?
>
> Wait for the fix? A report on the VSI forum might not hurt.
>
> I believe that I reported this (among other things) about a year ago
> for the E9.2 field test:
>
> https://sp.vmssoftware.com/#/org/issues/sps-636

Just FYI...

"Sorry, this page isn't available
The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed."

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From: craigbe...@nospam.mac.com (Craig A. Berry)
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Subject: Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH
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by: Craig A. Berry - Wed, 24 May 2023 10:32 UTC

On 5/24/23 2:41 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2023-05-24 kl. 04:24, skrev Steven Schweda:
>>> How can I get SSH to display ANNOUNCE.TXT ?
>>
>>     Wait for the fix? A report on the VSI forum might not hurt.
>>
>>     I believe that I reported this (among other things) about a year ago
>> for the E9.2 field test:
>>
>>        https://sp.vmssoftware.com/#/org/issues/sps-636
>
> Just FYI...
>
> "Sorry, this page isn't available
> The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed."

For me, the 404 error is preceded by a 401 (unauthorized) error. Most
likely support tickets are only visible to those who created them and to
VSI staff, so sharing a link doesn't do much good.

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Subject: Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH
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by: Chris Townley - Wed, 24 May 2023 11:21 UTC

On 24/05/2023 03:24, Steven Schweda wrote:
>> How can I get SSH to display ANNOUNCE.TXT ?
>
> Wait for the fix? A report on the VSI forum might not hurt.
>
> I believe that I reported this (among other things) about a year ago
> for the E9.2 field test:
>
> https://sp.vmssoftware.com/#/org/issues/sps-636

I don't think this is new. I an fairly sure it happened on IA64 wit HPE
V8 with TCP/IP Services many years ago. I doesn't happen on AXP V8.4-2L1
with Process Software TCPWare

I always felt it was something I hadn't correctly setup, rather than a bug

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by: Steven Schweda - Wed, 24 May 2023 11:26 UTC

> [...] sharing a link doesn't do much good.

I suppose. It does include the ID, "sps-636", which might be of some
interest to someone at VSI when you report the problem there. Other
complaints there were:

"1 failure since last successful login" (plus OPCOM "Security
alarm" message, and so on) when publickey fails before password
succeeds.

Too much info from "show proc /parse": "Soft CPU Affinity: off".
(Fixed in E9.2-1.)

'ssh -V' must be 'ssh -"V"', even with with "Parse Style:
Extended".

Field-test software can be very entertaining.

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Subject: Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH
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by: Simon Clubley - Wed, 24 May 2023 17:22 UTC

On 2023-05-24, Brian Schenkenberger <mail@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:
> Process SSH for VMS will display your SYS$ANNOUNCE/SYSWELCOME.
> However, if there are any esape sequences in those messages, they are
> not interpreted and display as \033[xxxx which is a bit disappointing.
>

If that is deliberate and not an oversight, then well done to whoever
thought of that.

Do they also block Ctrl-E (and any other non-printable characters) ?

Simon.

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Subject: Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH
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by: Jilly - Tue, 30 May 2023 15:11 UTC

Looks like this has been a known restriction for a long time with SSH. Maybe
a workaround using SSH_BANNER_MESSAGE will suffice.

In article <u4jcm2$2gt09$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk>
wrote:
>Just a silly that I have ignored for years. It was the same with the
>setup for work, and is still present with 9.2-1, and now bugs me!
>
>I have both sys$announce and sys$welcome logicals defined:
>
>$ sho lo sys$announce, sys$welcome
> "SYS$ANNOUNCE" = "@SYS$MANAGER:ANNOUNCE.TXT" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
>
> "SYS$WELCOME" = "@SYS$MANAGER:WELCOME.TXT" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
>
>Both files exist, but when I login using SSH, I get the welcome.txt
>displayed when I login, but before I do, I get:
>
>Using username "townleyc".
>Pre-authentication banner message from server:
>|
>| @SYS$MANAGER:ANNOUNCE.TXT
>End of banner message from server
>Authenticating with public key "XXXXXXXXX@XXXXXX"
>
>followed by the text in welcome.txt
>
>If I set host from another node, or with set host 0 both are displayed
>as usual
>
>Both files exist, and have w:re protection
>
>How can I get SSH to display ANNOUNCE.TXT ?
>

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Subject	Author
Silly with VMS access via SSH	Chris Townley
Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH	Steven Schweda
Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH	Jan-Erik Söderholm
Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH	Craig A. Berry
Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH	Steven Schweda
Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH	Chris Townley
Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH	Brian Schenkenberger
Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH	Simon Clubley
Re: Silly with VMS access via SSH	Jilly