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* Double telephone ringknuttle
+* Re: Double telephone ringVanguardLH
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||`* Re: Double telephone ringAJL
|| `* Re: Double telephone ringCarlos E.R.
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||  |`* Re: Double telephone ringKen Blake
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||  | `- Re: Double telephone ringVanguardLH
||  `- Re: Double telephone ringKen Blake
|`* Re: Double telephone ringknuttle
| `- Re: Double telephone ringVanguardLH
`* Re: Double telephone ringCarlos E.R.
 +* Re: Double telephone ringJoerg Lorenz
 |`- Re: Double telephone ringCarlos E.R.
 `* Re: Double telephone ringNic
  `- Re: Double telephone ringCarlos E.R.

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Subject: Double telephone ring
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 by: knuttle - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 19:16 UTC

It takes me a while to hear the first or second ring and then to find the
phone and then to find my glasses to finally access the accept buttons.

How can the length of time the Android phone rings be doubled or tripled?

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 by: VanguardLH - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 21:31 UTC

knuttle wrote:

> It takes me a while to hear the first or second ring and then to find
> the phone and then to find my glasses to finally access the accept
> buttons.
>
> How can the length of time the Android phone rings be doubled or
> tripled?

Check the settings in your voicemail service to see if you can up the
ring count before answer. Usually the default is 6 rings, or about 30
seconds, when voicemail picks up the call. Not all carriers let you
configure the ring count on answer for their voicemail service. If you
have voicemail disabled, or for no voicemail service, I believe the max
ring count is 10 for when the service disconnects the incomplete call
(no answer).

Re: Double telephone ring

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From: robin_li...@es.invalid (Carlos E.R.)
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Subject: Re: Double telephone ring
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 by: Carlos E.R. - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 21:53 UTC

On 2022-03-18 20:16, knuttle wrote:
> It takes me a while to hear the first or second ring and then to find the
> phone and then to find my glasses to finally access the accept buttons.
>
> How can the length of time the Android phone rings be doubled or tripled?

Not up to you: the A party decides how long to wait.

Unless you have some automatic answering service, or the timeout hits
(maybe a minute?), but this is up to the Telco, not you.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 22:41 UTC

Am 18.03.22 um 22:53 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2022-03-18 20:16, knuttle wrote:
>> It takes me a while to hear the first or second ring and then to find the
>> phone and then to find my glasses to finally access the accept buttons.
>>
>> How can the length of time the Android phone rings be doubled or tripled?
>
> Not up to you: the A party decides how long to wait.

False: There are technical limits as VanguardLH correctly claims.

> Unless you have some automatic answering service, or the timeout hits
> (maybe a minute?), but this is up to the Telco, not you.

I have done it a couple of times: The telco can make changes to
individualise the maximum number of rings.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

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 by: Nic - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 23:34 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> this is up to the Telco, not you.

Don't know if it will work but you might be able to tell the phone app to
play a really long ringtone if the Telco counts that as the number of rings.

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 by: VanguardLH - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 23:53 UTC

VanguardLH wrote:

> knuttle wrote:
>
>> It takes me a while to hear the first or second ring and then to find
>> the phone and then to find my glasses to finally access the accept
>> buttons.
>>
>> How can the length of time the Android phone rings be doubled or
>> tripled?
>
> Check the settings in your voicemail service to see if you can up the
> ring count before answer. Usually the default is 6 rings, or about 30
> seconds, when voicemail picks up the call. Not all carriers let you
> configure the ring count on answer for their voicemail service. If you
> have voicemail disabled, or for no voicemail service, I believe the max
> ring count is 10 for when the service disconnects the incomplete call
> (no answer).

Alternatively, you could graft the phone onto your body as seems an ever
increasing behavior as users just must have their phones always on them.
If you've got a dumb or low-entry level flip phone, those fit easily in
any pocket.

If you don't have a wifi cellular adapter (aka femotocell), and to
eliminate having to buy a call plan for every cell phone, you might be
able to use one of your smartphones as a wifi hotspot.

Or, you could have multiple phones laying around to allow for shorter
distances to get to them. That means each would need a calling plan.
Even if you get multiple phones on a account, a multi-phone account
usually costs more, so you're paying more to use more phones.

If you are in the USA, you can get a Google Voice account. That acts as
a PBX frontend to all your phones (mobile, landline, home, work, etc).
Calls to your Google Voice number can go to every phone you have at
home, at work, or wherever else someone might call you. All the linked
phones use simultaneous ring: all phones added to your GV account ring
at the same time. You could add all your cellular phones and all your
landline phone. With landline phones, you likely have multiple phone
jacks in your residence, so you could not only have multiple cell phones
powered on around your house, but also multiple (wired or cordless)
phones in your home which would put them much closer to wherever you are
a the time. Since you have Internet at home, you can get a converter
box (e.g., Obitalk, Ooma) that lets you connect landline phones (wired
or sharing a cordless base station) to the converter which connects to
the GV account for both inbound and outbound calls.

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 by: AJL - Sat, 19 Mar 2022 03:33 UTC

On 3/18/2022 4:53 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

> you [OP] could have multiple phones laying around to allow for
> shorter distances to get to them. That means each would need a
> calling plan. Even if you get multiple phones on a account, a
> multi-phone account usually costs more, so you're paying more to use
> more phones.

> You could add all your cellular phones and all your landline phone.
> With landline phones, you likely have multiple phone jacks in your
> residence, so you could not only have multiple cell phones powered on
> around your house, but also multiple (wired or cordless) phones in
> your home which would put them much closer to wherever you are a the
> time.

It would probably be easier just to buy a cordless phone set that has
Bluetooth capability to connect to a cell phone. I had a set some years
back. The cell phone remotely rang all the cordless phones and you could
answer and talk on the nearest one. It was very handy until I got rid of
the landline.

Now if I don't make it to the cell before the caller gives up I just hit
that little button that calls them back. Easy peasy...

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:15 UTC

On 2022-03-19 04:33, AJL wrote:
> On 3/18/2022 4:53 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> you [OP] could have multiple phones laying around to allow for
>> shorter distances to get to them.  That means each would need a
>> calling plan. Even if you get multiple phones on a account, a
>> multi-phone account usually costs more, so you're paying more to use
>> more phones.
>
>> You could add all your cellular phones and all your landline phone.
>> With landline phones, you likely have multiple phone jacks in your
>> residence, so you could not only have multiple cell phones powered on
>> around your house, but also multiple (wired or cordless) phones in
>> your home which would put them much closer to wherever you are a the
>> time.
>
> It would probably be easier just to buy a cordless phone set that has
> Bluetooth capability to connect to a cell phone. I had a set some years
> back. The cell phone remotely rang all the cordless phones and you could
> answer and talk on the nearest one. It was very handy until I got rid of
> the landline.
>
> Now if I don't make it to the cell before the caller gives up I just hit
> that little button that calls them back. Easy peasy...

Huh. I never do that unless I really know the caller. There are nasty
surprises over there...

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:13 UTC

On 2022-03-18 23:41, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 18.03.22 um 22:53 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2022-03-18 20:16, knuttle wrote:
>>> It takes me a while to hear the first or second ring and then to find the
>>> phone and then to find my glasses to finally access the accept buttons.
>>>
>>> How can the length of time the Android phone rings be doubled or tripled?
>>
>> Not up to you: the A party decides how long to wait.
>
> False: There are technical limits as VanguardLH correctly claims.

Which I mentioned.

>
>> Unless you have some automatic answering service, or the timeout hits
>> (maybe a minute?), but this is up to the Telco, not you.
>
> I have done it a couple of times: The telco can make changes to
> individualise the maximum number of rings.

Nice telco.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:14 UTC

On 2022-03-19 00:34, Nic wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> this is up to the Telco, not you.
>
> Don't know if it will work but you might be able to tell the phone app to
> play a really long ringtone if the Telco counts that as the number of rings.

No, it doesn't.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: AJL - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 14:50 UTC

On 3/22/2022 5:15 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2022-03-19 04:33, AJL wrote:

>> if I don't make it to the cell before the caller gives up I just
>> hit that little button that calls them back.

> Huh. I never do that unless I really know the caller. There are
> nasty surprises over there...

If my phone rings I DO know the caller. I have it set up to only ring if
the caller is on my contact list...

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:50 UTC

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:15:49 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2022-03-19 04:33, AJL wrote:
>> On 3/18/2022 4:53 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> you [OP] could have multiple phones laying around to allow for
>>> shorter distances to get to them.  That means each would need a
>>> calling plan. Even if you get multiple phones on a account, a
>>> multi-phone account usually costs more, so you're paying more to use
>>> more phones.
>>
>>> You could add all your cellular phones and all your landline phone.
>>> With landline phones, you likely have multiple phone jacks in your
>>> residence, so you could not only have multiple cell phones powered on
>>> around your house, but also multiple (wired or cordless) phones in
>>> your home which would put them much closer to wherever you are a the
>>> time.
>>
>> It would probably be easier just to buy a cordless phone set that has
>> Bluetooth capability to connect to a cell phone. I had a set some years
>> back. The cell phone remotely rang all the cordless phones and you could
>> answer and talk on the nearest one. It was very handy until I got rid of
>> the landline.
>>
>> Now if I don't make it to the cell before the caller gives up I just hit
>> that little button that calls them back. Easy peasy...
>
>Huh. I never do that unless I really know the caller. There are nasty
>surprises over there...

Moreover something like 90% of the calls I get are from a spammer or
scammer.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:51 UTC

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 07:50:51 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>On 3/22/2022 5:15 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2022-03-19 04:33, AJL wrote:
>
>>> if I don't make it to the cell before the caller gives up I just
>>> hit that little button that calls them back.
>
>> Huh. I never do that unless I really know the caller. There are
>> nasty surprises over there...
>
>If my phone rings I DO know the caller. I have it set up to only ring if
>the caller is on my contact list...

I would never choose to do that. Every now and then I get an important
call from someone not on my contact list.

--
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 by: AJL - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:26 UTC

On 3/22/2022 9:51 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>> If my phone rings I know the caller. I have it set up to only
>> ring if the caller is on my contact list...

> I would never choose to do that.

We're both glad you're not me. Translation: YMMV...

> Every now and then I get an important call from someone not on my
> contact list.

Me too. Not very often but when it does happen Voicemail still works...

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 by: knuttle - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:33 UTC

On 3/18/2022 9:31 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

> Check the settings in your voicemail service to see if you can up the
> ring count before answer.

If it allows six rings, and if each ring tone is 30 seconds, does that ring
for a longer period of time if each ring tone is only 10 seconds?

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 by: VanguardLH - Wed, 23 Mar 2022 06:44 UTC

Ken Blake wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 07:50:51 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>>On 3/22/2022 5:15 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-19 04:33, AJL wrote:
>>
>>>> if I don't make it to the cell before the caller gives up I just
>>>> hit that little button that calls them back.
>>
>>> Huh. I never do that unless I really know the caller. There are
>>> nasty surprises over there...
>>
>>If my phone rings I DO know the caller. I have it set up to only ring if
>>the caller is on my contact list...
>
> I would never choose to do that. Every now and then I get an important
> call from someone not on my contact list.

I do something similar by using different ring tones. The default ring
tone is very soft, but I can hear it when the phone is on me, not across
the room (well, I can faintly hear it, but it won't wake me). For my
contacts, I use a very loud ring tone. When my phone rings, I know if
it is for a contact or unknown.

For example, while I have the car shop's phone number in my contacts
list, they call from a different phone number. I have my car in for
repair, they call me, and I hear the soft ring to decide whether to
answer or not. Since I know my car is in the shop, they were working on
it today, then there's a chance the unknown caller is the car shop.

In addition, for anyone not in my contacts list, they get screened.
When the call gets picked up, unknown callers are prompted to give their
name. When I answer, I can choose to pick up the call depending on who
they say they are. Spammers and wrong dialers just hang up at the
prompt to leave their name, so screening got rid of them.

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 by: VanguardLH - Wed, 23 Mar 2022 06:49 UTC

knuttle wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Check the settings in your voicemail service to see if you can up the
>> ring count before answer.
>
> If it allows six rings, and if each ring tone is 30 seconds, does that ring
> for a longer period of time if each ring tone is only 10 seconds?

Nope. Neither the caller's service nor your own know what ring tone you
use on your phone. The standard ring interval is 6 seconds. The
service will disconnect if more than 10 rings elapse (60 seconds).
Voicemail is often configured to pick up at 5 or 6 rings (30-36
seconds).

Ring tones on your phone are independent and irrelevant to the ring
interval and counts. You could have your phone play "The Rise and Fall
of Bossanova" (13+ hours) as its ring tone. The services at the caller
and recipient ends could care less what noise your phone makes.

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