On 2023-09-11, bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/11/2023 1:58 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>
>> Do you trust the groceries you purchase?  What about e-coli on vegetables?
>
> And your other choice is?
>

Become a prepper and become responsible for your own food. :-)

Simon.

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On 11/09/2023 11:48, Chris Townley wrote:

>
> Acknowledged on the forum:
>
> Thank you for reporting the issue. We already know about it and hope to
> have it fixed by the end of the day. We will let everyone know once we
> are done.
>
> Thank you,
>
> VSI Website Support Team
>
> Chris
>

Forum seems OK now, but the rest of VMSSOFTWARE.COM seems borked!

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Chris

On 2023-09-12, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Forum seems OK now, but the rest of VMSSOFTWARE.COM seems borked!
>

What problems are you seeing now Chris and with what browser ?

It _appears_ to be OK for me (using Firefox) or at least some links
I just clicked on worked OK.

Simon.

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On 12/09/2023 18:19, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-09-12, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Forum seems OK now, but the rest of VMSSOFTWARE.COM seems borked!
>>
>
> What problems are you seeing now Chris and with what browser ?
>
> It _appears_ to be OK for me (using Firefox) or at least some links
> I just clicked on worked OK.
>
> Simon.
>

I Got a load of 502 errors, then after a while 504 errors. After a
while, I rebooted, cleared cache and all seems OK now

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Chris

On 9/11/2023 9:00 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-09-11, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>> Acknowledged on the forum:
>>
>> Thank you for reporting the issue. We already know about it and hope to
>> have it fixed by the end of the day. We will let everyone know once we
>> are done.
>
> I would like to know what went wrong and if it's just a certificate
> screwup or whether VSI got compromised.
>
> I hope it's just a certificate screwup, but I think VSI should confirm that.

They posted:

<quote>
The certificate issues are fixed. There was no hacking involved, the
issue was on our side.

Thank you for your reports and sorry for a possible inconvenience.
</quote>

Arne

On 2023-09-12, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>
> They posted:
>
><quote>
> The certificate issues are fixed. There was no hacking involved, the
> issue was on our side.
>
> Thank you for your reports and sorry for a possible inconvenience.
></quote>
>

Thanks Arne.

Interesting how its suddenly a problem this year when it wasn't in
previous years. I wonder if there's been a change of crew behind
the scenes ?

Simon.

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On 9/13/2023 8:08 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-09-12, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> They posted:
>>
>> <quote>
>> The certificate issues are fixed. There was no hacking involved, the
>> issue was on our side.
>>
>> Thank you for your reports and sorry for a possible inconvenience.
>> </quote>

> Interesting how its suddenly a problem this year when it wasn't in
> previous years. I wonder if there's been a change of crew behind
> the scenes ?

Maybe.

Or:

program remember
real*4 mth$random
integer*4 seed(2), i
call sys$gettim(seed)
do 100 i = 1, 20
if(mth$random(seed).lt.0.1) then
write(*,*) 'forgot'
else
write(*,*) 'remembered'
end if
100 continue
end

Arne

On 9/12/2023 3:08 AM, gah4 wrote:
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:58:31 AM UTC-7, Simon Clubley wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> And when that happens (and it does sometimes happen), that issuer has just
>> committed suicide if it can be shown to be incompetence on the part of the
>> issuer. CAs have been dropped in the past from the major web browsers
>> because of this, but I can't remember the details.
>
>> (Other possibilities include a nation-state attack with a vector the issuer
>> could not reasonably have been aware of).
>
> This often enough happens when there isn't much trust needed.
>
> If I want to download some documentation, so that no personal
> information is needed, why the security?

[I'm late in the game, but not so late a reply isn't worth it.]

The real reason for SSL everywhere is, putting my tinfoil hat on, to
make sure ISPs can't mess with Google's business model: sell ads.

People who've never experienced it, can't really imagine it, but HTML
injection used to be a thing, and ISPs would inject ads on pages their
customers browsed, possibly replacing the Google ads.

My own experience -- when I noticed it -- was rather benign: the cafe's
wifi bill hadn't been paid, and since I was browsing a http only website
at the time, I got the notification, and showed the staff.

Xah Lee has a screenshot on his website, of the problem in action.

http://xahlee.info/w/china_ISP_ad_injection.html

And a link to Ars Technica article from 2013 on the subject. Which is
coincidentally the same time frame letsencrypt started. I remember
reading about letsencrypt in 2013 or so, but it wasn't ready yet, so I
couldn't use it for my own website at the time.

My personal take on it is this: it's much more believable that it's all
about Google's business model than end user security, but we're being
told it's about security, as a psyop.

[snip]

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On 9/27/2023 9:30 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> On 9/12/2023 3:08 AM, gah4 wrote:
>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:58:31 AM UTC-7, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>> And when that happens (and it does sometimes happen), that issuer has just
>>> committed suicide if it can be shown to be incompetence on the part of the
>>> issuer. CAs have been dropped in the past from the major web browsers
>>> because of this, but I can't remember the details.
>>
>>> (Other possibilities include a nation-state attack with a vector the issuer
>>> could not reasonably have been aware of).
>>
>> This often enough happens when there isn't much trust needed.
>>
>> If I want to download some documentation, so that no personal
>> information is needed, why the security?
>
> [I'm late in the game, but not so late a reply isn't worth it.]
>
> The real reason for SSL everywhere is, putting my tinfoil hat on, to
> make sure ISPs can't mess with Google's business model: sell ads.
>
> People who've never experienced it, can't really imagine it, but HTML
> injection used to be a thing, and ISPs would inject ads on pages their
> customers browsed, possibly replacing the Google ads.
>
> My own experience -- when I noticed it -- was rather benign: the cafe's
> wifi bill hadn't been paid, and since I was browsing a http only website
> at the time, I got the notification, and showed the staff.
>
> Xah Lee has a screenshot on his website, of the problem in action.
>
> http://xahlee.info/w/china_ISP_ad_injection.html
>
> And a link to Ars Technica article from 2013 on the subject. Which is
> coincidentally the same time frame letsencrypt started. I remember
> reading about letsencrypt in 2013 or so, but it wasn't ready yet, so I
> couldn't use it for my own website at the time.
>
> My personal take on it is this: it's much more believable that it's all
> about Google's business model than end user security, but we're being
> told it's about security, as a psyop.
>
> [snip]
>

Q-anon would be proud ...

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On 2023-09-28, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>
> Q-anon would be proud ...
>

People in your country do indeed seem to be losing touch with reality.

You live in a country where Donald Trump has a _really_ good
chance of becoming president again. :-(

You also live in a country where the current president cares so
little about his military that he does things like continually
looking at his watch during a repatriation ceremony and where
the current administration has just kicked a 95-year-old Korean
war veteran out of his home to make way for refugees. :-(

Either way, it looks like you are screwed... :-(

Simon.

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On 9/29/2023 8:25 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-09-28, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Q-anon would be proud ...
>>
>
> People in your country do indeed seem to be losing touch with reality.

Happens everywhere, to some extent.

> You live in a country where Donald Trump has a _really_ good
> chance of becoming president again. :-(

Ok, I've been surprised before, and acknowledge that it can happen again. But
as I see things, there is no way the American voters will allow Trump to win any
elections. Yes, there are fools who worship him. And there are reasons for that.

In 2016 the Democrats pushed Hilary Clinton on the voting public. "We don't
need you to get involved, we'll tell you who you're getting." Well, that
backfired on them and the voters decided that they would not be dictated to.

The problem is that the majority of Americans are neither interested in the far
left policies of some, nor in the far right policies of others. The Democrats
pushed too hard, and got rejected. Four years later Trump was shown to be a
really bad idea and A really poor choice won the election.

Biden is a disaster, but, not as bad as Trump. One would think that from over
300 million people, the US could find someone better than those two. So, you're
right below when you claim that we are screwed.

The majority of Americans are in the middle, but the way things are set up, the
fanatics seem to control the choices presented to the voters.

> Either way, it looks like you are screwed... :-(

Yep ...

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