How long does it take to charge your phone from completely dead to
completely full using the charger that came free with the phone?

All modern phones nowadays have huge batteries and mine is no exception.
I ran a test last night and mine took 2-1/4 hours to go from 0 to 100%
<https://i.postimg.cc/zGvhGxSb/charging13.jpg>

Specs:
Free 64 GB 8-core Samsung Galaxy A32-5G with a modern 5 Ah battery
Free 9.0V at 1.67A & 5.0V at 2.0A modern fast charger in the box
Phone purposefully run all day & night with LED flashlight on
until phone shut down indicating 1% battery.

Booted phone at 6:33AM and put on the charger & at 8:45AM today.
The phone said "*Your battery is half charged*" just one hour later.
Another hour & fifteen minutes the phone spoke out that it was full
"*Your battery is now at 100% charge*"

How long does it take _you_ to charge your phone from dead to full?
--
All modern phones now come with huge batteries which last forever.

On 2022-04-04 2:19 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> How long does it take to charge your phone from completely dead to
> completely full using the charger that came free with the phone?
>
> All modern phones nowadays have huge batteries and mine is no exception.
> I ran a test last night and mine took 2-1/4 hours to go from 0 to 100%
> <https://i.postimg.cc/zGvhGxSb/charging13.jpg>
>

So no better than a current iPhone.

Got it.

> Specs:
> Free 64 GB 8-core Samsung Galaxy A32-5G with a modern 5 Ah battery
> Free 9.0V at 1.67A & 5.0V at 2.0A modern fast charger in the box
> Phone purposefully run all day & night with LED flashlight on
> until phone shut down indicating 1% battery.
> Booted phone at 6:33AM and put on the charger & at 8:45AM today.
> The phone said "*Your battery is half charged*" just one hour later.
> Another hour & fifteen minutes the phone spoke out that it was full
> "*Your battery is now at 100% charge*"
>
> How long does it take _you_ to charge your phone from dead to full?

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> How long does it take to charge your phone from completely dead to
> completely full using the charger that came free with the phone?

Impossible now that many/most phones don't come with a charger.

> All modern phones nowadays have huge batteries and mine is no exception.

They also don't come with a charger.

On 2022-04-05, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> They also don't come with a charger.

Technically, the charger is built into the device. And they all come
with a USB charge cable.

What newer smartphones no longer come with is a USB *power adapter*. And
since you can plug the USB charge cable into any USB power source, that
isn't nearly as big of a deal as some people seem to desperately want to
make it. The fact is many people already have USB power adapters, USB
ports on computers, and existing USB charge cables that they continue to
use even after purchasing a new smartphone, which means for many people
shipping a USB power adapter with a new smartphone is wasteful.

As I sit here typing this, I have twp USB charge cables, three available
USB-C ports, and four available USB-A ports, all within easy reach. If I
were sitting on the couch in my living room, I would have two USB charge
cables and a third USB power port available within reach. And if I were
laying in bed, I'd have yet another USB charge cable within reach. I
have a USB port and charge cable in the car as well.

And I'm not alone. Many people simply have no need for yet another USB
power adapter. Those who do need one can still purchase one - and it
doesn't have to be the same brand as the smartphone, since Anker and
others make perfectly good ones that you can purchase, often at cheaper
prices.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-04-05, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> They also don't come with a charger.
>
> Technically, the charger is built into the device. And they all come
> with a USB charge cable.
>
> What newer smartphones no longer come with is a USB *power adapter*. And
> since you can plug the USB charge cable into any USB power source, that
> isn't nearly as big of a deal as some people seem to desperately want to
> make it. The fact is many people already have USB power adapters, USB
> ports on computers, and existing USB charge cables that they continue to
> use even after purchasing a new smartphone, which means for many people
> shipping a USB power adapter with a new smartphone is wasteful.
>
> As I sit here typing this, I have twp USB charge cables, three available
> USB-C ports, and four available USB-A ports, all within easy reach. If I
> were sitting on the couch in my living room, I would have two USB charge
> cables and a third USB power port available within reach. And if I were
> laying in bed, I'd have yet another USB charge cable within reach. I
> have a USB port and charge cable in the car as well.
>
> And I'm not alone. Many people simply have no need for yet another USB
> power adapter. Those who do need one can still purchase one - and it
> doesn't have to be the same brand as the smartphone, since Anker and
> others make perfectly good ones that you can purchase, often at cheaper
> prices.
>

Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.

When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!

On 4/5/2022 1:39 AM, Chris wrote:
> Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> How long does it take to charge your phone from completely dead to
>> completely full using the charger that came free with the phone?
>
> Impossible now that many/most phones don't come with a charger.
>
>> All modern phones nowadays have huge batteries and mine is no exception.
>
> They also don't come with a charger.

Correct, even the lower-end phones that used to come with fast chargers
have now dropped the charger.

It's annoying, but in the case of the iPhone they never included a fast
charger even before they stopped including chargers so you had to buy a
fast charger separately.

When I was performing tests of the energy difference between wired and
wireless charging I did include the times. But I did only 20% to 100%
which is more in line with actual use.

The iPhone Xr took 116 minutes wired(0.0127 KWH) wireless to go from 20%
to 100% and 135 minutes wireless (0.0191 KWH).

In article <slrnt4oioc.9gc.nomail@xs9.xs4all.nl>, Rob
<nomail@example.com> wrote:

> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.

not really. a pd charger is capable of sourcing higher current, which
generally means faster charge times, however, not all devices take
advantage of that. since most people charge overnight, they'll never
notice any difference.

> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!

unless you've been living in a cave for the last 20 years or so, you
*do* have a charger, probably several of them.

in the unlikely event you're about to buy your very first phone and
have no chargers whatsoever from anything else, you can always charge
the phone from a computer's usb port (or tv, router or various other
devices with usb ports).

In article <t2hikn$kc2$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> It's annoying, but in the case of the iPhone they never included a fast
> charger even before they stopped including chargers so you had to buy a
> fast charger separately.

false. apple *did* include a fast charger with some models.

> When I was performing tests of the energy difference between wired and
> wireless charging I did include the times. But I did only 20% to 100%
> which is more in line with actual use.

baseless assumption and also contradicts your silly justification for
wireless charging.

On 4/5/2022 7:10 AM, sms wrote:

> When I was performing tests of the energy difference between wired
> and wireless charging I did include the times. But I did only 20% to
> 100% which is more in line with actual use.

I prefer the convenience of a wireless charger. I haven't needed to use
any of the ports on my phone (power, earphone, card-since phone has 128G
storage) in quite awhile. Probably won't miss the ports when most new
models finally eliminate them. YMMV...

> The iPhone Xr took 116 minutes wired(0.0127 KWH) wireless to go from
> 20% to 100% and 135 minutes wireless (0.0191 KWH).

My wireless charger came with a 2A power supply. It made the phone warm.
So I changed to using a 1/2A power supply instead. Now the phone
produces no NOTICEABLE heat when charging and yet since I use overnight
charging it still is fully charged in the morning.

My purpose was to extend battery life by eliminating heat. I'm at 3 1/2
years now and have seen no NOTICEABLE battery degradation. I'm sure
there is some. Perhaps it was a good decision. Perhaps it didn't make
much difference at all. In any case it didn't interfere with my daily
routine so was worth a try...

Rob wrote:

> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.

In addition, the old charger is almost _never_ the correct fast charger.

Instead of getting a new correctly sized battery in your new iCar, Apple
tells you that they skimped out on the correctly sized battery.

It's as if Apple tells you that you have plenty of old car batteries.
Use your old batteries with your shiny new iCar.

It's green.

> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!

Who wants to put their old battery from their old car into the new iCar?
And then, they have to swap it out each time they drive that new iCar?

It's _always_ undersized so it will never work as well as the right battery.
Since it's the _wrong_ battery, Apple will _not_ honor the iCar warranty.

Worse than all that, Apple _lied_ about you having the correct charger.

FACT:
Apple has _never_ in its history shipped the correct fast charger (for the
new iPhones that don't come with them) with _any_ iPhone box ever sold!

Apple lied.

nospam wrote:

> unless you've been living in a cave for the last 20 years or so, you
> *do* have a charger, probably several of them.

What the Apple iKooks did was believe every bit of propaganda fed them.

1. Apple has _never_ shipped the correct charger for the iPhones that
no longer come with them in _any_ iPhone box ever sold in its history.

2. Apple refused to put in writing that they will honor the warranty if
your incorrect charger damages your expensive iPhone.

3. If perchance you have a _modern_ charger, it's _already_ being used.

4. Who wants to have to borrow their wife's charger just to charge their
phone overnight (which all iPhones require, despite Apple's lies).

5. Who wants to have a shiny new iPhone, shiny new case, nice new unfrayed
cable, and yet, they have to stoop to using an old worn beat up charger?

6. Whatever happened to Apple's marketing claim that old chargers are
dangerous? I never believed Apple cared - but this proves they don't.

7. The fact is the old charger is almost _never_ the correct fast charger.

8. Apple is the master at removing one key bit of functionality every
year in iPhones so that you have to slowly get used to buying it back.

Frog. Boiling. Water === Apple

sms wrote:

> Correct, even the lower-end phones that used to come with fast chargers
> have now dropped the charger.

FACT:
My _free_ (approx $200 MSRP now) Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with the fast
charger, and it seems that _many_ (if not most) Android come with them too.

I don't know the percentage any more than anyone else does where I tried to
see if this search engine showed "charger in the box" but it's not there.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2021&sFreeText=charger>

Instead of just guessing like Steve did, does anyone have a good search
engine that will tell us the number of phones below $500 that come with a
fast charger in the box?

nospam wrote:

>> It's annoying, but in the case of the iPhone they never included a fast
>> charger even before they stopped including chargers so you had to buy a
>> fast charger separately.
>
> false. apple *did* include a fast charger with some models.

FACT:
For the _correct_ fast charger for the recent iPhone models (11 & 12)
*Apple has _never_ shipped that correct iPhone 11/12 fast charger*
*in _any_ iPhone box ever sold in Apple's entire history*. (See Brazil.)

That's a fact that I know nospam is well aware of.

>> When I was performing tests of the energy difference between wired and
>> wireless charging I did include the times. But I did only 20% to 100%
>> which is more in line with actual use.
>
> baseless assumption and also contradicts your silly justification for
> wireless charging.

*Apple has _never_ shipped the correct iPhone 11/12 fast charger*
*in _any_ iPhone box that Apple has ever sold in the USA*. (See Brazil.)
--
In Brazil, Apple _refused_ to put in writing that Apple would honor the
warranty if someone used the wrong charger and the phone was damaged.

So Brazil forces Apple to include the charger in the box.

On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:

<snip>

> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>
> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!

You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.

Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
don't already own a fast charger. They either will continue with slow
charging or purchase a fast charger.

If they're buying a phone in a store, the salesperson will likely
suggest that they purchase a fast charger. Once someone is paying
hundreds of dollars (or more than a thousand dollars) for a new phone
then the cost of a fast charger isn't significant and they'll probably
buy one.

What is annoying is that a fast charger that would have cost the phone
manufacturer less than a dollar but to buy one at retail at the Apple
Store or at a carrier's store you're looking at $15-20. Of course a
PD/QC charger can be purchased for less than $5 if you're willing to
order one on Aliexpress and wait a few weeks for delivery
<https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001970967446.html>.

OTOH, one nice thing about USB-PD and QC is that you can reduce the
number of chargers you have to carry, especially when traveling. For $50
or so you can buy one 100W charger, with four ports, that can charge a
laptop, tablet, and a couple of phones all at once. Even if your laptop
doesn't use USB-PD for charging you can buy an adapter that goes from
USB-C PD to your laptop's charging port.

On 4/5/2022 8:33 AM, AJL wrote:

<snip>

> I prefer the convenience of a wireless charger. I haven't needed to use
> any of the ports on my phone (power, earphone, card-since phone has 128G
> storage) in quite awhile. Probably won't miss the ports when most new
> models finally eliminate them. YMMV...

Yes, wireless charging is more convenient and has other advantages as
well, such as reducing wear and tear on the charging port and making it
more likely that you'll have a charging regimen that maximizes battery
life (see <https://tinyurl.com/pros-cons-wireless-charging>). But
sometimes it's not practical, such as when you're using the phone while
it's charging.

>> The iPhone Xr took 116 minutes wired(0.0127 KWH) wireless to go from
>> 20% to 100%  and 135 minutes wireless (0.0191 KWH).
>
> My wireless charger came with a 2A power supply. It made the phone warm.

> So I changed to using a 1/2A power supply instead. Now the phone
> produces no NOTICEABLE heat when charging and yet since I use overnight
> charging it still is fully charged in the morning.

This is the one I used when I ran my tests
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZVHD2M6>. It would have been at 7.5W for
the iPhone Xr no matter what the wireless charger is capable of.

> My purpose was to extend battery life by eliminating heat. I'm at 3 1/2
> years now and have seen no NOTICEABLE battery degradation. I'm sure
> there is some. Perhaps it was a good decision. Perhaps it didn't make
> much difference at all. In any case it didn't interfere with my daily
> routine so was worth a try...

I was charging my iPhone 6s Plus with a wireless charger for years
(using a 3 in 1 wireless charging case). The battery is barely degraded,
I think it's at 97% (as reported by Apple). For my Samsung Note 9, there
is no battery health percentage that is calculated.

On 4/5/2022 9:17 AM, sms wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
>> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
>> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>
>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
>> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>
> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>
> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
> don't already own a fast charger. They either will continue with slow
> charging or purchase a fast charger.
>
> If they're buying a phone in a store, the salesperson will likely
> suggest that they purchase a fast charger. Once someone is paying
> hundreds of dollars (or more than a thousand dollars) for a new phone
> then the cost of a fast charger isn't significant and they'll probably
> buy one.
>
> What is annoying is that a fast charger that would have cost the phone
> manufacturer less than a dollar but to buy one at retail at the Apple
> Store or at a carrier's store you're looking at $15-20. Of course a
> PD/QC charger can be purchased for less than $5 if you're willing to
> order one on Aliexpress and wait a few weeks for delivery
> <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001970967446.html>.
>
> OTOH, one nice thing about USB-PD and QC is that you can reduce the
> number of chargers you have to carry, especially when traveling.

Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to travel
with multiple devices.

--
Ken

On 4/5/2022 9:30 AM, sms wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 8:33 AM, AJL wrote:

>> I prefer the convenience of a wireless charger. I haven't needed to
>> use any of the ports on my phone (power, earphone, card-since phone
>> has 128G storage) in quite awhile. Probably won't miss the ports
>> when most new models finally eliminate them. YMMV...

> But sometimes it's not practical, such as when you're using the phone
> while it's charging.

Of course. That's why I added YMMV...

> I was charging my iPhone 6s Plus with a wireless charger for years
> (using a 3 in 1 wireless charging case). The battery is barely
> degraded, I think it's at 97% (as reported by Apple).

Yup. The wife has charged her iPhone on a wireless charger for years
also. Which BTW is why she didn't need a new charger in the box when she
got the new iPhone. The old wireless charger still worked just fine...

In article <t2hq2q$co2$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
> don't already own a fast charger.

most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where how
long it takes does not matter.

> They either will continue with slow
> charging or purchase a fast charger.

in other words, not an issue.

> If they're buying a phone in a store, the salesperson will likely
> suggest that they purchase a fast charger.

not necessarily, and if someone does, the buyer can say no.

> OTOH, one nice thing about USB-PD and QC is that you can reduce the
> number of chargers you have to carry, especially when traveling. For $50
> or so you can buy one 100W charger, with four ports, that can charge a
> laptop, tablet, and a couple of phones all at once. Even if your laptop
> doesn't use USB-PD for charging you can buy an adapter that goes from
> USB-C PD to your laptop's charging port.

exactly why including another charger is a waste.

In article <t2hqqt$s3p$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> > I prefer the convenience of a wireless charger. I haven't needed to use
> > any of the ports on my phone (power, earphone, card-since phone has 128G
> > storage) in quite awhile. Probably won't miss the ports when most new
> > models finally eliminate them. YMMV...
>
> Yes, wireless charging is more convenient

that's the advantage.

> and has other advantages as
> well, such as reducing wear and tear on the charging port

that's not an issue in normal use.

> and making it
> more likely that you'll have a charging regimen that maximizes battery
> life

wireless has no effect on charging regimen, however, the additional
heat *reduces* battery life.

On 05.04.22 18:46, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 9:17 AM, sms wrote:
>> OTOH, one nice thing about USB-PD and QC is that you can reduce the
>> number of chargers you have to carry, especially when traveling.
>
>
> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to travel
> with multiple devices.

Not an option for me. I usually write a lot of text in forums. I use my
iPhone as gateway to the web for my laptops. Even these useless tablets
are not an option. They are just blown up phones.

--
Sent with Bettterbird from an Intel-Mac. Simply better. www.betterbird.eu

On 4/5/2022 8:33 AM, AJL wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 7:10 AM, sms wrote:
>
>> When I was performing tests of the energy difference between wired
>> and wireless charging I did include the times. But I did only 20% to
>> 100% which is more in line with actual use.
>
> I prefer the convenience of a wireless charger.

I think I said this here before, but a wireless charger would be useless
to me. I usually charge my phone while I am reading a Kindle book in bed.

--
Ken

On 4/5/2022 9:53 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> On 05.04.22 18:46, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 9:17 AM, sms wrote:
>>> OTOH, one nice thing about USB-PD and QC is that you can reduce the
>>> number of chargers you have to carry, especially when traveling.
>>
>>
>> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
>> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
>> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
>> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to travel
>> with multiple devices.
>
> Not an option for me. I usually write a lot of text in forums. I use my
> iPhone as gateway to the web for my laptops. Even these useless tablets
> are not an option. They are just blown up phones.

Yes, we all have different needs. That was my point.

--
Ken

> On 4/5/2022 8:33 AM, AJL wrote:

>> I prefer the convenience of a wireless charger.

> I think I said this here before, but a wireless charger would be useless
> to me. I usually charge my phone while I am reading a Kindle book in bed.

Of course. That's why I added YMMV to my (snipped) post...

On 4/5/2022 9:55 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 8:33 AM, AJL wrote:

>> I prefer the convenience of a wireless charger.

> I think I said this here before, but a wireless charger would be useless
> to me. I usually charge my phone while I am reading a Kindle book in bed.

Of course. That's why I added YMMV to my (snipped) post...

Edited post: Sorry Ken, left your name off the post.

On 4/5/2022 10:06 AM, AJL wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 8:33 AM, AJL wrote:
>
>>> I prefer the convenience of a wireless charger.
>
>> I think I said this here before, but a wireless charger would be useless
>> to me. I usually charge my phone while I am reading a Kindle book in bed.
>
> Of course. That's why I added YMMV to my (snipped) post...

OK, sorry. I must have missed your "YMMV."

--
Ken