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by: Niels S. Eliasen - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 10:56 UTC

Hello
I noticed that the https://openvms-ng.com got cancelled....
Any alternatives ?

--
kind regards/mvh

Niels S. Eliasen

Eliasen Consult
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by: Ian Miller - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:25 UTC

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:56:44 AM UTC+1, Niels S. Eliasen wrote:
> Hello
> I noticed that the https://openvms-ng.com got cancelled....
> Any alternatives ?
>
>
> --
> kind regards/mvh
>
> Niels S. Eliasen
>
> Eliasen Consult
> Oregaardsvaengevej 1
> DK-4720 Præstø
> Tel/Cell: +45 21779590
> mailto:ni...@eliasen.co

I saw the message "IMPORTANT: Open VMS Next Generation Conference is cancelled due to lack of interest. The organizers apologize for any inconvenience.."

Who would organize an alternative with that lack of interest?

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by: Simon Clubley - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:30 UTC

On 2023-07-25, Ian Miller <gxys@uk2.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:56:44?AM UTC+1, Niels S. Eliasen wrote:
>> Hello
>> I noticed that the https://openvms-ng.com got cancelled....
>> Any alternatives ?
>>
>>
>> --
>> kind regards/mvh
>>
>> Niels S. Eliasen
>>
>> Eliasen Consult
>> Oregaardsvaengevej 1
>> DK-4720 Præstø
>> Tel/Cell: +45 21779590
>> mailto:ni...@eliasen.co
>
> I saw the message "IMPORTANT: Open VMS Next Generation Conference is cancelled due to lack of interest. The organizers apologize for any inconvenience."
>
> Who would organize an alternative with that lack of interest?
>

I agree. They must have done a survey of potential attendees before
going to the effort and cost of organising this and hence considered
it to be viable at that point. I wonder what changed ?

BTW, you don't see the cancelled message unless Javascript is turned on. :-)

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

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by: Andy Burns - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:45 UTC

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by: Jan-Erik Söderholm - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:50 UTC

Den 2023-07-25 kl. 13:25, skrev Ian Miller:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:56:44 AM UTC+1, Niels S. Eliasen wrote:
>> Hello
>> I noticed that the https://openvms-ng.com got cancelled....
>> Any alternatives ?
>>
>>
>> --
>> kind regards/mvh
>>
>> Niels S. Eliasen
>>
>> Eliasen Consult
>> Oregaardsvaengevej 1
>> DK-4720 Præstø
>> Tel/Cell: +45 21779590
>> mailto:ni...@eliasen.co
>
> I saw the message "IMPORTANT: Open VMS Next Generation Conference is cancelled due to lack of interest. The organizers apologize for any inconvenience."
>
> Who would organize an alternative with that lack of interest?
>

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by: Jan-Erik Söderholm - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:53 UTC

Put it into Copenhagen or such with a more central location to possible
OpenVMS users. Croatia is nice from a vacation point of view, but maybe not
the actual area there this event was planned.

It might not be lack of interest for an OpenVMS event in general, just that
this one was a bit "off" for many OpenVMS users.

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by: abrsvc - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:05 UTC

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:53:40 AM UTC-4, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2023-07-25 kl. 13:25, skrev Ian Miller:
> > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:56:44 AM UTC+1, Niels S. Eliasen wrote:
> >> Hello
> >> I noticed that the https://openvms-ng.com got cancelled....
> >> Any alternatives ?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> kind regards/mvh
> >>
> >> Niels S. Eliasen
> >>
> >> Eliasen Consult
> >> Oregaardsvaengevej 1
> >> DK-4720 Præstø
> >> Tel/Cell: +45 21779590
> >> mailto:ni...@eliasen.co
> >
> > I saw the message "IMPORTANT: Open VMS Next Generation Conference is cancelled due to lack of interest. The organizers apologize for any inconvenience."
> >
> > Who would organize an alternative with that lack of interest?
> >
> Put it into Copenhagen or such with a more central location to possible
> OpenVMS users. Croatia is nice from a vacation point of view, but maybe not
> the actual area there this event was planned.
>
> It might not be lack of interest for an OpenVMS event in general, just that
> this one was a bit "off" for many OpenVMS users.

I agree with Jan-Erik. The location was difficult for me and way to expensive. I don't have the time to make such a trip as much as I would enjoy both the location and conference. I wonder if multiple smaller localized conferences would be better received and attended?...

Dan

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by: Arne Vajhøj - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 23:16 UTC

On 7/25/2023 8:53 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2023-07-25 kl. 13:25, skrev Ian Miller:
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 11:56:44 AM UTC+1, Niels S. Eliasen wrote:
>>> I noticed that the https://openvms-ng.com got cancelled....
>>> Any alternatives ?
>>
>> I saw the message "IMPORTANT: Open VMS Next Generation Conference is
>> cancelled due to lack of interest. The organizers apologize for any
>> inconvenience."
>>
>> Who would organize an alternative with that lack of interest?
>
> Put it into Copenhagen or such with a more central location to possible
> OpenVMS users. Croatia is nice from a vacation point of view, but maybe
> not the actual area there this event was planned.
>
> It might not be lack of interest for an OpenVMS event in general, just
> that this one was a bit "off" for many OpenVMS users.

Copenhagen would not be a bad place for such an event.

VSI European office is in Copenhagen.

Based on a very small sample then it looks to me like
the biggest VMS countries in Europe today are UK, France and
Sweden. Copenhagen is sort of in the middle between those
and the flights would be short.

There are direct flights between Boston and Copenhagen
so it is also relative easy to get people from Massachusetts
in.

Arne

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by: Tom Wade - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 16:03 UTC

On 2023-07-25 13:53, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2023-07-25 kl. 13:25, skrev Ian Miller:

> Put it into Copenhagen or such with a more central location to possible
> OpenVMS users. Croatia is nice from a vacation point of view, but maybe
> not the actual area there this event was planned.
>
> It might not be lack of interest for an OpenVMS event in general, just
> that this one was a bit "off" for many OpenVMS users.

This is precisely why I didn't go in the end, even though I would be
keen to meet up at an OpenVMS event again. The location was an isolated
tourist location (great for a holiday), but cheap flights to nearby
airports didn't operate every day of the week, which would mean staying
three or more extra days. Also, getting from Venice to there would be a
costly car rental or ridiculously pricey coach or limo service (location
was not on any rail service).

If the event was in Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam, Brussels, Milan or
even a city in the US East coast, I'd have happily travelled from
Ireland, and I would expect many other people would too.

It would be a pity if it were concluded the lack of interest applied to
OpenVMS in general.

Tom Wade
tom dot wade at tomwade dot eu

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by: Jan-Erik Söderholm - Sat, 29 Jul 2023 10:47 UTC

Den 2023-07-28 kl. 18:03, skrev Tom Wade:
> On 2023-07-25 13:53, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2023-07-25 kl. 13:25, skrev Ian Miller:
>
>> Put it into Copenhagen or such with a more central location to possible
>> OpenVMS users. Croatia is nice from a vacation point of view, but maybe
>> not the actual area there this event was planned.
>>
>> It might not be lack of interest for an OpenVMS event in general, just
>> that this one was a bit "off" for many OpenVMS users.
>
> This is precisely why I didn't go in the end, even though I would be keen
> to meet up at an OpenVMS event again. The location was an isolated tourist
> location (great for a holiday), but cheap flights to nearby airports didn't
> operate every day of the week, which would mean staying three or more extra
> days. Also, getting from Venice to there would be a costly car rental or
> ridiculously pricey coach or limo service (location was not on any rail
> service).
>
> If the event was in Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam, Brussels, Milan or
> even a city in the US East coast, I'd have happily travelled from Ireland,
> and I would expect many other people would too.
>
> It would be a pity if it were concluded the lack of interest applied to
> OpenVMS in general.
>
> Tom Wade
> tom dot wade at tomwade dot eu
>

Well, even Split or Dubrovnik would probably have better communication if
you just had to be in Croatia...

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by: Simon Clubley - Mon, 31 Jul 2023 13:28 UTC

On 2023-07-28, Tom Wade <nospam@void.blackhole.mx> wrote:
> On 2023-07-25 13:53, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2023-07-25 kl. 13:25, skrev Ian Miller:
>
>> Put it into Copenhagen or such with a more central location to possible
>> OpenVMS users. Croatia is nice from a vacation point of view, but maybe
>> not the actual area there this event was planned.
>>
>> It might not be lack of interest for an OpenVMS event in general, just
>> that this one was a bit "off" for many OpenVMS users.
>
> This is precisely why I didn't go in the end, even though I would be
> keen to meet up at an OpenVMS event again. The location was an isolated
> tourist location (great for a holiday), but cheap flights to nearby
> airports didn't operate every day of the week, which would mean staying
> three or more extra days. Also, getting from Venice to there would be a
> costly car rental or ridiculously pricey coach or limo service (location
> was not on any rail service).
>

Does VSI have employees in Croatia ? I wonder if that is why it was chosen ?

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

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by: Robert A. Brooks - Mon, 31 Jul 2023 13:37 UTC

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by: Arne Vajhøj - Mon, 31 Jul 2023 22:50 UTC

On 7/31/2023 9:37 AM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
> On 7/31/2023 9:28 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> Does VSI have employees in Croatia ? I wonder if that is why it was
>> chosen ?
>
> We do not have employees there.

I always guessed that the location was chosen because the
organizers were from there.

But I don't know.

Arne

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by: Jan-Erik Söderholm - Tue, 1 Aug 2023 09:36 UTC

Den 2023-08-01 kl. 00:50, skrev Arne Vajhøj:
> On 7/31/2023 9:37 AM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
>> On 7/31/2023 9:28 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> Does VSI have employees in Croatia ? I wonder if that is why it was
>>> chosen ?
>>
>> We do not have employees there.
>
> I always guessed that the location was chosen because the
> organizers were from there.
>
> But I don't know.
>
> Arne
>
>

I guess that it was located to Croatia because that is a very popular
vacation area with a big tourist sectior. But that particular place might
not be in the most common area, it is more to the south with Dubrovnik and
Split...

And of course, the organizers doesn't have to be employed by VSI. :-)

Avoid strange women and temporary variables.

computers / comp.os.vms / openvms-ng cancelled ?

Subject	Author
openvms-ng cancelled ?	Niels S. Eliasen
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Ian Miller
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Simon Clubley
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Andy Burns
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Jan-Erik Söderholm
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Jan-Erik Söderholm
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	abrsvc
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Arne Vajhøj
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Tom Wade
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Jan-Erik Söderholm
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Simon Clubley
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Robert A. Brooks
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Arne Vajhøj
Re: openvms-ng cancelled ?	Jan-Erik Söderholm