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* How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022Andy Burnelli
+* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thAndy Burns
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Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022

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Subject: Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 15 Mar 2022 00:28 UTC

Since some people may be confused, Google equates 2SV with 2FA:
<https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185839>
"With 2-Step Verification (also known as two-factor authentication),
you add an extra layer of security to your account in case your
password is stolen. After you set up 2-Step Verification,
you'll sign in to your account in two steps using:
1. Something you know, like your password
2. Something you have, like your phone"

While some said 2SV is different from 2FA, Google apparently doesn't agree.

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 by: Char Jackson - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 04:35 UTC

On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 01:37:20 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP supporters
>that people use POP, but not vice versa.

I don't get the sense that anyone cares what anyone else uses, but when
people speak up and say they use POP3 because (they think) it can do
something that IMAP4 cannot, it's understandable that more knowledgeable
folks would step in to correct the erroneous thinking. No one is being
forced to change the way they do things but a little education surely
isn't a bad thing.

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From: jollyro...@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 17:05 UTC

On 2022-03-18, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 01:37:20 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP
>>supporters that people use POP, but not vice versa.
>
> I don't get the sense that anyone cares what anyone else uses, but
> when people speak up and say they use POP3 because (they think) it can
> do something that IMAP4 cannot, it's understandable that more
> knowledgeable folks would step in to correct the erroneous thinking.
> No one is being forced to change the way they do things but a little
> education surely isn't a bad thing.

You nailed it. Alas, such nuance is lost to the trolls.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: Lewis - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 19:48 UTC

In message <j9jsevF2kk1U1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-03-18, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 01:37:20 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP
>>>supporters that people use POP, but not vice versa.
>>
>> I don't get the sense that anyone cares what anyone else uses, but
>> when people speak up and say they use POP3 because (they think) it can
>> do something that IMAP4 cannot, it's understandable that more
>> knowledgeable folks would step in to correct the erroneous thinking.
>> No one is being forced to change the way they do things but a little
>> education surely isn't a bad thing.

I mean, I did force all my users to stop using POP3 20ish years ago, so
not quite no one. :)

> You nailed it. Alas, such nuance is lost to the trolls.

"I's always dones it this way, i can't be arsed to change anything
ever" seems to be a axiom that rules many people's lives.

--
There are bad people on both sides

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 by: Fox McCloud45 - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 21:23 UTC

Andy Burns wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote: > I'm not even sure if I want to use OATH2 (only if
> there is no other way).
>
> I don't understand the reluctance to use oAuth2, it uses your same gmail
> username and after you enter the same password once, it substitutes a
> "token", then in future it logs in using username+token, instead of
> username+passord, what's objectionable about that?
>
> How does google suddenly invade your privacy any more than it does as an
> IMAP/POP user?
>

On PC email clients it's typically not an issue, from what I've
gathered. I already use OAuth2 on SeaMonkey/Thunderbird.

On mobile however, it seems that FairEmail forces you to add the Google
Account to the phone rather than the e-mail app if you want to use
OAuth2, and that is a problem. At least for me.

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Subject: Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022
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 by: VanguardLH - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 23:39 UTC

Andy Burns wrote:

> I don't understand the reluctance to use oAuth2, it uses your same
> gmail username and after you enter the same password once, it
> substitutes a "token", then in future it logs in using
> username+token, instead of username+passord, what's objectionable
> about that?

It's not username+token. It's username+token+tracking. With
username+password, Google couldn't reliably track which host you used to
connect to their e-mail service. The OAUTH2 token is unique to each
host. You cannot use the same OAUTH2 token on multiple hosts. Google
not only know who and when logged into their service, but also from
which host you connected, and identified by something that is more
stable than a dynamic IP address. Just another, and easier, data point
for Google to collect. Some folks don't give a gnat's fart about
getting tracked. Some folks do.

There is no such thing an an OAUTH2 protocol. OAUTH1 was a protocol.
Google mangled OAUTH2 into a framework which means anyone implementing
OAUTH2 can do it their own way. Since Google maneuvered into the OAUTH2
group to control its development, Google's implementation of the
framework is most likely deployed at mail servers. The "standard" for
OAUTH2 evolved through brute force and prevalence.

https://vimeo.com/52882780

Remember when web developers had to add branch code into their HTML web
pages depending on which web client you connected to their site?
Different code was needed to effect the same functionality or content to
accomodate different web browsers. Same for OAUTH.

https://www.cloudsponge.com/blog/how-are-googles-microsofts-and-yahoos-oauth-implementations-different/

If you're concerned about someone hacking your account, and instead of
the verification process to dole out OAUTH2 tokens, you should be using
a unique password at each domain (where you login). If paranoid, change
your unique password at regular intevals. Many companies force
expiration of logins, so employees have to specify a new password to
make sure old ones aren't abused.

There is nothing insecure about using username+password. What is
insecure is the creation, non-uniqueness, and management of the logins
by the users. But, gee, let's track the hosts they're using, too.

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Subject: Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:29 UTC

VanguardLH wrote:

> The OAUTH2 token is unique to each
> host. You cannot use the same OAUTH2 token on multiple hosts. Google
> not only know who and when logged into their service, but also from
> which host you connected, and identified by something that is more
> stable than a dynamic IP address.

That statement, if true (and I have no reason to doubt it), brings up
questions that would be obvious to anyone trying to figure this out.

1. How does Google (or OAuth2) determine what is a unique host?

2. Why then does Google _still_ hate VPN even when using Thunderbird/OATH2?

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Subject: Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 20 Mar 2022 01:00 UTC

Fox McCloud45 wrote:

> On mobile however, it seems that FairEmail forces you to add the Google
> Account to the phone rather than the e-mail app if you want to use
> OAuth2, and that is a problem. At least for me.

Aurggh. <https://i.postimg.cc/DfqZkHSN/telecom01.jpg>

Thank you for testing FairEmail as I am hoping to find _something_ on
Android to replace K9 mail that uses OAth2 as I won't use 2FA/2SV.

Like you, I do _not_ have a Google Account set up on my Android phone.
(that's why I use K9 mail in the first place, instead of the GMail apk)

Please let us know what you end up finding that _does_ work on Android.

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Subject: Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 20 Mar 2022 01:03 UTC

Lewis wrote:

> "I's always dones it this way, i can't be arsed to change anything
> ever" seems to be a axiom that rules many people's lives.

Every time iKooks like Lewis are added to any adult OS conversation, these
child-like vitriol filled iKooks bring it down to their kindergarten level.

The _adult_ operating system groups aren't anything like the toy OS groups.
The _adults_ discuss the problem and try to find a working resolution.

We should probably solve this problem by removing the iKoos from replies.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:41 UTC

On 2022-03-19 00:39, VanguardLH wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> I don't understand the reluctance to use oAuth2, it uses your same
>> gmail username and after you enter the same password once, it
>> substitutes a "token", then in future it logs in using
>> username+token, instead of username+passord, what's objectionable
>> about that?
>
> It's not username+token. It's username+token+tracking. With
> username+password, Google couldn't reliably track which host you used to
> connect to their e-mail service. The OAUTH2 token is unique to each
> host. You cannot use the same OAUTH2 token on multiple hosts. Google
> not only know who and when logged into their service, but also from
> which host you connected, and identified by something that is more
> stable than a dynamic IP address. Just another, and easier, data point
> for Google to collect. Some folks don't give a gnat's fart about
> getting tracked. Some folks do.

Ok, that's an interesting point.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 21:02 UTC

On 2022-03-06 17:31, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2022-03-06 16:48, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>> NY wrote:
>
>
>>> WLM ... no idea if it supports oAuth, but even after "less secure
>>> apps" goes
>>> away, if you have 2FA enabled on your google account you should be
>>> able to
>>> create an "app specific password" for any IMAP/POP client.
>>
>>    The Google blurb in the OP doesn't say whether or not (Google) App
>> Passwords are going away. If they are going away, the OP's concern might
>> be real. If not, it's a non-issue.
>
> Not quite.
>
> For example, I have received that blurb only on one gmail account, the
> one that is not associated to any android tablet or phone: thus 2FA can
> not be activated, and thus there are no App Passwords.
>
> A solution for me would be to make this the second account on my phone.
> I don't know.
>
>
> The other accounts I have that have not received the blurb are: one that
> has 2FA enabled, and two accounts that are associated to organizations
> (thus not @gmail.com). Apparently they have different rules defined by
> each organization and their contracts with Google.
>

I just noticed a new behaviour on that second gmail account of mine that
is not associated to an android phone. Meaning, the account is not
registered on a phone, like my main gmail account is. But it does have a
recovery phone registered with gmail, or something similar (I forget which).

Today I reactivated this account, using Thunderbird, on an old computer.
It was set to imap, "normal" authentication, and I changed it to Oauth2
(it was being refused connection, being a "new" connection). And then I
clicked on the main folder.

The usual oauth2 window popped up, and after entering the password it
said that it wanted to send an SMS to my phone ending in X, is it OK? I
hesitated, then said yes. I got the SMS, typed a six digit code, and the
folder opened fine.

Maybe this will be accepted as a 2FA. In that case, this is acceptable
to me.

checking...

No, it wasn't, but I have just activated 2FA using SMS messages. Not
optimal, but acceptable, if they already knew my phone number...

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