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From: club...@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)
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by: Simon Clubley - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 12:41 UTC

On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> John Reagan just announced:
>>
>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
>
> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>

Let's have a bit of fun. :-)

When will Basic be released ?

My guess is 15-Jan-2024.

Simon.

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by: Arne Vajhøj - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 19:53 UTC

On 9/7/2023 8:41 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> John Reagan just announced:
>>>
>>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
>>
>> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>
> Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
>
> When will Basic be released ?
>
> My guess is 15-Jan-2024.

1-Nov-2023

Arne

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by: Brian Schenkenberger - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 21:04 UTC

On 2023-09-07 12:41:41 +0000, Simon Clubley said:

> On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> John Reagan just announced:
>>>
>>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
>>
>> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>>
>
> Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
>
> When will Basic be released ?
>
> My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
>
> Simon.

In the year 2525...

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by: Jan-Erik Söderholm - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 21:23 UTC

Den 2023-09-07 kl. 23:04, skrev Brian Schenkenberger:
> On 2023-09-07 12:41:41 +0000, Simon Clubley said:
>
>> On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> John Reagan just announced:
>>>>
>>>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
>>>
>>> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>>>
>>
>> Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
>>
>> When will Basic be released ?
>>
>> My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
>>
>> Simon.
>
> In the year 2525...
>

The best guess!
Idiotic competion...

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by: John H Reinhardt - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 00:24 UTC

On 9/7/2023 4:04 PM, Brian Schenkenberger wrote:
> On 2023-09-07 12:41:41 +0000, Simon Clubley said:
>
>> On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> John Reagan just announced:
>>>>
>>>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
>>>
>>> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>>>
>>
>> Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
>>
>> When will Basic be released ?
>>
>> My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
>>
>> Simon.
>
> In the year 2525...
>

If OpenVMS is still alive,
If VSI can survive
They may find...

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by: John Reagan - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 01:56 UTC

On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 8:41:44 AM UTC-4, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <ar...@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
> > On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> >> John Reagan just announced:
> >>
> >> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
> >
> > Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
> >
>
> Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
>
> When will Basic be released ?
>
> My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
>
> Simon.
>
> --
> Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.
Write your guess on the back of a $100 bill and send it to me

We have resolved one of the difficult issues with BASIC MAP statements
and can actually pass a significant number of tests. However, we still have
a few more things to track down before I would say it is useful.

We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.

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by: Arne Vajhøj - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 02:01 UTC

On 9/7/2023 9:56 PM, John Reagan wrote:
> We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
> many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
> and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.

Am I right in assuming that you have gotten more compiler error reports
since you released the x86-64 native compilers for field test to
hobbyists than the previous 20 years?

Arne

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by: Ian Miller - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:23 UTC

On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:56:11 AM UTC+1, John Reagan wrote:
> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 8:41:44 AM UTC-4, Simon Clubley wrote:
> > On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <ar...@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
> > > On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > >> John Reagan just announced:
> > >>
> > >> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
> > >
> > > Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
> > >
> >
> > Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
> >
> > When will Basic be released ?
> >
> > My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
> >
> > Simon.
> >
> > --
> > Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> > Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.
> Write your guess on the back of a $100 bill and send it to me
>
> We have resolved one of the difficult issues with BASIC MAP statements
> and can actually pass a significant number of tests. However, we still have
> a few more things to track down before I would say it is useful.
>
> We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
> many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
> and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.

recreating the work of Aulë in generating dwarves will be difficult. Do you have access to the Flame Imperishable? :-)

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by: John Reagan - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 12:10 UTC

On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 10:01:31 PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 9/7/2023 9:56 PM, John Reagan wrote:
> > We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
> > many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
> > and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.
> Am I right in assuming that you have gotten more compiler error reports
> since you released the x86-64 native compilers for field test to
> hobbyists than the previous 20 years?
>
> Arne
Just 20 years? Sure. There hasn't been many major revisions since 2003.
However, I certainly remember large numbers of bugs from our first years
with GEM compilers (both with frontends not generating the correct GEM
IR and with GEM doing incorrect optmizations). I can remember the early
days and Pascal having over 75 open bugs against it. Today I think I have
5 or 6 (not counting the ones I know about that nobody has reported yet)

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by: Simon Clubley - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 12:17 UTC

On 2023-09-07, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:
>
> The best guess!
> Idiotic competion...

Why ?

Basic is the last of the native compilers to be released and hence will
mark another step on the way to x86-64 VMS being production-ready when
it is finally released.

It's no different than first-boot, but for the compilers instead of VMS
itself.

Or did you think the first-boot contest was idiotic as well ? :-)

BTW, Jan-Erik, you could always stop being grumpy and add your guess
to the list instead... :-)

Simon.

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by: Simon Clubley - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 12:21 UTC

On 2023-09-08, John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 10:01:31?PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 9/7/2023 9:56 PM, John Reagan wrote:
>> > We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
>> > many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
>> > and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.
>> Am I right in assuming that you have gotten more compiler error reports
>> since you released the x86-64 native compilers for field test to
>> hobbyists than the previous 20 years?
>>
>> Arne
> Just 20 years? Sure. There hasn't been many major revisions since 2003.
> However, I certainly remember large numbers of bugs from our first years
> with GEM compilers (both with frontends not generating the correct GEM
> IR and with GEM doing incorrect optmizations). I can remember the early
> days and Pascal having over 75 open bugs against it. Today I think I have
> 5 or 6 (not counting the ones I know about that nobody has reported yet)

Well, that certainly speaks to hobbyists being an actual asset to VSI,
and not just some overhead to be tolerated.

Hobbyists are also likely to do things that production users may not, and
hence discover more things, so that's another asset source to VSI right
there.

Simon.

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by: Arne Vajhøj - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 12:29 UTC

On 9/8/2023 8:21 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-09-08, John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 10:01:31?PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2023 9:56 PM, John Reagan wrote:
>>>> We're actually trying to refresh other compilers this month as well. Too
>>>> many things to keep track off including a fresh set of COBOL issues
>>>> and working on the debugger & DWARF generation.
>>> Am I right in assuming that you have gotten more compiler error reports
>>> since you released the x86-64 native compilers for field test to
>>> hobbyists than the previous 20 years?

>> Just 20 years? Sure. There hasn't been many major revisions since 2003.
>> However, I certainly remember large numbers of bugs from our first years
>> with GEM compilers (both with frontends not generating the correct GEM
>> IR and with GEM doing incorrect optmizations). I can remember the early
>> days and Pascal having over 75 open bugs against it. Today I think I have
>> 5 or 6 (not counting the ones I know about that nobody has reported yet)
>
> Well, that certainly speaks to hobbyists being an actual asset to VSI,
> and not just some overhead to be tolerated.

Yes. Having hobbyists find compiler bugs building open source seems
beneficial to having paying customers finding the same bugs building
their business critical applications seems like a very good thing
for VSI.

> Hobbyists are also likely to do things that production users may not, and
> hence discover more things, so that's another asset source to VSI right
> there.

Probably not in the compiler space.

But definitely in the HW/VM support space.

Arne

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by: bill - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 13:05 UTC

On 9/7/2023 5:04 PM, Brian Schenkenberger wrote:
> On 2023-09-07 12:41:41 +0000, Simon Clubley said:
>
>> On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> John Reagan just announced:
>>>>
>>>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
>>>
>>> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>>>
>>
>> Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
>>
>> When will Basic be released ?
>>
>> My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
>>
>> Simon.
>
> In the year 2525...
>

But only if man is still alive....

bill

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by: Simon Clubley - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 17:49 UTC

On 2023-09-08, bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/7/2023 5:04 PM, Brian Schenkenberger wrote:
>> On 2023-09-07 12:41:41 +0000, Simon Clubley said:
>>
>>> On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>>> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> John Reagan just announced:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
>>>>
>>>> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
>>>
>>> When will Basic be released ?
>>>
>>> My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
>>>
>>> Simon.
>>
>> In the year 2525...
>>
>
> But only if man is still alive....
>

Three women keep hope alive...

Simon.

PS: Bill, you now don't get to accuse me of being off topic for at least
6 months... :-)

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by: bill - Fri, 8 Sep 2023 17:57 UTC

On 9/8/2023 1:49 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-09-08, bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/7/2023 5:04 PM, Brian Schenkenberger wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-07 12:41:41 +0000, Simon Clubley said:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>> John Reagan just announced:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
>>>>
>>>> When will Basic be released ?
>>>>
>>>> My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
>>>>
>>>> Simon.
>>>
>>> In the year 2525...
>>>
>>
>> But only if man is still alive....
>>
>
> Three women keep hope alive...
>
> Simon.
>
> PS: Bill, you now don't get to accuse me of being off topic for at least
> 6 months... :-)
>

I have never accused anyone of being off topic. When a topic drifts off
too far or just gets boring I merely ignore it.

bill

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by: Rich Jordan - Thu, 30 Nov 2023 23:03 UTC

On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:57:45 PM UTC-5, bill wrote:
> On 9/8/2023 1:49 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> > On 2023-09-08, bill <bill.gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 9/7/2023 5:04 PM, Brian Schenkenberger wrote:
> >>> On 2023-09-07 12:41:41 +0000, Simon Clubley said:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2023-09-06, Arne Vajhøj <ar...@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
> >>>>> On 9/5/2023 7:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> >>>>>> John Reagan just announced:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://forum.vmssoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8831
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now we just need Basic among the native languages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's have a bit of fun. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> When will Basic be released ?
> >>>>
> >>>> My guess is 15-Jan-2024.
> >>>>
> >>>> Simon.
> >>>
> >>> In the year 2525...
> >>>
> >>
> >> But only if man is still alive....
> >>
> >
> > Three women keep hope alive...
> >
> > Simon.
> >
> > PS: Bill, you now don't get to accuse me of being off topic for at least
> > 6 months... :-)
> >
> I have never accused anyone of being off topic. When a topic drifts off
> too far or just gets boring I merely ignore it.
>
> bill

Apparently did not make the 11/30 monthly product update, though field tests for four other compilers did.

Got a customer who is hanging on an x86 changeover waiting for BASIC, and another customer who is considering it (currently on VSI on integrity) for that glorious release.

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Guess the VMS Basic for x86-64 release date	Simon Clubley
Re: Guess the VMS Basic for x86-64 release date	Arne Vajhøj
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Re: Guess the VMS Basic for x86-64 release date	Simon Clubley
Re: Guess the VMS Basic for x86-64 release date	John H Reinhardt
Re: Guess the VMS Basic for x86-64 release date	bill
Re: Guess the VMS Basic for x86-64 release date	Simon Clubley
Re: Guess the VMS Basic for x86-64 release date	bill
Re: Guess the VMS Basic for x86-64 release date	Rich Jordan
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Re: Guess the VMS Basic for x86-64 release date	Ian Miller