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Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex to add Covid-19 Vaccination Cards to the Apple Wallet?!)

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:45 UTC

Xeno wrote:

>>> In my experience with 14 inch tires,
>>
>> You mean 14" rims...
>
> No, he means 14" tyres which happen to fit 14" rims. Good, huh?

It never fails that the iKooks (e.g., Alan Baker, nospam, Jolly Roger,
Lewis, et. al) have nothing of value to add - so - just to be able to say
something (anything) - they endlessly & childishly argue about nothing.

Every _adult_ knew exactly what was being said in the polite conversation.
--
On Usenet, some people are here to be purposefully helpful, while others
(e.g., the iKooks) are here simply to argue about anything that they can.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:50 UTC

On 4/5/2022 7:45 am, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>
>>>> In my experience with 14 inch tires,
>>>
>>> You mean 14" rims...
>>
>> No, he means 14" tyres which happen to fit 14" rims. Good, huh?
>
> It never fails that the iKooks (e.g., Alan Baker, nospam, Jolly Roger,
> Lewis, et. al) have nothing of value to add - so - just to be able to say
> something (anything) - they endlessly & childishly argue about nothing.
>
> Every _adult_ knew exactly what was being said in the polite conversation.

I had no issue with what you wrote no with how you wrote it.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Alan - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:50 UTC

On 2022-05-03 2:29 p.m., Xeno wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 6:52 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-03 1:14 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've owned several.  I currently have 5 Geo Metros.  Some models had
>>>> the 12" rim tires; others had 13".  It's getting hard to find new
>>>> 12" rim tires.  My former '95 Toyota Tercel had 13's also.  All of
>>>> my larger vehicles take 15's now.
>>>
>>> In my experience with 14 inch tires,
>>
>> You mean 14" rims...
>
> No, he means 14" tyres which happen to fit 14" rims. Good, huh?
>

When someone consistently uses terms inaccurately, it's a fairly safe
bet that they don't know the subject matter very well.

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 by: Alan - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:52 UTC

On 2022-05-03 2:50 p.m., Xeno wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 7:45 am, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>
>>>>> In my experience with 14 inch tires,
>>>>
>>>> You mean 14" rims...
>>>
>>> No, he means 14" tyres which happen to fit 14" rims. Good, huh?
>>
>> It never fails that the iKooks (e.g., Alan Baker, nospam, Jolly Roger,
>> Lewis, et. al) have nothing of value to add - so - just to be able to say
>> something (anything) - they endlessly & childishly argue about nothing.
>>
>> Every _adult_ knew exactly what was being said in the polite
>> conversation.
>
> I had no issue with what you wrote no with how you wrote it.
>

I had no issue understanding what he MEANT...

....but his continuing inaccurate use of automotive terminology shows he
is (as usual) pretending to know more about a subject than he actually does.

"OBDII sensor" for instance.

:-)

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:55 UTC

On 4/5/2022 7:42 am, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>
>>> I would call it "quicker steering" in that the time between twisting the
>>> steering wheel & the time that force makes it to the pavement, is
>>> reduced.
>>
>> The quicker steering is a direct *result* of the tighter slip angles.
>
> I realize you're using industry terminology and I'm not, so I appreciate
> that you clarified what you had meant by the "tighter slip angle".
> <https://www.formula1-dictionary.net/slip_angle.html>
> "Slip angle is the angle between a rolling wheel's actual direction of
> travel and the direction towards which it is pointing."

If you're talking about vehicle handling, then a discussion of slip
angles is an imperative.
>
>> What it also does is reduce steering feel so, once tyres are close to
>> the limit, shit happens real quick.
>
> I like that this guy eliminates the other three tires when explaining it.
> *Explained: Tire Slip Angle*
> <https://youtu.be/rbhkfD1Dxo4>

Yep, start with the concept at one wheel and then, once understood, move
onto all wheels at once to get the concept of handling. Handling is a
very misunderstood concept.

--
Xeno

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:57 UTC

On 4/5/2022 7:50 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-03 2:29 p.m., Xeno wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 6:52 am, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-03 1:14 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've owned several.  I currently have 5 Geo Metros.  Some models
>>>>> had the 12" rim tires; others had 13".  It's getting hard to find
>>>>> new 12" rim tires.  My former '95 Toyota Tercel had 13's also.  All
>>>>> of my larger vehicles take 15's now.
>>>>
>>>> In my experience with 14 inch tires,
>>>
>>> You mean 14" rims...
>>
>> No, he means 14" tyres which happen to fit 14" rims. Good, huh?
>>
>
> When someone consistently uses terms inaccurately, it's a fairly safe
> bet that they don't know the subject matter very well.

For the record, I have been in the automotive industry in a professional
capacity for *decades* and I still refer to 14" tyres. It isn't a big
deal, really it isn't, so don't make it so.

--
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 by: Alan - Tue, 3 May 2022 22:42 UTC

On 2022-05-03 2:55 p.m., Xeno wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 7:42 am, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>
>>>> I would call it "quicker steering" in that the time between twisting
>>>> the
>>>> steering wheel & the time that force makes it to the pavement, is
>>>> reduced.
>>>
>>> The quicker steering is a direct *result* of the tighter slip angles.
>>
>> I realize you're using industry terminology and I'm not, so I appreciate
>> that you clarified what you had meant by the "tighter slip angle".
>> <https://www.formula1-dictionary.net/slip_angle.html>
>> "Slip angle is the angle between a rolling wheel's actual direction of
>> travel and the direction towards which it is pointing."
>
> If you're talking about vehicle handling, then a discussion of slip
> angles is an imperative.

Don't I know it!

It's certainly key on the track...

:-D

>>
>>> What it also does is reduce steering feel so, once tyres are close to
>>> the limit, shit happens real quick.
>>
>> I like that this guy eliminates the other three tires when explaining it.
>> *Explained: Tire Slip Angle*
>> <https://youtu.be/rbhkfD1Dxo4>
>
> Yep, start with the concept at one wheel and then, once understood, move
> onto all wheels at once to get the concept of handling. Handling is a
> very misunderstood concept.

Very.

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>
> Do you do any woodworking? That's a hobby that also takes up floor

I don't, aside from rough furniture repair and refinishing (to sell at
the antique mall). Lots of old furniture in the garage. Although, for
some reason, I'm subscribed to rec.woodworking

> There's also the bay concept (you dig a hole, put in steps, and voila!).

Tempting for the dirt floor side; I'll have to consider that.

> Yup. If the tires are small (less than about 17 inches perhaps) you can use
> the bead breaker that comes with the manual tire changer. I'm assuming, of
> course, that you have compressed air and all the necessary air fittings.
>
> There are six beads involved, the first & last being the hardest.

I don't foresee owning a vehicle with larger than 15" rims in the near
future, so good to know that I'd only need the balancer and manual tire
changer.

> At this point you _position_ the new tire (by the dots)... e. Then you
> set the lower bead of the new tire (using the tire changer).
> f. Then you set the upper bead of the new tire (using the tire changer).

I'm still confused on how the dots come into play. The only tire I've
ever changed myself, was the little 12" Geo Metro tire (by hand).

> Fun fact: Plenty of pads are EE which is just about the same coefficient of
> friction as steel on steel... which says a lot about how reliable brakes
> are when you think about the braking being barely better than no pad
> material left for _some_ pads sold on the market today.

I rarely wear out brakes, even cheep steel fiber pads, because I'm just
light on them. I'm used to a spongey petal and some-what unreliable
brakes. The upside, I don't panic if the brakes go out (it's happened a
couple of times). The older 2 and 3 speed automatics are geared in a
way where you rarely have to brake on hills or otherwise; just let off
of the accelerator. Same as many manual cars.

In my '83 F150 with the three on the tree, that thing kept a steady 45
MPH on my whole 2-lane highway commute into work. I didn't have to
touch the brake on the 40 minute commute except for one red light and
pulling into the parking lot. Of course, that transmission (especially
with the rear end gearing) really didn't like the highway. Forget about
much over 60 MPH.

> I recently replaced a five speed transmission clutch and decided to replace
> the flywheel where it was $60 to turn it and about the same to buy a new
> one online but I ended up paying about $80 (as I recall) since I needed it
> pronto so I picked up the one at the local auto parts store.

I've only done a clutch in a Geo Metro. Still, not a fun job, but it
was nice to drive the car afterward. Even though the friction pad was
worn to nothing, the flywheel looked fine, so I just threw the clutch
kit on and mounted the transmission back up. Been working good as new
since (except for the failed headlight wiring that has the car parked).

> The Stealer was something like $300 or so (as I recall).
> They don't call them the Stealer for no good reason.

The stealer? You lost me.

> Fun Fact: What is the _main_ cause of the uneven deposition?
>
> HINT: It's your foot doing what your brain instinctively tells it to do;
> but if you train your foot to do the right thing instead, you won't ever
> get "rotor warp" again (at least not the pad deposition type anyway).

I'm assuming that you are talking about riding the brakes. I have a
tendency to drive cars without very good braking systems, and especially
older 4-wheel drum systems; I know to always pulse the brake. Also,
take it easy in general. No need to speed up a hill just to ride your
brakes down.

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> When is the last time you had to replace a ball joint & tie rod end?
> And how many u-joints have you had to replace in the past few years?

Actually, that's a pretty regular thing for me. I've still got the '89
Olds up on jacks because the lower ball joints both need done. Those
little buggers aren't cheap. I did the outer tie rod ends when I bought
it a couple of years ago (I don't keep many cars this long), but the
inner ends are also shot.

One of the Geo Metros is also parked for _really_ bad ball joints and
tie rod ends. Of course, I'm a special case, since some of my cars have
north of 300K miles. There's a good chance that no one else has
replaced these parts before. When the steering gets sketchy, it's not
worth it to me to push my luck.

> Don't even get me started on winding our own alternator coils, or setting
> dwell or timing or replacing points and condensers and adjusting carbs...

Oh, that's still a thing here on my old beaters also. Upside to these
systems, while they are more maintenance, they are less prone to
failure. I've cleaned and gaped breaker points before (with a
matchbook), and back on the road you go. It took me a while to figure
out why I didn't have spark on one car... finally, oops, it was that
post-1975 or so spark control box (computer?) that went bad.

> I really want you to check out Simple Tire for their prices.
> <https://simpletire.com/types/passenger-tires>
>
> Please pick a set of tires by size and tell me what the least expensive
> tire is and then I can tell you whether it's a good deal or not given
> whatever the OEM tire spec is for that vehicle.

They don't have 145/80/R12 for the Geo Metros (1989 - 1993 base model),
but they seem to have 155/80/R12 for anywhere from $57.96 to $64.96

235/75/R15 for my F150 are anywhere from $88.96 up

I don't know if these are any good, but they have a neat, classic look:

https://simpletire.com/brands/tornel-tires/classic#v=1&tireSize=235-75r15&mpn=10m55600&pageSource=sizeCatalog&itemId=191604&delivery=Del2&curationSource=none&productPos=1

The truck also calls for 215/75/R15, but probably not as good of an
idea, because I've been know to haul a _lot_ of scrap metal in the poor
old thing (I've had it packed 4 feet up over the top of the ladder rack!)

215's as cheap as $81.96

It's sitting there with a blown head gasket (straight 6 300 engine)...
boy do I miss driving that thing around. Must'a been one of the last
with the wing windows.

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 by: Michael Trew - Wed, 4 May 2022 02:00 UTC

On 5/3/2022 15:33, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> I live in Ohio, in a county with no emissions. No car inspections
>> either; I love it!
>
> I bought well over a hundred gallons of gasoline two days before the war,
> and I'm almost empty now, so I'll find out what the gas prices are in
> California, but I'm expecting even Costco to be well nigh near six bucks.
>
> I bring that up only because that's the one thing I love about newer cars,
> is that they tend to get better gas mileage than do the older cars.

True, for the most part. The reason that I'm so addicted to early 90's
Geo Metros is because the 3 cylinder 5 speed variety hatchback get an
honest-to-God 50 MPG on the highway. How many cars owners can say that
and not lie through their teeth? Maybe Prius owners, but my Metro costs
less than it costs for a dealer to replace one of their headlights.

I've driven these Geos to Minnesota (annual car meet), Florida,
Tennessee, Virginia, etc. Stupid reliable, and stupid good on fuel; not
to mention easy to work on.

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 by: Michael Trew - Wed, 4 May 2022 02:05 UTC

On 5/3/2022 17:26, Xeno wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 4:46 am, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> Can't wait to fix my '75 Dodge Dart. It needs a leaf spring
>> replaced (Lord knows how that broke), then it's back on the road.
>
> Leaf springs commonly break. It is one of the things I remember doing a
> lot of when most cars had semi-eliptical leaf springs back in the day.
> Used to replace a lot of broken coils springs too.

Ah, I just assumed that they were more durable. I found the '75 Dart
parked on a neighborhood street with a $800 sign in the window. I
couldn't call the guy fast enough. It barely ran on really old gas. I
puttered to a local fuel station, and it ran just well enough to get it
home (with basically no brakes).

I've since had the exhaust done, did the brake lines and most components
myself with those nifty copper clad brake lines, and did a full tune-up.
It ran great until rolling down the road, BANG, passenger side of the
car almost dragging on the tires last Autumn (leaf spring no longer
shaped like a "U"). I bought two leaf springs, beefy ones with an extra
leaf (from a V8 car) from a pull-a-part. I just have to get gutsy
enough to mess with those old rusted out bolts to install them.

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 by: Xeno - Wed, 4 May 2022 07:18 UTC

On 4/5/2022 12:05 pm, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/3/2022 17:26, Xeno wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 4:46 am, Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>>> Can't wait to fix my '75 Dodge Dart.  It needs a leaf spring
>>> replaced (Lord knows how that broke), then it's back on the road.
>>
>> Leaf springs commonly break. It is one of the things I remember doing a
>> lot of when most cars had semi-eliptical leaf springs back in the day.
>> Used to replace a lot of broken coils springs too.
>
> Ah, I just assumed that they were more durable.  I found the '75 Dart
> parked on a neighborhood street with a $800 sign in the window.  I
> couldn't call the guy fast enough.  It barely ran on really old gas.  I
> puttered to a local fuel station, and it ran just well enough to get it
> home (with basically no brakes).
>
> I've since had the exhaust done, did the brake lines and most components
> myself with those nifty copper clad brake lines, and did a full tune-up.
>  It ran great until rolling down the road, BANG, passenger side of the
> car almost dragging on the tires last Autumn (leaf spring no longer
> shaped like a "U").  I bought two leaf springs, beefy ones with an extra
> leaf (from a V8 car) from a pull-a-part.  I just have to get gutsy
> enough to mess with those old rusted out bolts to install them.

Ah, yes, rusty old bolts, know them well.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Wed, 4 May 2022 07:39 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:

> On 5/3/2022 15:19, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>
>> Do you do any woodworking? That's a hobby that also takes up floor
>
> I don't, aside from rough furniture repair and refinishing (to sell at
> the antique mall). Lots of old furniture in the garage. Although, for
> some reason, I'm subscribed to rec.woodworking

No problem. You have the garage to die for, not only for automotive use,
but also for woodworking (where a table saw, drill press, lathe, planer,
grinder, sander, jig saw, etc., take up room).

Once you have a wood shop, you can make all the furniture you like, e.g.,
you could build a round kitchen table out of oak that would sell on the
market for thousands but only cost you hundreds in material.

>> There's also the bay concept (you dig a hole, put in steps, and voila!).
>
> Tempting for the dirt floor side; I'll have to consider that.

Assuming safety concerns are met (it has to be built well), it's one way to
get around the height restriction you mentioned.

>> Yup. If the tires are small (less than about 17 inches perhaps) you can use
>> the bead breaker that comes with the manual tire changer. I'm assuming, of
>> course, that you have compressed air and all the necessary air fittings.
>>
>> There are six beads involved, the first & last being the hardest.
>
> I don't foresee owning a vehicle with larger than 15" rims in the near
> future, so good to know that I'd only need the balancer and manual tire
> changer.

You can get away then with the smallish bead breaker tool on the manual
tire changer, although it's _always_ nicer to have the dedicated bead
breaker - but you can work up to it - like everyone does - with tools.

>> At this point you _position_ the new tire (by the dots)... e. Then you
>> set the lower bead of the new tire (using the tire changer).
>> f. Then you set the upper bead of the new tire (using the tire changer).
>
> I'm still confused on how the dots come into play. The only tire I've
> ever changed myself, was the little 12" Geo Metro tire (by hand).

The theory is explained in the articles I previously cited on the topic.
HINT: R-> R-> R-> R (rim -> red -> radial -> runout)

Remember I harped previously on the required knowledge of _three_
indicators which usually take priority in _this_ very specific order)
a. The rim match mounting mark (alloy wheels vs steel)
b. The red dot (roundness)
c. The yellow dot (weight)

Also remember I had previously advised to vist a tire shop and _look_ at
how _they_ aligned the dots to the valve stem, as explained here:
<https://www.tires-easy.com/blog/what-are-the-red-and-yellow-dots-on-my-tires/>
"If the valve stem is located at the heaviest point on the tire,
it will be lined up with a yellow dot on the sidewall. When a red dot
is lined up with the valve stem you can assume that the valve is at
the tire��s lightest point."

If you forget the theory, you simply choose one of the marks to take
precedence, and then you put _that_ dot next to the valve stem. That's it.

Here's the _simplest_ practical flow-chart I can find for you:
*How to balance a tire properly: use the yellow and red dots*
<https://www.rtsauto.com/how-to-balance-a-tire-properly-use-the-yellow-and-red-dots/>
On a rim, naturally the spot that is the ��heaviest�� is where the
valve stem resides as the stem adds weight to one side of the rim.
On a tire... Yellow indicates the lightest spot on the tire.
Red marks the high point for the radial runout/radial force variation.
The former is a measurement of weight, while the latter is a measurement
of roundness.
Yellow dot only: Align to valve stem
Yellow and Red Dot: The red always takes priority if the rim has a white
dot or dimple; in such case align red to white. The white dot indicates
the low point for radial runout/radial force variation of the rim.
If there is no white dot or dimple forget the red dot and align the
yellow dot to the valve stem.

Most outfits assume you can't find the rim match mounting mark, so the dots
take priority in this order, red over yellow, like it says here:
<https://www.tireget.com/blog/red-and-yellow-dots-on-my-tire-what-do-they-mean>

However, bear in mind the rim match mounting marks depend on the material:
<https://hollisbrothersauto.com/are-your-tire-dots-where-they-should-be/>
"On an alloy wheel, the valve stem marks the heavy point of the wheel.
By matching the light point of the tire with the heavy point of the
wheel it��s likely to give the best initial balance.
On a steel wheel the low point dimple marks the thinner part of the
wheel �V so it makes sense to match the red dot to the wheel dimple."

Fun question: What's the _best_ balanced starting point tire you can find?
a. Is it when the dots coincide, like this?
<https://www.rtsauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/sidewalltirereddot.jpg>
b. Or when they are in some other configuration, like this?
<https://hollisbrothersauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/tiredots.jpg>

HINT: Remember your vowels AEIOU (rAdial->rEd->rIm->rOundness->rUnout)

>> Fun fact: Plenty of pads are EE which is just about the same coefficient of
>> friction as steel on steel... which says a lot about how reliable brakes
>> are when you think about the braking being barely better than no pad
>> material left for _some_ pads sold on the market today.
>
> I rarely wear out brakes, even cheep steel fiber pads, because I'm just
> light on them. I'm used to a spongey petal and some-what unreliable
> brakes.

That's not the brake pads most likely - but the fluid, or leaks.

> The upside, I don't panic if the brakes go out (it's happened a
> couple of times). The older 2 and 3 speed automatics are geared in a
> way where you rarely have to brake on hills or otherwise; just let off
> of the accelerator. Same as many manual cars.

Depends on the situation, but my point is that I buy pads by the specs.
If you don't know the specs, you can't buy them by the specs.

Bear in mind most people are stupid.
They buy pads by the advertising.

Or worse... by the warranty.
(People always want a number line to make decisions by.)

> In my '83 F150 with the three on the tree, that thing kept a steady 45
> MPH on my whole 2-lane highway commute into work. I didn't have to
> touch the brake on the 40 minute commute except for one red light and
> pulling into the parking lot. Of course, that transmission (especially
> with the rear end gearing) really didn't like the highway. Forget about
> much over 60 MPH.

The way I buy brake pads is by the spec.
If the vehicle manufacturer specifies FF pads, I don't buy less than that.

Many inexpensive pads nowadays are FF, GG, and even HH.

>> I recently replaced a five speed transmission clutch and decided to replace
>> the flywheel where it was $60 to turn it and about the same to buy a new
>> one online but I ended up paying about $80 (as I recall) since I needed it
>> pronto so I picked up the one at the local auto parts store.
>
> I've only done a clutch in a Geo Metro. Still, not a fun job, but it
> was nice to drive the car afterward. Even though the friction pad was
> worn to nothing, the flywheel looked fine, so I just threw the clutch
> kit on and mounted the transmission back up. Been working good as new
> since (except for the failed headlight wiring that has the car parked).

You probably did the pilot bearing (at the center of the flywheel).

A clutch is "easy", for the most part, but as you noted, not fun.
The only special tools needed are a set of long ratchet bars,
and the plastic alignment tool that usually comes with a new clutch.

Otherwise, you can use an old drive shaft (if you have one handy).
It helps to have a pilot bearing removal tool (but it's not required).

The steps are (from memory)...
a. Support the transmission
b. Disconnect stuff (e.g., slave cylinder, odometer, gearshift, etc.)
c. Disconnect stuff in the way (e.g., crossmember, exhaust, etc.)
d. Unbolt the bell housing from the engine
e. Inspect the flywheel & replace the pilot bearing
f. Replace the diaphragm, throwout bearing, seals & clutch plate
g. Align it up perfectly and bolt everything back together
h. Adjust the master cylinder & clutch pedal & maybe the springs
i. Take it for the test drive
>> The Stealer was something like $300 or so (as I recall).
>> They don't call them the Stealer for no good reason.
>
> The stealer? You lost me.

You'll learn the first time you need a part which is $100 mail order and
$500 at the dealer.

>> Fun Fact: What is the _main_ cause of the uneven deposition?
>>
>> HINT: It's your foot doing what your brain instinctively tells it to do;
>> but if you train your foot to do the right thing instead, you won't ever
>> get "rotor warp" again (at least not the pad deposition type anyway).
>
> I'm assuming that you are talking about riding the brakes. I have a
> tendency to drive cars without very good braking systems, and especially
> older 4-wheel drum systems; I know to always pulse the brake. Also,
> take it easy in general. No need to speed up a hill just to ride your
> brakes down.


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 by: Andy Burnelli - Wed, 4 May 2022 07:46 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:

> I just have to get gutsy
> enough to mess with those old rusted out bolts to install them.

Check out this video testing the penetrating oils for rusty bolts.
<https://youtu.be/xUEob2oAKVs>
<https://youtu.be/st8dkGzJWtg> Part two

Fun Fact: ATF/Acetone mix came in second.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Wed, 4 May 2022 07:48 UTC

Xeno wrote:

> Ah, yes, rusty old bolts, know them well.

One advantage of living in California is rusty bolts (almost) don't exist.

If you ever need to choose the best penetrating oil, it's in this document
<http://bit.ly/2FCrBpk>

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Wed, 4 May 2022 08:30 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:

>> When is the last time you had to replace a ball joint & tie rod end?
>> And how many u-joints have you had to replace in the past few years?
>
> Actually, that's a pretty regular thing for me. I've still got the '89
> Olds up on jacks because the lower ball joints both need done.

Luckily, ball joints don't need much by way of tools, other than a pickle
fork and a good mallet (and maybe an old-time grease gun for older cars).

> Those
> little buggers aren't cheap. I did the outer tie rod ends when I bought
> it a couple of years ago (I don't keep many cars this long), but the
> inner ends are also shot.

Tie rod ends also aren't too bad - just be sure to mark things first.
The idler arm and pitman arm may require a gear puller though.

> One of the Geo Metros is also parked for _really_ bad ball joints and
> tie rod ends. Of course, I'm a special case, since some of my cars have
> north of 300K miles. There's a good chance that no one else has
> replaced these parts before. When the steering gets sketchy, it's not
> worth it to me to push my luck.

The problem with doing that "stuff" is the alignment needs to be done.

At your young age, all the home alignment tools are well worth buying.
a. You need a wheel jig and camber gauge
b. It's helpful to have wheel plates (greased linoleum works)
c. It's nice to have toe plates too

Always remember you adjust in _this_ order:
Caster -> Camber -> Toe

>> Don't even get me started on winding our own alternator coils, or setting
>> dwell or timing or replacing points and condensers and adjusting carbs...
>
> Oh, that's still a thing here on my old beaters also. Upside to these
> systems, while they are more maintenance, they are less prone to
> failure. I've cleaned and gaped breaker points before (with a
> matchbook), and back on the road you go. It took me a while to figure
> out why I didn't have spark on one car... finally, oops, it was that
> post-1975 or so spark control box (computer?) that went bad.

I have a kit still, with a timing light, dwell meter, flat feeler gauges
(for cams), wire gauges (for plugs), vacuum gauge, hose plugs, hose clamps,
spark plug timing dial gauge, etc.

Haven't opened it in years.

When you have an older motorcycle (which I had at your age), you learn how
to set timing by the dial gauge you screw into the spark plug hole
(measuring mm BTDC) and the buzzer you set up across the points.

>> I really want you to check out Simple Tire for their prices.
>> <https://simpletire.com/types/passenger-tires>
>>
>> Please pick a set of tires by size and tell me what the least expensive
>> tire is and then I can tell you whether it's a good deal or not given
>> whatever the OEM tire spec is for that vehicle.
>
> They don't have 145/80/R12 for the Geo Metros (1989 - 1993 base model),
> but they seem to have 155/80/R12 for anywhere from $57.96 to $64.96

If it's not at Simple Tire, you can try Tire Rack.

> 235/75/R15 for my F150 are anywhere from $88.96 up

Let me give you advice from someone almost twice your age.
The price is (almost) meaningless.
The price is the _last_ thing you look at.
(Then it's very meaningful.)

But the price is meaningless when it comes to buying by the spec.
The price is simply one of the specs.
An important spec.
But not the first spec.

The _reason_ it's not the first spec is that the price tells you nothing.
The price is only what you have to part with to get that spec.

The spec is what matters most when starting your selection process.
The price is what matters most in the end (after you've rejected tires).

Only in the end, do you weigh in the price.

> I don't know if these are any good, but they have a neat, classic look:
> https://simpletire.com/brands/tornel-tires/classic#v=1&tireSize=235-75r15&mpn=10m55600&pageSource=sizeCatalog&itemId=191604&delivery=Del2&curationSource=none&productPos=1

Wow. That tire appears to be a heavyweight in terms of load range.
<https://www.tiresplus.com/tires/tire-buying-guide/tire-load-index-chart/>

The spec on that tire is usually a dozen parts, price always being last:
1. 235 mm wide
2. 75% as tall as it is wide (i.e., 176.25 mm tall)
3. Radial
4. 15 inch
5. Load index 105 (*wow* 2,039 pounds per tire!!!!!!!)
6. Speed S (112mph)
7. Traction: B,
8. Treadwear: 320,
9. Temperature: B
10. Tread pattern (e.g., M&S)
11. Age (within six years)
12. Price... (price is last but still important - see below)

Personally I strive for an A (or AA) in traction, where the rest I just try
to match or exceed OEM specs. A treadwear of 320 isn't all that good BTW.

Do you really need two thousand pounds per tire?
Anyway, once you decide on the specs, _then_ look at price.

Compare that Simple Tire price to Amazon prices.
<https://www.amazon.com/Tornel-Classic-Season-Radial-Tire-235/dp/B07LC41R42>
Amazon = $107 + shipping (which is often around $15 to $20 per tire)
Simple Tire = $89 (includes shipping)

> The truck also calls for 215/75/R15, but probably not as good of an
> idea, because I've been know to haul a _lot_ of scrap metal in the poor
> old thing (I've had it packed 4 feet up over the top of the ladder rack!)

Oh. You haul heavy metal? Well then, the load index does matter then, as
two thousand pounds per tire is double what many tires normally handle.

You're paying for stiff sidewalls, but one thing you need to keep in mind
that if you're comparing a 235/75 with a 215/75, given they have the same
aspect ratio, the 235 mm wide tire will sit 15 mm taller than will the 215
mm wide tire, which will affect your ride, particularly on bumpy roads and
with a load.

> 215's as cheap as $81.96

Ah. Perfect.

So now the price doesn't matter which makes buying by the spec even easier.

I didn't check the 12-part spec for the 215 (which you _should_ do!), but
it may boil down to the difference to you of 15 mm of cushion and 20 mm of
traction width.

> It's sitting there with a blown head gasket (straight 6 300 engine)...
> boy do I miss driving that thing around. Must'a been one of the last
> with the wing windows.

Of the half dozen things all people should do at home, a major engine
overhaul is one of those I haven't done yet.

1. Minor repairs (e.g., cooling system overhaul)
2. Alignment (caster, camber, toe)
3. Transmission (e.g., replace clutch)
4. Painting (e.g., change color)
5. Mounting & balancing wheels/tires
6. Major engine overhaul
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 by: Lewis - Wed, 4 May 2022 11:47 UTC

In message <030520221040297397%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t4r9ca$99q$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>> > Disregarding pick up trucks, most SUVs never see even a *gravel road*
>> > much less go off-road.
>>
>> Not sure what country you're in, but that statement is untrue in the
>> U.S.. Where most vehicles, SUV or not, do drive on gravel roads on
>> occasion.

> only on rare occasion do they drive on gravel roads, and for a small
> number of owners. you're actually confirming what he said.

MOST vehicle *never* travel on gravel roads, SMS is full of shit, as
usual.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 4 May 2022 16:23 UTC

On 2022-05-04 4:47 a.m., Lewis wrote:
> In message <030520221040297397%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <t4r9ca$99q$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Disregarding pick up trucks, most SUVs never see even a *gravel road*
>>>> much less go off-road.
>>>
>>> Not sure what country you're in, but that statement is untrue in the
>>> U.S.. Where most vehicles, SUV or not, do drive on gravel roads on
>>> occasion.
>
>> only on rare occasion do they drive on gravel roads, and for a small
>> number of owners. you're actually confirming what he said.
>
> MOST vehicle *never* travel on gravel roads, SMS is full of shit, as
> usual.
>

I beg to differ.

I live a very urban life in my BMW...

....and yet I still occasionally encounter gravel roads.

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In article <t4u99g$dso$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> >>>> Disregarding pick up trucks, most SUVs never see even a *gravel road*
> >>>> much less go off-road.
> >>>
> >>> Not sure what country you're in, but that statement is untrue in the
> >>> U.S.. Where most vehicles, SUV or not, do drive on gravel roads on
> >>> occasion.
> >
> >> only on rare occasion do they drive on gravel roads, and for a small
> >> number of owners. you're actually confirming what he said.
> >
> > MOST vehicle *never* travel on gravel roads, SMS is full of shit, as
> > usual.
> >
>
> I beg to differ.
>
> I live a very urban life in my BMW...
>
> ...and yet I still occasionally encounter gravel roads.

most != all.

a few do, and only on rare occasion, however, *most* do not.

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 by: Lewis - Thu, 5 May 2022 22:47 UTC

In message <t4u99g$dso$1@dont-email.me> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2022-05-04 4:47 a.m., Lewis wrote:
>> In message <030520221040297397%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <t4r9ca$99q$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Disregarding pick up trucks, most SUVs never see even a *gravel road*
>>>>> much less go off-road.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what country you're in, but that statement is untrue in the
>>>> U.S.. Where most vehicles, SUV or not, do drive on gravel roads on
>>>> occasion.
>>
>>> only on rare occasion do they drive on gravel roads, and for a small
>>> number of owners. you're actually confirming what he said.
>>
>> MOST vehicle *never* travel on gravel roads, SMS is full of shit, as
>> usual.
>>

> I beg to differ.

> I live a very urban life in my BMW...

> ...and yet I still occasionally encounter gravel roads.

that's nice for you, it is still not the usual. And a whole lot of
people will simply NOT drive on gravel or dirt roads at all.

Again, just because one person does something, it does not make it
usual.

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 by: nospam - Thu, 5 May 2022 22:55 UTC

In article <slrnt78l0g.1vq8.g.kreme@zephyrus.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

> Again, just because one person does something, it does not make it
> usual.

unless it's sms, in which case, it applies to everyone.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 6 May 2022 00:40 UTC

nospam wrote:

> a few do, and only on rare occasion, however, *most* do not.

I'm not sure why this is even being argued, where I personally haven't run
the statistics, but from my experience, I would agree logically with those
who say the only place "most" 4WD SUVs go "off road" are in the TV
commercials.

However... I'm talking Silicon Valley (which is flat and has no dirt roads
to speak of... although I use to "baja" where Cisco is now - as it was an
old people's home as I recall, and so was where Sun was..) but that was
with rental cars back in the day...

I'm sure that in Texas or Kansas or some other farm/ranch country, the
statistics would skew differently for the 4WD light trucks than in the
Silicon Valley.

It would be nice to find a survey...
*What percentage of new off-road, 4x4, vehicles are actually driven off-road?*
<https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-new-off-road-4x4-vehicles-are-actually-driven-off-road>
"Damn few"

We need a better survey... by the way... where as I said, I used to "baja"
in the area off of Montegue near 101 before it had _any_ apartments or
Cisco, with 2WD rental cars (probably FWD at that time) so it's "possible"
but not probable.

I even went "baja" in the hills of NY state in a 2WD Chevy pickup with no
first gear, so it can be done even as Continental says it can't over here
*Can I take my SUV off-road?*
<https://www.continental-tires.com/car/tires/vehicle-types/suv/off-road-driving>
"The only SUVs that can go off-road are SUVs that are equipped
with 4x4 functionality"

WTF?
It just goes to show what bullshit advertising spews.

Anyway, still looking for a survey ...
*Carmakers target adventure-seeking Americans with off-roading SUVs*
<https://abcnews.go.com/Business/carmakers-target-adventure-seeking-americans-off-roading-suvs/story>
"Roughly 18% of Expedition customers and 12% of Explorer customers
take their vehicle off-road, according to Ford. Japanese automaker
Toyota has six models that can withstand grueling off-roading conditions,
including the Land Cruiser, 4Runner and Tacoma. Toyota claims
nearly 20% of all off-roading takes place in one of its vehicles."

BTW, just as Russia downplays that the Moskva was promoted to submarine on
a special mission in the Black Sea, and the Ukrainians play up how many
T-72B3 they de-turreted, the car manufacturers want to glorify the few who
do habitually go off road.

I, for one, beep congratulatory appreciation when I see a well-muddied
off-road vehicle on the otherwise car-clean highways of the Silicon Valley
(Californians do very much love to wash and wax their cars indeed).
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 6 May 2022 00:45 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> Again, just because one person does something, it does not make it
>> usual.
>
> unless it's sms, in which case, it applies to everyone.

I think people have an agenda, just as I do with the iKooks.

The best statistics I can find are between 12% and 18% according to car
manufacturers for _specific_ vehicles (see that reference in this thread).

Just as I'd halve the number of T-72B3's the Ukrainians jack-in-the-boxed,
I'll halve those numbers to state, unless someone comes up with better
stats, that somewhere about 10% (at best, IMHO) vehicles go off road.

And that's just at least once off road, I presume (although that's how
marketing skews statistics 'cuz they don't even say how many times).
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 by: Ken Olson - Fri, 6 May 2022 01:32 UTC

On 5/5/2022 8:45 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> Again, just because one person does something, it does not make it
>>> usual.
>>
>> unless it's sms, in which case, it applies to everyone.
>
> I think people have an agenda, just as I do with the iKooks.
>
> The best statistics I can find are between 12% and 18% according to car
> manufacturers for _specific_ vehicles (see that reference in this thread).
>
> Just as I'd halve the number of T-72B3's the Ukrainians jack-in-the-boxed,
> I'll halve those numbers to state, unless someone comes up with better
> stats, that somewhere about 10% (at best, IMHO) vehicles go off road.
>
> And that's just at least once off road, I presume (although that's how
> marketing skews statistics 'cuz they don't even say how many times).

My truck has the dents to prove it has been off-road.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 6 May 2022 02:02 UTC

On 2022-05-05 5:45 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> Again, just because one person does something, it does not make it
>>> usual.
>>
>> unless it's sms, in which case, it applies to everyone.
>
> I think people have an agenda, just as I do with the iKooks.
>
> The best statistics I can find are between 12% and 18% according to car
> manufacturers for _specific_ vehicles (see that reference in this thread).
>
> Just as I'd halve the number of T-72B3's the Ukrainians jack-in-the-boxed,
> I'll halve those numbers to state, unless someone comes up with better
> stats, that somewhere about 10% (at best, IMHO) vehicles go off road.
>
> And that's just at least once off road, I presume (although that's how
> marketing skews statistics 'cuz they don't even say how many times).

Why is you just assume that any number you don't agree with must be some
form of propaganda?

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