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* forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
|+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
||`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burnelli
|| `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
||  `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burnelli
|`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burnelli
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?VanguardLH
|`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burnelli
| `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Chris Green
|+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Roger Mills
||`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Chris Green
|`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Mayayana
|+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Joerg Lorenz
||+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Chris Green
|||`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
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||`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
|| +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Mayayana
|| `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
||  +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
||  +* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
||  |`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
||  | `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
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||  |   `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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||  `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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|`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Roger Mills
|+- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burnelli
|`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
|`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| +* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| |+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
| ||`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
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| || `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  +* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
| ||  |`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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| ||  | | |`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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| ||  | | | |`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  | | | | +* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
| ||  | | | | |`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  | | | | `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| ||  | | | `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
| ||  | | |  `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  | | |   +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| ||  | | |   `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
| ||  | | |    +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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| ||  | | |     `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
| ||  | | +* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
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| ||  | | |`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  | | | `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burns
| ||  | | `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burns
| ||  | |  `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| ||  | |   `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
| ||  | `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| ||  |  +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| ||  |  `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  |   +* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| ||  |   |+- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| ||  |   |`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  |   | +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
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| ||  |   |  `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| ||  |   `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| ||  |    `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  |     `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?VanguardLH
| ||  `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| |`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| | `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| |  +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| |  +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| |  `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
| |   `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| |    +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| |    `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
| |     `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| |      +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| |      `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Joerg Lorenz
| `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms

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From: bashley...@gmail.com (The Real Bev)
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Subject: Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?
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 by: The Real Bev - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 04:24 UTC

On 04/24/2022 07:59 PM, sms wrote:
> On 4/24/2022 9:51 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> I can send texts via email from my computer to nnnnnnnnnn@vtext.com or
>> whatever the proper domain is, but you have to KNOW the proper domain.
>> More trouble than it's worth.
>
> No you don't, Google Voice figures it out for you.

So I have to go to the gmail website with my computer and... do
something? I avoid going to the website -- I've used Thunderbird since
it was Netscape .9.

> Of course you could also just send the text to a all the different SMS
> gateways and one of them would likely work.

Which, of course, means looking all of them up...

> The issue is that with the SMS to eMail gateways they can't text you back.

I've emailed-to-text to my granddaughter, who has replied to my email.

--
Cheers, Bev
Brian (Talking to crowd): You need to be independent minded.
Crowd: We are! We are!
Person in crowd: I'm not! -- Monty Python

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 by: The Real Bev - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 04:34 UTC

On 04/25/2022 05:24 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> On 4/24/2022 1:17 PM, sms wrote:
>>
>> > SMS is not intended to express anything complex. It's used for things
>> > like sending someone an address, notifying them that you're waiting
>> > for them somewhere, or telling them to pick up something at the
>> > store.

I would hope that people would PHONE me. The goddam text is too small
to read without my reading glasses, which I might not even have with me
-- even at the largest size. I've given various medical offices my cell
number because they might need to get in touch with me about the
relatives I take to medical appointments.

>> Some businesses here use it too. My mechanic advises by text when the
>> car is ready to be picked up. Likewise my doctor and dentist offices
>> send appointment reminders that I can confirm by a return text. Easy
>> peasy...

I hate receiving messages reminding me of things -- possibly a week in
advance -- that I don't need a reminder for. Each one costs me 1% of my
annual cost. Look at it that way and it's not quite as trivial.

> Exactly. I checked my SMS 'Inbox' just now and the earliest normal,
> *non*-automated, SMS message (from SWMBO :-)) is of nearly a year ago,
> all others - some 20 different senders - are (pseudo) automated ones.

--
Cheers, Bev
Brian (Talking to crowd): You need to be independent minded.
Crowd: We are! We are!
Person in crowd: I'm not! -- Monty Python

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 by: The Real Bev - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 04:48 UTC

On 04/25/2022 07:59 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 04/24/2022 11:02 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> > The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> There seems to be no way to do it with the Pixel2. I wish people would
>> >> send actual email instead of text messages, but that's probably not
>> >> going to happen. I want to KEEP the text in the message on my computer,
>> >> but I see no way to forward it to my email address. I can always type
>> >> it, of course, but that just seems WRONG.
>> >
>> > I think you've missed the method which nospam mentioned, which is to
>> > long press the SMS message [1], choose 'Share' and choose 'Gmail' (or
>> > whatever email app you use) [2].
>>
>> Doesn't exist. Only shows phone numbers. No apps or even a box to
>> insert something -- just choose from what's shown, all of which is wrong.
>
> [...]
>
>> > [2] Of course this depends on *which* 'Messages' app you use - i.e.
>> > there's no such thing as "the [Android] 'Messages' app" -, but the
>> > method works for whichever 'Messages' app was used in nospam's example
>> > and for the Samsung 'Messages' app on my Samsung Galaxy A51 smartphone.
>>
>> I use whatever the Pixel2 provided. Blue thing that looks like a
>> squarish text bubble.
>
> Strange! One would expect that a (Google) Pixel smartphone should have
> the Google Messages [1] app and that that Google Messages app would have
> a 'Share' (like) function (for SMS messages). Most apps have a 'Share'
> (like) function, so why not Google Messages?
>
> Please have a look if the icon of your messages app matches that of
> Google Messages or/and give the 'id' of your app.

It's the actual Google Messages. Honest. I just looked at it to make
sure. The 'share' button provides email addresses and works. The
'forward' function showed only phone numbers AND NOW (it wasn't there
before) the email address that I managed to copy the message to the
other day. I don't think the 'share' option was offered before (I think
I'd have noticed it because I use it for photos and gps tracks
frequently).

> Anyway, perhaps other Pixel users can have a look to see if you're
> overlooking or misunderstanding something.
>
> [...]
>
> [1] 'Messages' by Google LLC
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.messaging>
> N.B. The Google Play entry does mention sharing of "pictures, GIFs,
> emoji, stickers, videos and audio messages.", but that's obviously in a
> RCS context, not SMS, so it's unclear if it can share SMS text.

It may have been a transcription of a voice message -- there's a green
telephone icon included...

Anyway, now I know I can forward sms to my email address, and from
thence I can forward it to the person I want. Life is good.

--
Cheers, Bev
Brian (Talking to crowd): You need to be independent minded.
Crowd: We are! We are!
Person in crowd: I'm not! -- Monty Python

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 by: The Real Bev - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 04:54 UTC

On 04/25/2022 02:41 PM, sms wrote:
> On 4/25/2022 10:59 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Yep. Sorry. Senior moment. I was confused with the SMS-to-email
>> direction. Of course *that* SMS has to contain the email address of the
>> recipient. Or am I still confused!? :-)
>
> Yes, the SMS back to e-mail, or SMS back to actual SMS (not a web site
> that lets you read received SMS) is the issue.
>
> With Google Voice, when you send an SMS from the app or Google Voice web
> site, the receiver can respond to the SMS directly.
>
> There are two issues with Google Voice SMS:
>
> 1. Many businesses will not send authorization codes to a VOIP phone
> number and many apps won't let you sign up with a VOIP phone number.

I've had business refuse to accept the google voice number, but if they
offer a 'voice' option they accept our Ooma number -- but I have to
remember to turn off the Sentry2 robocall killer and then turn it back on.

I remember back in the dark ages when it was GOOD being out in the car
because nobody could get at you. One of the freedoms that we've lost
now. Yes, we could turn our phones off, but that might make family
worry if they tried to call us.

--
Cheers, Bev
"If Mary Jo could float I would have been president."
-- Ted Kennedy

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 by: AJL - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 05:17 UTC

On 4/25/22 9:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>> Some businesses here use text too. My mechanic advises by text when the
>> car is ready to be picked up. Likewise my doctor and dentist offices
>> send appointment reminders that I can confirm by a return text.

>I hate receiving messages reminding me of things -- possibly a week in
>advance -- that I don't need a reminder for.

My GUESS is that they do the reminders to avoid the no shows. Not all are as
good as you.

>Each one costs me 1% of my
>annual cost. Look at it that way and it's not quite as trivial.

My GUESS is that most have unlimited text these days so no extra cost for
us...

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 by: The Real Bev - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 05:48 UTC

On 04/25/2022 10:17 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 4/25/22 9:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>>> Some businesses here use text too. My mechanic advises by text when the
>>> car is ready to be picked up. Likewise my doctor and dentist offices
>>> send appointment reminders that I can confirm by a return text.
>
>>I hate receiving messages reminding me of things -- possibly a week in
>>advance -- that I don't need a reminder for.
>
> My GUESS is that they do the reminders to avoid the no shows. Not all are as
> good as you.

They charge for no-shows. or at least threaten to. Besides, they
over-book so there's no real loss. I looked at a doc's appointment book
once; there were 4 patients booked into each 15-minute interval. My
retinologist said they regarded it as a success if they got the patient
OUT of the office within an hour of the appointment time. Hubby's
cardiologist regularly has one- to two-hour waits after the nominal
appointment time.

>>Each one costs me 1% of my
>>annual cost. Look at it that way and it's not quite as trivial.
>
> My GUESS is that most have unlimited text these days so no extra cost for
> us...

Exactly right; there's no actual point for most people to worry about
things like this -- they pay $30 or $40 a month for the convenience of
NOT worrying about costs.

--
Cheers, Bev
"If Mary Jo could float I would have been president."
-- Ted Kennedy

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 by: AJL - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 06:07 UTC

On 4/25/22 10:48 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>On 04/25/2022 10:17 PM, AJL wrote:

>> My GUESS is that they do the reminders to avoid the no shows.

>They charge for no-shows. or at least threaten to. Besides, they
>over-book so there's no real loss. I looked at a doc's appointment book
>once; there were 4 patients booked into each 15-minute interval. My
>retinologist said they regarded it as a success if they got the patient
>OUT of the office within an hour of the appointment time. Hubby's
>cardiologist regularly has one- to two-hour waits after the nominal
>appointment time.

Wow. Don't have that problem here (yet). I choose offices with a large
number of docs and pas and am not fussy who I see.

>> My GUESS is that most have unlimited text these days so no extra cost for
>> us...

>Exactly right; there's no actual point for most people to worry about
>things like this -- they pay $30 or $40 a month for the convenience of
>NOT worrying about costs.

I pay more than that. It's a good thing that there are so many choices...

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 by: sms - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:57 UTC

On 4/25/2022 9:12 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 04/24/2022 01:17 PM, sms wrote:
>> On 4/24/2022 12:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> OK, but since what we mean is the result of "text me" requests, there's
>>> built-in ambiguity.  I had no idea what SMS stands for until I looked it
>>> up just now.  I'm sorry to say that I assume that people who send SMS by
>>> choice are technologically unsophisticated (or just dumb) -- you can't
>>> really express anything complex with your thumbs.  I think I'm more
>>> right than wrong here.
>>
>> No, you're more wrong than right. SMS is not intended to express
>> anything complex. It's used for things like sending someone an address,
>> notifying them that you're waiting for them somewhere, or telling them
>> to pick up something at the store.
>
> Yes, but the thing I was interested in was long.  The sender had written
> it elsewhere and copy+pasted into the sms because she apparently didn't
> have an email address for me.

An SMS is limited to 160 characters. How long could it be?

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 by: sms - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:59 UTC

On 4/25/2022 9:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 04/25/2022 05:24 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2022 1:17 PM, sms wrote:
>>>
>>> > SMS is not intended to express anything complex. It's used for things
>>> > like sending someone an address, notifying them that you're waiting
>>> > for them somewhere, or telling them to pick up something at the
>>> > store.
>
> I would hope that people would PHONE me.

I agree. It drives me crazy when my wife tries to plan something with
her sister using a collection of SMS. Just call her!

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 by: nospam - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:59 UTC

In article <t48tnm$fe2$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > Yes, but the thing I was interested in was long.  The sender had written
> > it elsewhere and copy+pasted into the sms because she apparently didn't
> > have an email address for me.
>
> An SMS is limited to 160 characters. How long could it be?

longer messages are automatically split across multiple messages.

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 by: sms - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:10 UTC

On 4/25/2022 9:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> I remember back in the dark ages when it was GOOD being out in the car
> because nobody could get at you.  One of the freedoms that we've lost
> now.  Yes, we could turn our phones off, but that might make family
> worry if they tried to call us.

I remember the first time an employer provided me with a way to work
from home, a second phone line and a terminal with an acoustic coupler.
I thought it was so cool. Fast forward a few decades and employers have
figured out how to get employees to work nights, weekends, and on
vacations. When my wife says that she's on-call on the weekend, and
she's getting two days off during the week, I know that she'll be at
home, on her work laptop and work iPhone during those days.

The pandemic has made employers realize the enormous financial benefits
of letting employees work from home. They work _more_ not less, and the
employer cuts back on how much office space they need, as well as
transferring the cost of electricity, water, coffee, HVAC, etc., to the
employee. For companies that provide transportation, either via their
own bus system or through paying for public transit for their employees,
there are additional savings. Ditto for companies that supply free meals
for employees. Often these companies will pay for the employees'
broadband, but not always. The entities really suffering from the shift
to remote-working are public transit agencies, restaurants, caterers,
commercial office space owners, and apartment complex owners.

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 by: sms - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:23 UTC

On 4/25/2022 10:48 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

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> Exactly right;  there's no actual point for most people to worry about
> things like this  -- they pay $30 or $40 a month for the convenience of
> NOT worrying about costs.

Not necessary to pay anywhere close to that.

RedPocket offers service on T-Mobile for $2.50 per 30 days ($30 for 360
days) and that includes 200 voice minutes, 1000 texts, and 200MB of data
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/133196831828>.

FreedomPop offers service on T-Mobile for $0 per month, including 300
voice minutes, 1000 texts, and 100MB of data
<https://www.walmart.com/ip/680827893>. Some people are now saying that
they're being charged $1.50 per month E911 fee.

Your grandfathered $10/year T-Mobile plan is fine for an emergency
phone, but not really practical in the 21st century.

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In article <t48v91$ufl$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > Exactly right;  there's no actual point for most people to worry about
> > things like this  -- they pay $30 or $40 a month for the convenience of
> > NOT worrying about costs.
>
> Not necessary to pay anywhere close to that.

that depends on the level of service someone needs. in many cases, the
price would be higher than $30-40.

> RedPocket offers service on T-Mobile for $2.50 per 30 days ($30 for 360
> days) and that includes 200 voice minutes, 1000 texts, and 200MB of data

you've obviously never used red pocket. they're *horrible* and
200/1000/200 is nothing. and don't you hate t-mobile?

> FreedomPop offers service on T-Mobile for $0 per month, including 300
> voice minutes, 1000 texts, and 100MB of data

freedompop is the worst possible choice. it's not even worth free, it's
that bad. people have to jump through hoops to stay on the free plan,
which doesn't even work most of the time.

> Your grandfathered $10/year T-Mobile plan is fine for an emergency
> phone, but not really practical in the 21st century.

*any* cellphone can be used in an emergency, with or without active
service.

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 by: The Real Bev - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:59 UTC

On 04/25/2022 11:07 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 4/25/22 10:48 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>On 04/25/2022 10:17 PM, AJL wrote:
>
>>> My GUESS is that they do the reminders to avoid the no shows.
>
>>They charge for no-shows. or at least threaten to. Besides, they
>>over-book so there's no real loss. I looked at a doc's appointment book
>>once; there were 4 patients booked into each 15-minute interval. My
>>retinologist said they regarded it as a success if they got the patient
>>OUT of the office within an hour of the appointment time. Hubby's
>>cardiologist regularly has one- to two-hour waits after the nominal
>>appointment time.
>
> Wow. Don't have that problem here (yet). I choose offices with a large
> number of docs and pas and am not fussy who I see.

I can't remember the last time I was seen at the appointed time. Having
squired my elderly relatives to various doctors, as well as seeing my
own doctors, being able to pick and choose (and fire) is essential.
SOMEBODY had to be at the bottom of his med school class, and I never
want to see one of those turkeys more than once.

Sometimes we make fatal mistakes -- assuming that a board-certified
cardiologist at THE cardiology practice will make correct diagnoses.
You can't get one doctor to testify against another doctor -- the best
you can hope for is that they will blackball the turkey.

BTW, the yelp etc. rating sites are woefully inaccurate, not even
getting the location of a practice right;

>>> My GUESS is that most have unlimited text these days so no extra cost for
>>> us...
>
>>Exactly right; there's no actual point for most people to worry about
>>things like this -- they pay $30 or $40 a month for the convenience of
>>NOT worrying about costs.
>
> I pay more than that. It's a good thing that there are so many choices...

Even $5/month is more than the service is worth to me. I've used $16
worth of calls/messages since last September. This includes a number of
robocalls (car warranty and immigration documents) until I got T-Mobile
to kill them) and a larger than usual number of calls due to the death
of a friend. If I could buy a chunk of data that was good forever I
might buy that, but existing monthly data plans are uneconomical.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death."
-- Hunter S. Thompson

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 by: The Real Bev - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:01 UTC

On 04/26/2022 06:57 AM, sms wrote:
> On 4/25/2022 9:12 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 04/24/2022 01:17 PM, sms wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2022 12:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> OK, but since what we mean is the result of "text me" requests, there's
>>>> built-in ambiguity. I had no idea what SMS stands for until I looked it
>>>> up just now. I'm sorry to say that I assume that people who send SMS by
>>>> choice are technologically unsophisticated (or just dumb) -- you can't
>>>> really express anything complex with your thumbs. I think I'm more
>>>> right than wrong here.
>>>
>>> No, you're more wrong than right. SMS is not intended to express
>>> anything complex. It's used for things like sending someone an address,
>>> notifying them that you're waiting for them somewhere, or telling them
>>> to pick up something at the store.
>>
>> Yes, but the thing I was interested in was long. The sender had written
>> it elsewhere and copy+pasted into the sms because she apparently didn't
>> have an email address for me.
>
> An SMS is limited to 160 characters. How long could it be?

Hrm. That accounts for the first part of the message being cut off. I
thought the sender had just sent the important part. Worser and worser.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death."
-- Hunter S. Thompson

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 by: The Real Bev - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:12 UTC

On 04/26/2022 07:23 AM, sms wrote:
> On 4/25/2022 10:48 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Exactly right; there's no actual point for most people to worry about
>> things like this -- they pay $30 or $40 a month for the convenience of
>> NOT worrying about costs.
>
> Not necessary to pay anywhere close to that.
>
> RedPocket offers service on T-Mobile for $2.50 per 30 days ($30 for 360
> days) and that includes 200 voice minutes, 1000 texts, and 200MB of data
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/133196831828>.

They took over FreedomPop's 'free' service. No. I had a 200Mb/month
FreedomPop hotspot that was supposed to be good forever. I used it once
in the 2 years that it worked. Definitely worth the $20 it cost. RP
cut off service immediately. I had assumed that a successor company
assumed the debts as well as the assets, but apparently not -- or at
least not without paying a lawyer.

> FreedomPop offers service on T-Mobile for $0 per month, including 300
> voice minutes, 1000 texts, and 100MB of data
> <https://www.walmart.com/ip/680827893>. Some people are now saying that
> they're being charged $1.50 per month E911 fee.

Freedompop lies and cheats. I will never even think about using them again.

> Your grandfathered $10/year T-Mobile plan is fine for an emergency
> phone, but not really practical in the 21st century.

I'm home most of the time. We did all our serious traveling when the
kids were young; current travel is rare. $71/month for AT&T Gigabit
service (essential, but if they raise the price we can fall back to
slower service), $5/month for Ooma VOIP, and $20/year (2 phones) for
cell service. Hangouts wifi at hotspots has been useful. Any
phone-chatter we do at home, not outside.

Frugal people get to retire earlier :-)

--
Cheers, Bev
"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death."
-- Hunter S. Thompson

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 by: AJL - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 18:13 UTC

On 4/26/22 9:59 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

>I can't remember the last time I was seen at the appointed time.

If you don't like your doc try another office. If you do, I guess you're
SOL.

>the yelp etc. rating sites are woefully inaccurate,

I think most folks post on how well they like the doc and office staff's
attitude. It's hard to find an accurate doc kill ratio anywhere...

>I've used $16
>worth of calls/messages since last September.

The wife is on the phone for hours to family around the country. Likewise
texting. But I've been with the same service since the beginning simply
because I've found it reliable in almost all locations I frequent. The
price is worth it to me and I repeat, YMMV...

> If I could buy a chunk of data that was good forever I
>might buy that, but existing monthly data plans are uneconomical.

Lotsa free WiFi in my area. Yours too?

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 by: sms - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 18:16 UTC

On 4/26/2022 10:12 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> They took over FreedomPop's 'free' service.  No.  I had a 200Mb/month
> FreedomPop hotspot that was supposed to be good forever.  I used it once
> in the 2 years that it worked.  Definitely worth the $20 it cost.  RP
> cut off service immediately.  I had assumed that a successor company
> assumed the debts as well as the assets, but apparently not -- or at
> least not without paying a lawyer.

OMG, how long are you going to complain about the old FreedomPop's
Sprint service ending and the Sprint hotspot not working?!

>> FreedomPop offers service on T-Mobile for $0 per month, including 300
>> voice minutes, 1000 texts, and 100MB of data
>> <https://www.walmart.com/ip/680827893>. Some people are now saying that
>> they're being charged $1.50 per month E911 fee.
>
> Freedompop lies and cheats.  I will never even think about using them
> again.

FreedomPop is now owned by RedPocket. RedPocket has been rock-solid. The
Reddit reviews of the free Walmart/FreedomPop plan have been good. The
free plan renews automatically. It's probably a good idea to use a
virtual credit card when you activate, then close it, as long as there
is no 911 fee. The Citibank Doublecash card is the only card I know that
still offers true virtual cards.

>> Your grandfathered $10/year T-Mobile plan is fine for an emergency
>> phone, but not really practical in the 21st century.
>
> I'm home most of the time.  We did all our serious traveling when the
> kids were young;  current travel is rare.   $71/month for AT&T Gigabit
> service (essential, but if they raise the price we can fall back to
> slower service).

$71, ouch! That's a lot. I try to be frugal about our monthly recurring
expenses, but I understand that not everyone really cares about
minimizing their expenses. We have an antenna for OTA TV. But my wife
insists on Netflix. If you truly feel that 1Gb/s broadband is
"essential" then that's up to you of course.

I guess you don't have Comcast in your area. I'm paying under $31/month
for 600Mb/s and it includes one 1GB/month line of Xfinity Mobile. It was
a strange promotion, 50Mb/s for $20 per month, boosted to 600 Mb/s if
you take one line of Xfinity mobile, which costs $15 per month. Good for
two years. Without taking the Xfinity Mobile line it would have cost me
$80 per month for 600Mb/s and I would have switched to AT&T.

I don't use the Xfinity wireless service or the free low-end 5G phone
that they included (Motorola One Ace 5G (not the UW version)). There's
also a $100 rebate coming, so pro-rated over two years that brings the
cost down to under $31 per month.

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In article <t49ctj$lo8$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> RedPocket has been rock-solid.

not in a good way.

> The Citibank Doublecash card is the only card I know that
> still offers true virtual cards.

there are others, as well as third party services, and citi's
implementation is not great.

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 19:43 UTC

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/25/2022 9:12 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
[...]

> > Yes, but the thing I was interested in was long.  The sender had written
> > it elsewhere and copy+pasted into the sms because she apparently didn't
> > have an email address for me.
>
> An SMS is limited to 160 characters. How long could it be?

Only a single SMS message is limited to 160 characters. Phones and
network providers support SMS message concatenation since eons, so you
can send much longer messages.

The total maximum length of concatenated messages is normally 918
characters in 153 character chunks. (153 instead of 160, because of the
overhead for splitting/concatenation.)

Example reference:

'What is the maximum number of characters in an SMS text message?'
<https://thesmsworks.co.uk/maximum-length-sms-text-message>

N.B. The body of this article fits in 918 characters! :-)

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 by: sms - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:03 UTC

On 4/26/2022 12:43 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/25/2022 9:12 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> [...]
>
>>> Yes, but the thing I was interested in was long.  The sender had written
>>> it elsewhere and copy+pasted into the sms because she apparently didn't
>>> have an email address for me.
>>
>> An SMS is limited to 160 characters. How long could it be?
>
> Only a single SMS message is limited to 160 characters. Phones and
> network providers support SMS message concatenation since eons, so you
> can send much longer messages.

That is true, but unless the sender is using something like an e-mail to
SMS gateway, or a web to SMS gateway, it's very common to send lengthy SMS.

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From: bashley...@gmail.com (The Real Bev)
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Subject: Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?
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 by: The Real Bev - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:28 UTC

On 04/26/2022 11:13 AM, AJL wrote:
> On 4/26/22 9:59 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>>I can't remember the last time I was seen at the appointed time.
>
> If you don't like your doc try another office. If you do, I guess you're
> SOL.

That's why I would never sign up with an HMO. I had thought that Kaiser
was a good one until we took a friend's senile father to the Canoga Park
ER. I've never seen such a poorly run ER -- SRO and the receptionist
was also the triage nurse and did some easy/fast procedures
(band-aids). A guy came in bleeding in a wheelchair and it took 20
minutes for somebody to come and clean the blood off the floor, and 5
minutes more to wheel him off to wherever he needed to go.

>>the yelp etc. rating sites are woefully inaccurate,
>
> I think most folks post on how well they like the doc and office staff's
> attitude. It's hard to find an accurate doc kill ratio anywhere...

Yeah. Incredibly stupid. "Well, he killed Grandpa but they have
coffee and cookies in the waiting room..." I want House, not Doc Welby.

>>I've used $16
>>worth of calls/messages since last September.
>
> The wife is on the phone for hours to family around the country. Likewise
> texting. But I've been with the same service since the beginning simply
> because I've found it reliable in almost all locations I frequent. The
> price is worth it to me and I repeat, YMMV...

Yeah, you need a complete service. I feel sorry for you...

>> If I could buy a chunk of data that was good forever I
>>might buy that, but existing monthly data plans are uneconomical.
>
> Lotsa free WiFi in my area. Yours too?

Quite a bit. Plus we're never far from a Starbuck's/McD/Burger King no
matter where we are. Pilot gas stations outside California. No wifi at
Arco.

--
Cheers, Bev
When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a thumb.

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Subject: Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?
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 by: sms - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:40 UTC

On 4/26/2022 1:28 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 04/26/2022 11:13 AM, AJL wrote:
>> On 4/26/22 9:59 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> I can't remember the last time I was seen at the appointed time.
>>
>> If you don't like your doc try another office. If you do, I guess you're
>> SOL.
>
> That's why I would never sign up with an HMO.  I had thought that Kaiser
> was a good one until we took a friend's senile father to the Canoga Park
> ER.  I've never seen such a poorly run ER -- SRO and the receptionist
> was also the triage nurse and did some easy/fast  procedures
> (band-aids).  A guy came in bleeding  in a wheelchair and it took 20
> minutes for somebody to come and clean the blood off the floor, and 5
> minutes more to wheel him off to wherever he needed to go.

There's a huge difference between Kaiser regions. Northern California
Kaiser is very good. The facilities are very new and the doctors are
excellent. It's extremely competitive for doctors to get a job at Kaiser
here.

When my son was in college in San Diego, the quality of the Kaiser
facilities was not as good as in the northern region.

But even in Southern California, Kaiser is also rated as the best health
plan, and by a significant margin. See
<https://healthinsuranceratings.ncqa.org/2019/search/Commercial/CA> and
<https://reportcard.opa.ca.gov/rc/HMO_PPOCombined.aspx>.

You can't judge something by a single incident that happened to you.

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 by: nospam - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:10 UTC

In article <t49j62$a5l$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >>
> >> An SMS is limited to 160 characters. How long could it be?
> >
> > Only a single SMS message is limited to 160 characters. Phones and
> > network providers support SMS message concatenation since eons, so you
> > can send much longer messages.
>
> That is true, but unless the sender is using something like an e-mail to
> SMS gateway, or a web to SMS gateway,

or a modern messaging app.

> it's very common to send lengthy SMS.

it's not common, but it definitely does happen.

the point is that length limits are no longer an issue to the user.

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From: noem...@none.com (AJL)
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Subject: Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?
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 by: AJL - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:21 UTC

On 4/26/2022 1:28 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 04/26/2022 11:13 AM, AJL wrote:

>> If you don't like your doc try another office. If you do, I guess
>> you're SOL.

> That's why I would never sign up with an HMO. I had thought that
> Kaiser was a good one until we took a friend's senile father to the
> Canoga Park ER. I've never seen such a poorly run ER

My HMO (insurance) gives choices. I have 20+ doctors offices to choose
from in a 10 mile radius of my house. And 5 hospitals. So if things go
bad it's easy to switch. And prices aren't bad either: Doc visit
$15. Specialist $30. ER $50. Hospital $100. And no deductible...

>> The wife is on the phone for hours to family around the country.
>> Likewise texting.

> Yeah, you need a complete service. I feel sorry for you...

Don't. I certainly get my moneys worth in cell service time. When I was
a kid it was long distance charges just to call across town (different
area code) much less across country. Things have gotten MUCH cheaper.

BTW we used to beat Ma Bell out of long distance charges by making short
wave ham radio phone patches. Good old days...

>> Lotsa free WiFi in my area. Yours too?
>
> Quite a bit. Plus we're never far from a Starbuck's/McD/Burger King
> no matter where we are.

Yup. Seems half the folks there have a laptop open...

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