On 2022-04-05 3:43 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> badgolferman wrote:
>
>> It's nice to see Arlen, nospam, Lewis agreeing on something for once. It
>> took sms to make this possible!
>
> I respond to what people say.
> *Hence I agree with _anyone_ who has a valid point which is based on
> facts.*
>
> Hell, if Snit, Alan Baker or Alan Browne or even Jolly Roger or Lewis or
> nospam or Joerg or Your Name wrote a valid point, I'd agree with them.

No.

You'd put them in your killfile.

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> It¹s nice to see Arlen, nospam, Lewis agreeing on something for
>>> once. It
>>> took sms to make this possible!
>>
>> always looking at the bright side :)
>
> Most of the time I don't even LOOK at who is posting. I respond to
> the data.
> If what the person says is sensible, I will agree with it.
> If what the person says is idiotic, I'll let him know he's an idiot.
>
> Hence, the only reason you don't see me congratulating Jolly Roger
> or Lewis
> a lot for acting like adults, is that they don't do it all that much.
>

Hell, I believe you are the only adult here.

sms wrote:

> We all hope that he can be educated

Heh heh heh... educated...

I'm the one who told Steve that his FCC maps are calculated from what the
carriers give the government - and - _none_ of that information is 5G.

Methinks Steve hates me simply because I uncovered his FCC map lies.

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> We all hope that he can be educated
>
> Heh heh heh... educated...
> I'm the one who told Steve that his FCC maps are calculated from
> what the
> carriers give the government - and - _none_ of that information is 5G.
>
> Methinks Steve hates me simply because I uncovered his FCC map lies.

Nah. He's jealous of all yer books.

nospam wrote:

>> The reality is that the choice of carrier matters a lot to most people.
>
> actually, it doesn't, other than price. coverage is generally the same
> for all three, except in remote areas few people visit.

While Steve claims that the carrier matters to most people but they are
commodities like it or not. Their differentiation is like that between
McDonalds and Burger King. They're all essentially the same to most of us.

It's Verizon that is special to Steve for reasons unknown to the rest of us.
He has a hatred for T-Mobile that spans over the years something fierce.

>> All three networks work acceptably in flat urban areas.
>
> as well as not so flat areas.

As well as the mountain areas Steve claims has no T-Mobile service.
And yet it does.

>> As I like to say, "Data Not Dogma."
>
> you might say that but all you spew is dogma.

I have to agree with nospam that all Steve spews is dogma.
Not data.

Steve lied to us for years about the FCC coverage maps for example.

>> Helping people make good decisions
>> about which carrier to choose is reliant on independent data, not
>> marketing blurbs from a carrier.
>
> and not easily refuted claims from well known shills.

It's odd how desperate Steve is to shill for Verizon.
The rest of us don't care to shill for any carrier.

On 4/5/2022 7:50 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> sms wrote:
>>
>>> We all hope that he can be educated
>>
>> Heh heh heh... educated...
>> I'm the one who told Steve that his FCC maps are calculated from what the
>> carriers give the government - and - _none_ of that information is 5G.
>>
>> Methinks Steve hates me simply because I uncovered his FCC map lies.
>
> Nah. He's jealous of all yer books.

LOL, well I still have some of college textbooks, is that important?

And of course my references to the FCC maps were spot-on. I even added a
section in my document <https://tinyurl.com/us-prepaid-foreign> to
explain it since "Andy Burnelli/Dean Hoffman/Arlen Holder" is unclear on
how 5G is a subset of 4G:

"What About 5G? The FCC Maps Show Only 4G
-----------------------------------------
5G coverage is virtually always a subset of 4G coverage, at least for
mobile phones. 5G equipment is added to existing 4G cells to provide
more capacity and higher speeds. The exception are mmWave 5G cells used
to provide home broadband service. You can see one example of the
difference in 5G and 4G service at <https://i.imgur.com/dEuUkuJ.jpeg>."

Hopefully Andy Burnelli/Dean Hoffman/Arlen Holder will choose to educate
himself on this issue.

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> The reality is that the choice of carrier matters a lot to most people.
>>
>> actually, it doesn't, other than price. coverage is generally the same
>> for all three, except in remote areas few people visit.
>
> While Steve claims that the carrier matters to most people but they are
> commodities like it or not. Their differentiation is like that between
> McDonalds and Burger King. They're all essentially the same to most of us.
>
> It's Verizon that is special to Steve for reasons unknown to the rest of us.
> He has a hatred for T-Mobile that spans over the years something fierce.
>

I care about the best value over all and that has been T-Mobile for me over
the past five years or so. I used to have Verizon prior to T-Mobile, but
with four lines and limited data allowance the monthly bill was too much.
That’s when I started to look into T-Mobile even though it had a reputation
for spotty coverage in my area. I made the switch anyway and have been
pleased with the improvements which have occurred over the past 2-3 years.
My bill has remained the same over that period except when I’ve made
changes or gotten phones from them.

Another factor to consider is customer support. Verizon customer support
was extremely frustrating for me. I have been very pleased anytime I’ve
gone to the T-Mobile store or had to call them. When I complained about
signal strength in my house they gave me a mini tower no charge. Verizon
refused to do that in the past and I was forced to buy one on eBay. I can
say my experiences are night and day between the two carriers, and remember
that I still carry a Verizon work phone so it’s not experiences from the
past only.

A few years ago I was so pleased with T-Mobile and believed in their
direction. I bought their stock. Unfortunately I sold it after a year and
wish I had kept it.

sms wrote:

> well I still have some of college textbooks, is that important?

While the iKooks self esteem is wrapped up in their iToys, mine is
intertwined with my education, where, like Steve, I'm also an EE.

I consider that Steve is also has an EE among his degrees, so I would
_expect_ Steve to be able to show his textbooks - where if Steve does _not)_
have _this_ textbook, then I'd wonder about Steve's claim to be an EE.
<https://i.postimg.cc/6qdCpK0Y/books11.jpg>

I wouldn't expect Steve to have any of these as they're specialty items
specifically for those who worked in the Silicon Valley startup world.
<https://i.postimg.cc/CKKrrJQK/books04.jpg>

However I would expect Steve to have studied the basics like these show.
<https://i.postimg.cc/RVQPMjrF/books05.jpg>

Where one of my specialties is given away by these classes I took that Steve
probably wouldn't have a clue about (but that's OK as EE is a big field).
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2SGzC8H/books07.jpg>

The difference between someone like me and the iKooks is that the iKooks
couldn't comprehend even a _single page_ of these books, since none of them
own the necessary IQ and certainly none of them have ever been to college.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Dzzkq69w/books02.jpg>
--
I used to wonder why the iKooks say what no educated adult would say,
but then I realized all the iKooks have the confluence of three things:
1. Not one of the iKooks owns an IQ that even _approaches_ average
2. As a result, none of the iKooks has _any_ education above high school
3. All of the iKooks have such low self esteem that they pine for Apple
to give them something (anything) they can be "proud of" owning.

badgolferman wrote:

> I care about the best value over all and that has been T-Mobile for me over
> the past five years or so. I used to have Verizon prior to T-Mobile, but
> with four lines and limited data allowance the monthly bill was too much.

Hi badgolferman,

I love that you posted a human interest explanation, as that helps flesh out
that you're a normal person with reasonable and rather sensible
expectations.

Like badgolferman has done himself, I've had all the other carriers also,
where what I loved about T-Mobile years ago was they allowed me the freedom
to NOT have a contract (unlike Verizon) at a time when Verizon enforced it,
and they allowed me the freedom to NOT have cellular data (unlike AT&T) at a
time when AT&T enforced it (I even complained to the FCC about that).

Those are the main reasons I left Verizon and AT&T since the company paid
all my bills so I didn't care about price, where it was just a bonus that
T-Mobile gives me a $25/month/phone unlimited-everything plan (plus $4 in
fees).

Unlimited data
Unlimited SMS/MMS
Unlimited USA phone calls

The coverage?
About the same.

Yes. Steve. About the same.

In the same Santa Cruz mountains that you constantly say has no coverage.
<https://i.postimg.cc/qR4BcjfM/speedtest19.jpg> Ookla test log results

> That's when I started to look into T-Mobile even though it had a reputation
> for spotty coverage in my area. I made the switch anyway and have been
> pleased with the improvements which have occurred over the past 2-3 years.

I enjoyed that human interest explanation, which makes you more human since
all your expectations and decisions are that of a logically rational person.

Like you, T-Mobile was my _last_ choice since I started with Verizon in the
analog phone days and since the company paid my entire bill no matter what
was on it. I switched off of Verizon only becuase they upped my 2-year
contract when I had a defective Kyocera replaced under their own replacment
plan, and I was so livid I told them I'd drop them two years later.

And I did.

Then, when I moved to AT&T, while I didn't care about price since the
company paid for my phones and accessories and all my bills, I was happy to
find out that AT&T was cheaper than Verizon with about the same coverage.

Later, when I retired, AT&T allowed me a no data plan on my Blackberry
(which the company let me keep even though they paid for it), but when the
clit died on that Blackerry, AT&T would not all a new "smart" phone to have
no data. Like Apple, AT&T lied by saying it was for my protection, which I
complained about to the FCC and the instant my AT&T contract expired, I
moved to T-Mobile.

At that time, the iPhone was still on AT&T so I had to jailbreak it to give
one of my kids the iPhone she pined for (she's _still_ an iPhone user!)
where again, I found that T-Mobile was a bit cheaper than was AT&T for the
same service.

What I loved about T-Mobile at that time was:
a. They didn't have contracts
b. They allowed you to use any phone you wanted to use
c. They had pretty good prices
d. And they waived every fee I ever asked them to waive (which is plenty)

The coverage?
About the same.

> My bill has remained the same over that period except when I've made
> changes or gotten phones from them.

Yup. This is my experience also. You think in rational logic like I do.

I changed my plan from a $60 for four phones to $100 in order to get data &
European phone calls, but it has remained at that $100 ever since (even as
I've had plenty of phones in between).

I even added two iPads which have SIM cards for free for life (although
Apple kills iPads so the real threat to "life" is Apple and not T-Mobile).
<https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> Two iPads with free SIMs

Most recently they gave me four phones, three of which were free and one of
which (the iPhone) was half price, all with tradeins although the iPhone
tradein was of an already used phone while the others were in the junk box.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15 iPhone, $0 Android phone

> Another factor to consider is customer support. Verizon customer support
> was extremely frustrating for me. I have been very pleased anytime I've
> gone to the T-Mobile store or had to call them.

Again it's nice that you speak as a human to a human (and not as an iKook to
the world), where this is how our experiences may have differed. I, for one,
had no problem with the typical support by _any_ of the three carriers.

I do love that we ALWAYS get a human being when we say "representative" on
T-Mobile and without any wait, but maybe Verizon & AT&T do that too?

Dunno as I rarely call Verizon or AT&T except to weasel a free repeater or
femto cell (which I've done for neighbors) out of them since signal strength
used to be a problem up here in the mountains before 5G arrived.

> When I complained about
> signal strength in my house they gave me a mini tower no charge.

Yup. Same with me. At the time (before the advent of 5G), T-Mobile offered:
a. Either a free cellular repeater, or
b. A free wi-fi-capable router, or
c. A free femtocell (attached to your router)

I took them up on the cellular repeater and on the femtocell (usually they
don't give you more than one but I have a big house so they let me do that).

> Verizon
> refused to do that in the past and I was forced to buy one on eBay.

Yup. I had to argue with Verizon and AT&T in the past to get them to give it
to people for free. It was a hassle compared to T-Mobile.

However... even today, T-Mobile now charges $25 to get the femtocell (they
no longer give you the other stuff). I got one just last year for a neighbor
and I reported it here, where I had to talk to a supervisor for my neighbor.

In the end, T-Mobile credited her account the $25 and then charged her
credit card the $25, so she got it for free. But bear in mind they do charge
now $25 for the femtocell, but you can talk them out of it like I did.

> I can
> say my experiences are night and day between the two carriers, and remember
> that I still carry a Verizon work phone so it's not experiences from the
> past only.

That's good since I only compare Verizon & AT&T to T-Mobile when I hike with
neighbors, all of whom are on the major carriers (I don't know _anyone_ who
plays the crazy MVNO games that Steve plays all the time where I don't
begrudge Steve saving the money except that he shills for Verizon without
even paying for Verizon).

Do you think that's a big disingenuous on Steve's part?

> A few years ago I was so pleased with T-Mobile and believed in their
> direction. I bought their stock. Unfortunately I sold it after a year and
> wish I had kept it.

Heh heh heh... I did the same with Apple stock!

I sold it just as Steve Jobs was coming back because I didn't think he could
bring Apple out of the brink of bankruptcy. Heh heh heh... mea culpa.

In summary, my experience has been similar to yours, where I thank you for
NOT acting like the iKooks do, which is that they defend Apple to the death,
no matter what.

Andy Burnelli wrote:

>I love that you posted a human interest explanation, as that helps
>flesh out that you're a normal person with reasonable and rather
>sensible expectations.

I find that talking about my own experiences is received by others
better than when I talk about my opinion of them.

On 4/6/2022 3:10 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

> I care about the best value over all and that has been T-Mobile for me over
> the past five years or so.

Yes, it’s true that for postpaid service T-Mobile is typically less
expensive than AT&T or Verizon. T-Mobile also bundles in taxes and fees
in their advertised prices which can make a very big difference in some
places with very high tax rates.

OTOH, AT&T and Verizon have prepaid options, both ones they operate and
MVNOs, that are less costly. T-Mobile MVNOs should be avoided because
the lack of included roaming makes their coverage much worse than what
you get on T-Mobile proper. For example, the entire state of Alaska has
no service on T-Mobile MVNOs like Mint.

Personally, I did have four lines of T-Mobile for a while when I wanted
their included international roaming SMS, 20 cent per minute voice
calls, and low-speed international data, for a trip to England and
Ireland. The voice and SMS worked well in Europe but the data was too
slow to be useful. When we returned to California it was clear that we
could not continue with T-Mobile. We had two children away at college,
and the route to visit them in San Diego and Santa Cruz lacked T-Mobile
coverage in several areas.

Some people insist that even though they have no T-Mobile coverage at
home that it doesn’t matter because T-Mobile provided them with a free
micro-cell that hooks up to their broadband data. Of course these days,
with Wi-Fi calling, there’s not much need for separate microcells.

I certainly understand the appeal of paying less for a product or
service, but I’m reminded of the quote: “There is hardly anything in the
world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper,
and the people who consider price alone are that person's lawful prey.”
― Author Unknown

sms wrote:

> Personally, I did have four lines of T-Mobile for a while when I wanted
> their included international roaming SMS, 20 cent per minute voice
> calls, and low-speed international data, for a trip to England and
> Ireland. The voice and SMS worked well in Europe but the data was too
> slow to be useful.

I find that, at least in Munchen where I go a few times a year to visit
relatives, the T-Mobile 20 cent voice _and_ free roaming data work fine.

The only problem is they don't give the unlimited free roaming data on the
iPads.

Maybe Steve is camping in the alps where he finds the lack of signal?

BTW T-Mobile will only give the free unlimited European data for my
smartphones. I can't complain though as my iPad T-Mobile SIMs are free for
life on the iPads (where Apple is a far greater threat to the life of the
iPad than anything else is).

In article <t2l17e$u65$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> OTOH, AT&T and Verizon have prepaid options, both ones they operate and
> MVNOs, that are less costly.

t-mobile has prepaid options.

> T-Mobile MVNOs should be avoided because
> the lack of included roaming makes their coverage much worse than what
> you get on T-Mobile proper.

nonsense. you've clearly never used a t-mobile mvno.

> For example, the entire state of Alaska has
> no service on T-Mobile MVNOs like Mint.

that is also wrong. t-mobile customers can use their phones in alaska
without issue.

On 6 Apr 2022 at 10:37:48 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> The voice and SMS worked well in Europe but the data was too
> slow to be useful.

Since there aren't any TMobile, AT&T or Verizon towers in Europe, why would
the speed you get on any one USA carrier be any different when all of those
USA carriers would be roaming on local telecoms when you're in Europe?

Cheers, Rob

On 4/6/2022 3:58 PM, RJH wrote:
> On 6 Apr 2022 at 10:37:48 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> The voice and SMS worked well in Europe but the data was too
>> slow to be useful.
>
> Since there aren't any TMobile, AT&T or Verizon towers in Europe, why would
> the speed you get on any one USA carrier be any different when all of those
> USA carriers would be roaming on local telecoms when you're in Europe?

There actually are T-Mobile towers in three countries in Europe
(Germany, Netherlands, and Czech Republic), but that's beside the point.

The problem with the included international roaming data on T-Mobile
U.S.A. is throttled to 128 Kb/sec. Fast enough to do e-mail, but not
very useful for web browsing or to use GPS mapping functions.

After experiencing the nearly unusable 128 Kb/s roaming data, the next
two trips we made to Europe I bought local SIM cards that included high
speed data. With EU rules, those worked in all EU and EEA countries.
Sadly, with Brexit, the SIM cards sold by UK carriers like Vodafone,
have been greatly worsened. I did the same thing on two trips to China
in 2018 and 2019.

On the trips to Italy and China I was traveling with others and some of
them were just sure that their included T-Mobile international data
would eliminate the need for buying a local SIM card. They were wrong. I
set up a hotspot and let them tether into my phone. For $15 per month
they could upgrade from 128 Kb/s to 256 Kb/s. If they wanted high speed
data it was $5/day for 512MB, 5GB/10 days for $35, or 15GB/30 days for
$50. This is way more expensive than buying a local SIM card. The
Vodafone card that I bought in 2019 was £1 per day for 500MB of high
speed data (plus unlimited talk and SMS).

In article <t2l8ik$7it$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> The problem with the included international roaming data on T-Mobile
> U.S.A. is throttled to 128 Kb/sec. Fast enough to do e-mail, but not
> very useful for web browsing or to use GPS mapping functions.

t-mobile international roaming is *free*.

On 7 Apr 2022 at 12:43:14 AM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> The problem with the included international roaming data on T-Mobile
> U.S.A. is throttled to 128 Kb/sec.

Where does it say that and where does it say that Verizon & AT&T aren't?

Cheers, Rob

In article <t2lcdh$15g7$1@gioia.aioe.org>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
wrote:

> > The problem with the included international roaming data on T-Mobile
> > U.S.A. is throttled to 128 Kb/sec.
>
> Where does it say that and where does it say that Verizon & AT&T aren't?

<https://www.t-mobile.com/support/coverage/international-roaming-service
s>
€ Magenta, ONE Plan, and Simple Choice plans give you unlimited 2G
data and texting in more than 210 countries and destinations at no
extra charge, while voice calls are $0.25/minute. (Look up calling
and messaging rates.)

unlimited *2g* speeds. keep in mind that it's *free*.

in the fine print, at the bottom:
Standard speeds approx. 128 Kbps

On 4/6/2022 5:48 PM, RJH wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022 at 12:43:14 AM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem with the included international roaming data on T-Mobile
>> U.S.A. is throttled to 128 Kb/sec.
>
> Where does it say that and where does it say that Verizon & AT&T aren't?
>
> Cheers, Rob

From <https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/roaming>: "When you travel
abroad in 210+ countries and destinations you will have unlimited data
at up to 128 kbps"

AT&T and Verizon require the purchase of international plans, see
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UylOYNj75fuyDte8kFsejz5lFoKnrcI09ehLmrqeWOs/>

AT&T has the best deal for high-speed data since they provide unlimited
high-speed data, the first line is $10 per day and additional lines are
$5 per day, with a 10 day cap after which there are no additional
charges (in the same billing period).

If your phone supports eSIM then it's a better deal to buy an
international data plan and use a VOIP provider for voice calls. For
example, for $18 you can buy 5GB for 21 days in Europe
<https://esimdb.com/region/europe/globalesim>. If you want to buy data
for only one country then US Mobile is $10 for 5GB for 30 days, $18 for
10GB for 30 days
<https://www.usmobile.com/international-roaming-phone-plans>.

On 7 Apr 2022 at 3:14:32 AM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> AT&T and Verizon require the purchase of international plans,

How much does TMobile charge for that same fast data as Verizon & AT&T?

Cheers, Rob

On 7 Apr 2022 at 2:03:44 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> unlimited *2g* speeds. keep in mind that it's *free*.

Thank you for those figures.

It's not fair for him to say bad things about one carrier whose unlimited
data is free while the other carriers charge $10 a day for faster data.

How much is the same slow data on those other carriers (AT&T & Verizon)?

Cheers, Rob

In article <t2lmm3$5dd$1@gioia.aioe.org>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
wrote:

>
> > unlimited *2g* speeds. keep in mind that it's *free*.
>
> Thank you for those figures.
>
> It's not fair for him to say bad things about one carrier whose unlimited
> data is free while the other carriers charge $10 a day for faster data.
>
> How much is the same slow data on those other carriers (AT&T & Verizon)?

they only offer fast data for a fee.

t-mobile offers free 2g as well as faster options for a fee.

On 4/6/2022 8:44 PM, RJH wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022 at 2:03:44 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> unlimited *2g* speeds. keep in mind that it's *free*.
>
> Thank you for those figures.
>
> It's not fair for him to say bad things about one carrier whose unlimited
> data is free while the other carriers charge $10 a day for faster data.
>
> How much is the same slow data on those other carriers (AT&T & Verizon)?

No included slow data on AT&T or Verizon.

"Free" is not the really the right adjective. "Included" is the right
adjective.

It is true that T-Mobile tries to compensate for their other issues by
including extras. Besides the included international SMS and 2G data,
you also get basic Netflix and "T-Mobile Tuesday" giveaways and
discounts which in the past have included discounted movie tickets, free
Taco Bell tacos, free blankets, free bento boxes, a free Burger King
Whopper, etc. (see <https://www.tmonews.com/tag/t-mobile-tuesdays> for a
list of past deals).

It's not unfair to point out the fact that the 2G data is so slow that
it's not much benefit when traveling, and I've personally experienced
this on T-Mobile, as well as having been on two trips where I ended up
letting others tether to my phone's hotspot which provided high speed
data because they could not use the low-speed data for applications like
Facebook or for sending photos.

128 Kb/s or 256 Kb/s might have been fine when all people did was send
e-mail, but if you want to web browse, use a navigation application that
depends on data, or send photos, then it would not be practical.

Experienced travelers, paying for their own service, will buy a prepaid
SIM card for the country or region they are visiting. This has become
much easier and more practical, as well as less expensive, with the
advent of eSIMs since there's no need to search for a prepaid SIM card
when you arrive in a country or order one online from Amazon where the
cost will be much higher. These are data-only cards but with the advent
of VOIP this is not a big deal. What you want to do, before you leave on
a trip, is to forward your native mobile number to your Google Voice
number. You can also receive SMS on your Google Voice number, but you
can't send SMS to foreign numbers using Google Voice. However this is of
little consequence in most countries since SMS is not widely used,
people use WhatsApp (Europe, India, Central and South America) or WeChat
(China), or Line (Taiwan), or Viber.

Since all recent vintage iPhones support eSIMs, it's easy to try it out.
For Android phones that lack eSIM support you can add eSIM support for
less than $25 (2 eSIM profiles) <https://esim.me/>.

In article <t2mou0$ks5$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> It is true that T-Mobile tries to compensate for their other issues by
> including extras.

that is not true. t-mobie is not compensating for anything. they simply
have a better and more competitive product.

> It's not unfair to point out the fact that the 2G data is so slow that
> it's not much benefit when traveling,

it's perfectly fine for messaging, checking the weather, etc., the
types of things people actually do when traveling.

more bandwidth intensive tasks can be done via wifi.

In message <060420221853308566%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t2l17e$u65$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>> OTOH, AT&T and Verizon have prepaid options, both ones they operate and
>> MVNOs, that are less costly.

> t-mobile has prepaid options.

>> T-Mobile MVNOs should be avoided because
>> the lack of included roaming makes their coverage much worse than what
>> you get on T-Mobile proper.

> nonsense. you've clearly never used a t-mobile mvno.

>> For example, the entire state of Alaska has
>> no service on T-Mobile MVNOs like Mint.

> that is also wrong. t-mobile customers can use their phones in alaska
> without issue.

And in Canada. And in Mexico. And in Norway. And the UK.

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