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Re: 2FA issues

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From: spa...@nospam.com (Andy Burnelli)
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Subject: Re: 2FA issues
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 00:32:20 +0000
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 00:32 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> What's to stop Apple from digging into every iPhone in an autocratic country
>> to provide the government with the facial recognition results of each user?
>
> that it's impossible.

You said the same thing about independent contractors listening to Siri
snippets that identified your name, location, and what you said to your
doctor simply for wearing an Apple watch and raising your arm with your
iPhone in your pocket. And yet, it was.

You also said the same thing about the tags that Apple sells, and yet they
were used by criminals to stalk people. You were oh so confident that they
couldn't be used for that. And yet, they were.

The fact is Apple outsourced their camera results to a third party who
identified people (in this case those people were innocent apparently) who
were then arrested and when the lawsuit hit the fan, that's when we found
out what Apple was doing all along - Apple just forgot to tell us that.

And while this is about a larger face id problem set, I'm not the only one
concerned that using an insecure marketing gimmick like apple's facial id on
phones (which is advertised because people are stupid - they believe their
face is the most unique thing about them), the problem is well reported.
*A growing number of gadgets are scanning your face.*
<https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/7/3/21307873/facial-recognition-ban-law-enforcement-apple-google-facebook>

There's an amusing sentence in that detailed report about iPhones though:
"San Francisco, for example, had to amend its facial recognition ordinance
after it accidentally made police-department-owned iPhones illegal."

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 by: Alan - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 00:34 UTC

On 2022-03-09 4:32 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> What's to stop Apple from digging into every iPhone in an autocratic
>>> country
>>> to provide the government with the facial recognition results of each
>>> user?
>>
>> that it's impossible.
>
> You said the same thing about independent contractors listening to Siri
> snippets that identified your name, location, and what you said to your
> doctor simply for wearing an Apple watch and raising your arm with your
> iPhone in your pocket. And yet, it was.

No. That is complete and utter bullshit.

>
> You also said the same thing about the tags that Apple sells, and yet they
> were used by criminals to stalk people. You were oh so confident that they
> couldn't be used for that. And yet, they were.

And yet, they've created a system that lets you know you've had the same
tag traveling around with you.

>
> The fact is Apple outsourced their camera results to a third party who
> identified people (in this case those people were innocent apparently) who
> were then arrested and when the lawsuit hit the fan, that's when we found
> out what Apple was doing all along - Apple just forgot to tell us that.

Cite, please.

>
> And while this is about a larger face id problem set, I'm not the only one
> concerned that using an insecure marketing gimmick like apple's facial
> id on
> phones (which is advertised because people are stupid - they believe their
> face is the most unique thing about them), the problem is well reported.
> *A growing number of gadgets are scanning your face.*
> <https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/7/3/21307873/facial-recognition-ban-law-enforcement-apple-google-facebook>
>
>
> There's an amusing sentence in that detailed report about iPhones though:
> "San Francisco, for example, had to amend its facial recognition ordinance
>  after it accidentally made police-department-owned iPhones illegal."

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 by: Chris - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 19:23 UTC

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> "Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>>
>
>> | FWIW, my/our pre-paid providers have our name and address and can
>> | probably trace the topup transactions to a bank-account/credit-card
>> | number.
>>
>> Interesting. In the US none of that is required. I just
>> bought a phone and activated it.
>
> Is it pre-paid or postpaid (i.e. contract)? If pre-paid, how do you
> top up the credit? If postpaid, how do you pay? They don't know who you
> are, so they can't bill you and you can't pay them without becoming
> non-anonymous.
>
> [Rewind:]
>
> To anyone: How does the US address the problem of 'burner phones' used
> by criminals, terrorists, etc.?

They probably don't. It's the same in the uk. You can buy a SIM in shops as
well as phone without providing any details. Top ups are bought via a
voucher code which you send in with an automated call.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 00:13 UTC

In article <t0bgul$85g$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> You said the same thing about independent contractors listening to Siri
> snippets that identified your name, location, and what you said to your
> doctor simply for wearing an Apple watch and raising your arm with your
> iPhone in your pocket. And yet, it was.

i did not say any such thing nor is that even correct.

siri voice requests are detached from the user's apple id and there is
*no* way to link them back, by design.

however, sometimes people will say things to siri or other voice
assistants that contain identifying information.

unlike apple, google and amazon *will* link it back to the user.

> You also said the same thing about the tags that Apple sells, and yet they
> were used by criminals to stalk people. You were oh so confident that they
> couldn't be used for that. And yet, they were.

i never said that either.

any tracking tag can be used to stalk someone, something which airtags
are designed to minimize, one way by beeping when it's around someone
else's phone, making it the worst choice for stalking purposes.

airtags are designed for lost stuff (keys, wallet, backpack, etc.)

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 by: Chris - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 07:48 UTC

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> The fact is Apple is using FACE-ID to identify people in the Apple Store.

I'd LOVE to see a cite to back up that "fact".

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:36 UTC

Chris wrote:

>> The fact is Apple is using FACE-ID to identify people in the Apple Store.
>
> I'd LOVE to see a cite to back up that "fact".

You iKooks are always ignorant.
Don't you ever read the news, Chris?

It was widely published and we talked about it at the time, Chris.

We know about it because of the lawsuit where Apple admitted they outsourced
their in-store recordings to non-Apple personnel who either wrongly or
rightly identified someone in the store that Apple wanted to know who it was
(the lawsuit is confusing on the accuracy of the resulting ID though).

Whether or not the wrong person was convicted, and whether or not the
resulting lawsuit proceeded to completion, the point was that Apple has
cameras in the store whose recording is routinely used to identify people by
their faces.

Apple openly admitted that fact.
We discussed this Chris, so for you to be unaware is just typical of iKooks.
--
Apple only tells the truth in court.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:48 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> The fact is Apple is using FACE-ID to identify people in the Apple Store.
>
> no they're not. face id is limited to iphones and ipads, and only to
> unlock them after the owner enables face id and trains it on their own
> face. it cannot be used for surveillance video. full stop.

I wasn't talking about the face identification on the phone but in the store
from the video that Apple records of everyone while they're inside the
store.

You know that because you participated on the conversation we had on this
very topic long ago, nospam, and it was widely reported almost everywhere.

I do readily admit that the whole affair was confusing because the student
filed a billion dollar lawsuit against Apple for "facial recognition
software" and that Apple denied much of what happened but I don't trust a
word from Apple that isn't done explicitly under oath inside a court of law.
--
Apple only tells the truth in court.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 14:00 UTC

nospam wrote:

> siri voice requests are detached from the user's apple id and there is
> *no* way to link them back, by design.

That's dead wrong.

What's worse than you iKooks brazenly denying all facts about Apple you hate
is you iKooks can never remember facts about Apple we already discussed at
length when the shit hit the fan about Apple's outsourced Siri recordings.

This information was widely publicized at the time it was reported, and
Apple did not deny a single word of what the informant said about the data.

The informant said very clearly in the reports widely published in the media
that Siri recordings of even drug deals and private conversations in bed and
at the doctor's office were sent, unredacted, to non-Apple contract
employees overseas.

> unlike apple, google and amazon *will* link it back to the user.

You iKooks always blame everyone else for flaws in your beloved products.
As if Apple has no free will.
> airtags are designed for lost stuff (keys, wallet, backpack, etc.)

You always resort to what Apple's "designs" things for, and yet Apple is the
one telling all of us "you're holding it wrong" due to their shitty designs.

Apple has shitty design teams, nospam.
Apple's expenditure in R&D is the _lowest_ in all of high tech, nospam.

Do you want to even get started on Apple's atrocious QA testing?
HINT: They shipped the same bug more than once (even after it was fixed!).

Saying how Apple "prefers" you to use the things is meaningless...
What matters is how they are used.

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 by: Chris - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:42 UTC

On 11/03/2022 13:36, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
>>> The fact is Apple is using FACE-ID to identify people in the Apple
>>> Store.
>>
>> I'd LOVE to see a cite to back up that "fact".
>
> You iKooks are always ignorant.
> Don't you ever read the news, Chris?
>
> It was widely published

Good so why not share the cite?

> and we talked about it at the time, Chris.

No. "We" did not.

>
> We know about it because of the lawsuit where Apple admitted they
> outsourced
> their in-store recordings to non-Apple personnel who either wrongly or
> rightly identified someone in the store that Apple wanted to know who it
> was
> (the lawsuit is confusing on the accuracy of the resulting ID though).
>
> Whether or not the wrong person was convicted, and whether or not the
> resulting lawsuit proceeded to completion, the point was that Apple has
> cameras in the store whose recording is routinely used to identify
> people by
> their faces.

That. is. not. FaceID.

Shops have had cameras recording people's faces for *decades*. That's
the whole fucking point of CCTV.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:19 UTC

Chris wrote:

>> It was widely published
>
> Good so why not share the cite?

Chris,
Don't any of you ill-educated low-IQ ignorant iKooks know how to search?
If I said it's widely reported, then _everyone_ knew about it at the time.

*Apple sued over false arrest linked to facial recognition tech*
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/23/student-sues-apple-for-1-billion-over-false-arrest-linked-to-facial-recognition-tech>
"An 18-year-old student launched a $1 billion lawsuit against Apple
and an associated security firm on Monday, accusing the pair of
falsely linking him to a series of store thefts. At fault is the
company's in-store facial recognition software, according to a
complaint filed on behalf of Ousmane Bah. The security firm named
in the case is Security Industry Specialists. Both it and Apple
have declined comment."

As I said the lawsuit was confusing, mostly because Apple only tells
the truth when forced to in court, which means for a long time we only
had one side of the story but what matters isn't how the case proceeded
but what Apple actually did by having Security Industry Specialists
identify people by their faces using their in-store camera recordings.

> No. "We" did not.

The "We" was the same we I always use to indicate newsgroup (which in
this case was the iPhone newsgroup because it was related to Apple).

Always, you extremely low-IQ iKooks are Dunning Kruger Quadrant 1.
You're so confident in being wrong, just like the lemon-juice robber was.

If I said it was posted to the newsgroups, then it was posted there.
Don't any of you ignorant low-IQ childish iKooks know how to run a search?
*Apple spins yet another bold lie - this one about facial recognition
software run on store customers*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/u1WegfQIo04>

>> We know about it because of the lawsuit where Apple admitted they
>> outsourced
>> their in-store recordings to non-Apple personnel who either wrongly or
>> rightly identified someone in the store that Apple wanted to know who it
>> was
>> (the lawsuit is confusing on the accuracy of the resulting ID though).
>>
>> Whether or not the wrong person was convicted, and whether or not the
>> resulting lawsuit proceeded to completion, the point was that Apple has
>> cameras in the store whose recording is routinely used to identify
>> people by
>> their faces.
>
> That. is. not. FaceID.

You're the one who misunderstood as I always knew what it was.
I posted what it was at the time it happened, for heavens sake.

And you are _still_ completely unaware of it even as it was widely reported.
> Shops have had cameras recording people's faces for *decades*.
> That's the whole fucking point of CCTV.

When we discussed this in April of 2019 all we knew was the news stories
as Apple _refused_ to comment (as did the security company Apple hired).

This is the link I provided in the thread to the Apple newsgroup back then.
*Man sues Apple for $1 billion, claims facial recognition software*
*led to his false arrest*
<https://thegrio.com/2019/04/23/apple-lawsuit-false-arrest-billion-lawsuit/>
"A New York man claims facial recognition technology led to him being
erroneously arrested for stealing from several of their stores,
but that came from a glitch in their technology. The piece of
identification the thief had on him during the arrest listed Bah's name,
address and other personal information, but did not include a photo.
Bah says Apple was negligent for taking the actual perpetrator at his
word and not verifying who the thief was with a proper photo I.D.
As a result of this oversight, Apple then programmed all of its
security systems to recognize the man's face as Bah's. When the same
thief later robbed Apple stores in New Jersey, Delaware and New York,
Bah was then falsely blamed for all the crimes, the suit claims.
He had no idea any of this was going on till he received a
Boston municipal court summons in the mail in June."

At the time Apple refused to comment but more information is out now.
Apple should have cleared it up immediately as numerous reports cited this.
--
The sad fact is Apple only tells the truth when they're forced to in court.

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 by: Chris - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 00:18 UTC

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
>>> We know about it because of the lawsuit where Apple admitted they
>>> outsourced
>>> their in-store recordings to non-Apple personnel who either wrongly or
>>> rightly identified someone in the store that Apple wanted to know who it
>>> was
>>> (the lawsuit is confusing on the accuracy of the resulting ID though).
>>>
>>> Whether or not the wrong person was convicted, and whether or not the
>>> resulting lawsuit proceeded to completion, the point was that Apple has
>>> cameras in the store whose recording is routinely used to identify
>>> people by
>>> their faces.
>>
>> That. is. not. FaceID.
>
> You're the one who misunderstood as I always knew what it was.
> I posted what it was at the time it happened, for heavens sake.

There's no misunderstanding. You claimed it was FaceID despite knowing it
wasn't. You're liar. Plain and simple.

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 by: Alan - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 00:21 UTC

On 2022-03-11 4:18 p.m., Chris wrote:
> Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>
>>>> We know about it because of the lawsuit where Apple admitted they
>>>> outsourced
>>>> their in-store recordings to non-Apple personnel who either wrongly or
>>>> rightly identified someone in the store that Apple wanted to know who it
>>>> was
>>>> (the lawsuit is confusing on the accuracy of the resulting ID though).
>>>>
>>>> Whether or not the wrong person was convicted, and whether or not the
>>>> resulting lawsuit proceeded to completion, the point was that Apple has
>>>> cameras in the store whose recording is routinely used to identify
>>>> people by
>>>> their faces.
>>>
>>> That. is. not. FaceID.
>>
>> You're the one who misunderstood as I always knew what it was.
>> I posted what it was at the time it happened, for heavens sake.
>
> There's no misunderstanding. You claimed it was FaceID despite knowing it
> wasn't. You're liar. Plain and simple.
>

Expect to be in Arlen's killfile soon.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 03:26 UTC

Chris wrote:

>> You're the one who misunderstood as I always knew what it was.
>> I posted what it was at the time it happened, for heavens sake.
>
> There's no misunderstanding. You claimed it was FaceID despite knowing it
> wasn't. You're liar. Plain and simple.

Hmmm... let's follow this logic, shall we...

a. I _knew_ all about the story; you didn't even know it existed.
b. That's _already_ a bad sign for you; as it was _widely_ reported.
c. I _said_ we discussed it; you flatly denied that fact.
d. I proved it and then you _still_ claim I "lied".
e. I said the story was widely reported; and you didn't even search.
f. You demanded a cite; which proves _you_ were the ignorant one here.
g. I provided _multiple_ cites (and could have provided dozens more).
h. Now you claim your misunderstanding of the facts is my "lie".

This reminds me of the classic child-like behavior of you iKooks...
Child: Santa exists.
Adult: No it doesn't.
Child: But I saw him at the mall.
Adult: That was just a clever marketing trick; he wore a costume.
Child: No. It _was_ Santa. I saw him. He was there!
Adult: Unfortunately, Santa is just a marketing gimmick son.
Child: No. I saw him in all the Apple & CocaCola advertisements.
Adult: That is just a _picture_ of a mythical character son.
Child: But _everyone_ has the same picture!
Adult: That's just clever marketing, son. Santa doesn't exist.
Child: Prove it!
(This discussion goes on forever with the iKooks culminating in...)
Child: You are an asshole. Liar! Liar... Liar... Pants on fire!

You are that child whose entire belief system is instantly destroyed
by something as simple and innocent as a mere fact.

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 by: Chris - Sun, 13 Mar 2022 20:14 UTC

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
>>> You're the one who misunderstood as I always knew what it was.
>>> I posted what it was at the time it happened, for heavens sake.
>>
>> There's no misunderstanding. You claimed it was FaceID despite knowing it
>> wasn't. You're liar. Plain and simple.
>
> Hmmm... let's follow this logic, shall we...
>
> a. I _knew_ all about the story; you didn't even know it existed.
> b. That's _already_ a bad sign for you; as it was _widely_ reported.
> c. I _said_ we discussed it; you flatly denied that fact.
> d. I proved it and then you _still_ claim I "lied".
> e. I said the story was widely reported; and you didn't even search.
> f. You demanded a cite; which proves _you_ were the ignorant one here.
> g. I provided _multiple_ cites (and could have provided dozens more).
> h. Now you claim your misunderstanding of the facts is my "lie".

Except that's not what happened, is it? Let's see the reality shall we?

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/03/2022 13:36, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>
>>>> The fact is Apple is using FACE-ID to identify people in the Apple
>>>> Store.
>>>
>>> I'd LOVE to see a cite to back up that "fact".
>>
>> You iKooks are always ignorant.
>> Don't you ever read the news, Chris?
>>
>> It was widely published
>>
>> We know about it because of the lawsuit where Apple admitted they
>> outsourced
>> their in-store recordings to non-Apple personnel who either wrongly or
>> rightly identified someone in the store that Apple wanted to know who it
>> was
>> (the lawsuit is confusing on the accuracy of the resulting ID though).
>>
>> Whether or not the wrong person was convicted, and whether or not the
>> resulting lawsuit proceeded to completion, the point was that Apple has
>> cameras in the store whose recording is routinely used to identify
>> people by
>> their faces.
>
> That. is. not. FaceID.
>
> Shops have had cameras recording people's faces for *decades*. That's
> the whole fucking point of CCTV.
>

You made a claim about FaceID which was clearly wrong and given the fact
that you knew the story very well makes it clear you knowingly lied.

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 by: Alan - Sun, 13 Mar 2022 20:44 UTC

On 2022-03-13 1:14 p.m., Chris wrote:
> Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>
>>>> You're the one who misunderstood as I always knew what it was.
>>>> I posted what it was at the time it happened, for heavens sake.
>>>
>>> There's no misunderstanding. You claimed it was FaceID despite knowing it
>>> wasn't. You're liar. Plain and simple.
>>
>> Hmmm... let's follow this logic, shall we...
>>
>> a. I _knew_ all about the story; you didn't even know it existed.
>> b. That's _already_ a bad sign for you; as it was _widely_ reported.
>> c. I _said_ we discussed it; you flatly denied that fact.
>> d. I proved it and then you _still_ claim I "lied".
>> e. I said the story was widely reported; and you didn't even search.
>> f. You demanded a cite; which proves _you_ were the ignorant one here.
>> g. I provided _multiple_ cites (and could have provided dozens more).
>> h. Now you claim your misunderstanding of the facts is my "lie".
>
> Except that's not what happened, is it? Let's see the reality shall we?
>
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/03/2022 13:36, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The fact is Apple is using FACE-ID to identify people in the Apple
>>>>> Store.
>>>>
>>>> I'd LOVE to see a cite to back up that "fact".
>>>
>>> You iKooks are always ignorant.
>>> Don't you ever read the news, Chris?
>>>
>>> It was widely published
>>>
>>> We know about it because of the lawsuit where Apple admitted they
>>> outsourced
>>> their in-store recordings to non-Apple personnel who either wrongly or
>>> rightly identified someone in the store that Apple wanted to know who it
>>> was
>>> (the lawsuit is confusing on the accuracy of the resulting ID though).
>>>
>>> Whether or not the wrong person was convicted, and whether or not the
>>> resulting lawsuit proceeded to completion, the point was that Apple has
>>> cameras in the store whose recording is routinely used to identify
>>> people by
>>> their faces.
>>
>> That. is. not. FaceID.
>>
>> Shops have had cameras recording people's faces for *decades*. That's
>> the whole fucking point of CCTV.
>>
>
> You made a claim about FaceID which was clearly wrong and given the fact
> that you knew the story very well makes it clear you knowingly lied.
>

Any moment now, Arlen will announce your killfiling...

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 13 Mar 2022 23:16 UTC

Chris wrote:

> You made a claim about FaceID which was clearly wrong and given the fact
> that you knew the story very well makes it clear you knowingly lied.

The fact I knew all along what it was and you didn't know _anything_ about
it is already worrisome as it means you know absolutely nothing about Apple.

Worse than you knowing absolutely nothing about what Apple really does, is
that you claimed it was wrong without even bothering to look up the lawsuit.

Then you claimed we never posted it to the Apple newsgroups, which again
shows that you based all your claims without knowing what everyone knows.

Now you claim that you misunderstood what I said, and that fits perfectly.
--
Apple can't make those ungodly profits off of an intelligent user base.

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 by: Chris - Mon, 14 Mar 2022 11:05 UTC

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
>> You made a claim about FaceID which was clearly wrong and given the fact
>> that you knew the story very well makes it clear you knowingly lied.
>

[ snip of irrelevance ]

>
> Now you claim that you misunderstood what I said, and that fits perfectly.

Nope. *You* claimed I misunderstood. There's nothing to misunderstand.
You're plain wrong.

Either prove that FaceID is being used by Apple to identify people with
in-store cameras or STFU.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Mon, 14 Mar 2022 18:25 UTC

Chris wrote:

> Either prove that FaceID is being used by Apple to identify people with
> in-store cameras or STFU.

Chris,
It was you who didn't know about what _everyone_ knows about that lawsuit.
As always, I'm very well aware of what Apple does and you iKooks are not.

Apple is forced to tell the truth when their actions show up in the courts.

You brazenly denied all facts without even clicking on referenced cites.
It's what you iKooks do.

You didn't even _read_ what they said before brazenly denying all facts.
It's what you iKooks do.

You completely whooshed on what Apple is doing and then you denied it.
It's what you iKooks do.

You iKooks will deny Apple does what Apple does forever.
Why?

I don't know why.
I suspect you simply _hate_ what Apple does.
--
The only time Apple ever tells the truth is when forced to, in court.

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 by: Chris - Tue, 15 Mar 2022 07:47 UTC

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
>> Either prove that FaceID is being used by Apple to identify people with
>> in-store cameras or STFU.
>
> Chris,
> It was you who didn't know about

You can't prove it. Got it.

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