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computers / comp.mail.mutt / Re: Overlooking attachments

SubjectAuthor
* Overlooking attachmentsPeter Pearson
`* Re: Overlooking attachmentsJorgen Grahn
 `* Re: Overlooking attachmentsPeter Pearson
  `- Re: Overlooking attachmentsJorgen Grahn

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Subject: Overlooking attachments
From: Peter Pearson
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 00:11 UTC
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
From: pkpear...@nowhere.invalid (Peter Pearson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Subject: Overlooking attachments
Date: 29 Aug 2020 00:11:24 GMT
Lines: 19
Message-ID: <hqtkpcFsojaU1@mid.individual.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Trace: individual.net MeVHOUasMbmZe7fyk+Y5kgphmHXLHbISJ+nZnOZGXQtnty/6wG
Cancel-Lock: sha1:kAUAn8N9PEHgB7+vvYSCM2HMiv8=
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
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People sometimes send me email with attachments, but don't mention
the attachments in the text of the email, with the sometimes
embarassing result that I overlook the attachment entirely.
I've inserted a "%X" into index_format, which supposedly displays
the number of attachments, but that seems not to work for messages
with complicated structures like this:

  I     1 <no description>                     [multipa/alternativ, 7bit, 505K]
  I     2 ├─><no description>                [text/plain, 7bit, us-ascii, 0.1K]
  I     3 └─><no description>                     [multipa/related, 7bit, 505K]
  I     4   ├─><no description>               [text/html, 7bit, us-ascii, 0.5K]
  I     5   └─>Screen Shot 2020-08-28 at 15.54.28.png [image/png, base64, 504K]

The message describe above is listed with an attachment count (%X) of zero.

How does everybody else deal with this?

--
To email me, substitute nowhere->runbox, invalid->com.


Subject: Re: Overlooking attachments
From: Jorgen Grahn
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 06:05 UTC
References: 1
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news-2.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
From: grahn+n...@snipabacken.se (Jorgen Grahn)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Subject: Re: Overlooking attachments
Date: 29 Aug 2020 06:05:35 GMT
Lines: 42
Message-ID: <slrnrkjs1f.1pog.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>
References: <hqtkpcFsojaU1@mid.individual.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Trace: individual.net Trb6OG9zrSNZllFjjeOOQAxegqveG4N1ptyKrHxLo6atknIdj6
Cancel-Lock: sha1:nLSArREnEGN29jbkTtDmpCF2QjM=
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On Sat, 2020-08-29, Peter Pearson wrote:
People sometimes send me email with attachments, but don't mention
the attachments in the text of the email, with the sometimes
embarassing result that I overlook the attachment entirely.
I've inserted a "%X" into index_format, which supposedly displays
the number of attachments, but that seems not to work for messages
with complicated structures like this:

  I     1 <no description>                     [multipa/alternativ, 7bit, 505K]
  I     2 ├─><no description>                [text/plain, 7bit, us-ascii, 0.1K]
  I     3 └─><no description>                     [multipa/related, 7bit, 505K]
  I     4   ├─><no description>               [text/html, 7bit, us-ascii, 0.5K]
  I     5   └─>Screen Shot 2020-08-28 at 15.54.28.png [image/png, base64, 504K]

The message describe above is listed with an attachment count (%X) of zero.

That may be because there /are/ no attachments in a sense.  IIUC, the
"I" is for "inline", as opposed to "A" for "attachment".

The example looks like a mail that comes in two versions:
- text/plain
- HTML with an inline image

only the text/plain is a poor representation of the HTML in this case,
since it omits the screenshot (and doesn't even say "here should be a
pretty large image" anywhere?)

I think if you counted everything but the two multipart/alternative
parts as attachments, you might see a lot of false positives in the form
of purely decorative images in mail headers and footers.

How does everybody else deal with this?

I don't deal with it well, but I don't get a lot of HTML mail because
normal people don't seem to use mail nowadays.  I guess I often press
'v' if I get the feeling I'm missing something.

/Jorgen

--
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .


Subject: Re: Overlooking attachments
From: Peter Pearson
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 15:25 UTC
References: 1 2
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.goja.nl.eu.org!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news-2.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
From: pkpear...@nowhere.invalid (Peter Pearson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Subject: Re: Overlooking attachments
Date: 29 Aug 2020 15:25:05 GMT
Lines: 23
Message-ID: <hqvaahF8psvU1@mid.individual.net>
References: <hqtkpcFsojaU1@mid.individual.net>
<slrnrkjs1f.1pog.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>
X-Trace: individual.net 8Kwdtd7TPN5PDeGtdY8ScwZApw425wGaW24tTC1ku+XTnPqeeH
Cancel-Lock: sha1:n9aX1ZLQBpfDYiPR10nOTG1B7ls=
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On 29 Aug 2020 06:05:35 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
On Sat, 2020-08-29, Peter Pearson wrote:
[snip]
The message describe above is listed with an attachment count (%X) of zero.
[snip]

I think if you counted everything but the two multipart/alternative
parts as attachments, you might see a lot of false positives in the form
of purely decorative images in mail headers and footers.

Yes, absolutely.


How does everybody else deal with this?

I don't deal with it well, but I don't get a lot of HTML mail because
normal people don't seem to use mail nowadays.  I guess I often press
'v' if I get the feeling I'm missing something.

Clear, if discouraging.  Thank you.

--
To email me, substitute nowhere->runbox, invalid->com.


Subject: Re: Overlooking attachments
From: Jorgen Grahn
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:02 UTC
References: 1 2 3
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.goja.nl.eu.org!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news-2.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
From: grahn+n...@snipabacken.se (Jorgen Grahn)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Subject: Re: Overlooking attachments
Date: 29 Aug 2020 17:02:59 GMT
Lines: 21
Message-ID: <slrnrkl2i3.1pog.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>
References: <hqtkpcFsojaU1@mid.individual.net>
<slrnrkjs1f.1pog.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>
<hqvaahF8psvU1@mid.individual.net>
X-Trace: individual.net KR7DlgmkB1hKFtHVxT/TXAevGgd63X6sl198y9mfhwqVkjBzA+
Cancel-Lock: sha1:dxx2ymKbExVoivcScMgnd22uMG0=
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On Sat, 2020-08-29, Peter Pearson wrote:
On 29 Aug 2020 06:05:35 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
On Sat, 2020-08-29, Peter Pearson wrote:
....

How does everybody else deal with this?

I don't deal with it well, but I don't get a lot of HTML mail because
normal people don't seem to use mail nowadays.  I guess I often press
'v' if I get the feeling I'm missing something.

Clear, if discouraging.  Thank you.

That's just me, though. I haven't optimized my Mutt workflow in a
decade.

/Jorgen

--
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .


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