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I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.

Would anyone here happen to have software for this in their archives?
I know that it is in the Don Maslin collection -

Date 1983
Description
Personally-labeled; 5 1/4 inch floppy disk (2); disk labels:
1-2) System disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]
3-4) Program disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]

Any help would be so appreciated. Thank you!

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I'm not sure which version you are wanting. I searched the Maslin Archive for two strings
"CPM80" & "CPM22" and came up with these files:

[code] "cpm80"
128372 1991-01-04 05:18 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm8022h.td0
287088 1991-01-04 06:21 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm8022n.td0
116278 1991-01-04 01:13 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822k1.td0
116418 1991-01-04 05:30 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822k2.td0
313878 1991-01-04 05:57 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822ld.td0

128372 1991-01-04 05:18 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm8022h.td0
287088 1991-01-04 06:21 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm8022n.td0
287524 1997-01-15 04:00 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm8022q.td0
116278 1991-01-04 01:13 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822k1.td0
116418 1991-01-04 05:30 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822k2.td0
313878 1991-01-04 05:57 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822ld.td0

"CPM22"
0 2012-12-06 18:13 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/
166 1991-10-04 05:58 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/-index
24011 1990-09-17 05:27 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/bdos22.zip
61968 1991-05-02 00:04 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/cpm22dri.td0

0 2012-12-06 19:20 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/
715 1996-09-11 21:50 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/-index
86967 1996-08-06 05:14 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/cpm22041.td0
53418 1996-08-06 05:17 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/cpm22042.td0
70547 1996-08-06 05:20 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/cpm22043.td0
84307 1996-08-05 04:56 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/cpm2204s.td0

0 2012-12-06 19:09 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/lobo/
342 1996-01-28 02:06 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/lobo/-index
76340 1995-01-18 06:14 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/lobo/lcpm22.td0

647 1995-08-22 05:52 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/-index
99554 1990-10-06 23:11 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22.zip
220026 1990-10-07 00:25 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22dd.td0
63500 1990-10-06 23:48 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22hd.zip
124816 1990-10-06 23:45 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22hds.td0
113438 1990-10-06 22:38 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22s.td0

0 2012-12-06 19:09 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/wavemate/tmp/
90602 1995-09-23 01:02 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/wavemate/wmbcpm22.td0
160740 1995-09-23 01:15 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/wavemate/wmbcpm2a.td0

0 2012-12-06 08:33 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/hold/
64768 1992-05-18 21:18 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/hold/cpm22.lbr

203280 1991-10-02 19:51 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/8in/flgcpm22.td0

0 2012-12-06 07:47 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/bigboard/
217 1995-08-22 05:45 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/bigboard/-index
175836 1990-11-18 15:47 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/bigboard/60kcpm22.td0
97056 1990-11-18 15:35 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/bigboard/60ksourc.zip
176260 1990-11-18 11:40 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/bigboard/x4acpm22.td0

0 2012-12-06 07:48 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/
166 1991-10-04 05:58 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/-index
24011 1990-09-17 05:27 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/bdos22.zip
61968 1991-05-02 00:04 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/cpm22dri.td0

0 2012-12-06 08:30 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/lobo/
342 1995-08-22 05:21 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/lobo/-index
76340 1995-01-18 06:14 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/lobo/lcpm22.td0

0 2012-12-06 08:14 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/
647 1995-08-22 05:52 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/-index
99554 1990-10-06 23:11 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22.zip
220026 1990-10-07 00:25 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22dd.td0
63500 1990-10-06 23:48 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22hd.zip
124816 1990-10-06 23:45 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22hds.td0
113438 1990-10-06 22:38 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22s.td0

0 2012-12-06 08:29 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/wavemate/tmp/
90602 1995-09-23 01:02 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/wavemate/wmbcpm22.td0

669 1995-09-23 00:57 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/25jul96/sydex/wavemate/-index
90602 1995-09-23 01:02 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/25jul96/sydex/wavemate/wmbcpm22.td0
[/code]

It's easy enough to get whatever files you are needing and convert the *.TD0 files to *.IMD and *.RAW (Sector Dumps)
and extract all the files from these archives. You will need an older DOS type Computer, with the correct type
Floppy Disk Controller to write these Images to a Physical Floppy(s). libdsk by John Elliott can also write the
Floppy's, as well as Linux (I use Debian 11 - 64 Bit) with the dd command (assuming you have the correct floppy
definition in the /etc/mediaprm file to support the physical Floppy Drive).

I'm also not sure about what size your CP/M image should be 48K, 60K, 64K, ??K. Do you have a clue?

Any other information you can supply will help narrow the search.

Larry

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On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 5:47:57 AM UTC-8, ldkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm not sure which version you are wanting. I searched the Maslin Archive for two strings
> "CPM80" & "CPM22" and came up with these files:
>
> ....
>
> I'm also not sure about what size your CP/M image should be 48K, 60K, 64K, ??K. Do you have a clue?
>
> Any other information you can supply will help narrow the search.
>
> Larry

Thanks for the reply and the time you took on this Larry. That was very nice of you.

The historical Museum pulled up 2 disk labels under BYAD
1-2) System disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]
3-4) Program disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]

So I am assuming CP/M-80 v2.2 is what I'm looking for (it would be for 64K)

The card provides an extra 64k of RAM when run under PC-DOS or CP/M-86, but as I mentioned, the museum's archives show Mr. Maslin's BYAD disks as CP/M-80
What I was hoping to find in those floppies, aside from the System is the BYAD utilities.

So - in summary - I would think the CP/M-80 v2.20 for a 64k IBM system is what I'm looking for.
I have an IBM 5160 and 5170 available for the card if I can get the software straightened out. :)

Thank you!

-Alex

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Alex,
The problem I have is there is nothing in TEXT or on the Listing of files that contains BYAD.
How about contacting the Computer Historical Museu, and see if they can provide more detail as
to where it was located in the Maslin Archive. If I have the *.TD0 or *.IMD file name, or even the
Computer system it was compiled on, we can locate the file.

There is nothing about a BYAD that I find in searches of index files.

Larry

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On 12/14/21 2:41 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
> I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
> I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.

If that card is a knock-off of a BabyBlue or BlueThunder ISA Z80 board I have
support software for both.

Seeing a photo would help if you can send one via e-mail.

Steve

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On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 11:21:03 AM UTC-8, ldkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Alex,
> The problem I have is there is nothing in TEXT or on the Listing of files that contains BYAD.
> How about contacting the Computer Historical Museu, and see if they can provide more detail as
> to where it was located in the Maslin Archive. If I have the *.TD0 or *.IMD file name, or even the
> Computer system it was compiled on, we can locate the file.
>
> There is nothing about a BYAD that I find in searches of index files.
>
> Larry

Thanks Larry - I shot them off an email - really appreciated your help here - thank you!

-Alex

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On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 1:17:51 PM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
> On 12/14/21 2:41 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
> > I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
> > I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.
> If that card is a knock-off of a BabyBlue or BlueThunder ISA Z80 board I have
> support software for both.
>
> Seeing a photo would help if you can send one via e-mail.
>
> Steve

Hiya Steve - here's a picture: https://inetrc.com/retro/BYAD_DS2.jpg

Thanks! :)

-Alex

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 by: Steven Hirsch - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:46 UTC

On 12/14/21 4:25 PM, Reviving Retro wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 1:17:51 PM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>> On 12/14/21 2:41 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
>>> I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
>>> I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.
>> If that card is a knock-off of a BabyBlue or BlueThunder ISA Z80 board I have
>> support software for both.
>>
>> Seeing a photo would help if you can send one via e-mail.
>>
>> Steve
>
>
> Hiya Steve - here's a picture: https://inetrc.com/retro/BYAD_DS2.jpg

Interesting board! That's quite different from the two I mentioned and would
almost certainly need dedicated software. I hope you are able to locate it.

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On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 5:46:14 AM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
> On 12/14/21 4:25 PM, Reviving Retro wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 1:17:51 PM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
> >> On 12/14/21 2:41 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
> >>> I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
> >>> I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.
> >> If that card is a knock-off of a BabyBlue or BlueThunder ISA Z80 board I have
> >> support software for both.
> >>
> >> Seeing a photo would help if you can send one via e-mail.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >
> >
> > Hiya Steve - here's a picture: https://inetrc.com/retro/BYAD_DS2.jpg
> Interesting board! That's quite different from the two I mentioned and would
> almost certainly need dedicated software. I hope you are able to locate it.

Appreciate you checking Steve - thanks!

-Alex

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 by: dxforth - Thu, 16 Dec 2021 04:54 UTC

On 14/12/2021 18:41, Reviving Retro wrote:
> I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
> I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.
>
> Would anyone here happen to have software for this in their archives?
> I know that it is in the Don Maslin collection -
>
> Date 1983
> Description
> Personally-labeled; 5 1/4 inch floppy disk (2); disk labels:
> 1-2) System disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]
> 3-4) Program disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]
>
> Any help would be so appreciated. Thank you!
>

Perhaps you've already seen this - if not may be worth trying to contact the guy.

https://youtu.be/SbYcjrezJHs

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On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 8:54:50 PM UTC-8, dxforth wrote:
> Perhaps you've already seen this - if not may be worth trying to contact the guy.
> https://youtu.be/SbYcjrezJHs

So nice of you - yep - saw it and found they were a member on https://www.eevblog.com/ but haven't received any response to my pm there

Again - thank you :)

-Alex

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 by: Steven Hirsch - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 18:51 UTC

On 12/16/21 2:31 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 8:54:50 PM UTC-8, dxforth wrote:
>> Perhaps you've already seen this - if not may be worth trying to contact
>> the guy. https://youtu.be/SbYcjrezJHs
>
> So nice of you - yep - saw it and found they were a member on
> https://www.eevblog.com/ but haven't received any response to my pm there

If you succeed in finding the software (or docs) please consider submitting to
Bitsavers, Internet Archive or other such site?

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On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:51:06 AM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
> If you succeed in finding the software (or docs) please consider submitting to
> Bitsavers, Internet Archive or other such site?

I would absolutely share this Steve - I did ultimately come in contact with the gentleman who made the video, and he has original disks and manual but it seems to be highly time consuming for him to revive his old hardware to make an image/copy. While I offered to pay for his time, assuming it would be relatively simple to image/copy, his estimation is far too high to weigh the ROI on it for something that is more a personal wish for me and not a need. The gentleman is also concerned about the legality/liability of posting any of this in public domain.

I don't like to push folks on this kind of thing - it's their property and their prerogative on how far they are willing to go to help so I've respected that and let this go for now.

That thread can be followed here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/vintage-computing/old-ibm-compatible-pcxtat-cards/75/

I've also emailed the computer historical museum since they seem to have these disks in their archives, but they have not responded - which is a shame since I would think they would be supportive of helping hobbyists in this regard.
I've also been in touch with Mrs. Gaby Chaudry who maintains the website with a lot of Dan Maslin's archives. She graciously replied back and let me know she did not find these in her archives. She was highly expeditious and generous in her response which I deeply appreciated.

So - I'll keep hunting as time permits - things like this usually materialize down the road when least expected - maybe someone someday will even see this thread and reach out :)
-Alex

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Alex,
From looking at the Imagedisk Photo that was attached in the eevblog, you can see what his problem was.
The 5.25" floppy is either SS/DD or DS/DD and 250K if using a 360K Drive. (For a 1.2M Floppy Drive he would
need Double Step Enabled (to skip every other track), and set the Transfer rate to 300K as per this following:
[quote]
4.3 Identifying an image

If you receive a .IMD image and do not know what it contains, or
what type of drive it should be created on, you can use the IMDU
utility to learn more about the image:

- Hopefully the COMMENT shown at the top of the listing will tell
you what is contained in the image.

- The summary near the end will show the number of tracks of side0
and side1 information. If the disk contains only side0 tracks,
then it is single-sided.

- Look at the total number of cylinders for each side, normally:
40 = 5.25" DD
80 = 5.25" QD, 5.25" HD, 3.5" DD or 3.5"HD
77 = 8"

- Look at the transfer rate, normally:
250kbps = 5.25" DD, 5.25" QD or 3.5" DD
300kbps = 5.25" DD, 5.25" QD read on a 5.25" HD
500kbps = 5.25" HD, 3.5" HD or 8"

4.4 Writing a 250kbps image on a HD drive

When an image which was recorded on a 5.25" DD or 5.25" QD drive
at 250kbps is written on a 5.25" HD drive, it must be written at
300kbps to account for the higher rotational speed of the HD
drive.

You must therefore use Settings to Translate 250kbps to 300kbps.

For images containing 40 tracks (DD), you will also have to enable
Double-Stepping in order to write the image correctly.

See also the note on writing 40 track disks on 80 track drives.

5.2 DD Transfer Rate (250kbps <> 300kbps)

ImageDisk determines the correct transfer rate for your drive when
reading a disk, and that transfer rate will be correct when
writing the disk on the same drive, however the transfer rate may
NOT be correct if you write the disk on a different drive type
than it was originally read on.

Specifically: Standard 5.25" DD drives operate at 250kbps, however
HD 5.25" drives on a PC operate at 300kbps when operated in DD
mode (this is because the drive rotates at 360rpm instead of 300
rpm - the actual flux density transition rate on the media will be
the same).

A DD image read on a DD drive has a data rate of 250kbps. In order
to write this to a HD drive, you need to write the data at
300kbps. Use settings to select: 250 kbps -> : 300 kbps

A DD image read on a HD drive has a data rate of 300kbps. In order
to write this to a DD drive, you need to write the data at
250kbps. Use settings to select: 300 kbps -> : 250 kbps

When reading DD in a HD drive, I suggest setting: 300kbps ->
250kbps The image will now indicate the normal DD data rate of
250kbps (even though it was read on the HD drive), and will
recreate correctly on a DD drive - HD users will have to set: 250
kbps -> | 300 kbps.

5.3 Double Stepping

Although ImageDisk can determine that Double-Stepping is required
when reading a disk (48tpi disk in 96tpi drive), it does not know
what types of drives you are using, and therefore cannot tell when
Double-Stepping is required when writing a disk.

You must therefore set the Double-Stepping option correctly when
writing an image back to a disk.


3.7 Writing 40 track disks on 80 track drives.

An 80 track drive has a narrower track width than a 40 track
drive, which means that the track laid down by the head is thinner
than that laid down by the head in a 40 track drive.

When writing a disk in an 80 track drive which has previously been
written on with a 40 track drive, some portion of the original 40
track data will remain at the edges of the new thinner track.

If you then attempt to read the disk in a 40 track drive, the head
will see two conflicting signals which may cause read errors.

It is best to use blank or bulk-erased disks when writing a
40-track image to an 80-track drive.
[/quote]

So Close, but yet SO FAR from getting a good working copy. A Kryoflux, Supercard Pro,
GreaseWeazle, or CatWeazle Mark IV would have already duplicated the Floppy(s).

I'm thinking "Super Contributor", is a misnomer for such a simple task.

Larry

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Alex,
On second look, it does look correct so it should have created a good Image.
I had a senior moment.

Larry

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On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 7:23:27 AM UTC-8, ldkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Alex,
> On second look, it does look correct so it should have created a good Image.
> I had a senior moment.
>
> Larry

I have those moments - they get plentier by the day LOL! :)

I don't know his experience level, but I didn't want to push the OP
I would have taken one of my legacy machines and used Rawwrite (think that's what he was trying to do but his legacy machine apparently has issues)
Or I would have used linux at worst.

I would have been happy to pay the OP for their time if they were experienced, but as they mentioned in a post, they already had 10 hours into this due to their legacy system issue.
Don't wish to be on the hook for paying countless hours of someone's learning experience here for something I could have done in less than an hour, if you know what I mean :)
Even at the lowest end of a $50-$200/hr scale that would have already amounted to $500 :)

-Alex

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Alex,
Yes, but what a shame to be so close to getting the software, and miss out on a very good chance of
getting a copy. It should be Archived, so it is saved.

Larry

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On 19/12/2021 17:14, Reviving Retro wrote:
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:51:06 AM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>> If you succeed in finding the software (or docs) please consider submitting to
>> Bitsavers, Internet Archive or other such site?
>
> I would absolutely share this Steve - I did ultimately come in contact with the gentleman who made the video, and he has original disks and manual but it seems to be highly time consuming for him to revive his old hardware to make an image/copy. While I offered to pay for his time, assuming it would be relatively simple to image/copy, his estimation is far too high to weigh the ROI on it for something that is more a personal wish for me and not a need. The gentleman is also concerned about the legality/liability of posting any of this in public domain.
>
> I don't like to push folks on this kind of thing - it's their property and their prerogative on how far they are willing to go to help so I've respected that and let this go for now.
>

It's not as if anything is being pirated here. These are software drivers and
instructions which is of use only to someone who has the hardware. Since the
former can no longer be obtained from the manufacturer, all that's left is other
owners.

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On 12/19/21 1:14 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:51:06 AM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>> If you succeed in finding the software (or docs) please consider
>> submitting to Bitsavers, Internet Archive or other such site?
>
> I would absolutely share this Steve - I did ultimately come in contact with
> the gentleman who made the video, and he has original disks and manual but
> it seems to be highly time consuming for him to revive his old hardware to
> make an image/copy. While I offered to pay for his time, assuming it would
> be relatively simple to image/copy, his estimation is far too high to weigh
> the ROI on it for something that is more a personal wish for me and not a
> need. The gentleman is also concerned about the legality/liability of
> posting any of this in public domain.
>
> I don't like to push folks on this kind of thing - it's their property and
> their prerogative on how far they are willing to go to help so I've
> respected that and let this go for now.
>
> That thread can be followed here:
> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/vintage-computing/old-ibm-compatible-pcxtat-cards/75/
Over the past couple of decades I've watched many pieces of software fade into
the cosmic bitbucket because of infirmity, crises of conscience and - yes -
innate flakiness on the part of the person who had them in their hands. In
the last year alone, two individuals who never followed through on repeated
promises to duplicate unicorn diskettes died unexpectedly with no plan in
place for their hoards. Sad all around for everyone, but I guess this is just
the way things go.

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Yes, it's been over a year, but I wanted to finally close the loop on this thread!

Though I recently sold this BYAD card, if anyone is looking to archive the software, it was recently posted here :

http://bitsavers.org/pdf/byad/

They contain the operating system (CP/M-2.20) and other associated programs for the BYAD PC/XT Z-80 card.
Disk format is same as the old 8 x 512 sector PC-CP/M-86.

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