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by: Arne Vajhøj - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 23:42 UTC

John Reagan just announced:

https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

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by: Arne Vajhøj - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 01:59 UTC

On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> John Reagan just announced:
>
> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831

Now we just need Basic among the native languages.

Arne

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by: John Reagan - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 01:47 UTC

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:59:15 PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > John Reagan just announced:
> >
> > https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>
> Arne
It is in the oven

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by: Chris Townley - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 13:22 UTC

On 08/09/2023 02:47, John Reagan wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:59:15 PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> John Reagan just announced:
>>>
>>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
>> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>>
>> Arne
> It is in the oven

Gas Mark 6, or 4? :)

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by: Jonathan - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 15:36 UTC

On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:47:30 PM UTC-4, John Reagan wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:59:15 PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > > John Reagan just announced:
> > >
> > > https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
> > Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
> >
> > Arne
> It is in the oven

With working /separate?

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by: John Reagan - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 15:46 UTC

On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:36:31 AM UTC-4, Jonathan wrote:
> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:47:30 PM UTC-4, John Reagan wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:59:15 PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > > On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > > > John Reagan just announced:
> > > >
> > > > https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
> > > Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
> > >
> > > Arne
> > It is in the oven
> With working /separate?
I was afraid someone would ask about that. :)

We had stubbed out /SEPARATE for Fortran, COBOL (and BASIC) as the LLVM 3.4..2
used by the cross-compilers didn't have a good interface for multiple compilation
units per object file. The much newer LLVM we use for the native compilers now has
sufficient support but we haven't hooked it up yet.

I used to think that without /SEPARATE you just got larger images full of dead code
but I now appreciate that you might have to change your link commands to find additional
dead code to link into your application when the first bunch of dead code now wants to
reference other code.

Let me go make sure the ticket is on the list.

John

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by: Dave Froble - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 19:10 UTC

On 9/8/2023 11:46 AM, John Reagan wrote:
> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:36:31 AM UTC-4, Jonathan wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:47:30 PM UTC-4, John Reagan wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:59:15 PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> John Reagan just announced:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
>>>> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>>>>
>>>> Arne
>>> It is in the oven
>> With working /separate?
> I was afraid someone would ask about that. :)
>
> We had stubbed out /SEPARATE for Fortran, COBOL (and BASIC) as the LLVM 3.4.2
> used by the cross-compilers didn't have a good interface for multiple compilation
> units per object file. The much newer LLVM we use for the native compilers now has
> sufficient support but we haven't hooked it up yet.
>
> I used to think that without /SEPARATE you just got larger images full of dead code
> but I now appreciate that you might have to change your link commands to find additional
> dead code to link into your application when the first bunch of dead code now wants to
> reference other code.
>
> Let me go make sure the ticket is on the list.
>
> John
>

Ok, please help the dumb polock that wondered down out of the widerness ..

Just what is /SEPARATE ?

I bestired myself to check the Basic help on the VAX, sort of old, and could not
find any command, keyword, etc like that.

However, I did find something to make me smile ..

Commands

In the BASIC environment, commands let you perform operations on your
program, such as merging, compiling and running. They cannot appear in a
program and do not need line numbers. You can type commands in response
to the Ready prompt, along with any valid arguments.

That "Ready prompt" caused a smile ...

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by: Dave Froble - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 19:24 UTC

On 9/8/2023 3:10 PM, Dave Froble wrote:

> Just what is /SEPARATE ?

Never mind, I found it. Though, it is something that I would never do.

One source file, one object file, works for me.

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by: John Reagan - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 16:07 UTC

On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 3:24:32 PM UTC-4, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 9/8/2023 3:10 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>
> > Just what is /SEPARATE ?
> Never mind, I found it. Though, it is something that I would never do.
>
> One source file, one object file, works for me.
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It does help in the case where you want to write a bunch of independent routines
in a single source file and then put that "single" OBJ into an OLB.

And while some people can break the single source file into multiple source files,
it can be pain with shared data types, etc.

"In matrimony, to hesitate is sometimes to be saved." -- Butler

computers / comp.os.vms / Re: VMS x86-64 Cobol is out (field test)

Subject	Author
VMS x86-64 Cobol is out (field test)	Arne Vajhøj
Re: VMS x86-64 Cobol is out (field test)	Arne Vajhøj
Re: VMS x86-64 Cobol is out (field test)	John Reagan
Re: VMS x86-64 Cobol is out (field test)	Chris Townley
Re: VMS x86-64 Cobol is out (field test)	Jonathan
Re: VMS x86-64 Cobol is out (field test)	John Reagan
Re: VMS x86-64 Cobol is out (field test)	Dave Froble
Re: VMS x86-64 Cobol is out (field test)	Dave Froble
Re: VMS x86-64 Cobol is out (field test)	John Reagan