I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
are scattered around the web for the taking but.....

Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?

There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
try and revive some of them on more current systems.

Anybody know where they might be found? Does anyone who might have
helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?

bill

On 2023-07-18 15:08, bill wrote:
>
> I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
> are scattered around the web for the taking but.....
>
> Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
> products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?
>
> There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
> would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
> try and revive some of them on more current systems.
>
> Anybody know where they might be found?  Does anyone who might have
> helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?

Most of the PDP-11 symposium tapes are still possible to find.
Individual items might be trickier sometimes...

Don't know for sure about the VAX bits...

Johnny

On 7/18/2023 10:07 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2023-07-18 15:08, bill wrote:
>>
>> I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
>> are scattered around the web for the taking but.....
>>
>> Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
>> products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?
>>
>> There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
>> would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
>> try and revive some of them on more current systems.
>>
>> Anybody know where they might be found?  Does anyone who might have
>> helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?
>
> Most of the PDP-11 symposium tapes are still possible to find.
> Individual items might be trickier sometimes...
>
> Don't know for sure about the VAX bits...
>

As stated, I know the Symposium Tapes (except for the one I really
want!) are usually available. I am interested in the stuff that was
listed as products "available from DECUS" in the PDP_11 and VAX
Software Sourcebooks. Did all the stuff held by DECUS end up in the
trash with the only survivors being stuff individuals kept copies of?
We're talking hundreds of interesting packages. Is all of that lost
like all the other commercial stuff?

bill

On 7/18/2023 9:08 AM, bill wrote:
> I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
> are scattered around the web for the taking but.....
>
> Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
> products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?
>
> There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
> would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
> try and revive some of them on more current systems.
>
> Anybody know where they might be found?  Does anyone who might have
> helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?

https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/decus/

has some of the "later" VMS and L&T SIG tapes.

I have no idea about the more "exotic" ones
like all the PDP-11 OS SIG's.

Glen Everhart should still be around and may know more.

Arne

On 7/18/2023 11:25 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 7/18/2023 9:08 AM, bill wrote:
>> I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
>> are scattered around the web for the taking but.....
>>
>> Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
>> products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?
>>
>> There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
>> would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
>> try and revive some of them on more current systems.
>>
>> Anybody know where they might be found?  Does anyone who might have
>> helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?
>
> https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/decus/
>
> has some of the "later" VMS and L&T SIG tapes.
>
> I have no idea about the more "exotic" ones
> like all the PDP-11 OS SIG's.
>
> Glen Everhart should still be around and may know more.
>

Again, I am not talking about SIG Tapes. I am talking about products
that DECUS sold that were listed in the DEC Software Sourcebooks for
the PDP-11 and VAX.

Maybe a few examples might help,

Dual-Processor RT-11 System - DECUS number 11-436 Price: $5-$225
C Language System, Second Master Release - DECUS number 11-SP-18 Price:
$5-$225
(This is not DECUS C!!)

And in the VAX book:

APL-11 - DECUS number 11-SP-25 Price: $5-$225
SEDT: Full-Function Screen Editor Program - DECUS number VAX-93 Price:
$5-$225

Interesting pricing scheme. :-)

bill

On 2023-07-18 16:13, bill wrote:
> On 7/18/2023 10:07 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2023-07-18 15:08, bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
>>> are scattered around the web for the taking but.....
>>>
>>> Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
>>> products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?
>>>
>>> There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
>>> would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
>>> try and revive some of them on more current systems.
>>>
>>> Anybody know where they might be found?  Does anyone who might have
>>> helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?
>>
>> Most of the PDP-11 symposium tapes are still possible to find.
>> Individual items might be trickier sometimes...
>>
>> Don't know for sure about the VAX bits...
>>
>
> As stated, I know the Symposium Tapes (except for the one I really
> want!) are usually available.  I am interested in the stuff that was
> listed as products "available from DECUS" in the PDP_11 and VAX
> Software Sourcebooks.  Did all the stuff held  by DECUS end up in the
> trash with the only survivors being stuff individuals kept copies of?
> We're talking hundreds of interesting packages.  Is all of that lost
> like all the other commercial stuff?

I think so. :-(

Johnny

On 2023-07-18 19:20, bill wrote:
> On 7/18/2023 11:25 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 7/18/2023 9:08 AM, bill wrote:
>>> I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
>>> are scattered around the web for the taking but.....
>>>
>>> Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
>>> products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?
>>>
>>> There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
>>> would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
>>> try and revive some of them on more current systems.
>>>
>>> Anybody know where they might be found?  Does anyone who might have
>>> helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?
>>
>> https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/decus/
>>
>> has some of the "later" VMS and L&T SIG tapes.
>>
>> I have no idea about the more "exotic" ones
>> like all the PDP-11 OS SIG's.
>>
>> Glen Everhart should still be around and may know more.
>>
>
> Again, I am not talking about SIG Tapes.  I am talking about products
> that DECUS sold that were listed in the DEC Software Sourcebooks for
> the PDP-11 and VAX.
>
> Maybe a few examples might help,
>
> Dual-Processor RT-11 System - DECUS number 11-436  Price: $5-$225

This one I have no clue what it actually was/is.

> C Language System, Second Master Release - DECUS number 11-SP-18  Price:
> $5-$225
> (This is not DECUS C!!)

Actually, I think it is. They did have a second master release. Lots of
things moved around.

> And  in the VAX book:
>
> APL-11 - DECUS number 11-SP-25  Price: $5-$225

I might actually have this one. Had to fix a few things to make it work
on a more modern version of RSX...

> SEDT: Full-Function Screen Editor Program - DECUS number VAX-93  Price:
> $5-$225
>
> Interesting pricing scheme.  :-)

My recollection of the pricing was that it was the cost of media, plus a
modest cost for making the copy. And then you could (at least in some
cases) also order hardcopy documentation, which added to the price.

I did order some PDP-8 software from DECUS back in the 80s... Got some
nice 8" floppies with what I wanted. Wasn't that expensive, but it did
cost me a little bit.

Johnny

On 7/18/2023 2:13 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2023-07-18 19:20, bill wrote:
>> On 7/18/2023 11:25 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2023 9:08 AM, bill wrote:
>>>> I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
>>>> are scattered around the web for the taking but.....
>>>>
>>>> Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
>>>> products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?
>>>>
>>>> There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
>>>> would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
>>>> try and revive some of them on more current systems.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody know where they might be found?  Does anyone who might have
>>>> helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?
>>>
>>> https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/decus/
>>>
>>> has some of the "later" VMS and L&T SIG tapes.
>>>
>>> I have no idea about the more "exotic" ones
>>> like all the PDP-11 OS SIG's.
>>>
>>> Glen Everhart should still be around and may know more.
>>>
>>
>> Again, I am not talking about SIG Tapes.  I am talking about products
>> that DECUS sold that were listed in the DEC Software Sourcebooks for
>> the PDP-11 and VAX.
>>
>> Maybe a few examples might help,
>>
>> Dual-Processor RT-11 System - DECUS number 11-436  Price: $5-$225
>
> This one I have no clue what it actually was/is.

"This set of RT-11 device handlers allows two PDP-11 CPUs
connected by a DA11-F bus interface to share the same disk
or DECtape controllers: RK11, RL11, or TC11. Each CPU runs
its own RT-11 operating system with a small foreground job
on one system dedicated to supervising disk and DECtape I/O
for the other systems."

>
>> C Language System, Second Master Release - DECUS number 11-SP-18
>> Price: $5-$225
>> (This is not DECUS C!!)
>
> Actually, I think it is. They did have a second master release. Lots of
> things moved around.

I think your right, I mos-read t. I thought it said the source was also
in C but it actually doesn't say.

>
>> And  in the VAX book:
>>
>> APL-11 - DECUS number 11-SP-25  Price: $5-$225
>
> I might actually have this one. Had to fix a few things to make it work
> on a more modern version of RSX...

Actually, this version runs on the VAX under VMS. The PDP_11 version
has always been readily available on the web. I have it.

>
>> SEDT: Full-Function Screen Editor Program - DECUS number VAX-93
>> Price: $5-$225
>>
>> Interesting pricing scheme.  :-)
>
> My recollection of the pricing was that it was the cost of media, plus a
> modest cost for making the copy. And then you could (at least in some
> cases) also order hardcopy documentation, which added to the price.
>
> I did order some PDP-8 software from DECUS back in the 80s... Got some
> nice 8" floppies with what I wanted. Wasn't that expensive, but it did
> cost me a little bit.

But the main point is still have we lost all this DECUS software?

I wish we could contact some of the people at the commercial sites
as well. There can't actually be any commercial value left in any
of this stuff. But it would be great to be able to show people how
we used to do this stuff.

One name that pops up a lot is Evans, Griffiths & Hart. Name is
very familiar and may have been around until recently (if not still around).

And S & H Computer Systems INC. which not too long ago (in computer
years) publicly released a version of TSX for hobbyist use.

Surely there are people still floating around here who knew a lot
of these companies back in the VAX and PDP-11 days.

bill

On 7/18/2023 2:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2023-07-18 16:13, bill wrote:
>> On 7/18/2023 10:07 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> We're talking hundreds of interesting packages.  Is all of that lost
>> like all the other commercial stuff?
>
> I think so. :-(
>

It's funny in a sad sorta way. I used to collect Old Time Radio
programs. Of course it was nostalgia for me because I grew up
before TV and spent a lot of time listening to these programs
on an old Philco radio (Yes, I still have it but like most old
electronics I need to re-cap it yet again.)

I have a recording somewhere of an interview with Jack Benny
where he stated that none of this stuff was ever copyrighted
and seldom preserved because when they made it they didn't see
it having any lasting value. Sadly, it seems that the same
has been applied to computer programming.

bill

On 7/18/2023 10:13 AM, bill wrote:
> On 7/18/2023 10:07 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2023-07-18 15:08, bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
>>> are scattered around the web for the taking but.....
>>>
>>> Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
>>> products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?
>>>
>>> There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
>>> would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
>>> try and revive some of them on more current systems.
>>>
>>> Anybody know where they might be found? Does anyone who might have
>>> helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?
>>
>> Most of the PDP-11 symposium tapes are still possible to find. Individual
>> items might be trickier sometimes...
>>
>> Don't know for sure about the VAX bits...
>>
>
> As stated, I know the Symposium Tapes (except for the one I really
> want!) are usually available. I am interested in the stuff that was
> listed as products "available from DECUS" in the PDP_11 and VAX
> Software Sourcebooks. Did all the stuff held by DECUS end up in the
> trash with the only survivors being stuff individuals kept copies of?
> We're talking hundreds of interesting packages. Is all of that lost
> like all the other commercial stuff?
>
>
> bill
>
>

There is the VMS freeware CDs. Still available. Don't know how much cross-over
with the DECUS SIG stuff.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

Going on a slight OT here...

On 2023-07-19 00:53, bill wrote:
> On 7/18/2023 2:13 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2023-07-18 19:20, bill wrote:
>>> And  in the VAX book:
>>>
>>> APL-11 - DECUS number 11-SP-25  Price: $5-$225
>>
>> I might actually have this one. Had to fix a few things to make it
>> work on a more modern version of RSX...
>
> Actually, this version runs on the VAX under VMS.  The PDP_11 version
> has always been readily available on the web.  I have it.

I would suspect/expect that it's the same software. First of all, I
doubt there would be two different things both called APL-11 that were
not related.
Second, APL-11 do suggest that it is PDP-11 software. APL-11 actually
came from DEC, but for some reason they put the whole thing to DECUS.
And this was back at the end of the 70s. I guess they just didn't
believe in having it as a commercial product anymore?
Anyway, at this point in time, all VAXen had PDP-11 compatibility in
there, and APL-11 for PDP-11 would compile and be usable on VAX/VMS as
well. Just like most other tools back at that time. VAX native hadn't
come far yet...

But I agree with your comments that it's sad that probably a lot of
stuff have been lost.

I am actually way more upset that the PDP-11 layered software that were
actual products are at the moment also lost. That would, for me, have
way more value to have gotten preserved.

Johnny

On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-7, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 7/18/2023 9:08 AM, bill wrote:
> > I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
> > are scattered around the web for the taking but.....
> >
> > Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
> > products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?
> >
> > There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
> > would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
> > try and revive some of them on more current systems.
> >
> > Anybody know where they might be found? Does anyone who might have
> > helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?
> https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/decus/
>
> has some of the "later" VMS and L&T SIG tapes.
>
> I have no idea about the more "exotic" ones
> like all the PDP-11 OS SIG's.
>
> Glen Everhart should still be around and may know more.
>
> Arne

My Mar-89 Decus contribution has been lost. The only reference I can find is in the Google cache to c.o.v.

On 18/07/2023 23:53, bill wrote:
> On 7/18/2023 2:13 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2023-07-18 19:20, bill wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2023 11:25 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 7/18/2023 9:08 AM, bill wrote:
>>>>> I know that most (but sadly, not all) of the DECUS Symposium Tapes
>>>>> are scattered around the web for the taking but.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there an archive anywhere of all (or some?) the various DECUS
>>>>> products that are listed in the PDP-11 and VAX Software Sourcebooks?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a lot of really interesting things listed in there and it
>>>>> would be not only fun read some of the sources but even more fun to
>>>>> try and revive some of them on more current systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody know where they might be found?  Does anyone who might have
>>>>> helped maintain the DECUS archives back in the day still exist?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/decus/
>>>>
>>>> has some of the "later" VMS and L&T SIG tapes.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea about the more "exotic" ones
>>>> like all the PDP-11 OS SIG's.
>>>>
>>>> Glen Everhart should still be around and may know more.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Again, I am not talking about SIG Tapes.  I am talking about products
>>> that DECUS sold that were listed in the DEC Software Sourcebooks for
>>> the PDP-11 and VAX.
>>>
>>> Maybe a few examples might help,
>>>
>>> Dual-Processor RT-11 System - DECUS number 11-436  Price: $5-$225
>>
>> This one I have no clue what it actually was/is.
>
> "This set of RT-11 device handlers allows two PDP-11 CPUs
> connected by a DA11-F bus interface to share the same disk
> or DECtape controllers: RK11, RL11, or TC11.  Each CPU runs
> its own RT-11 operating system with a small foreground job
> on one system dedicated to supervising disk and DECtape I/O
> for the other systems."
>
>>
>>> C Language System, Second Master Release - DECUS number 11-SP-18
>>> Price: $5-$225
>>> (This is not DECUS C!!)
>>
>> Actually, I think it is. They did have a second master release. Lots
>> of things moved around.
>
> I think your right, I mos-read t. I thought it said the source was also
> in C but it actually doesn't say.
>
>>
>>> And  in the VAX book:
>>>
>>> APL-11 - DECUS number 11-SP-25  Price: $5-$225
>>
>> I might actually have this one. Had to fix a few things to make it
>> work on a more modern version of RSX...
>
> Actually, this version runs on the VAX under VMS.  The PDP_11 version
> has always been readily available on the web.  I have it.
>
>>
>>> SEDT: Full-Function Screen Editor Program - DECUS number VAX-93
>>> Price: $5-$225
>>>
>>> Interesting pricing scheme.  :-)
>>
>> My recollection of the pricing was that it was the cost of media, plus
>> a modest cost for making the copy. And then you could (at least in
>> some cases) also order hardcopy documentation, which added to the price.
>>
>> I did order some PDP-8 software from DECUS back in the 80s... Got some
>> nice 8" floppies with what I wanted. Wasn't that expensive, but it did
>> cost me a little bit.
>
> But the main point is still have we lost all this DECUS software?

I believe so. They were charged for so users only bought what was
needed. You weren't supposed to redistribute. Its very sad.

>
> I wish we could contact some of the people at the commercial sites
> as well.  There can't actually be any commercial value left in any
> of this stuff.  But it would be great to be able to show people how
> we used to do this stuff.
>
> One name that pops up a lot is Evans, Griffiths & Hart.  Name is
> very familiar and may have been around until recently (if not still
> around).
>

The probably won't help. They will quote the legalese.

> And S & H Computer Systems INC. which not too long ago (in computer
> years) publicly released a version of TSX for hobbyist use.
>
> Surely there are people still floating around here who knew a lot
> of these companies back in the VAX and PDP-11 days.
>

I tried and failed for :-(

> bill
>
>
Dave

On 7/18/2023 1:20 PM, bill wrote:
>
> Again, I am not talking about SIG Tapes.  I am talking about products
> that DECUS sold that were listed in the DEC Software Sourcebooks for
> the PDP-11 and VAX.
>
EISNER (DECUServe) has most (all?) of the VAX packages.

> And  in the VAX book:
>
> APL-11 - DECUS number 11-SP-25  Price: $5-$225
> SEDT: Full-Function Screen Editor Program - DECUS number VAX-93  Price:
> $5-$225
>

I assume these are the same things.

$ search .index apl,sedt
DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.VMS.LIBRARY].INDEX;1

V00031 APL for VAX/VMS from SCI Version: V3.0, February 1983
V00093 SEDT: Full Function Screen Editor Program Version: V1.0,
March 1984
V00374 APLTPU/APLEVE Version: January 1990

All (AFAIK) of the SIG tapes can be found there, too, under [MASTER]:

DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RSTS]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RSX]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RT-11]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.VMS]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1

--
Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
goathunter@goatley.com http://hunter.goatley.com/

On 7/19/2023 11:50 PM, Hunter Goatley wrote:
> On 7/18/2023 1:20 PM, bill wrote:
>>
>> Again, I am not talking about SIG Tapes.  I am talking about products
>> that DECUS sold that were listed in the DEC Software Sourcebooks for
>> the PDP-11 and VAX.
>>
> EISNER (DECUServe) has most (all?) of the VAX packages.

Looks like I really need to get an account on EISNER again. Have
to be a new one, though. Even if my old one was still there I can't
remember what it might have been. :-) But then, by noon I probsably
won't remember what I ate for breakfast.

>
>
>> And  in the VAX book:
>>
>> APL-11 - DECUS number 11-SP-25  Price: $5-$225
>> SEDT: Full-Function Screen Editor Program - DECUS number VAX-93
>> Price: $5-$225
>>
>
> I assume these are the same things.
>
> $ search .index apl,sedt
> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.VMS.LIBRARY].INDEX;1
>
> V00031     APL for VAX/VMS from SCI  Version: V3.0, February 1983

This one is definitely in the book and the numbers correspond. Not the
one I was looking at but one I would be interested in.

> V00093     SEDT: Full Function Screen Editor Program  Version: V1.0,
> March 1984
> V00374     APLTPU/APLEVE  Version: January 1990
>
> All (AFAIK) of the SIG tapes can be found there, too, under [MASTER]:
>
> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RSTS]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RSX]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RT-11]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.VMS]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1

Will definitely take a look at these. There is one PDP-11 tape in
particular that I have wanted for years and all I ever find is a one
page index of what was on it.

bill

On 7/20/2023 10:40 AM, bill wrote:
> On 7/19/2023 11:50 PM, Hunter Goatley wrote:
>> On 7/18/2023 1:20 PM, bill wrote:
>>>
>>> Again, I am not talking about SIG Tapes.  I am talking about products
>>> that DECUS sold that were listed in the DEC Software Sourcebooks for
>>> the PDP-11 and VAX.
>>>
>> EISNER (DECUServe) has most (all?) of the VAX packages.
>
> Looks like I really need to get an account on EISNER again.  Have
> to be a new one, though.  Even if my old one was still there I can't
> remember what it might have been.  :-)  But then, by noon I probsably
> won't remember what I ate for breakfast.
>

Well, that was a bummer.

When I went to register it found my old account and reactivated it.
Sadly, it says my password remains the same and I have no idea what
it might be and see no way to change it.

On another note, tried Contacts, Help and DCLinabox from the web
page and all of them timed out. I suspect that has something to
do with the recent move.

I'll just sit here and wait, patiently.

bill

On 20/7/2023 1:20 pm, Hunter Goatley wrote:
> On 7/18/2023 1:20 PM, bill wrote:
>>
>> Again, I am not talking about SIG Tapes.  I am talking about products
>> that DECUS sold that were listed in the DEC Software Sourcebooks for
>> the PDP-11 and VAX.
>>
> EISNER (DECUServe) has most (all?) of the VAX packages.
>
>
>> And  in the VAX book:
>>
>> APL-11 - DECUS number 11-SP-25  Price: $5-$225
>> SEDT: Full-Function Screen Editor Program - DECUS number VAX-93
>> Price: $5-$225
>>
>
> I assume these are the same things.
>
> $ search .index apl,sedt
> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.VMS.LIBRARY].INDEX;1
>
> V00031     APL for VAX/VMS from SCI  Version: V3.0, February 1983
> V00093     SEDT: Full Function Screen Editor Program  Version: V1.0,
> March 1984
> V00374     APLTPU/APLEVE  Version: January 1990
>
> All (AFAIK) of the SIG tapes can be found there, too, under [MASTER]:
>
> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RSTS]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RSX]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RT-11]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.VMS]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1

https://eisner.decus.org/online/library

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On 21/7/2023 12:31 am, bill wrote:
> On 7/20/2023 10:40 AM, bill wrote:
>> On 7/19/2023 11:50 PM, Hunter Goatley wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2023 1:20 PM, bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Again, I am not talking about SIG Tapes.  I am talking about products
>>>> that DECUS sold that were listed in the DEC Software Sourcebooks for
>>>> the PDP-11 and VAX.
>>>>
>>> EISNER (DECUServe) has most (all?) of the VAX packages.
>>
>> Looks like I really need to get an account on EISNER again.  Have
>> to be a new one, though.  Even if my old one was still there I can't
>> remember what it might have been.  :-)  But then, by noon I probsably
>> won't remember what I ate for breakfast.
>>
>
> Well, that was a bummer.
>
> When I went to register it found my old account and reactivated it.
> Sadly, it says my password remains the same and I have no idea what
> it might be and see  no way to change it.
>
> On another note, tried Contacts, Help and DCLinabox from the web
> page and all of them timed out.  I suspect that has something to
> do with the recent move.
>
> I'll just sit here and wait, patiently.
>
> bill

|DECUServe On-Line – consulting for peanuts
|Home Features Notes DCLinabox MAIL Links Contacts
| |Contacts
| |For further information regarding obtaining an account or about your
|current account, email information@encompasserve.org
| |For problems with, suggestions for, or otherwise information about the
|Web site, email webmaster@encompasserve.org
| |As at 07 May 2016

Help?

|Username: daniel
|Password:
| Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V8.4-2L2 on
|node EISNER
| Last interactive login on Saturday, 8-JUL-2023 18:54:57.12
| Last non-interactive login on Thursday, 20-JUL-2023 12:32:51.62
| |%DCL-S-SPAWNED, process DANIEL_39782 spawned
| User [DANIEL] has 95940 blocks used, 104060 available,
| of 200000 authorized and permitted overdraft of 100 blocks on |DISK_EXEC
| |EISNER$
|Subprocess DANIEL_39782 has completed
|EISNER$
| |Fri Jul 21 2023 02:04:26 (00:01) DCLinabox v1.7.2

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On 7/20/2023 11:01 AM, bill wrote:
> On 7/20/2023 10:40 AM, bill wrote:

>> Looks like I really need to get an account on EISNER again.  Have
>> to be a new one, though.  Even if my old one was still there I can't
>> remember what it might have been.  :-)  But then, by noon I probsably
>> won't remember what I ate for breakfast.
>>
>
> Well, that was a bummer.
>
> When I went to register it found my old account and reactivated it.
> Sadly, it says my password remains the same and I have no idea what
> it might be and see  no way to change it.

Email me, and I'll sort it out.

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On 2023-07-20 18:28, Mark Daniel wrote:
> On 20/7/2023 1:20 pm, Hunter Goatley wrote:
>> On 7/18/2023 1:20 PM, bill wrote:
>>>
>>> Again, I am not talking about SIG Tapes.  I am talking about products
>>> that DECUS sold that were listed in the DEC Software Sourcebooks for
>>> the PDP-11 and VAX.
>>>
>> EISNER (DECUServe) has most (all?) of the VAX packages.
>>
>>
>>> And  in the VAX book:
>>>
>>> APL-11 - DECUS number 11-SP-25  Price: $5-$225
>>> SEDT: Full-Function Screen Editor Program - DECUS number VAX-93
>>> Price: $5-$225
>>>
>>
>> I assume these are the same things.
>>
>> $ search .index apl,sedt
>> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.VMS.LIBRARY].INDEX;1
>>
>> V00031     APL for VAX/VMS from SCI  Version: V3.0, February 1983
>> V00093     SEDT: Full Function Screen Editor Program  Version: V1.0,
>> March 1984
>> V00374     APLTPU/APLEVE  Version: January 1990
>>
>> All (AFAIK) of the SIG tapes can be found there, too, under [MASTER]:
>>
>> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RSTS]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
>> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RSX]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
>> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.RT-11]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
>> DISK$REPOSITORY:[MASTER.VMS]SIG_TAPES.DIR;1
>
> https://eisner.decus.org/online/library

Sadly, as far as PDP-11 software goes, it seems to primarily be the SIG
tapes.

Johnny

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> spake the secret code
<XgduM.33242$%8x.15761@fx10.ams4> thusly:

>https://eisner.decus.org/online/library

Am I the only one getting ERR_CONNECTION_CLOSED for this host?
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On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:43:45 PM UTC+1, Richard wrote:
> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> Mark Daniel <mark....@wasd.vsm.com.au> spake the secret code
> <XgduM.33242$%8x.1...@fx10.ams4> thusly:
>
> >https://eisner.decus.org/online/library
>
> Am I the only one getting ERR_CONNECTION_CLOSED for this host?
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Not just you, my work network does not like the certificate that eisner has

Ian Miller wrote:

> Richard wrote:
>
>> Am I the only one getting ERR_CONNECTION_CLOSED for this host?
>
> Not just you, my work network does not like the certificate that eisner has

all good here ...

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-4, Ian Miller wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:43:45 PM UTC+1, Richard wrote:
> > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
> >
> > Mark Daniel <mark....@wasd.vsm.com.au> spake the secret code
> > <XgduM.33242$%8x.1...@fx10.ams4> thusly:
> >
> > >https://eisner.decus.org/online/library
> >
> > Am I the only one getting ERR_CONNECTION_CLOSED for this host?
>
> Not just you, my work network does not like the certificate that eisner has

SSLlabs gives it an A+ rating with individual scores of 100/100/90/90:
https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=eisner.decus.org

If your host/network doesn't like Eisner's certificate it will probably
have problems with other Let's Encrypt hosts. You might want to open
a ticket with your IT department (unless you *ARE* your IT department).

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Ian Miller <gxys@uk2.net> spake the secret code
<ba0ed918-82e1-43c7-93b0-b2b0c864ce0an@googlegroups.com> thusly:

>On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:43:45 PM UTC+1, Richard wrote:
>> Mark Daniel <mark....@wasd.vsm.com.au> spake the secret code
>> <XgduM.33242$%8x.1...@fx10.ams4> thusly:
>>
>> >https://eisner.decus.org/online/library
>>
>> Am I the only one getting ERR_CONNECTION_CLOSED for this host?
>
>Not just you, my work network does not like the certificate that eisner has

OK, yeah, I did an experiment and I can access through my ISP's shell,
but not through $WORK_LAN.

Thanks for the confirmation.
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