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* Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complexsms
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Subject: re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex to add Covid-19 Vaccination Cards to the Apple Wallet?!)
From: sms
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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 18:34 UTC
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Subject: re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex
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 > I'm a guy, so my wallet is in a pants pocket instead of buried inside a
 > purse. It's easier and more reliable to carry the vaccination card in
 > my wallet than to have it accessed from a phone which is likely locked,
 > could be powered off, especially when near the end of battery life
 > waiting until I can get a charge, or its battery is dead. I still read
 > paper books, too.

Well I still read paper books too, but having the digital vaccination card is actually a big plus around here. In the places that actually check, they can scan the QR code and match the results to your ID.

The number of times I've been asked for proof of vaccination is very low but we weren't going to restaurants in San Francisco where they were requiring it.

I actually had the digital proof on my iPhone before Apple officially supported it (beginning with iOS 15.1). I used a third-party app, "Pass2U" https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pass2u-wallet-cards-coupons/id1142473931 and it was a bit of a hassle to get the digital card loaded but it did work. That app isn't as good as the Android equivalent "Pass2Pay" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=color.dev.com.tangerine

I'm trying to not have a super-thick wallet by removing cards that are not necessary to be carrying.


Subject: Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex to add Covid-19 Vaccination Cards to the Apple Wallet?!)
From: VanguardLH
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Subject: Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex to add Covid-19 Vaccination Cards to the Apple Wallet?!)
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sms wrote:

I'm trying to not have a super-thick wallet by removing cards that are
not necessary to be carrying.

"Sienfield" - George and his obese wallet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPf98i8A0g

I'm the type that relies first on physical over electronic.  That's why
I have probably a couple hundred pounds of tools and emergency gear in
my car rather than relying on calling AAA whose services can get swamped
during extreme bad weather, require my phone to be working, and within
usable distance of a cell tower that contracts to my carrier.  But I
know lots, if not the vast majority, don't carry all that mostly because
they wouldn't know how to repair anything or can't/won't do anything
physical.  I have AAA, but realize from experience that it isn't always
usable, so I have physical self-reliance.

As for my wallet, I'd still be carrying the coated card in my wallet
even if it were available on my phone.  There are credit cards that
remain in my home desk drawer, because they never get used when mobile,
just for online purchases.  I don't like sitting at a slant, and don't
have a fat butt as a cushion.  Easier to keep down on the paper cash.


Subject: Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex to add Covid-19 Vaccination Cards to the Apple Wallet?!)
From: Andy Burnelli
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Subject: Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex to add Covid-19 Vaccination Cards to the Apple Wallet?!)
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sms wrote:

Well I still read paper books too, but having the digital vaccination card is actually a big plus around here. In the places that actually check, they can scan the QR code and match the results to your ID.

As for cards in a wallet, you kind of want a "thin" wallet for some reasons
which VG aptly described, one of which as "sitting at a slant" otherwise. If I could find a software wallet that didn't require the Internet, that
would be of use as I can't imagine _why_ they require a login account.

*Do you know _why_ the software wallets _require_ a login to their server?*
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Subject: Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex to add Covid-19 Vaccination Cards to the Apple Wallet?!)
From: Andy Burnelli
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Subject: Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex to add Covid-19 Vaccination Cards to the Apple Wallet?!)
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VanguardLH wrote:

I'm the type that relies first on physical over electronic.  That's why
I have probably a couple hundred pounds of tools and emergency gear in
my car rather than relying on calling AAA

I'm similar to Vanguard in that I rely on the confidence of self reliance;
however, we have wives and kids and grandkids, etc., who need that AAA card.

Personally, I've found that you can "share" the AAA card, as the only entity
that seems to care if it's "you" calling is AAA but not the truck driver who
arrives (he just wants to get paid by AAA in the end so he'll take anyone).
(at least in my experience anyway)

When a kid gets their first car, I generally gift them a "safety kit", which
contains, oh, offhand, from memory, the following dozen or so safety items:
1. HF magnetic light (AA only - I never buy AAA items - ever!)
2. tire patch kit (external patch) & tire air + sealant canister
3. safety vest (I used to add flares & triangles but they suck)
3. HF analog VOM (you don't need a battery to check DC voltage)
5. 3x5 flash cards, duct tape & pencil in a ziplock bag (to leave a note)
6. vise grip & philips/flathead & compact wrench kit (bicycle kits work)
7. HD Husky 4-gauge 20-foot jumper cables (but they're a PITA to re-pack)
8. Costco landscape black plastic bags (to put on the wet ground if needed)
9. Portable cigarette lighter air pump (they actually do work surprisingly)
10. aforementioned spare (usually expired) AAA card (for sharing purposes)
11. sometimes an ice scraper & sometimes a quart of motor oil (for old cars)
12. Some kind of zippered strong cloth bag (I get them at the Goodwill)

Did I miss anything that you would highly recommend that's in your kit?
(It's always a balance of size versus likelihood of dire need of course.)

I used to add a halon fire extinguisher, paper maps, two flares with nails,
two foldable triangle reflectors, a spare phone & a spare camera, but each
of those turns out to be more trouble than it's worth, particularly the
flares (which crumble over time) and the reflectors (which blow away in the
wind if they're small enough to be convenient).

The _best_ thing to have in your kit, is the knowledge that you likely have,
and that I certainly have, of how each of the systems work in a vehicle
(drive train, starting & charging, cooling, steering, braking, etc.) in that
my cars, by design, are older than my children (who are married with kids),
since that's the last time I bought a new car and none of my vehicles have
_ever_ been to a mechanic (I even do alignment and tire mounting & balancing
at home) - but I would assume most people don't know what we know.

As an OT aside, I _love_ the inherent confidence that my deep knowledge of
"working on a car" gives us in terms of the ability to fix almost anything
at the point of failure (or, if it's unfixable, such as a broken axle, then,
in California, a 511 call will get you off the highway for free, and that
shared AAA card can get you five further miles for free, and then you pay
for whatever is left but at least you'll be safely off the highway).

The good news is cars are simpler to maintain now than ever before, just as
phones are better, faster, and far cheaper now than they've ever been.
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Subject: Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex to add Covid-19 Vaccination Cards to the Apple Wallet?!)
From: Michael Trew
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android, rec.autos.tech
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
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Subject: Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex
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Personally, I've found that you can "share" the AAA card, as the only
entity
that seems to care if it's "you" calling is AAA but not the truck driver
who
arrives (he just wants to get paid by AAA in the end so he'll take anyone).
(at least in my experience anyway)

Some drivers are more persnickety.  I drive old beaters, and I usually use a few of my AAA tows per year.  It's well worth it to pay for the middle tier of AAA with up to four 100 mile tows.

When a kid gets their first car, I generally gift them a "safety kit",
which
contains, oh, offhand, from memory, the following dozen or so safety items:
1. HF magnetic light (AA only - I never buy AAA items - ever!)

Why no AAA batteries?

Did I miss anything that you would highly recommend that's in your kit?
(It's always a balance of size versus likelihood of dire need of course.)

I usually keep multiple car fluids on hand.  Premixed gallon of coolant, at least a quart of oil, and P/S fluid (maybe ATF).  Of course, again, I drive old cars, that tend to spring leaks.

The _best_ thing to have in your kit, is the knowledge that you likely
have,
and that I certainly have, of how each of the systems work in a vehicle
(drive train, starting & charging, cooling, steering, braking, etc.) in
that
my cars, by design, are older than my children (who are married with kids),
since that's the last time I bought a new car and none of my vehicles have
_ever_ been to a mechanic (I even do alignment and tire mounting &
balancing
at home)

I'd love to have a machine to mount and balance my own tires.  I fix most things on cars myself, and there is a satisfaction to that (although it's also relevant to cheap/necessity for me).


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I'd love to have a machine to mount and balance my own tires.  I fix most things on cars myself, and there is a satisfaction to that (although it's also relevant to cheap/necessity for me).

A static wheel balancer is pretty inexpensive but it's not really a good idea to use one on tires that will be operated at high speed. A manual tire changer is also pretty cheap, under $100. But by the time you pay retail prices for the weights, and pay for the equipment cost, you'd be able to pay for a lot of wheel balancing before you achieved a positive ROI, and you would not have tires that are properly balanced after all that. A dynamic wheel balancer is over $1000 for a very basic model from China.


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On 4/25/2022 12:10, sms wrote:
On 4/25/2022 8:18 AM, Michael Trew wrote:

<snip>

I'd love to have a machine to mount and balance my own tires.  I fix
most things on cars myself, and there is a satisfaction to that
(although it's also relevant to cheap/necessity for me).

A static wheel balancer is pretty inexpensive but it's not really a good
idea to use one on tires that will be operated at high speed. A manual
tire changer is also pretty cheap, under $100. But by the time you pay
retail prices for the weights, and pay for the equipment cost, you'd be
able to pay for a lot of wheel balancing before you achieved a positive
ROI, and you would not have tires that are properly balanced after all
that. A dynamic wheel balancer is over $1000 for a very basic model from
China.

I rarely drive over 60 MPH.  I've mounted little 12/13 inch Geo Metro wheels and just sent them without balancing at all before; so a cheap one would be good enough for most of my purposes.  I drive old beater cars, and I currently own 10 (or 11?) of them.

When you say a "static" balancer, do you mean a bubble balancer?  I've seen some used shop equipment come up for sale on FB Marketplace and Craigslist before, still usually out of my preferred price range (cheap).


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Michael Trew wrote:

I'd love to have a machine to mount and balance my own tires.  I fix
most things on cars myself, and there is a satisfaction to that
(although it's also relevant to cheap/necessity for me).

A static wheel balancer is pretty inexpensive but it's not really a good
idea to use one on tires that will be operated at high speed. A manual
tire changer is also pretty cheap, under $100. But by the time you pay
retail prices for the weights, and pay for the equipment cost, you'd be
able to pay for a lot of wheel balancing before you achieved a positive
ROI, and you would not have tires that are properly balanced after all
that. A dynamic wheel balancer is over $1000 for a very basic model from
China.

I rarely drive over 60 MPH.  I've mounted little 12/13 inch Geo Metro wheels and just sent them without balancing at all before; so a cheap one would be good enough for most of my purposes.  I drive old beater cars, and I currently own 10 (or 11?) of them.

When you say a "static" balancer, do you mean a bubble balancer?  I've seen some used shop equipment come up for sale on FB Marketplace and Craigslist before, still usually out of my preferred price range (cheap).

The problem that anyone who has never worked on cars has with the term
"dynamic balancing" is they fall prey to the fear-based marketing.

Just as with Apple marketing always aiming that people quaking in their
boots, so does tire & brake repair, replace, mount & repair marketing.

Dynamic balance is almost always not needed _if_... and the _if_ is what
matters, but luckily, the _if_ is (in my experience) almost all the time.

Needless to day, the _test_ for lack of dynamic balance is always free!

Just as I've (almost) never failed to solve computer issues, I've (almost)
never failed to solve car-repair issues (and my cars are _decades_ old!).

I've written tutorials for how to mount and balance your tires at home.

Out here, Harbor Freight sells a crappy tire dismount/mount tool which you
_must_ bolt to the ground, and then you remove the even crappier bead
breaker, and then it's an OK tool for tires up to around 18 inches.

Harbor Freight also sells a crappy bead breaker tool, which isn't designed
for larger tires, but which works for those bigger SUV tires if you put a
wooden board on it to "extend" its base as you step on the board to keep
the bead breaker from tipping backward on those larger diameter tires.

The Harbor Freight static balancer, which is also crappy, is just a bubble
balander so it doesn't matter as long as the wheel is placed centrally.

The only other tools needed to mount and balance your tires at home are
extra HF tire irons (for the larger SUV tires), vise grips (because the HF
3-foot-long round-bar tire iron twists in your hands on those larger
tires), a pair of dikes (to cut the old valve stem) and a valve core
removal twist driver (for removal & replacement of the valve cores).

It's helpful (but not required) to have a bead blaster, aka a bazooka. --
Yes, you heard that right. Dynamic balance testing is _always_ free!


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Michael Trew wrote:

1. HF magnetic light (AA only - I never buy AAA items - ever!)

Why no AAA batteries?

Logic. Sense. Practicality.
1. Most things that require AAA don't actually _need_ AAA (this is key!)
   (The assumption that they're "smaller" very often is just not true.)
2. AAA cost about the same as AA which means they cost twice as much.
   (another way to look at it is they last half as long)
3. Eliminating one battery size reduces the amount of storage in my
   battery drawer of Costco sizes of D, C, AA, and 9V batteries.

Fun fact: Did you ever take apart a 9V battery cube?           (Guess what's inside.)

Did I miss anything that you would highly recommend that's in your kit?
(It's always a balance of size versus likelihood of dire need of course.)

I usually keep multiple car fluids on hand.  Premixed gallon of coolant, at least a quart of oil, and P/S fluid (maybe ATF).  Of course, again, I drive old cars, that tend to spring leaks.

Understood. I have a shelf of all that (and more) where I'm a practical
guy, which means if brake fluid works as well or better than liquid wrench,
I store the brake fluid and not the liquid wrench on my garage shelves.

BTW, a _fantastic_ resource for an intelligent practical sensible guy who
tests all the automotive fluids against each other, is "Project Farm"
https://www.youtube.com/c/ProjectFarm/

Bear in mind, when it comes to falling prey to marketing, most people are
incredibly stupid. Automotive liquids are even worse than Apple on that.

I'd love to have a machine to mount and balance my own tires. 

I saw Steve's response, but just like you can't logically ask a thin person
how to lose a hundred pounds (because they really do not know how - they
simply "think" they do becasue they never had to actually do it), Steve is
dead wrong in _every_ sentence he said about it (and trust me, if Steve
said it correctly, I'd say he was right - but he's never done it himself).

For _years_ I've been documenting my, oh, it's well over sixty tires by
now, where I wrote a tutorial at the 40-tire mark long ago (I don't have
kids at home anymore that have cars to be fixed with them learning how).

The tools pay for themselves after only a couple of years of changing tires
on a multi-car family set of tires, where, luckily for us in the USA,
Harbor Freight sells a crappy tire tool for everything you need.

Notice what I said. Nobody loves HF tools - but - they work - and that's
what matters. Just as a home owner doesn't need a $100K Hunter alignment
rack, to properly balance your wheels/tires at home is trivial to do.

The "speed" thing Steve mentioned is bullshit since they're not properly
balanced if they cause vibration at any speed - where again - Steve falls
prey to the marketing of fear more than he falls prey to actual logic.

Dynamic balancing tests are _always_ free, and, after that, if you need
dynamic balancing, last I checked it costs $5/tire for that - but - I've
_never_ yet needed dynamic balancing (notice the word "need" there).

BTW, I'm logical and sensible, so if there is _anything_ I've suggested
above that you would like to understand the logic of, then just ask.

I fix most things on cars myself, and there is a satisfaction to that (although it's also relevant to cheap/necessity for me).

I have never been to a mechanic in my life and I own cars for decades.

Just as with computers I fix everything myself using the tool that evolved
from being monkeys swinging from trees and having to gauge the distance to
the next branch and having to calculate how it will hold up, I've been able
to fix cars simply by making sensible sane choices (and, oh, by the way, I
have _two_ BMWs, one a K1200 and the other a 525, so you can't say that
they don't break a lot).

On the BMW forums, I'm a legend, but of course I go by a different nym.
--
Usenet is where friendly people daily gather to discuss topics of interest.


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On 4/28/2022 7:34 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

<snip>

When you say a "static" balancer, do you mean a bubble balancer?

Yes, something like https://www.harborfreight.com/portable-wheel-balancer-39741.html

Even at 60 MPH you really should be properly balancing your tires. At Costco, mounting, lifetime-balancing, rotation, road hazard warranty, and nitro-fill, is about $19.


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On 2022-04-29 7:11 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
Michael Trew wrote:

1. HF magnetic light (AA only - I never buy AAA items - ever!)

Why no AAA batteries?

Logic. Sense. Practicality.
1. Most things that require AAA don't actually _need_ AAA (this is key!)
   (The assumption that they're "smaller" very often is just not true.)

How is it you're so consistently an idiot about everything?

AAA batteries are 44.5mm tall by 10.5mm in diameter

AA batteries are 50.5mm tall by 14.mm in diameter.

AAA batteries are always physically smaller than AA batteries and devices that are designed to take AAA batteries will pretty much NEVER accept an AA battery.


2. AAA cost about the same as AA which means they cost twice as much.
   (another way to look at it is they last half as long)

Wow. Wrong again!

3. Eliminating one battery size reduces the amount of storage in my
   battery drawer of Costco sizes of D, C, AA, and 9V batteries.

And if you have devices that need AAA batteries?


Fun fact: Did you ever take apart a 9V battery cube?          (Guess what's inside.)


Not AAA batteries.

Some do use cylindrical cells that are close in size to an AAAA battery, but some 9-volt batteries don't have cylindrical cells in them at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-volt_battery#/media/File:9V_innards_3_different_cells.jpg

You really are on a roll of ignorance today.


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On 2022-04-29 6:48 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
Michael Trew wrote:

I'd love to have a machine to mount and balance my own tires.  I fix
most things on cars myself, and there is a satisfaction to that
(although it's also relevant to cheap/necessity for me).

A static wheel balancer is pretty inexpensive but it's not really a good
idea to use one on tires that will be operated at high speed. A manual
tire changer is also pretty cheap, under $100. But by the time you pay
retail prices for the weights, and pay for the equipment cost, you'd be
able to pay for a lot of wheel balancing before you achieved a positive
ROI, and you would not have tires that are properly balanced after all
that. A dynamic wheel balancer is over $1000 for a very basic model from
China.

I rarely drive over 60 MPH.  I've mounted little 12/13 inch Geo Metro wheels and just sent them without balancing at all before; so a cheap one would be good enough for most of my purposes.  I drive old beater cars, and I currently own 10 (or 11?) of them.

When you say a "static" balancer, do you mean a bubble balancer?  I've seen some used shop equipment come up for sale on FB Marketplace and Craigslist before, still usually out of my preferred price range (cheap).

The problem that anyone who has never worked on cars has with the term
"dynamic balancing" is they fall prey to the fear-based marketing.

No, actually.

Static balancing is acceptable in some situations, but far from all.


Just as with Apple marketing always aiming that people quaking in their
boots, so does tire & brake repair, replace, mount & repair marketing.

Dynamic balance is almost always not needed _if_... and the _if_ is what
matters, but luckily, the _if_ is (in my experience) almost all the time.

And you don't describe the "_if_"


Needless to day, the _test_ for lack of dynamic balance is always free!

Just as I've (almost) never failed to solve computer issues, I've (almost)
never failed to solve car-repair issues (and my cars are _decades_ old!).

I've written tutorials for how to mount and balance your tires at home.

Of course you have!


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sms wrote:

When you say a "static" balancer, do you mean a bubble balancer?

Yes, something like https://www.harborfreight.com/portable-wheel-balancer-39741.html

As Steve noted, Harbor Freight sells crappy tools that get the job done.

Just as you can buy an expensive smartphone or a cheap one, and for the
most part, they both do exactly the same things (mostly) in the end... For example, just as Google & Apple sell expensive tools, so does Lowes:
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Tuxedo-Truck-Wheel-Balancer/1003140482
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Tuxedo-TC-950-with-Left-Side-Press-Arm/1003142130

But it would take a typical homeowner a few lifetimes of changing tires at
home to offset the cost (& storage requirements) of such an expensive set.

Yet for the price of about three or four years of typical tire changing
(at least in twisty steep mountain roads which eat up tires due to downhill
inside-tire camber scrub as a rusult of the typical slight positive caster)
you can buy the cheap (but effective) Harbor Freight tire-changing tools.
https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/auto-maintenance-repair/tire-wheel.html

Ask me how I know this (and yes, I _did_ write the tutorial for that too!).

It's (clever) Marketing's job to make most people pay to _feel_ safer. Remember always that MARKETING scares the shit out of stupid people who
actually _believe_ that you can't "properly" mount & balance tires at home.

The only people who say that crap are those (a) selling you a service, or,
on Usenet, those (b) who have _never_ (ever!) done what they talk about.

Rest assured I _have_ mounted and balanced over sixty tires for a variety
of vehicles, up to and including 17 inch SUV tires (which are a bitch).

It's easy. More importantly, it's easy to do properly.
Ask me how I know this.

HINT: If you've never done it, what you think you know... is wrong.
WHY? (easy) Because what you know is only what you're _told_ by marketing.
[Notice the parallels with the iKooks yet?]

As with Apple marketing, scaring the shit out of morons is how they make
all their money, where you don't need dynamic balancing if you don't need
it (and where the test for proper dynamic balance is _always_ free!).

Even at 60 MPH you really should be properly balancing your tires.

As I said, the speed doesn't matter. There is only one "properly mounted
and balanced" tire result, just as there's only properly repaired tire
puncture... where the definition of "properly" includes _all_ valid speeds.

I doubt Steve has ever properly mounted & balanced car/SUV tires; I have.

Costco, mounting, lifetime-balancing, rotation, road hazard warranty, and nitro-fill, is about $19.

Unfortunately for you, Steve doesn't know what he's talking about here.
(Remember, he's never done it. He's just going on the marketing claims.)

Nitro-fill is a gimmick, much like Apple's face-id is a marketing gimmick.

And the Costco "lifetime" deal is actually a farce, it turns out, where the
Lord knows I love Costco, but... they lied about that lifetime balancing,
at least in terms of our "extreme" use high up in the Santa Cruz mountains.

Xeno can explain in gory detail, but the simplest way to explain it is that
they don't count "extreme use" which, fun fact... it turns out that steep
mountain roads are (see aforementioned scrub radius tire wear issues). While I love Costco for some things (I purposefully filled a hundred
gallons of their top-tier fuel for example just prior to the invasion),
they only sell certain brands (Goodyear, Bridgestone, etc.) where I get my
tires from SimpleTire (free shipping - which - for tires - is a lot!) so
that I can choose _any_ brand & model I want (TireRack is OK too).

The road hazard stuff is fine, but see the "extreme" use clause, and,
besides, once you can mount & balance tires at home, patch plugs are easy.

Did I mention yet that dynamic balance tests are _always_ free?

If, perchance, you fail the dynamic balance test, last I checked, Costco
will do a dynamic balance for $5 even on tires you didn't buy from them.

In summary, I love a good deal as much as anyone, but Costco isn't as good
as the marketing would have you believe they are - but I still love Costo.
--
Fun fact: Most people speak about things they've never done where _all_
their information is coming from what (clever) MARKETING has fed them.


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On 2022-04-29 7:11 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
1. HF magnetic light (AA only - I never buy AAA items - ever!)

Why no AAA batteries?

Logic. Sense. Practicality.
1. Most things that require AAA don't actually _need_ AAA (this is key!)
   (The assumption that they're "smaller" very often is just not true.)

How is it you're so consistently an idiot about everything?

it is rather impressive, isn't it?

AAA batteries are 44.5mm tall by 10.5mm in diameter

AA batteries are 50.5mm tall by 14.mm in diameter.

AAA batteries are always physically smaller than AA batteries and
devices that are designed to take AAA batteries will pretty much NEVER
accept an AA battery.

don't confuse the poor child.

he might think 'n' batteries are bigger yet.

2. AAA cost about the same as AA which means they cost twice as much.
   (another way to look at it is they last half as long)

Wow. Wrong again!

indeed.

3. Eliminating one battery size reduces the amount of storage in my
   battery drawer of Costco sizes of D, C, AA, and 9V batteries.

And if you have devices that need AAA batteries?

nothing a good lathe can't fix.


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On 4/29/2022 7:52 AM, sms wrote:
On 4/28/2022 7:34 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

<snip>

When you say a "static" balancer, do you mean a bubble balancer?

Yes, something like https://www.harborfreight.com/portable-wheel-balancer-39741.html

Even at 60 MPH you really should be properly balancing your tires. At Costco, mounting, lifetime-balancing, rotation, road hazard warranty, and nitro-fill, is about $19.

One negative about Costco's tire center. lately, is that they are understaffed. A couple of months ago, one tire on my wife's car blew out and I took the wheel and tire there for replacement since it wasn't repairable. It took about six hours to get the tire replaced. There was no hassle about the road hazard coverage, though it's pro-rated based on tread life. Another issue with Costco is that they only carry tires from two manufacturers: Michelin/BF Goodrich and Bridgestone, but for most people that's sufficient.

If you mount and balance tires yourself there's no warranty at all. If you buy tires online from a place like Tire Rack there is no treadlife warranty or road hazard coverage, only a warranty against manufacturer's defects.

BTW, Costco has free nitrogen fill available outside their tire centers. Most tire places charge extra for nitrogen fill. Nitrogen fill has a couple of advantages, the main one being that since the nitrogen molecules are larger the gas leaks out more slowly than tires filled with plain air. Since many drivers never check their tire pressure, this is a big plus!


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nospam wrote:

How is it you're so consistently an idiot about everything?

it is rather impressive, isn't it?

The iKooks can't ever formulate a sensible argument on ANY topic.

Why do you respond to Alan Baker? His IQ (at about 4) is half of yours, where even that is not saying much.

Every time you respond to him (or to "Hank" or "Rod", et. al), then I have
to see their crap which is always them trying to prove they're smarter than
a brick.

AAA batteries are always physically smaller than AA batteries and devices that are designed to take AAA batteries will pretty much NEVER accept an AA battery.

don't confuse the poor child.

The iKooks can't ever formulate a sensible argument on ANY topic.

It's not me who is confused.
You iKooks always fail in the basic "adult logic" compartment.
The AAA batteries are about half the size and about the same price as AA.

he might think 'n' batteries are bigger yet.

The iKooks can't ever formulate a sensible argument on ANY topic.
For me, it's a better deal to buy devices that take AA instead of AAA.

2. AAA cost about the same as AA which means they cost twice as much.


Wow. Wrong again!

indeed.

The iKooks can't ever formulate a sensible argument on ANY topic.

It's unusual to find small consumer devices which can't be designed for AA.
If you've never looked, you won't realize how accurate that statement is.

I'm not saying they can't make a smaller AAA device than an AA device.

I'm saying almost everything AAA you'd want to buy exists at about the same
size in AA - where then it's a better deal overall to use the AA batteries.


3. Eliminating one battery size reduces the amount of storage in my


And if you have devices that need AAA batteries?

nothing a good lathe can't fix.

The iKooks can't ever formulate a sensible argument on ANY topic.

My point is that I strategically purchase parts that have the best bang for
the buck in terms of batteries, where I shun AAA in favor of AA, just as I
shun non-rechargeables in favor of rechargeables, and just like I shun C
cells in favor of D cells.

BTW, I used to work on defibrillators, where you'd be shocked at how
fantastically HEAVY a GE NiCad C cell truly was in those days.

The difference in weight, in those days, between a GE NiCad C cell and a
RadioShack NiCad D cell (which was just a C-cell inside a D-casing) was
like the difference in weight between a bowling ball and a feather.

The point being that the capacity is what matters most; not the size.

In summary, when I buy small'ish devices, such as headlamps or small
flashlights, I ignore the AAA offerings and only buy the AA offerings.

That has advantages and almost no disadvantages in my practical experience.
That you disagree is fine - but you need a sensible argument and yet, you
have none to supply.

Why?
I don't know why.

I suspect you don't own an adult brain, nospam.
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Andy Burnelli wrote:

Why do you respond to Alan Baker? His IQ (at about 4) is half of yours, where even that is not saying much.

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sms wrote:

One negative about Costco's tire center. lately, is that they are understaffed.

I agree with Steve in that I used to have Costco, Midas, Goodyear, etc., mount and balance my tires, even in the days I bought them from Tire Rack, and they all take more time than you might think they should, from the time you leave the house until the time you get back (which is what matters).

The Costco tire dept historically has had a long line, even at its opening time, which was, as I recall, earlier than the store (back in the day).

A couple of months ago, one tire on my wife's car blew out and I took the wheel and tire there for replacement since it wasn't repairable.

While this next statement delves into the concept of "proper", there are common industry rules for what tires are repairable & what tires are not.
https://www.tireindustry.org/tire-maintenance/tire-repair

However... If you repair your own tires, you can choose _how_ and _what_ to use, where a professional will _not_ repair a tire "some" of those ways that you can.

An example is if there is any black dust inside the casing, even if there is no other indicator, they won't repair the tire (for good reasons). But you can.

There are _many_ other example, such as the number of existing patches, the location of the puncture, the size and shape of the wound, the type of existing patches, the tread depth, etc. As a VERY COMMON EXAMPLE, a _lot_ of people use an _external_ repair for punctures, especially when on the road - where the rules are that tire cannot ever be repaird by a professional following the standard rules.

Yet you can repair it yourself (note that under the old rules it was perfectly acceptable I'm told, but under the new industry rules it is not).

It took about six hours to get the tire replaced.

While that's unusual, it couldn't take less than a "couple" of hours to get your tires replaced anywhere, if you count the time from when you leave the house to the time you return - which is the time that matters when you are comparing it to doing it yourself - which would be from the time you start to get dressed to the time you step out of the shower in terms of mounting and balancing your own tires (there's also that free dynamic balance test).

There was no hassle about the road hazard coverage, though it's pro-rated based on tread life.

The tread, actually the evenness of the wear, is the problem in mountains.
https://i.postimg.cc/wTf1xnzJ/mount36.jpg Cause for uneven tread wear

As I mentioned, Costco is a fine outfit. Reputable. Honest. Reliable. But Steve doesn't live in the mountains. Essentially that guarrantee is worthless if you live in the mountains. We've covered this many times on the auto newsgroup (with scores of photos) so just trust me on this fact.
 Santa Cruz Mts BMW https://i.postimg.cc/g004XCLW/mount37.jpg
 Santa Cruz Mts LEXUS https://i.postimg.cc/G3HWPtQg/mount39.jpg
 Santa Cruz Mts TOYOTA https://i.postimg.cc/pT71cQZG/mount41.jpg

Another issue with Costco is that they only carry tires from two manufacturers: Michelin/BF Goodrich and Bridgestone, but for most people that's sufficient.

Ah. I mispoke. I'm surprised Steve didn't call me out on that misrepresentation of fact. I knew Costco only carried two brands, but offhand, I had one of them wrong. Steve is correct on the brands (AFAIR).

Bear in mind every year, at least once a year (ofen in August?) Costco has a $100 off sale - which isn't any big deal as you can get better tires for less - but if you're gonna go to Costco - then the sale could be good news.

If you mount and balance tires yourself there's no warranty at all.

Actually that's wrong. The original tire warranty still remains in force.
The onus of documentation is up to you - that's all.

Bear in mind even Costco technically requires alignment documentation.

If you buy tires online from a place like Tire Rack there is no treadlife warranty or road hazard coverage, only a warranty against manufacturer's defects.

Bullshit. Remember my analogy that a thin person doesn't know how to lose 100 pounds even as they _think_ they do... simply because they've never done it?

Well, Steve has never done what I've done which is buy tires from reliable folks like Simple Tire, and wear them out "prematurely" (see the mountain road argument as to why).

The reputable tire supply houses tires are covered by the original manufacturer's warranty. It's no different than Costco's tire warranty I would think (although we could compare the details at a later date).

BTW, Costco has free nitrogen fill available outside their tire centers.

I wonder if Steve knows the answer to this question which I know the answer to.

How do you _think_ Costco "gets" that nitrogen?
    ... Think about that...         ... Think again...
            ... And again...

Where does Steve _think_ that "nigrogen" comes from that Costco uses?
HINT: It's not what you'd think.

Most tire places charge extra for nitrogen fill.

Costco is great, but Nitrogen fill is a marketing gimmick much like Face ID is a marketing gimmick. It serves one main purpose which is to _differentiate_ their "air" from someone elses' air. Nothing more than that. Green caps are brilliant marketing ploys... but any _adult_ would realize that the nitrogen in tires is a gimmick if they simply knew what it is.

Those green caps are no different than similar Apple marketing gimmicks.

Nitrogen fill has a couple of advantages, the main one being that since the nitrogen molecules are larger the gas leaks out more slowly than tires filled with plain air. Since many drivers never check their tire pressure, this is a big plus!

It's a gimmick. It's not pure nitrogen in the first place, but even that doesn't matter because the difference is essentially meaningless.

The whole point of the gimmick is to be able to differentiate just like Apple's whole "environmental" stance is simply to "sound" different.

Hey... guess what... I'm more environmentally sound than almost all of you most likely because I can eke out tires longer than you can under the same conditions since I can repair more tires than you can for longer than you can (given your shops won't repair what I can and do repair all the time).

One more thing that you GAIN by DIY maintenance & repair is that you can do
MORE of it ...again, that means that _uneven_ wear can be overcome simply by _flipping_ the tires on the wheels (not all tires have non-directional treads - but most do).

Here's a direct cut and paste from a previous post from years ago on that.

For example, in these steep curvy Santa Cruz Mountains roadways, we all burn though front tires on their _outside_ edges
https://i.postimg.cc/g004XCLW/mount37.jpg
due to what Xeno & Clare have explained is likely camber scrub:
https://i.postimg.cc/G3HWPtQg/mount39.jpg
where the effect is noticeable on front tires in a few thousand miles
https://i.postimg.cc/8zVxVHVx/mount40.jpg
and, where close observation shows the effect in only hundreds of miles
https://i.postimg.cc/pT71cQZG/mount41.jpg
such that one side of the tire is worn while the other half is fine
https://i.postimg.cc/G2rYpQnp/mount23.jpg
and where frequent tire rotation only resolves half the problem
https://i.postimg.cc/63Kc80x9/mount29.jpg
Since the tire is still rotating in the same direction on the wheel.

While there are amelioration techniques that Xeno & Clare have outlined
such as lessening positive front caster, the wear is due to the un-natural
positive camber that the inside wheel takes on sharp turns:
https://i.postimg.cc/YqHVb5gY/mount33.jpg
such that the inside front wheel outside corner takes the brunt of it
https://i.postimg.cc/hGvsXBjK/mount34.jpg
meaning there's only so much you can play with in terms of home alignment
https://i.postimg.cc/vZs6Vm3B/mount35.jpg
given it's always going to wear the outside edge of the front tires
https://i.postimg.cc/wTf1xnzJ/mount36.jpg

The simplest solution, which most people never do, would be to FLIP the
wheels on the rim at the normal 5,000 mile rotation point.
https://i.postimg.cc/26DfF8vq/mount02.jpg

If you don't know how to flip a tire on the rim in a few minutes, you
likely won't do it, since it would cost $20 per rotation which is $100 just

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Most tire places charge extra for nitrogen fill.

Costco is great, but Nitrogen fill is a marketing gimmick much like Face ID is a marketing gimmick. It serves one main purpose which is to _differentiate_ their "air" from someone elses' air. Nothing more than that. Green caps are brilliant marketing ploys... but any _adult_ would realize that the nitrogen in tires is a gimmick if they simply knew what it is.

My green cap tire fill is way more better than your black cap tire fill.
If it wasn't way more better, why did they change the color of the cap?
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Costco is great, but Nitrogen fill is a marketing gimmick much like Face ID
is a marketing gimmick.

Oh look, mr ignorant dipshit is spouting off uniformed bullshit. Again.
Shocking.

My green cap tire fill is way more better than your black cap tire fill.
If it wasn't way more better, why did they change the color of the cap?

There are definite advantages to nitrogen filled tires, as 0.3 seconds
on your favorite search engine will reveal.

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In message <t4iigl$efs$1@dont-email.me> wasbit <wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Andy Burnelli" <spam@nospam.com>" wrote in message
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Costco is great, but Nitrogen fill is a marketing gimmick much like Face ID is a marketing gimmick.

Oh look, mr ignorant dipshit is spouting off uniformed bullshit. Again.
Shocking.

It's always consistent that the iKooks don't own the IQ or education to
understand how marketing tries to differentiate what is, in essence,
nothing different.

The fact the iKooks fall for every marketing gimmick in the book is
literaly _why_ they're iKooks.

The iKooks are completely ignorant of all common marketing gimmicks.
They actually think these gimmicks are "real" advantages. Who is that stupid?
More to the point, who is that ignorant?

For example, they've never read Consumer Reports in their entire lives.
 *Should You Use Nitrogen in Your Car Tires?*
https://www.consumerreports.org/tire-buying-maintenance/should-you-use-nitrogen-in-car-tires-a6260003694/

My green cap tire fill is way more better than your black cap tire fill.
If it wasn't way more better, why did they change the color of the cap?

There are definite advantages to nitrogen filled tires, as 0.3 seconds
on your favorite search engine will reveal.

There is always some truth in marketing gimmicks - that's why they work.
But only on incredibly gullible people (which, sadly, is most people).

This is an important point to each of these newsgroups because stupid
people fall for every marketing gimmick in the book, where the auto
maintentenance industry and the smartphone industry is no exception.

The marketing powerhouses (e.g., Chevron & Apple) pay millions of dollars
to feed gullible fear-filled people with their propaganda such that people
like STeve actually _believe_ that "Techron", "Nitrogen", & "Face-ID" make
any difference at all in terms of performance, safety, & security.

Techron, for example, is merely a meaningless trademark, which was
originally used for "polyetheramines", which, for example, Costco gas has
in top-tier proportions (hence, Chevron gas is no better than Costco gas).

Likewise for nitrogen in tires, where there's nothing wrong with a slightly
higher percentage of nitrogen in your tires, but the benefits are
negligable in the real world. Don't take that from me although if you know physics, chemistry, and
statistics, you could have figured it out on your own. Take it from CR:
 *Should You Use Nitrogen in Your Car Tires?*
https://www.consumerreports.org/tire-buying-maintenance/should-you-use-nitrogen-in-car-tires-a6260003694/
 Published May 11, 2019 | Updated October 15, 2021
 "CR's tests show that using nitrogen is not worth the money
  or inconvenience. This common pitch is compelling: Filling your car's
  tires with nitrogen will reduce air loss, boost fuel economy, reduce   rolling resistance, and improve safety. [But] Testing conducted   independently by Consumer Reports and the National Highway Traffic Safety
  Administration shows that the benefits are more theoretical
  than practical."

They did a year-long study on 31 tire brands for their 16K mile treadwear
test using typical air-filled tires as the comparison in every test.
1. The loss of air pressure difference over an entire year was 1.3 psi
2. The presumed oxidation difference isn't even measureable 3. The miles per gallon presumed efficiency was also negligable    etc.

Yet, the marketing isn't a lie, per se so much as bullshit in practice.
There's a difference.

If people were intelligent... marketing gimmicks wouldn't work.
The fact they work, and that they work well, is troubling to me.

It's what's most troublesome to me when I converse with iKooks, for
example, for whom every marketing gimmick in the book works perfectly.

BTW, this is a _classic_ example of fear-based MARKETING working on
gullible people who are ill educated such that they fall for every
marketing trick in the book.


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Most tire places charge extra for nitrogen fill.

Costco is great, but Nitrogen fill is a marketing gimmick much like Face ID is a marketing gimmick.
It serves one main purpose which is to _differentiate_ their "air" from someone elses' air. Nothing more than that.
Green caps are brilliant marketing ploys... but any _adult_ would realize that the nitrogen in tires is a gimmick if they simply knew what it is.

My green cap tire fill is way more better than your black cap tire fill.
If it wasn't way more better, why did they change the color of the cap?

Exactly!!

Seriously though, while I would not pay extra for nitrogen fill, since it's included with tire installation at Costco, I'll take it.

Costco actually has a vested interest in using nitrogen because they include a road hazard warranty at no extra cost, and because they actually honor tread wear warranties (many tire stores will find any excuse possible to avoid honoring warranties). Nitrogen fill means fewer tires operating at low pressure and fewer warranty claims.

Andy can educate himself about nitrogen-fill for tires here: https://www.carsdirect.com/car-repair/using-nitrogen-for-tire-inflation-advantages--disadvantages


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I would not pay extra for nitrogen fill

If you have to drive somewhere special to top up your tires you're
paying extra with your time and trouble. I do my (normal air) top-ups in the comfort of my own garage...

Costco actually has a vested interest in using nitrogen

Yup. They get you to come down to their store to fill up...

because they include a road hazard warranty at no extra cost, and
because they actually honor tread wear warranties

My tire dealer does that too. And no annual fee.

Nitrogen fill means fewer tires operating at low pressure and fewer
warranty claims.

If I get a puncture, nitrogen leaks out just like good old air. (And
BTW both my cars will warn me if a tire gets low. YMMV.) Otherwise I seldom see more than a pound or two pound change when checking every month and often no change at all...



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AJL wrote:

If I get a puncture, nitrogen leaks out just like good old air. (And
BTW both my cars will warn me if a tire gets low. YMMV.) Otherwise I seldom see more than a pound or two pound change when checking every month and often no change at all...

Consumer reports said the difference was 1.3 psi after an entire year.
That's at about the level of reproducibility of a typical crap tire gauge.

And that was for tires COMPLETELY inflated _multiple_ times at the start!
 *Should You Use Nitrogen in Your Car Tires?*
https://www.consumerreports.org/tire-buying-maintenance/should-you-use-nitrogen-in-car-tires-a6260003694/

Nobody will completely deflate the tires a few times using nitrogen
_before_ they even begin to run the test, so it won't be even that.

It's [obviously] a gimmick.

Just like with Apple advertising, they want gullible people to believe that
the theoretical advantages are literally practical advantages in real use.

They're not.
Nobody in the world reputable has found _any_ realistic advantage.

And if they did, don't you think the fleets would use them?
FedEx doesn't. DHL doesn't. UPS doesn't. Nobody does.

The ones who do are racing cars, airplane tires, and other extreme uses.
But not for passenger vehicles operated at normal temperatures in the USA.

It's a marketing gimmick to differentiate their air from your air. Steve and Lewis are swayed by marketing which speaks of what Consumer
Reports calls the "theoretical" advantages, which are so small as to be
unmeasurable in most cases and almost completely meaningless in the rest.

Since the theoretical differences do exist, the marketing isn't a lie.
Instead, it's a gimmick to differientate their air from your air.

And that's what marketing's job is do to.
To sell snow to an eskimo by claiming your snow is better than theirs.


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"sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
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On 4/29/2022 10:47 PM, wasbit wrote:
"Andy Burnelli" <spam@nospam.com>" wrote in message
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Most tire places charge extra for nitrogen fill.

Costco is great, but Nitrogen fill is a marketing gimmick much like Face ID is a marketing gimmick.
It serves one main purpose which is to _differentiate_ their "air" from someone elses' air. Nothing more than that.
Green caps are brilliant marketing ploys... but any _adult_ would realize that the nitrogen in tires is a gimmick if they simply knew what it is.

My green cap tire fill is way more better than your black cap tire fill.
If it wasn't way more better, why did they change the color of the cap?

Exactly!!

Seriously though, while I would not pay extra for nitrogen fill, since it's included with tire installation at Costco, I'll take it.

Costco actually has a vested interest in using nitrogen because they include a road hazard warranty at no extra cost, and because they actually honor tread wear warranties (many tire stores will find any excuse possible to avoid honoring warranties). Nitrogen fill means fewer tires operating at low pressure and fewer warranty claims.

Andy can educate himself about nitrogen-fill for tires here: https://www.carsdirect.com/car-repair/using-nitrogen-for-tire-inflation-advantages--disadvantages

The gov cares about passenger tire underinflation accident reduction.

The gov scoped their passenger car tire nitrogen study fifteen years ago.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GAOREPORTS-GAO-07-246R/html/GAOREPORTS-GAO-07-246R.htm

This is a 2008 NHTSA report on nitrogen in passenger tires that resulted.

The Effects of Inflation Gas on Tire Laboratory Test Performance
https://www.solsticeforum.com/attachments/nhtsa-2008-0121-0002-1-1-pdf.14247/

Too technical for me.
What do you make of that gov study on a 95% nitrogen mandate in car tires?
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wasbit


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