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* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayWally J
+* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the waybadgolferman
|+* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan
||+* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the waybadgolferman
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|| `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayWally J
||  +* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayJolly Roger
||  |`* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayWally J
||  | `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan
||  |  `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan Browne
||  |   +* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayDorper
||  |   |+- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayJolly Roger
||  |   |+- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan Browne
||  |   |`* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayWally J
||  |   | +* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan
||  |   | |`- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayFrankie
||  |   | +- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayWally J
||  |   | `- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayJolly Roger
||  |   `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayWally J
||  |    `- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan
||  `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the waycandycanearter07
||   +- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayJolly Roger
||   `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayWally J
||    +* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the waycandycanearter07
||    |`- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan
||    `- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayDorper
|+* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the waycandycanearter07
||+- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan
||`* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayYour Name
|| +* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the waybadgolferman
|| |+- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan
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|| ||   `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan Browne
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|| ||    ||`* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayFrankie
|| ||    || +* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan Browne
|| ||    || |+- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayJolly Roger
|| ||    || |`* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayFrankie
|| ||    || | +- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayJolly Roger
|| ||    || | `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan Browne
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|| ||    || |   `- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan Browne
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|| ||    ||  `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayFrankie
|| ||    ||   `- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayJolly Roger
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|| ||    |  `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayJolly Roger
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|| |`* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the waysms
|| | `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan Browne
|| |  +* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan Browne
|| |  |`- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the way -modWally J
|| |  `- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayJolly Roger
|| +* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the waycandycanearter07
|| |+- Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayAlan
|| |+* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayYour Name
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|| ||    | ||`* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayWolf Greenblatt
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|| ||    | | `* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayOscar Mayer
|| ||    | |  +* Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the wayYour Name
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Re: Apple confirms iOS 17 fix for overheating iPhones is on the way

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 by: Wally J - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 19:49 UTC

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote

> The vague description of the problem will lead to a vague description of
> the solution.
>
> iOS 17 has been installed on my work iPhone 11 and I haven�t noticed any
> problems, but then I only use Outlook to view email.
>
> iOS 16.7 has been installed on my personal iPhone 14 and I will hold out
> for the vague solution to be released.

Hi badgolferman,

If we use our adult cognitive skills and our well-remembered history of
what Apple does to cleverly hide their (repeated) lack of testing...

*A pattern emerges*

Do you see the pattern?
I do.

What's patently obvious to any adult is Apple forgot to test this latest
device in the real world (which includes Instagram & iOS 17 for example).

Right?
That's a fact as had they tested it, this never would have happened.

So we have to agree - as adults - Apple didn't sufficiently test it.
That pattern has already been well established with Apple products.

Need I elaborate?
I hope not.

Now to the blame game that Apple _always_ plays.
*You're holding it wrong* and "The batteries that made me do it*.

It's a pattern with Apple to blame everyone but Apple, right?
Well lookey' here.

Apple just blamed a dozen (or so) entities for the problem, right?

Now, here's the adult question to ask of you (or anyone else)...
*How many of those entities that Apple blamed - did not exist prior?*

The answer is zero, right?
Right?

Every single entity that Apple blamed existed _prior_ to the release!
That's just a fact.

This means the real problem is as simple as what I've proven for years.
*Apple forgot to sufficiently test their design before releasing it*

It's really that simple, is it not?
Do you agree?

Or disagree?
Why or why not?

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 by: badgolferman - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:07 UTC

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> The vague description of the problem will lead to a vague description of
>> the solution.
>>
>> iOS 17 has been installed on my work iPhone 11 and I havenąt noticed any
>> problems, but then I only use Outlook to view email.
>>
>> iOS 16.7 has been installed on my personal iPhone 14 and I will hold out
>> for the vague solution to be released.
>
> Hi badgolferman,
>
> If we use our adult cognitive skills and our well-remembered history of
> what Apple does to cleverly hide their (repeated) lack of testing...
>
> *A pattern emerges*
>
> Do you see the pattern?
> I do.
>
> What's patently obvious to any adult is Apple forgot to test this latest
> device in the real world (which includes Instagram & iOS 17 for example).
>
> Right?
> That's a fact as had they tested it, this never would have happened.
>
> So we have to agree - as adults - Apple didn't sufficiently test it.
> That pattern has already been well established with Apple products.
>
> Need I elaborate?
> I hope not.
>
> Now to the blame game that Apple _always_ plays.
> *You're holding it wrong* and "The batteries that made me do it*.
>
> It's a pattern with Apple to blame everyone but Apple, right?
> Well lookey' here.
>
> Apple just blamed a dozen (or so) entities for the problem, right?
>
> Now, here's the adult question to ask of you (or anyone else)...
> *How many of those entities that Apple blamed - did not exist prior?*
>
> The answer is zero, right?
> Right?
>
> Every single entity that Apple blamed existed _prior_ to the release!
> That's just a fact.
>
> This means the real problem is as simple as what I've proven for years.
> *Apple forgot to sufficiently test their design before releasing it*
>
> It's really that simple, is it not?
> Do you agree?
>
> Or disagree?
> Why or why not?
>

Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s not like
anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a bug. The only way
most people would drop Apple is if they started losing trust in them…

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 by: Alan - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:24 UTC

On 2023-09-30 13:07, badgolferman wrote:
> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> The vague description of the problem will lead to a vague description of
>>> the solution.
>>>
>>> iOS 17 has been installed on my work iPhone 11 and I havenąt noticed any
>>> problems, but then I only use Outlook to view email.
>>>
>>> iOS 16.7 has been installed on my personal iPhone 14 and I will hold out
>>> for the vague solution to be released.
>>
>> Hi badgolferman,
>>
>> If we use our adult cognitive skills and our well-remembered history of
>> what Apple does to cleverly hide their (repeated) lack of testing...
>>
>> *A pattern emerges*
>>
>> Do you see the pattern?
>> I do.
>>
>> What's patently obvious to any adult is Apple forgot to test this latest
>> device in the real world (which includes Instagram & iOS 17 for example).
>>
>> Right?
>> That's a fact as had they tested it, this never would have happened.
>>
>> So we have to agree - as adults - Apple didn't sufficiently test it.
>> That pattern has already been well established with Apple products.
>>
>> Need I elaborate?
>> I hope not.
>>
>> Now to the blame game that Apple _always_ plays.
>> *You're holding it wrong* and "The batteries that made me do it*.
>>
>> It's a pattern with Apple to blame everyone but Apple, right?
>> Well lookey' here.
>>
>> Apple just blamed a dozen (or so) entities for the problem, right?
>>
>> Now, here's the adult question to ask of you (or anyone else)...
>> *How many of those entities that Apple blamed - did not exist prior?*
>>
>> The answer is zero, right?
>> Right?
>>
>> Every single entity that Apple blamed existed _prior_ to the release!
>> That's just a fact.
>>
>> This means the real problem is as simple as what I've proven for years.
>> *Apple forgot to sufficiently test their design before releasing it*
>>
>> It's really that simple, is it not?
>> Do you agree?
>>
>> Or disagree?
>> Why or why not?
>>
>
> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
> there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s not like
> anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a bug. The only way
> most people would drop Apple is if they started losing trust in them…
>

You have it precisely backwards.

It is because there are "millions of people" using their iPhones in
millions of different ways that there is no possible way that Apple
could test for all possible problems.

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 by: candycanearter07 - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:27 UTC

On 9/30/23 14:49, Wally J wrote:
> It's really that simple, is it not?
> Do you agree?
>
> Or disagree?
> Why or why not?

Agreed, this does happen a lot.
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 by: candycanearter07 - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:28 UTC

On 9/30/23 15:07, badgolferman wrote:
> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> It's really that simple, is it not?
>> Do you agree?
>>
>> Or disagree?
>> Why or why not?
>>
>
> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
> there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s not like
> anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a bug. The only way
> most people would drop Apple is if they started losing trust in them…
>

Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship now,
fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
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 by: Alan - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:29 UTC

On 2023-09-30 13:27, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/30/23 14:49, Wally J wrote:
>> It's really that simple, is it not?
>> Do you agree?
>>
>> Or disagree?
>> Why or why not?
>
> Agreed, this does happen a lot.

Or the media is incredibly focused on Apple because it makes for great
headlines.

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 by: Alan - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:44 UTC

On 2023-09-30 13:28, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/30/23 15:07, badgolferman wrote:
>> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> It's really that simple, is it not?
>>> Do you agree?
>>>
>>> Or disagree?
>>> Why or why not?
>>>
>>
>> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
>> there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s not like
>> anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a bug. The only
>> way
>> most people would drop Apple is if they started losing trust in them…
>>
>
> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship now,
> fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.

Except you have yet to demonstrate that any significant fraction of the
"millions of people" have been impacted by this issue.

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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-09-30 13:07, badgolferman wrote:
>> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> The vague description of the problem will lead to a vague description of
>>>> the solution.
>>>>
>>>> iOS 17 has been installed on my work iPhone 11 and I havenąt noticed any
>>>> problems, but then I only use Outlook to view email.
>>>>
>>>> iOS 16.7 has been installed on my personal iPhone 14 and I will hold out
>>>> for the vague solution to be released.
>>>
>>> Hi badgolferman,
>>>
>>> If we use our adult cognitive skills and our well-remembered history of
>>> what Apple does to cleverly hide their (repeated) lack of testing...
>>>
>>> *A pattern emerges*
>>>
>>> Do you see the pattern?
>>> I do.
>>>
>>> What's patently obvious to any adult is Apple forgot to test this latest
>>> device in the real world (which includes Instagram & iOS 17 for example).
>>>
>>> Right?
>>> That's a fact as had they tested it, this never would have happened.
>>>
>>> So we have to agree - as adults - Apple didn't sufficiently test it.
>>> That pattern has already been well established with Apple products.
>>>
>>> Need I elaborate?
>>> I hope not.
>>>
>>> Now to the blame game that Apple _always_ plays.
>>> *You're holding it wrong* and "The batteries that made me do it*.
>>>
>>> It's a pattern with Apple to blame everyone but Apple, right?
>>> Well lookey' here.
>>>
>>> Apple just blamed a dozen (or so) entities for the problem, right?
>>>
>>> Now, here's the adult question to ask of you (or anyone else)...
>>> *How many of those entities that Apple blamed - did not exist prior?*
>>>
>>> The answer is zero, right?
>>> Right?
>>>
>>> Every single entity that Apple blamed existed _prior_ to the release!
>>> That's just a fact.
>>>
>>> This means the real problem is as simple as what I've proven for years.
>>> *Apple forgot to sufficiently test their design before releasing it*
>>>
>>> It's really that simple, is it not?
>>> Do you agree?
>>>
>>> Or disagree?
>>> Why or why not?
>>>
>>
>> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
>> there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s not like
>> anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a bug. The only way
>> most people would drop Apple is if they started losing trust in them…
>>
>
> You have it precisely backwards.
>
> It is because there are "millions of people" using their iPhones in
> millions of different ways that there is no possible way that Apple
> could test for all possible problems.
>

Thank you for admitting out loud Apple doesn’t test their software.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:51 UTC

On 2023-09-30, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-09-30 13:07, badgolferman wrote:
>>
>> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software
>> when there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s
>> not like anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a
>> bug. The only way most people would drop Apple is if they started
>> losing trust in them…
>
> You have it precisely backwards.
>
> It is because there are "millions of people" using their iPhones in
> millions of different ways that there is no possible way that Apple
> could test for all possible problems.

It's very obvious neither badgolferman or Arlen (Wally) have ever worked
professionally in a software team in charge of deploying software to
massive numbers of heterogeneous clients.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:54 UTC

On 2023-09-30, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software
>>> when there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s
>>> not like anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a
>>> bug. The only way most people would drop Apple is if they started
>>> losing trust in them…
>>
>> You have it precisely backwards.
>>
>> It is because there are "millions of people" using their iPhones in
>> millions of different ways that there is no possible way that Apple
>> could test for all possible problems.
>
> Thank you for admitting out loud Apple doesn’t test their software.

He very clearly didn't say they don't test.

Your trolls are weak.

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On 2023-09-30 13:46, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-09-30 13:07, badgolferman wrote:
>>> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> The vague description of the problem will lead to a vague description of
>>>>> the solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> iOS 17 has been installed on my work iPhone 11 and I havenąt noticed any
>>>>> problems, but then I only use Outlook to view email.
>>>>>
>>>>> iOS 16.7 has been installed on my personal iPhone 14 and I will hold out
>>>>> for the vague solution to be released.
>>>>
>>>> Hi badgolferman,
>>>>
>>>> If we use our adult cognitive skills and our well-remembered history of
>>>> what Apple does to cleverly hide their (repeated) lack of testing...
>>>>
>>>> *A pattern emerges*
>>>>
>>>> Do you see the pattern?
>>>> I do.
>>>>
>>>> What's patently obvious to any adult is Apple forgot to test this latest
>>>> device in the real world (which includes Instagram & iOS 17 for example).
>>>>
>>>> Right?
>>>> That's a fact as had they tested it, this never would have happened.
>>>>
>>>> So we have to agree - as adults - Apple didn't sufficiently test it.
>>>> That pattern has already been well established with Apple products.
>>>>
>>>> Need I elaborate?
>>>> I hope not.
>>>>
>>>> Now to the blame game that Apple _always_ plays.
>>>> *You're holding it wrong* and "The batteries that made me do it*.
>>>>
>>>> It's a pattern with Apple to blame everyone but Apple, right?
>>>> Well lookey' here.
>>>>
>>>> Apple just blamed a dozen (or so) entities for the problem, right?
>>>>
>>>> Now, here's the adult question to ask of you (or anyone else)...
>>>> *How many of those entities that Apple blamed - did not exist prior?*
>>>>
>>>> The answer is zero, right?
>>>> Right?
>>>>
>>>> Every single entity that Apple blamed existed _prior_ to the release!
>>>> That's just a fact.
>>>>
>>>> This means the real problem is as simple as what I've proven for years.
>>>> *Apple forgot to sufficiently test their design before releasing it*
>>>>
>>>> It's really that simple, is it not?
>>>> Do you agree?
>>>>
>>>> Or disagree?
>>>> Why or why not?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
>>> there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s not like
>>> anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a bug. The only way
>>> most people would drop Apple is if they started losing trust in them…
>>>
>>
>> You have it precisely backwards.
>>
>> It is because there are "millions of people" using their iPhones in
>> millions of different ways that there is no possible way that Apple
>> could test for all possible problems.
>>
>
> Thank you for admitting out loud Apple doesn’t test their software.
>

I didn't say anything like that.

You're either a liar, or your an idiot...

....and that's not a XOR.

:-)

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On 2023-09-30 20:28:41 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
> On 9/30/23 15:07, badgolferman wrote:
>> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> It's really that simple, is it not?
>>> Do you agree?
>>>
>>> Or disagree?
>>> Why or why not?
>>
>> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
>> there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s not like
>> anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a bug. The only way
>> most people would drop Apple is if they started losing trust in them…
>>
>
> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship now,
> fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.

No computer company on the planet does, nor can, terst their devices
against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.

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 by: badgolferman - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 23:33 UTC

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2023-09-30 20:28:41 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
>> On 9/30/23 15:07, badgolferman wrote:
>>> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>> It's really that simple, is it not?
>>>> Do you agree?
>>>>
>>>> Or disagree?
>>>> Why or why not?
>>>
>>> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
>>> there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s not like
>>> anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a bug. The only way
>>> most people would drop Apple is if they started losing trust in them…
>>>
>>
>> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship now,
>> fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
>
> No computer company on the planet does, nor can, terst their devices
> against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
> It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.
>
>

Do they test them against the most popular apps as rated on their own App
Store?

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 by: sms - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 00:11 UTC

On 9/30/2023 1:07 PM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
> there are millions of people available to do it for free?

<snip>

There is just no way that they could test all the different apps in all
the different usage scenarios. It's expected that there will be issues
that don't turn up until the devices are in the hands of a very large
number of users.

What will be interesting to see is if the A17 benchmarks change once iOS
17 is updated to address overheating. Kuo stated that they'd have to
throttle the CPU in order to address the overheating, in which case the
benchmarks could be affected. "Those who must not be named" insisted
that there is no issue because not every user has reported overheating,
though they now are aware that the issue is real. The truth will come
out soon enough.

--
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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
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 by: Alan - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 00:46 UTC

On 2023-09-30 16:33, badgolferman wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-09-30 20:28:41 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
>>> On 9/30/23 15:07, badgolferman wrote:
>>>> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>> It's really that simple, is it not?
>>>>> Do you agree?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or disagree?
>>>>> Why or why not?
>>>>
>>>> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
>>>> there are millions of people available to do it for free? It’s not like
>>>> anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a bug. The only way
>>>> most people would drop Apple is if they started losing trust in them…
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship now,
>>> fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
>>
>> No computer company on the planet does, nor can, terst their devices
>> against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
>> It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.
>>
>>
>
> Do they test them against the most popular apps as rated on their own App
> Store?
>

In every possible use case? Probably not.

How could they?

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 by: sms - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 00:48 UTC

On 9/30/2023 4:33 PM, badgolferman wrote:

> Do they test them against the most popular apps as rated on their own App
> Store?

That is a good point. This is different than a "computer company" trying
to test "every single piece of third-party made software." The only
software for the iPhone is what is on the App Store. You'd think that
they'd at least test the most-used apps, including Instagram.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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 by: Alan - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 00:55 UTC

On 2023-09-30 17:48, sms wrote:
> On 9/30/2023 4:33 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>
>> Do they test them against the most popular apps as rated on their own App
>> Store?
>
> That is a good point. This is different than a "computer company" trying
> to test "every single piece of third-party made software." The only
> software for the iPhone is what is on the App Store. You'd think that
> they'd at least test the most-used apps, including Instagram.
>

Who says they didn't?

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 01:56 UTC

On 2023-10-01, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-09-30 17:48, sms wrote:
>> On 9/30/2023 4:33 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>>
>>> Do they test them against the most popular apps as rated on their
>>> own App Store?
>>
>> That is a good point. This is different than a "computer company"
>> trying to test "every single piece of third-party made software." The
>> only software for the iPhone is what is on the App Store. You'd think
>> that they'd at least test the most-used apps, including Instagram.
>
> Who says they didn't?

These Big Brain clowns clearly think that all bugs are always readily
evident with minimal testing.

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: candycanearter07 - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 02:55 UTC

On 9/30/23 18:01, Your Name wrote:
>> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship
>> now, fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
>
> No computer company on the planet does, nor can, terst their devices
> against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
> It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.
>

Isn't there only 5-10 models of iphones supported?
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 by: Alan - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 02:59 UTC

On 2023-09-30 19:55, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/30/23 18:01, Your Name wrote:
>>> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship
>>> now, fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
>>
>> No computer company on the planet does, nor can, terst their devices
>> against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
>> It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.
>>
>
> Isn't there only 5-10 models of iphones supported?

You missed half of that sentence:

"against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware"

It's not just the number of iPhones that matters.

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 by: Your Name - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 04:46 UTC

On 2023-10-01 02:55:25 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
> On 9/30/23 18:01, Your Name wrote:
>>> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship now,
>>> fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
>>
>> No computer company on the planet does, nor can, test their devices
>> against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
>> It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.
>
> Isn't there only 5-10 models of iphones supported?

Maybe, and only a couple of models that a few people reporting the heat
problem with ... but there are millions of apps which Apple cannot
possibly test nor be expected to.

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 by: sms - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 05:32 UTC

On 9/30/2023 4:33 PM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

> Do they test them against the most popular apps as rated on their own App
> Store?

What is odd about the "fix" to iOS 17 to address the overheating issue
in the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max is that if there really is some kind of a
problem with some of the apps that causes overheating by "overloading
the iPhone CPU" then why isn't the same issue occurring with the iPhone
14 Pro/Pro Max with the A16 Bionic?

It's likely that these apps, whatever they are, are causing the A17
Bionic to run at maximum power which is too much for the thermal
solution in the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max to deal with.

It was also odd to see that claim that the titanium frame will conduct
heat out the phone better than the stainless steel frame in the iPhone
14 Pro/Pro Max since titanium is a poorer thermal conductor. And if it
did conduct heat better then the outside of the phone would get even
hotter but the inside would be cooler.

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 by: Alan Browne - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 13:16 UTC

On 2023-10-01 01:32, sms wrote:
> On 9/30/2023 4:33 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Do they test them against the most popular apps as rated on their own App
>> Store?
>
> What is odd about the "fix" to iOS 17 to address the overheating issue
> in the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max is that if there really is some kind of a
> problem with some of the apps that causes overheating by "overloading
> the iPhone CPU" then why isn't the same issue occurring with the iPhone
> 14 Pro/Pro Max with the A16 Bionic?

You expect the software package to be identical across different devices?

> It's likely that these apps, whatever they are, are causing the A17
> Bionic to run at maximum power which is too much for the thermal
> solution in the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max to deal with.

Apparently no issue that can't be fixed in both iOS and some 3rd party apps.

>
> It was also odd to see that claim that the titanium frame will conduct
> heat out the phone better than the stainless steel frame in the iPhone
> 14 Pro/Pro Max since titanium is a poorer thermal conductor. And if it
> did conduct heat better then the outside of the phone would get even
> hotter but the inside would be cooler.

Let's see. There are a range of stainless steel alloys with varying
degrees of thermal conductivity. Per Apple they use "Surgical grade"
stainless in the iPhone 14. ( * ) below.

SS - 304 : 14.4 W/(mK)
SS - 347 : 14.3 W/(mK)
SS - 316 : 16.3 W/(mK) *
SS - 440 : 24.2 W/(mK) *
SS - 420 : 24.9 W/(mK) *

Titanium: 24.5 W/(mK) - better than SS 304,347 and 316. Same as 440
and 420.

This is in Watts per metre-Kelvin. Thus the thicker the material, less
the conductivity (obviously). For you non-metric folks, a Kelvin is a
difference of 1°C with 0K at absolute 0.

Finding 1)
So, Titanium is a better heat conductor in the kinds of SS that Apple
likly used (the 440/420 are very hard SS so not ones you'd want to
manufacture at large volume). And even if you used 440 or 420 it would
be the same thermal conductivity as Titanium.

*Denotes so-called "Surgical steel" - although there is no formal
definition of such.

Issue 2)
Further, It's not so much the thermal conductivity that matters as the
way the thermal management is designed: placing the hot components where
their heat has a pathway to the outside via conducting material or other
means.

Issue 3)
Further, since Titanium is stronger, you may need less thickness, thus
the heat transits across less of it - so more conductivity. This is
speculation on my part..

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 by: Alan Browne - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 14:05 UTC

On 2023-10-01 09:16, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-10-01 01:32, sms wrote:
>> On 9/30/2023 4:33 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Do they test them against the most popular apps as rated on their own
>>> App
>>> Store?
>>
>> What is odd about the "fix" to iOS 17 to address the overheating issue
>> in the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max is that if there really is some kind of a
>> problem with some of the apps that causes overheating by "overloading
>> the iPhone CPU" then why isn't the same issue occurring with the
>> iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max with the A16 Bionic?
>
> You expect the software package to be identical across different devices?
>
>> It's likely that these apps, whatever they are, are causing the A17
>> Bionic to run at maximum power which is too much for the thermal
>> solution in the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max to deal with.
>
> Apparently no issue that can't be fixed in both iOS and some 3rd party
> apps.
>
>>
>> It was also odd to see that claim that the titanium frame will conduct
>> heat out the phone better than the stainless steel frame in the iPhone
>> 14 Pro/Pro Max since titanium is a poorer thermal conductor. And if it
>> did conduct heat better then the outside of the phone would get even
>> hotter but the inside would be cooler.
>
> Let's see. There are a range of stainless steel alloys with varying
> degrees of thermal conductivity.  Per Apple they use "Surgical grade"
> stainless in the iPhone 14. ( * ) below.
>
> SS - 304 : 14.4 W/(mK)
> SS - 347 : 14.3 W/(mK)
> SS - 316 : 16.3 W/(mK) *
> SS - 440 : 24.2 W/(mK) *
> SS - 420 : 24.9 W/(mK) *
SS - 630 : 18.4 W/(mK) * // also referred to as "17-4".

> Titanium:  24.5 W/(mK) - better than SS 304,347,316 630.  Same as 440
> and 420.
>
> This is in Watts per metre-Kelvin. Thus the thicker the material, less
> the conductivity (obviously).  For you non-metric folks, a Kelvin is a
> difference of 1°C with 0K at absolute 0.
>
> Finding 1)
> So, Titanium is a better heat conductor in the kinds of SS that Apple
> likly used (the 440/420 are very hard SS so not ones you'd want to
> manufacture at large volume).  And even if you used 440 or 420 it would
> be the same thermal conductivity as Titanium.
>
> *Denotes so-called "Surgical steel" - although there is no formal
> definition of such.
>
> Issue 2)
> Further, It's not so much the thermal conductivity that matters as the
> way the thermal management is designed: placing the hot components where
> their heat has a pathway to the outside via conducting material or other
> means.
>
> Issue 3)
> Further, since Titanium is stronger, you may need less thickness, thus
> the heat transits across less of it - so more conductivity.  This is
> speculation on my part..
>

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 by: Wally J - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 16:30 UTC

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote

> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
> there are millions of people available to do it for free? It��s not like
> anyone is going to stop using the iPhone if they found a bug. The only way
> most people would drop Apple is if they started losing trust in them�K

Hi badgolferman,

I agree with what you have surmised based on current & past Apple history.

To an intelligent adult, the source of the defect is patently obvious.
*Apple forgot to test the defective iPhone 15 before selling it*
*Again*
*Then... Apple _blamed_ everyone but themselves for the defects!*
*Again*

We both own adult cognition which can recognize patterns where Apple never
changes the fact they spend their money on MARKETING & not on engineering.

I can't count the number of times Apple has released a completely defective
product which Apple only looked at _after the shit hit the fan_ in news.

Take the Facetime bugs that a mere kid found. Remember that? When Apple
finally looked at Facetime for the first time - they found scores of holes.

Same thing when Apple finally looked at their defective power-delivery
(where they tried to hide their design incompetence & got caught doing it).

It's no different here in that it's the _same pattern_ Apple always uses.

1. First Apple releases an untested (defective in this case) product.
2. Then the shit hits the fan (in the news).
3. Only then does Apple even _bother_ to think about testing the product.

Once Apple takes a quick look at the product, Apple finds issues
_everywhere_ (from Instagram to indexing to iOS 17 to charging, etc.).

Can you believe that?

Everything causes this defective iPhone to overheat according to Apple.
a. Instagram
b. Indexing
c. Charging
d. Gaming
e. Updating
etc.

If _that_ many diverse things cause these defective iPhones to overheat,
then it's pretty darn clear Apple did not sufficiently test the device.

A. Apple belatedly only tested it _after_ the shit hit the fan, and,
B. even then, Apple *blamed everyone but themselves* for the defects.

To an intelligent adult, the source of the defect is patently obvious.
*Apple forgot to test the defective iPhone 15 before selling it*

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