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Re: iOS 17.0.3 has dropped

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From: jollyro...@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 02:49 UTC

On 2023-10-05, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 10/4/23 21:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> Yes, yes, it "doesn't matter" that Google *CREATED* the zero day! 🤣
>
> But how fast will the fix be implemented in Google products vs Apple?

Try to pay attention. It was patched by Apple in iOS 17.03, which is
what this entire thread is about:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213961>

Were you born slow, or is this just a recent thing? It's no wonder you
gleefully fall for the troll gang's bullshit here.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:00 UTC

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>> This is wrong. No wonder you don't understand a word I've been saying.
>> If Apple _finds_ the bug, it's _not_ a zero-day bug, Dorper.
>
>> That's how zero day holes work.
>> That means "someone else" caught them first.
>
> That makes a lot more sense when put that way, Ty

Thanks for appreciating the simple distinction for what a zero-day is.

Having worked in software for many decades, I'm well aware of how a
zero-day hole differs from a regular bug - but when I looked up a reference
for Dorper - I was chagrined to see they don't explain it well (IMHO).

It's a simple as what I said - which is it's a hole someone else found
(which means they got the jump on Apple twice as often as with Android).

I'm sure the iKooks who are always uneducated and ignorant about everything
(hell, they still think Apple fully patches more than a single release!),
will quibble about the definition but look at what it says here...
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_(computing)>

The first sentence says what I said, only a bit more convolutedly so:
"A zero-day (also known as a 0-day) is a vulnerability in a
computer system that was previously unknown to its developers
or anyone capable of mitigating it."

In this case, the bug is known to "someone" well before Apple has a clue.
That's bad.

What's worse is iOS has two to three times these as does Android.
That's really bad.

Look at this definition, which again doesn't say it as simply as I do
(but I've worked with complex software for decades so I know what it is).
<https://www.csoonline.com/article/565704/zero-days-explained-how-unknown-vulnerabilities-become-gateways-for-attackers.html>

Again, it shows that "someone" knows about it before Apple does.
"Borrowed into the world of cybersecurity, the name evokes a scenario
where an attacker has gotten the jump on a software vendor,
implementing attacks that exploit the flaw before the good guys
of infosec are able to respond."

I think Dorper is NOT an ignorant uneducated low-IQ person.
I think he's probably normal in terms of intelligence & cognizance.

So I was wondering _why_ Dorper wasn't aware that iOS always has two
to three times the number of zero-day holes than does Android.

It turns out Dorper wasn't aware of what a zero-day hole is.
And that's fine.

Ignorance can be (easily) cured (so I'm not worried about Dorper).
It's stupidity that can't be cured (e.g., the IQ of all of the iKooks).

The two questions I'd like to ask Dorper why he thinks are happening are
1. Why is iOS historically two to three times worse in zero-day holes?
2. Why is iOS historically always exploited around ten times more?

Bear in mind I think I know exactly why - and it's two different answers.
Where both have a lot to do with how Apple builds, tests & releases iOS.
--
If you're unaware of how differently Apple builds, tests and releases iOS,
then you'll never be able to understand why iOS is so vastly more insecure.

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 by: Dorper - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:10 UTC

On Oct 4, 2023, Wally J wrote
(in article <ufl6l6$o5l3$1@dont-email.me>):

> Doesn't matter to my point which is that iOS had the zero-day hole> which Apple didn't know about until someone else (Google it was!)
> told Apple about it.

Android had the same vulnerability.

> The point is not any one hole but the fact Apple has two to three times the

This is false

> HINT: Think about the primitive release mechanism that only iOS uses.

Rapid Security Response?

> Keep in mind the difference between a bug and a zero-day bug.
> They're not the same as what matters is who caught them first.
> Insiders or outsiders.

Whatever, my definition was slightly off.

Now how about you give evidence of your 3x figure. Because you are making a
fuss about update systems. You must include the entirety of Google Play
Services, Android, Qualcomm Drivers, Chrome, Linux, Samsung Bloatware, etc.
in your calculations.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:16 UTC

On 2023-10-05, Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2023, Wally J wrote
> (in article <ufl6l6$o5l3$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Doesn't matter to my point which is that iOS had the zero-day hole>
>> which Apple didn't know about until someone else (Google it was!)
>> told Apple about it.
>
> Android had the same vulnerability.

And it was Google who created the software with the vulnerability in the
first place:

<https://www.rezilion.com/blog/the-cve-2023-5217-deja-vu-another-actively-exploited-chrome-vulnerability-affecting-a-webm-project-library-libvpx/>

>> The point is not any one hole but the fact Apple has two to three
>> times the
>
> This is false

He has *never* been able to prove this ludicrous claim, but that doesn't
stop him from bellowing it every chance he gets, nor does it stop his
gullible twit followers from lapping it up as gospel.

>> HINT: Think about the primitive release mechanism that only iOS uses.
>
> Rapid Security Response?

"So primitive, y'all!"

>> Keep in mind the difference between a bug and a zero-day bug.
>> They're not the same as what matters is who caught them first.
>> Insiders or outsiders.
>
> Whatever, my definition was slightly off.
>
> Now how about you give evidence of your 3x figure. Because you are
> making a fuss about update systems. You must include the entirety of
> Google Play Services, Android, Qualcomm Drivers, Chrome, Linux,
> Samsung Bloatware, etc. in your calculations.

He won't because he *can't*. 😉

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 by: Dorper - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:17 UTC

On Oct 4, 2023, Wally J wrote
(in article <ufl8sp$oisa$1@dont-email.me>):

> (words words words)

A list of vulns that had to be patched in JUST the last month in Android:

CVE-2023-21266
A-223376078
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/5b7edbf2ba076b040
00eb5d27101927eeb609c26)
EoP
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40116
A-270368476
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/18c3b194642f3949d
09e48c21da5658fa04994c8) [2
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/18c3b194642f3949d
09e48c21da5658fa04994c8)]
EoP
High
11, 12, 12L

CVE-2023-40120
A-274775190
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/d26544e5a4fd554b7
90b4d0c5964d9e95d9e626b)
EoP
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40131
A-282919145
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/native/+/0cda11569dd256f
f3220b4fe44f861f8081d7116)
EoP
High
12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40140
A-274058082
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/2d88a5c481df8986d
bba2e02c5bf82f105b36243)
EoP
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-21291
A-277593270
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/cb6282e8970f4c9db
5497889699e68fb2038566e)
ID
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40121
A-224771621
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/3287ac2d2565dc96b
f6177967f8e3aed33954253)
ID
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40134
A-283101289
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/08becc8c600f14c55
29115cc1a1e0c97cd503f33)
ID
High
12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40136
A-281666022
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/08becc8c600f14c55
29115cc1a1e0c97cd503f33)
ID
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40137
A-281665050
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/08becc8c600f14c55
29115cc1a1e0c97cd503f33)
ID
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40138
A-281534749
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/08becc8c600f14c55
29115cc1a1e0c97cd503f33)
ID
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40139
A-281533566
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/08becc8c600f14c55
29115cc1a1e0c97cd503f33)
ID
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40129
A-273874525
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/modules/Bluetooth/+/c0151a
a3ba76c785b32c7f9d16c98febe53017b1)
RCE
Critical
12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-21244
A-276729064
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/3a448067ac9ebdf66
9951e90678c2daa592a81d3) [2
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/20aedba4998373add
c2befcc455a118585559fef)] [3
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/5a3d0c131175d923c
f35c7beb3ee77a9e6485dad)]
EoP
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40117
A-253043065
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Settings/+/11815817de
2f2d70fe842b108356a1bc75d44ffb) [2
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/ff86ff28cf82124f8
e65833a2dd8c319aea08945)]
EoP
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40125
A-279902472
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Settings/+/63d464c3fa
5c7b9900448fef3844790756e557eb)
EoP
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40128
A-274231102
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/libxml2/+/1ccf89b87a3969ed
d56956e2d447f896037c8be7)
EoP
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40130
A-289809991
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/services/Telecomm/+/5b3354
01d1c8de7d1c85f4a0cf353f7f9fc30218)
EoP
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40123
A-278246904
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/7212a4bec2d2f1a74
fa54a12a04255d6a183baa9)
ID
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40127
A-262244882
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/providers/MediaProvider/+/
747431250612507e8289ae8eb1a56303e79ab678)
ID
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40133
A-283264674
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/08becc8c600f14c55
29115cc1a1e0c97cd503f33)
ID
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-40135
A-281848557
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/08becc8c600f14c55
29115cc1a1e0c97cd503f33)
ID
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-21252
A-275339978
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/modules/Wifi/+/044ab068415
3c4effb9f4fda47df43ccdc77bda8) [2
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/modules/Wifi/+/50b08ee30e0
4d185e5ae97a5f717d436fd5a90f3)]
DoS
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

CVE-2023-21253
A-266580022
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/84df68840b6f24071
46e722ebd95a7d8bc6e3529) [2
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/tools/apksig/+/039f815895f62c9f8af2
3df66622b66246f3f61e)] [3
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/tools/apksig/+/41d882324288085fd32a
e0bb70dc85f5fd0e2be7)]
DoS
High
11, 12, 12L, 13

MediaProvider
CVE-2023-40127

WiFi
CVE-2023-21252

CVE-2021-44828
A-296461583 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Mali

CVE-2022-28348
A-296463357 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Mali

CVE-2023-4211
A-294605494 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Mali

CVE-2023-33200
A-287627703 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Mali

CVE-2023-34970
A-287624919 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Mali

CVE-2023-20819
A-294779648
M-MOLY01068234 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
CDMA PPP protocol

CVE-2023-32819
A-294779649
M-ALPS07993705 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
display

CVE-2023-32820
A-294781433
M-ALPS07932637 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
wlan firmware

CVE-2023-40638
A-296491611
U-2212107*
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Android

CVE-2023-33029
A-290061916
QC-CR#3446314
(https://git.codelinaro.org/clo/la/kernel/msm-5.4/-
/commit/d4b9e0d3bfcb5213e23f5642cb8dcc1433542303)
High
Kernel

CVE-2023-33034
A-290060972
QC-CR#3438425
(https://git.codelinaro.org/clo/la/platform/vendor/opensource/audio-kernel/-
/commit/dcfb376d706d85a27a9cdbda43b4701747dafd6f)
High
Audio

CVE-2023-33035
A-290061247
QC-CR#3438021
(https://git.codelinaro.org/clo/la/platform/vendor/opensource/audio-kernel/-
/commit/00dc5c043e24be3e38a93b6a7d17d1a474f713c6)
High
Audio

CVE-2023-24855
A-276750662 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
Critical
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-28540
A-276751073 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
Critical
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-33028
A-290060590 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
Critical
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-21673
A-276750698 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-22385
A-276750699 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-24843
A-276750762 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-24844
A-276750872 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-24847
A-276751090 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-24848
A-276750995*
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-24849
A-276751370*
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-24850
A-276751108 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-24853
A-276751372 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-33026
A-290061996 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-33027
A-290061249 *
(https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-10-01#asterisk)
High
Closed-source component

CVE-2023-4863
A-299477569
RCE
Critical
11, 12, 12L, 13


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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:20 UTC

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

> On 10/4/23 20:38, Dorper wrote:
>> The term zero-day doesn't mean anything. Any security flaw that isn't
>> intentionally put in there is a zero-day. You can go check the NVD and you
>> will see that the # of CVEs for Android is higher than the # of CVEs for iOS.
>> I don't know where you are getting this "3x" number from.
>>
>
> A Zero-day exploit is any exploit that gets exploited before the
> developers know about it. It does "mean something".
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_(computing)

Yes. You are correct. But let's be careful about defining
the "exploit" versus the "vulnerability", where I've been saying,
very clearly...
a. iOS historically has two to three times the zero-day holes, and,
b. iOS historically has something like ten times the exploits in the wild.

Where the exploit means someone crafted a way to take advantage of
the vulnerability (and that's never for a good purpose, mind you).

But back to Dorper's need to understand first and foremost the
critical distinction between a simple flaw and a zero-day hole.
<https://www.csoonline.com/article/565704/zero-days-explained-how-unknown-vulnerabilities-become-gateways-for-attackers.html>
"The question of who knows about these flaws is crucial."

Dorper was wrong in his assumption that any old bug was the same as a
zero-day bug. They're not at all the same in terms of who knows about them
(where therein lies the risk of iOS having many times more of them!).

Having worked with software for decades, I inherently understand zero-day
bugs, where I do agree with others that the stated definitions are cloudy.

But it's really as simple as "who found it?".
a. If Apple found it, it's not a zero-day hole.
b. If "someone else" found it, it's definitely a zero-day hole.
By definition, in fact. (pun intended)
c. Whether or not it's exploited in the wild makes it even worse
(where Apple's exploited zero-day holes are ten times that of Android).

There are reasons for why Apple's iOS is so insecure compared to Android,
but we have to understand how Apple builds, tests & ships iOS to know why.
--
Maybe Dorper can post a followup in the "I was wrong" thread which
was kindly authored by badgolferman. How he responds to this is key.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:22 UTC

On 2023-10-05, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
> a. iOS historically has two to three times the zero-day holes, and,
> b. iOS historically has something like ten times the exploits in the wild.

False, and you've never been able to provide a source for your made-up
bullshit numbers. 🙂

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:30 UTC

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

>> (words words words)
>
> A list of vulns that had to be patched in JUST the last month in Android:

Hi Dorper,

I feel sorry for you.
I really do.

I think it's revealing that you think the clarification of what a zero-day
bug is (compared to the thousands upon thousands of "regular" bugs) is
"words... words... words"

It's like explaining to a dog the metric tensor in Einstein's equations.

To you, the fact iOS has 17 zero-day holes is the same as the tens of
thousands (who knows how many!) "bugs" that Apple found in iOS software.

Who is that ignorant?

You need to stop defending Apple to the death, Dorper.
You need to put your adult hat on and distuingish between types of bugs.
a. You need to understand that 17 zero-day bugs is a lot,
b. While thousands (upon thousands) of regular bugs is just normal.

You don't understand that yet.
Until you do - no adult conversation is possible with you.

I will simply restate my point of view based on the facts of the matter.
a. iOS has two to three times the zero-day holes, and, worse,
b. iOS has ten times the _exploited_ zero-day holes.

That's bad.
Really bad.

The reason is patently obvious why iOS is so horribly insecure though.
But you have to understand how iOS is built, tested & released to know why.
--
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 by: candycanearter07 - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:33 UTC

On 10/4/23 22:20, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>> A Zero-day exploit is any exploit that gets exploited before the
>> developers know about it. It does "mean something".
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_(computing)
>
> Yes. You are correct. But let's be careful about defining
> the "exploit" versus the "vulnerability", where I've been saying,
> very clearly...
> a. iOS historically has two to three times the zero-day holes, and,
> b. iOS historically has something like ten times the exploits in the wild.
>
> Where the exploit means someone crafted a way to take advantage of
> the vulnerability (and that's never for a good purpose, mind you).

So all exploits use vulnerabilities but not all vulnerabilities are
exploited?
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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:43 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> a. iOS historically has two to three times the zero-day holes, and,
>> b. iOS historically has something like ten times the exploits in the wild.
>
> False, and you've never been able to provide a source for your made-up
> bullshit numbers.

I kind of feel sorry for you Jolly Roger.
Like I do a person who has a head injury who can no longer think straight.

It's no longer shocking how much you ignorant iKooks fear the truth.
Hence, you low-IQ uneducated iKooks _fear me_ (because I state the facts).

Your first response, always, is simply to deny all facts you're unaware of.

However... you actually just did me a favor... because... again today,
I was wrong (in a minor way) in that the number of _exploited_ zero-days
is 17 - which means the number of zero days is way (way!) times greater.

Thank you Jolly Roger for asking me to re-visit the facts of the matter.
*It's way worse than I had said it was*

The fact is that iOS is exploited over ten times more than is Android.
Where the number of Apple zero-day exploits this year alone, is 17.

"CVE-2023-42824 is the 17th zero-day vulnerability
*exploited in attacks* that Apple has fixed
since the start of the year."
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/apple/apple-emergency-update-fixes-new-zero-day-used-to-hack-iphones/>

By definition, zero-day holes are holes that Apple didn't know about
until Apple was told about them - and by definition - an exploit of
a zero-day hole can't be purposely fixed by Apple until Apple is made
aware of them. Apple didn't find them. Someone else did.

*That's _why_ Apple's operating systems are so often exploited!*

Note that the iKooks claim all facts that they are ignorant of, can't be
facts; but the facts are that the iKooks are simply ignorant of the facts.
--
The iKooks still, after decades on this newsgroup, are completely ignorant
of the fact that Apple only fully fixes a single release (and always did!).

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 by: Dorper - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:44 UTC

On Oct 4, 2023, Wally J wrote
(in article <uflakc$oslr$1@dont-email.me>):

> Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote
>
> > > (words words words)
> >
> > A list of vulns that had to be patched in JUST the last month in Android:
>
> Hi Dorper,
>
> (words words words)

Dude you repeating "iOS has 3x the zero days" does not make it true. Where
are you pulling this number from. Previously you linked the NVD, which is a
list of what you call "bugs" and tried to say that this means that Apple has
more "zero-days" (this word has issues as modern operating systems have
components made by many people, if the creator of cURL discovers a vuln in
cURL and fixes it, does that mean that Ubuntu, OS X, etc. have zero days
because the bug is present in the software and known about before the
distributions can release the patched version of cURL. There does not seem to
be much of a difference. Unless you only compiled cURL from source, like
Gentoo users do, then you would be effectively exposed to a zero day.
Therefore, I take issue with the term.)

I really want to know why you linked to the NVD and what you were trying to
show by doing so. Also, NVD, fyi, is a mirror of the MITRE corporation's CVE
system, it is not really run by the US government, like you claim. So you can
go add that to your "i was wrong" thread.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:46 UTC

On 2023-10-05, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> a. iOS historically has two to three times the zero-day holes, and,
>>> b. iOS historically has something like ten times the exploits in the
>>> wild.
>>
>> False, and you've never been able to provide a source for your
>> made-up bullshit numbers.
>
> Blah blah blah blah

As expected, you still can't provide a source confirming your claim.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: Alan - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:15 UTC

On 2023-10-04 20:10, Dorper wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2023, Wally J wrote
> (in article <ufl6l6$o5l3$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Doesn't matter to my point which is that iOS had the zero-day hole> which Apple didn't know about until someone else (Google it was!)
>> told Apple about it.
>
> Android had the same vulnerability.
>
>> The point is not any one hole but the fact Apple has two to three times the
>
> This is false
>
>> HINT: Think about the primitive release mechanism that only iOS uses.
>
> Rapid Security Response?
>
>> Keep in mind the difference between a bug and a zero-day bug.
>> They're not the same as what matters is who caught them first.
>> Insiders or outsiders.
>
> Whatever, my definition was slightly off.
>
> Now how about you give evidence of your 3x figure. Because you are making a
> fuss about update systems. You must include the entirety of Google Play
> Services, Android, Qualcomm Drivers, Chrome, Linux, Samsung Bloatware, etc.
> in your calculations.
>

Don't you know?

Arlen (aka Wally J, aka... ...far too many nyms to count) claims he only
posts FACTS!

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 by: Dorper - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:27 UTC

On Oct 4, 2023, Alan wrote
(in article <uflgps$pk7b$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 2023-10-04 20:10, Dorper wrote:
> > On Oct 4, 2023, Wally J wrote
> > (in article <ufl6l6$o5l3$1@dont-email.me>):
> >
> > > Doesn't matter to my point which is that iOS had the zero-day hole> which
> > > Apple didn't know about until someone else (Google it was!)
> > > told Apple about it.
> >
> > Android had the same vulnerability.
> >
> > > The point is not any one hole but the fact Apple has two to three times the
> >
> > This is false
> >
> > > HINT: Think about the primitive release mechanism that only iOS uses.
> >
> > Rapid Security Response?
> >
> > > Keep in mind the difference between a bug and a zero-day bug.
> > > They're not the same as what matters is who caught them first.
> > > Insiders or outsiders.
> >
> > Whatever, my definition was slightly off.
> >
> > Now how about you give evidence of your 3x figure. Because you are making a
> > fuss about update systems. You must include the entirety of Google Play
> > Services, Android, Qualcomm Drivers, Chrome, Linux, Samsung Bloatware, etc.
> > in your calculations.
>
> Don't you know?
>
> Arlen (aka Wally J, aka... ...far too many nyms to count) claims he only
> posts FACTS!

Only _TRUE_ and _HONEST_ facts.

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On 2023-10-04 22:27, Dorper wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2023, Alan wrote
> (in article <uflgps$pk7b$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 2023-10-04 20:10, Dorper wrote:
>>> On Oct 4, 2023, Wally J wrote
>>> (in article <ufl6l6$o5l3$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter to my point which is that iOS had the zero-day hole> which
>>>> Apple didn't know about until someone else (Google it was!)
>>>> told Apple about it.
>>>
>>> Android had the same vulnerability.
>>>
>>>> The point is not any one hole but the fact Apple has two to three times the
>>>
>>> This is false
>>>
>>>> HINT: Think about the primitive release mechanism that only iOS uses.
>>>
>>> Rapid Security Response?
>>>
>>>> Keep in mind the difference between a bug and a zero-day bug.
>>>> They're not the same as what matters is who caught them first.
>>>> Insiders or outsiders.
>>>
>>> Whatever, my definition was slightly off.
>>>
>>> Now how about you give evidence of your 3x figure. Because you are making a
>>> fuss about update systems. You must include the entirety of Google Play
>>> Services, Android, Qualcomm Drivers, Chrome, Linux, Samsung Bloatware, etc.
>>> in your calculations.
>>
>> Don't you know?
>>
>> Arlen (aka Wally J, aka... ...far too many nyms to count) claims he only
>> posts FACTS!
>
> Only _TRUE_ and _HONEST_ facts.
>

Sorry, yes... ...I'm so glad you made that "adult" amendment!

;-)

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 by: Jörg Lorenz - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 07:35 UTC

Am 04.10.23 um 22:22 schrieb Wally J:
> You hate me, Hemidactyulus... *because you fear me*. You fear all facts
> about Apple products, Hemidactylus. Don't you.

All in this group *fear that you never will disappear*, Arlen.

--
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 by: Alan - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 08:04 UTC

On 2023-10-05 00:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 04.10.23 um 22:22 schrieb Wally J:
>> You hate me, Hemidactyulus... *because you fear me*. You fear all
>> facts about Apple products, Hemidactylus. Don't you.
>
> All in this group *fear that you never will disappear*, Arlen.
>

Because all of us need a good laugh from time to time.

:-)

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:21 UTC

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

> Dude you repeating "iOS has 3x the zero days" does not make it true.

"Dude" (or, if you're female... "Bitch")... those were 17 _exploited_ zero
day holes, and yes, everyone but you knows this - as it's simply a fact.

The fact you're completely unaware of facts doesn't make them not facts.

I quoted exactly where that came from so many times that for you to
_remain_ completely ignorant of every fact about Apple, means you haven't
clicked on a single reference that has been provided to you on this topic.

If I provide a reference, please do not say that the reference doesn't
exist simply because you don't like what the reference is telling you.

That's probably 90% of all the iKooks' posts in this newsgroup, Dorper.
*They _hate_ facts - so they simply deny the existence of all facts.*

I was hoping you'd be more intelligent than the iKooks are, Dorper.

BTW, there's a reason Apple has so many zero-day exploits, Dorper.
<https://www.securityweek.com/apple-warns-of-newly-exploited-ios-17-kernel-zero-day/>
"This is the 16th documented in-the-wild zero-day against Apple's iOS,
iPadOS and macOS-powered devices, according to data tracked by
SecurityWeek."

Although the number is apparently 17 according to SecurityWeek themselves.
<https://cybersecurityworldconference.com/2023/10/04/apple-fixed-the-17th-zero-day-flaw-exploited-in-attacks/>

And others... so the 16 active exploits may just be date related.
<https://thehackernews.com/2023/10/apple-rolls-out-security-patches-for.html>
"With the new development, Apple has addressed a total of 17 actively
exploited zero-days in its software since the start of the year."

Dorper - if you're going to act like an adult, you have to comprehend facts
(e.g., you can't claim all bugs are zero-day bugs, for example).

That's the kind of idiocy that the iKooks do.
Let's hope you are not an iKook for God's sake.

Remember, all adults agree on the facts.
Only fools disagree on facts - that's why they're fools.

No intelligent discourse can occur until adults agree on facts.
Only _after_ we agree on facts, can an intelligent conversation ensue.

Do you yet agree that Apple has had 17 zero-day exploits this year, Dorper?
Yes? or No?

Note: Not all might be iOS though - but most seem to be (if not all).
--
HINT: You have to click on the link & read it (that's why I put it there);
then you have to understand what the article says about the exploits.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:24 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

> He won't because he *can't*.

And yet, I did.
Because I could.

...See below...

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

> Dude you repeating "iOS has 3x the zero days" does not make it true.

"Dude" (or, if you're female... "Bitch")... those were 17 _exploited_ zero
day holes, and yes, everyone but you knows this - as it's simply a fact.

The fact you're completely unaware of facts doesn't make them not facts.

I quoted exactly where that came from so many times that for you to
_remain_ completely ignorant of every fact about Apple, means you haven't
clicked on a single reference that has been provided to you on this topic.

If I provide a reference, please do not say that the reference doesn't
exist simply because you don't like what the reference is telling you.

That's probably 90% of all the iKooks' posts in this newsgroup, Dorper.
*They _hate_ facts - so they simply deny the existence of all facts.*

Jolly Roger, for example, claims every Apple statement about reducing
performance is a lie because he has never read any of Apple's statements.

Who is that stupid?
Only iKooks, right?

I was hoping you'd be more intelligent than the iKooks are, Dorper.

BTW, there's a reason Apple has so many zero-day exploits, Dorper.
<https://www.securityweek.com/apple-warns-of-newly-exploited-ios-17-kernel-zero-day/>
"This is the 16th documented in-the-wild zero-day against Apple's iOS,
iPadOS and macOS-powered devices, according to data tracked by
SecurityWeek."

Although the number is apparently 17 according to SecurityWeek themselves.
<https://cybersecurityworldconference.com/2023/10/04/apple-fixed-the-17th-zero-day-flaw-exploited-in-attacks/>

And others... so the 16 active exploits may just be date related.
<https://thehackernews.com/2023/10/apple-rolls-out-security-patches-for.html>
"With the new development, Apple has addressed a total of 17 actively
exploited zero-days in its software since the start of the year."

Dorper - if you're going to act like an adult, you have to comprehend facts
(e.g., you can't claim all bugs are zero-day bugs, for example).

That's the kind of idiocy that the iKooks do.
Let's hope you are not an iKook for God's sake.

Remember, all adults agree on the facts.
Only fools disagree on facts - that's why they're fools.

No intelligent discourse can occur until adults agree on facts.
Only _after_ we agree on facts, can an intelligent conversation ensue.

Do you yet agree that Apple has had 17 zero-day exploits this year, Dorper?
Yes? or No?

Note: Not all might be iOS though - but most seem to be (if not all).
--
HINT: You have to click on the link & read it (that's why I put it there);
then you have to understand what the article says about the exploits.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:25 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

> As expected, you still can't provide a source confirming your claim.

Ah, but I did.
Many times.

You _hate_ the fact that facts exist so you simply deny all facts
that you're completely ignorant of - which is most facts, Jolly Roger.

-< see below >-

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

> Dude you repeating "iOS has 3x the zero days" does not make it true.

"Dude" (or, if you're female... "Bitch")... those were 17 _exploited_ zero
day holes, and yes, everyone but you knows this - as it's simply a fact.

The fact you're completely unaware of facts doesn't make them not facts.

I quoted exactly where that came from so many times that for you to
_remain_ completely ignorant of every fact about Apple, means you haven't
clicked on a single reference that has been provided to you on this topic.

If I provide a reference, please do not say that the reference doesn't
exist simply because you don't like what the reference is telling you.

That's probably 90% of all the iKooks' posts in this newsgroup, Dorper.
*They _hate_ facts - so they simply deny the existence of all facts.*

Jolly Roger, for example, claims every Apple statement about reducing
performance is a lie because he has never read any of Apple's statements.

Who is that stupid?
Only iKooks, right?

I was hoping you'd be more intelligent than the iKooks are, Dorper.

BTW, there's a reason Apple has so many zero-day exploits, Dorper.
<https://www.securityweek.com/apple-warns-of-newly-exploited-ios-17-kernel-zero-day/>
"This is the 16th documented in-the-wild zero-day against Apple's iOS,
iPadOS and macOS-powered devices, according to data tracked by
SecurityWeek."

Although the number is apparently 17 according to SecurityWeek themselves.
<https://cybersecurityworldconference.com/2023/10/04/apple-fixed-the-17th-zero-day-flaw-exploited-in-attacks/>

And others... so the 16 active exploits may just be date related.
<https://thehackernews.com/2023/10/apple-rolls-out-security-patches-for.html>
"With the new development, Apple has addressed a total of 17 actively
exploited zero-days in its software since the start of the year."

Dorper - if you're going to act like an adult, you have to comprehend facts
(e.g., you can't claim all bugs are zero-day bugs, for example).

That's the kind of idiocy that the iKooks do.
Let's hope you are not an iKook for God's sake.

Remember, all adults agree on the facts.
Only fools disagree on facts - that's why they're fools.

No intelligent discourse can occur until adults agree on facts.
Only _after_ we agree on facts, can an intelligent conversation ensue.

Do you yet agree that Apple has had 17 zero-day exploits this year, Dorper?
Yes? or No?

Note: Not all might be iOS though - but most seem to be (if not all).
--
HINT: You have to click on the link & read it (that's why I put it there);
then you have to understand what the article says about the exploits.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:30 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> Blah blah blah blah
>
> "WAHHHHH!!!! He huwt my feewings!"

Such an adult these iKooks like Jolly Roger are...

What's no longer shocking is how deathly afraid iKooks are of facts.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:32 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>>> such a clown
>>
>> Blah blah blah blah
>
> Cry harder, Arlen.

It's no longer shocking that the iKooks revert to instant kindergarten when
they can't come up with any more excuses for facts about Apple's products.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 18:22 UTC

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

>> HINT: Think about the primitive release mechanism that only iOS uses.
>
> Rapid Security Response?

It's good you're aware of the RSR as the iKooks are _still_ unaware of it!

I'm extremely well aware of the RSR as I'm the one who first brought it up
on this newsgroup years ago when Apple was planning to implement it.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

It's only in iOS 16 that Apple began to break down the primitive monolith.
*Distinguishing software updates from upgrades* <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

Interestingly, the iKooks lied for years about Apple releases.
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>

>> Keep in mind the difference between a bug and a zero-day bug.
>> They're not the same as what matters is who caught them first.
>> Insiders or outsiders.
>
> Whatever, my definition was slightly off.

It's OK to make a mistake (so did I with the "local" exploits, remember?).

What matters is adults agree on facts.
A fool disputes facts (that's why they're fools).

Usenet is water under the bridge.
I take every post from you on its own merits.

Hell... if Jolly Roger said an intelligent sentence, I'd commend him.
I hold no grudges.

It's fine that you no longer dispute there is a difference between a bug
(of which there are many thousands per release) and a zero-day bug
(of which there are only dozens per release) and even an "exploit" of a
zero-day bug (of which Apple has had 17 this year alone - see below).

> Now how about you give evidence of your 3x figure. Because you are making a
> fuss about update systems. You must include the entirety of Google Play
> Services, Android, Qualcomm Drivers, Chrome, Linux, Samsung Bloatware, etc.
> in your calculations.

We can't have any semblance of a normal intelligent adult conversation if
you blindly dispute all facts without even being aware of any of those
facts (simply because you don't _like_ those facts).

Right?

I mean... 'cmon... that's exactly what the iKooks do all day on this ng.
You're not an iKook, I hope.

Please read below & answer "yes" or "no" to the question at the bottom.

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

> Dude you repeating "iOS has 3x the zero days" does not make it true.

"Dude" (or, if you're female... "Bitch")... those were 17 _exploited_ zero
day holes, and yes, everyone but you knows this - as it's simply a fact.

The fact you're completely unaware of facts doesn't make them not facts.

I quoted exactly where that came from so many times that for you to
_remain_ completely ignorant of every fact about Apple, means you haven't
clicked on a single reference that has been provided to you on this topic.

If I provide a reference, please do not say that the reference doesn't
exist simply because you don't like what the reference is telling you.

That's probably 90% of all the iKooks' posts in this newsgroup, Dorper.
*They _hate_ facts - so they simply deny the existence of all facts.*

I was hoping you'd be more intelligent than the iKooks are, Dorper.

BTW, there's a reason Apple has so many zero-day exploits, Dorper.

<https://www.securityweek.com/apple-warns-of-newly-exploited-ios-17-kernel-zero-day/>
"This is the 16th documented in-the-wild zero-day against Apple's iOS,
iPadOS and macOS-powered devices, according to data tracked by
SecurityWeek."

Although the number is apparently 17 according to SecurityWeek themselves.

<https://cybersecurityworldconference.com/2023/10/04/apple-fixed-the-17th-zero-day-flaw-exploited-in-attacks/>

And others... so the 16 active exploits may just be date related.

<https://thehackernews.com/2023/10/apple-rolls-out-security-patches-for.html>
"With the new development, Apple has addressed a total of 17 actively
exploited zero-days in its software since the start of the year."

Dorper - if you're going to act like an adult, you have to comprehend facts
(e.g., you can't claim all bugs are zero-day bugs, for example).

That's the kind of idiocy that the iKooks do.
Let's hope you are not an iKook for God's sake.

Remember, all adults agree on the facts.
Only fools disagree on facts - that's why they're fools.

No intelligent discourse can occur until adults agree on facts.
Only _after_ we agree on facts, can an intelligent conversation ensue.

Do you yet agree that Apple has had 17 zero-day exploits this year, Dorper?
Yes? or No?

Note: Not all might be iOS though - but most seem to be (if not all).
--
HINT: You have to click on the link & read it (that's why I put it there);
then you have to understand what the article says about the exploits.

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On 2023-10-05, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
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>> He won't because he *can't*.
>
> And yet, I did.

Nope. You didn't.

And you can't. That's why you *still* haven't, even in this reply -
instead you tried to change the subject (as usual). You're weak, Arlen.
Weak and pitiful.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 23:37 UTC

On 2023-10-05, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> As expected, you still can't provide a source confirming your claim.
>
> Ah, but I did.

Nope. And you *still* can't. 🤣

Arlen the failure, everyone!

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