> SIGINFO on FreeBSD.

JB> I think all BSD systems (including OSX). And the nice thing being that
JB> SIGINFO can be made to be generated when you hit ^T (or whatever other
JB> character you fancy).

Wow, I wish Linux had that feature.

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On 2023-09-05 21:31, candycane wrote:
> > SIGINFO on FreeBSD.
>
> JB> I think all BSD systems (including OSX). And the nice thing being that
> JB> SIGINFO can be made to be generated when you hit ^T (or whatever other
> JB> character you fancy).
>
> Wow, I wish Linux had that feature.

Indeed. It's kindof actually a mystery to me why Linux have not adopted
this...

Johnny

On 06/09/2023 16:28, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2023-09-05 21:31, candycane wrote:
>>   > SIGINFO on FreeBSD.
>>
>>   JB> I think all BSD systems (including OSX). And the nice thing
>> being that
>>   JB> SIGINFO can be made to be generated when you hit ^T (or whatever
>> other
>>   JB> character you fancy).
>>
>> Wow, I wish Linux had that feature.
>
> Indeed. It's kindof actually a mystery to me why Linux have not adopted
> this...
>
>   Johnny

Did the use of Ctrl-T start with VMS, or is it used elsewhere?

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On 2023-09-06, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Did the use of Ctrl-T start with VMS, or is it used elsewhere?
>

No. It was in use way before VMS.

RSTS/E had it and IIRC at least one of the PDP-10 operating systems had it.

Simon.

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On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:15:37 AM UTC-7, Chris Townley wrote:

(snip)

> Did the use of Ctrl-T start with VMS, or is it used elsewhere?

I remember it for TOPS-10 which I used in 1976.
My first use of a DEC OS.

I think it even works when you are not logged in.

On 06/09/2023 20:33, gah4 wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:15:37 AM UTC-7, Chris Townley wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> Did the use of Ctrl-T start with VMS, or is it used elsewhere?
>
> I remember it for TOPS-10 which I used in 1976.
> My first use of a DEC OS.
>
> I think it even works when you are not logged in.

That is impressive!

I only remember it from VMS - not that advanced on the PDP 11/44. Useful
generally, but I loved the way on backup it would show you the file
being processed. Never come across it elsewhere

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On 9/6/2023 11:28 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2023-09-05 21:31, candycane wrote:
>>   > SIGINFO on FreeBSD.
>>
>>   JB> I think all BSD systems (including OSX). And the nice thing
>> being that
>>   JB> SIGINFO can be made to be generated when you hit ^T (or whatever
>> other
>>   JB> character you fancy).
>>
>> Wow, I wish Linux had that feature.
>
> Indeed. It's kindof actually a mystery to me why Linux have not adopted
> this...
>

Based on the comments that followed this I can easily see why
Linux doesn't have it. Most of the BSD people either have been
around since this was popular or have followed the rest of us
rather closely. Linux people are mostly those with no real
long term history in the Unix (or other real OS) world and
would rather worship at the altar of Stallman than actually
do real computers and OSes.

bill

On 9/6/2023 4:13 PM, bill wrote:
> On 9/6/2023 11:28 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2023-09-05 21:31, candycane wrote:
>>>   > SIGINFO on FreeBSD.
>>>
>>>   JB> I think all BSD systems (including OSX). And the nice thing
>>> being that
>>>   JB> SIGINFO can be made to be generated when you hit ^T (or
>>> whatever other
>>>   JB> character you fancy).
>>>
>>> Wow, I wish Linux had that feature.
>>
>> Indeed. It's kindof actually a mystery to me why Linux have not
>> adopted this...
>
> Based on the comments that followed this I can easily see why
> Linux doesn't have it.  Most of the BSD people either have been
> around since this was popular or have followed the rest of us
> rather closely.  Linux people are mostly those with no real
> long term history in the Unix (or other real OS) world and
> would rather worship at the altar of Stallman than actually
> do real computers and OSes.

Linux has been around for almost 32 years. Not as long as Unix,
but most would call it long term.

And Linus Torvalds has expressed skepticism/criticism of RMS & FSF
many times - "worship" is not even close to reality.

Arne

On 2023-09-06 18:15, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 06/09/2023 16:28, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2023-09-05 21:31, candycane wrote:
>>>   > SIGINFO on FreeBSD.
>>>
>>>   JB> I think all BSD systems (including OSX). And the nice thing
>>> being that
>>>   JB> SIGINFO can be made to be generated when you hit ^T (or
>>> whatever other
>>>   JB> character you fancy).
>>>
>>> Wow, I wish Linux had that feature.
>>
>> Indeed. It's kindof actually a mystery to me why Linux have not
>> adopted this...
>>
>>    Johnny
>
> Did the use of Ctrl-T start with VMS, or is it used elsewhere?

Both Tops-10, TOPS-20 and RSTS/E have it. Not sure what other systems
might also have had this.

Johnny

Chris Townley wrote:
> Did the use of Ctrl-T start with VMS, or is it used elsewhere?

It's much older than VMS. As per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_key,
it looks like it started with BBN LISP on the SDS 940. I'm not sure if
the Ctrl-T feature was in the 940 timesharing system, but in any case it
was copied to TENEX. I will have to look into whether TOPS-10 got it
before or after TENEX; so far it looks like after.

Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote:
>On 2023-09-06 18:15, Chris Townley wrote:
>>
>> Did the use of Ctrl-T start with VMS, or is it used elsewhere?
>
>Both Tops-10, TOPS-20 and RSTS/E have it. Not sure what other systems
>might also have had this.

BRL Unix was the first system I encountered it on, and I thought it was
so cool.
--scott

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