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 by: Wally J - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 17:40 UTC

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

>>> It's likely that these apps, whatever they are, are causing the A17
>>> Bionic to run at maximum power which is too much for the thermal
>>> solution in the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max to deal with.
>>
>> Apparently no issue that can't be fixed in both iOS and some 3rd party
>> apps.

We can't count the number of times Apple has released a defective product
which Apple only looked at well _after the shit hit the fan_ in news.

Take the Facetime bugs that a mere kid found. Remember that? When Apple
finally looked at Facetime for the first time - they found scores of holes.

Same thing when Apple finally looked at their defective power-delivery
(where they tried to hide their design incompetence & got caught doing it).

It's no different here in that it's the _same pattern_ Apple always uses.

1. First Apple releases an untested (defective in this case) product.
2. Then, _after_ people pay for it, the shit hits the fan (in the news).
3. Only then does Apple even _bother_ to think about testing the product.

Once Apple takes a quick look at the product, Apple finds issues
_everywhere_ (from Instagram to indexing to iOS 17 to charging, etc.).

Can you believe that?

Everything causes this defective iPhone to overheat according to Apple.
a. Instagram
b. Indexing
c. Charging
d. Gaming
e. Updating
etc.

If _that_ many diverse things cause these defective iPhones to overheat,
then it's pretty darn clear Apple did not sufficiently test the device.

A. Apple belatedly only tested it _after_ the shit hit the fan, and,
B. even then, Apple *blamed everyone but themselves* for the defects.

To an intelligent adult, the source of the defect is patently obvious.
*Apple forgot to test the defective iPhone 15 before selling it*

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 18:30 UTC

On 2023-10-01, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-10-01 01:32, sms wrote:
>
>> It was also odd to see that claim that the titanium frame will
>> conduct heat out the phone better than the stainless steel frame in
>> the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max since titanium is a poorer thermal
>> conductor. And if it did conduct heat better then the outside of the
>> phone would get even hotter but the inside would be cooler.
>
> Let's see. There are a range of stainless steel alloys with varying
> degrees of thermal conductivity. Per Apple they use "Surgical grade"
> stainless in the iPhone 14. ( * ) below.
>
> SS - 304 : 14.4 W/(mK)
> SS - 347 : 14.3 W/(mK)
> SS - 316 : 16.3 W/(mK) *
> SS - 440 : 24.2 W/(mK) *
> SS - 420 : 24.9 W/(mK) *
>
> Titanium: 24.5 W/(mK) - better than SS 304,347 and 316. Same as 440
> and 420.
>
> This is in Watts per metre-Kelvin. Thus the thicker the material, less
> the conductivity (obviously). For you non-metric folks, a Kelvin is a
> difference of 1°C with 0K at absolute 0.
>
> Finding 1)
> So, Titanium is a better heat conductor in the kinds of SS that Apple
> likly used (the 440/420 are very hard SS so not ones you'd want to
> manufacture at large volume). And even if you used 440 or 420 it would
> be the same thermal conductivity as Titanium.
>
> *Denotes so-called "Surgical steel" - although there is no formal
> definition of such.
>
> Issue 2)
> Further, It's not so much the thermal conductivity that matters as the
> way the thermal management is designed: placing the hot components where
> their heat has a pathway to the outside via conducting material or other
> means.
>
> Issue 3)
> Further, since Titanium is stronger, you may need less thickness, thus
> the heat transits across less of it - so more conductivity. This is
> speculation on my part..

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> Thank you for admitting out loud Apple doesn�t test their software.
>
> He very clearly didn't say they don't test.

*Apple themselves openly admitted they didn't test it, JR*

An actual adult would instantly cognate that the iPhones are overheating,
and, when Apple was forced to look at why - Apple found myriad reasons.

The sheer astoundingly huge plethora of reasons Apple provided shows rather
clearly that there is zero chance Apple had ever sufficiently tested them.

Add that obvious fact to the fact that this happens all the time with Apple
such that it's clear Apple did NOT sufficiently test the defective iPhones.

Again.

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On 2023-10-01 12:06, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
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>>> Thank you for admitting out loud Apple doesn┤ test their software.
>>
>> He very clearly didn't say they don't test.
>
> *Apple themselves openly admitted they didn't test it, JR*

No, they did not, Clown.

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> It is because there are "millions of people" using their iPhones in
>> millions of different ways that there is no possible way that Apple
>> could test for all possible problems.
>
> It's very obvious neither badgolferman or Arlen (Wally) have ever worked
> professionally in a software team in charge of deploying software to
> massive numbers of heterogeneous clients.

Hehhehheh... ah... but we have.

Both of us have.

With extremely complicated software, Jolly Roger.

It's _you_ who hasn't ever worked with software as complicated as the
military grade stuff both badgolferman and I worked on for decades.

the most complex software you've ever touched, JR, is the toy Apple
operating systems - which have a millionth of the lines of code of teh
stuff badgolferman and I worked on for decades.

It's funny though that you think because we understand what happened, and
because you _hate_ what happened, that you blame us for what Apple did.

More to the point - you blame us for what Apple did NOT do.
*HINT: Apple forgot to sufficiently test the defective iPhones*

Again.

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 by: Wally J - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:13 UTC

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote

>> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship now,
>> fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
>
> No computer company on the planet does, nor can, terst their devices
> against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
> It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.

*All these excuses for a defective product mean Apple forgot to test it.*
*Again*

Maybe Your Name can be excused for ignorance in that Your Name probably
didn't get a chance yet to read all the excuses Apple recently provided.

How many things did Apple blame for the overheating anyway?
*A dozen? Two dozen? Three dozen?*

*How many _different_ things did Apple again forget to test this time?*

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 by: Patrick - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:16 UTC

On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:48:50 -0700, sms wrote:
>> Do they test them against the most popular apps as rated on their own App
>> Store?
>
> That is a good point. This is different than a "computer company" trying
> to test "every single piece of third-party made software." The only
> software for the iPhone is what is on the App Store. You'd think that
> they'd at least test the most-used apps, including Instagram.

You'd think they'd test not only Instagram, but their own iOS 17 too.
They didn't.

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 by: Patrick - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:18 UTC

On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 21:55:25 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship
>>> now, fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
>>
>> No computer company on the planet does, nor can, terst their devices
>> against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
>> It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.
>>
>
> Isn't there only 5-10 models of iphones supported?

Not only are there a puny set of models but the software on them is limited
to the App Store where apparently Apple didn't know Instagram even existed.

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 by: Patrick - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:20 UTC

On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 17:46:58 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>>>> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship now,
>>>> fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
>>>
>>> No computer company on the planet does, nor can, test their devices
>>> against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
>>> It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.
>>
>> Isn't there only 5-10 models of iphones supported?
>
> Maybe, and only a couple of models that a few people reporting the heat
> problem with ... but there are millions of apps which Apple cannot
> possibly test nor be expected to.

Damn Instagram.

Why is it always the app that nobody uses that makes the iPhone overheat.

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 by: Alan - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:24 UTC

On 2023-10-01 12:13, Wally J wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote
>
>>> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship now,
>>> fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
>>
>> No computer company on the planet does, nor can, terst their devices
>> against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
>> It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.
>
> *All these excuses for a defective product mean Apple forgot to test it.*

No, clown.

It doesn't.

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 by: Wolf Greenblatt - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:24 UTC

On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:11:35 -0700, sms wrote:

>> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
>> there are millions of people available to do it for free?
>
> <snip>
>
> There is just no way that they could test all the different apps in all
> the different usage scenarios. It's expected that there will be issues
> that don't turn up until the devices are in the hands of a very large
> number of users.

Did you count the number of things that Apple didn't test until now?

> What will be interesting to see is if the A17 benchmarks change once iOS
> 17 is updated to address overheating.

Of course it will.
Apple cares so much about you that they'll again "extend the life" for you.

> Kuo stated that they'd have to
> throttle the CPU in order to address the overheating, in which case the
> benchmarks could be affected.

The benchmarks are bogus.
Even more so now that the iPhone performance will require cutting.

> "Those who must not be named" insisted
> that there is no issue because not every user has reported overheating,
> though they now are aware that the issue is real. The truth will come
> out soon enough.

Apple already said they have identified many causes for the overheating.
Which means they are overheating.
Which means anyone saying they're not is disagreeing with Apple's findings.

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 by: Alan - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:26 UTC

On 2023-10-01 12:24, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:11:35 -0700, sms wrote:
>
>>> Why should they put all those resources into testing their software when
>>> there are millions of people available to do it for free?
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> There is just no way that they could test all the different apps in all
>> the different usage scenarios. It's expected that there will be issues
>> that don't turn up until the devices are in the hands of a very large
>> number of users.
>
> Did you count the number of things that Apple didn't test until now?
>
>> What will be interesting to see is if the A17 benchmarks change once iOS
>> 17 is updated to address overheating.
>
> Of course it will.
> Apple cares so much about you that they'll again "extend the life" for you.
>
>> Kuo stated that they'd have to
>> throttle the CPU in order to address the overheating, in which case the
>> benchmarks could be affected.
>
> The benchmarks are bogus.
> Even more so now that the iPhone performance will require cutting.
>
>> "Those who must not be named" insisted
>> that there is no issue because not every user has reported overheating,
>> though they now are aware that the issue is real. The truth will come
>> out soon enough.
>
> Apple already said they have identified many causes for the overheating.
> Which means they are overheating.
> Which means anyone saying they're not is disagreeing with Apple's findings.

Except no one has denied that... ...Clown.

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 by: sms - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:32 UTC

On 10/1/2023 12:16 PM, Patrick wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:48:50 -0700, sms wrote:
>>> Do they test them against the most popular apps as rated on their own
>>> App
>>> Store?
>>
>> That is a good point. This is different than a "computer company"
>> trying to test "every single piece of third-party made software." The
>> only software for the iPhone is what is on the App Store. You'd think
>> that they'd at least test the most-used apps, including Instagram.
>
> You'd think they'd test not only Instagram, but their own iOS 17 too.
> They didn't.

iOS 17 has been out for a while. I'm on the Beta program so I've been
running it for quite a while. There haven't been any issues, that I have
heard of, with Instagram running on iOS 17 on earlier iPhone models.

There are definitely some apps out there that will max out the CPU if
they are allowed to do so, even when they are not performing what would
appear to be CPU intensive tasks. Instagram is one such app and it has
the same issue on Android devices.

Apparently there are ways for iOS to prevent excessive CPU usage and
ways to design the app to prevent excessive CPU usage, see
<https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/123975>. These come at the
expense of performance.

Since it's not possible to check over 1.6 million apps for using
excessive resources the solution is to stop the A17 Bionic from getting
so hot in the first place. Modifying the throttling temperature points
would do this. There's also the issue of the titanium frame having
poorer thermal conductivity which means more heat is being conducted out
through the glass back.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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 by: Frankie - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:59 UTC

On 1/10/2023, sms wrote:

> These come at the expense of performance.

The only way Apple can reduce overheating is at the expense of performance.

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On 2023-10-01, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> It is because there are "millions of people" using their iPhones in
>>> millions of different ways that there is no possible way that Apple
>>> could test for all possible problems.
>>
>> It's very obvious neither badgolferman or Arlen (Wally) have ever
>> worked professionally in a software team in charge of deploying
>> software to massive numbers of heterogeneous clients.
>
> Hehhehheh... ah... but we have.
>
> Both of us have.

No, you very clearly haven't.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 20:16 UTC

On 2023-10-01, Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> wrote:
> On 1/10/2023, sms wrote:
>
>> These come at the expense of performance.
>
> The only way Apple can reduce overheating is at the expense of
> performance.

Yes, yes. Fixing the bug that is causing excess resource usage is not an
option, guys. Frankie says so.

The pure idiocy on display here is staggering.

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On 10/1/2023 12:20 PM, Patrick wrote:

<snip>

> Damn Instagram.
>
> Why is it always the app that nobody uses that makes the iPhone overheat.

LOL, here are the iOS apps that are downloaded the most:
1. TikTok
2. Instagram
3. Facebook
4. WhatsApp
5. Telegram

I did see a complaint that Instagram causes Android phones to heat up as
well. It seems like Instagram will just use as much CPU power as it can
get. This is not really a bug in Instagram, the operating system should
be limiting the amount of resources that an app can consume.

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 by: Alan Browne - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 21:00 UTC

On 2023-10-01 15:59, Frankie wrote:
> On 1/10/2023, sms wrote:
>
>> These come at the expense of performance.
>
> The only way Apple can reduce overheating is at the expense of performance.

Since the fix is bug fixes in iOS and some apps, would you care to
elaborate?

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 by: Wally J - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 21:13 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

> No, you very clearly haven't.

Well, both badgolferman and I have said we've worked on military grade
software for decades but you can choose to disbelieve what we say.

What you can't say is that we don't understand what happened, which is
a. Apple forgot to test the iPhone 15 for causes of overheating
b. When the shit hit the fan - only then did Apple bother to test it
c. After testing - Apple said it was tons (and tons!) of things that did it

Meaning...

*Apple forgot to sufficiently test the iPhone*

Again.

Worse...

*Apple is almost certainly going to decrease performance*

Because... (you fill in the blanks, Jolly Roger)...

ADULT QUESTION FOR JOLLY ROGER:

*How will Apple lower heat output from a CPU running too fast?*

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 by: Frankie - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 21:18 UTC

On 1/10/2023, Alan Browne wrote:

>>> These come at the expense of performance.
>>
>> The only way Apple can reduce overheating is at the expense of performance.
>
> Since the fix is bug fixes in iOS and some apps, would you care to
> elaborate?

The only way Apple can lower the heat output is to lower performance.
That means all the benchmarks to date are no longer valid.
They never were valid.

Apple sold an inherently untested product which turned out to be defective.
The benchmark results are on that defective product.

It's fast. But too hot.

The non-defective iPhone will be cooler.
And slower.

There is no other way to solve the problem without a complete hardware
redesign (which isn't what Apple said they would do to fix the problem).

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 by: Alan Browne - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 21:36 UTC

On 2023-10-01 16:38, sms wrote:
> On 10/1/2023 12:20 PM, Patrick wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Damn Instagram.
>>
>> Why is it always the app that nobody uses that makes the iPhone overheat.
>
> LOL, here are the iOS apps that are downloaded the most:
> 1. TikTok
> 2. Instagram
> 3. Facebook
> 4. WhatsApp
> 5. Telegram
>
> I did see a complaint that Instagram causes Android phones to heat up as
> well. It seems like Instagram will just use as much CPU power as it can
> get. This is not really a bug in Instagram, the operating system should
> be limiting the amount of resources that an app can consume.

Not at all. The OS cannot tell if badly written software is doing
something useless driving up power consumption.

Simple example - if there is a loop that goes

double x = 33333;

while (1) {
x = 4 * atan(1) / (44.7777 / x);
if (x < 0.002) {
x = 33333;
}
}

The OS would not know it was doing useless work and the app would run
until pre-emption ... and resume the endless loop when the thread was
re-turned. This is an over-simplified example but gets to the gist of it.

So a good app would not hog thread time if it had no real work to do,
but instead would call for a Thread Sleep.

In C: usleep(10000); // 10 msec

(Note there are a lot of "sleep" variants depending on platform.

eg: This would likely be: "Thread.sleep(forTimeInterval: 0.010)" in
Swift 2 the iOS "preferred" language)

So, you're talking out of your hat. Again.

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On 2023-10-01 12:18, Patrick wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 21:55:25 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> Because people expect polish?? What kind of argument is this? Ship
>>>> now, fix later is hated by consumers for a reason.
>>>
>>> No computer company on the planet does, nor can, terst their devices
>>> against every single piece of third-party made software and hardware.
>>> It's not remotely sensible for anyone to expect them to either.
>>>
>>
>> Isn't there only 5-10 models of iphones supported?
>
> Not only are there a puny set of models but the software on them is limited
> to the App Store where apparently Apple didn't know Instagram even existed.

Arlen... ...stop changing nyms, you Clown.

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On 2023-10-01 14:13, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
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>> No, you very clearly haven't.
>
> Well, both badgolferman and I have said we've worked on military grade
> software for decades but you can choose to disbelieve what we say.

That's convenient, Clown...

....because we do so choose.

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 by: candycanearter07 - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 21:39 UTC

On 10/1/23 14:09, Wally J wrote:
> It's _you_ who hasn't ever worked with software as complicated as the
> military grade stuff both badgolferman and I worked on for decades.

You've coded operating systems?? That's awesome!
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 by: candycanearter07 - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 21:43 UTC

On 10/1/23 16:36, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-10-01 16:38, sms wrote:
>> On 10/1/2023 12:20 PM, Patrick wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Damn Instagram.
>>>
>>> Why is it always the app that nobody uses that makes the iPhone
>>> overheat.
>>
>> LOL, here are the iOS apps that are downloaded the most:
>> 1. TikTok
>> 2. Instagram
>> 3. Facebook
>> 4. WhatsApp
>> 5. Telegram
>>
>> I did see a complaint that Instagram causes Android phones to heat up
>> as well. It seems like Instagram will just use as much CPU power as it
>> can get. This is not really a bug in Instagram, the operating system
>> should be limiting the amount of resources that an app can consume.
>
> Not at all.  The OS cannot tell if badly written software is doing
> something useless driving up power consumption.

The operating system controls thread scheduling and memory. They can
just lower the apps priority if its past a certain usage percentage, or
outright kill it.
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