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Subject: Re: ip address
From: nospam
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
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Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 12:47 UTC
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In article <u91aki-bk2.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


But, for example, I can only reserve 32 fixed addresses on my router.

If you need more - why? - get a different router.

Can't.

in another post, you said some people do.

I don't "need" more, anyway, just commenting that home routers have
absurd limits.

yours might but it's not representative of all home routers.

Most allow you to specify
what range of IPs are dynamic and which can be reserved. I think the
default on mine is 100 dynamic.

Well, I have 255 dynamic.
But I just can only reserve 32. Dhcp "fixed" addresses.

why would you need more than 32 fixed dhcp addresses? most devices do
not need a reservation at all.

unless you have more than 254 devices total, there is no issue.

The router normally uses 192.168.1.*, but I changed the dhcp range to be
192.168.2.*, so it is larger than usual. But fixated addresses are only
32, that's a hard limit.

that's a separate /24.


Subject: Re: ip address
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In article <9o7aki-15i.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


The config is not secret, you can see it in the router. But they do not
publish the requirements, the specs, so using a third party router is
complicated.

There are people that do use third party routers.

then it can't be that complicated.


Subject: Re: ip address
From: Joerg Lorenz
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
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Am 04.05.22 um 13:08 schrieb Rob:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Modern router allow to assign names and symbols to be added to the list
of active and inactive devices.

Well, mine is not that modern.

It is an ISP router, can't replace with my own because the needed
configuration for all services is not documented, so until I have a real
itch to replace it, and find a valid excuse to complain to my ISP so
that they replace it, it is going to stay.

This is forbidden here, they are not allowed to keep such config
info secret and you must be able to choose your own router.

It is illegal in the EU anyway. Also in Spain.

And I think that is the implementation of a EU directive so it should
be the same for you.

Correct.


--
De gustibus non est disputandum


Subject: Re: ip address
From: Joerg Lorenz
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Am 04.05.22 um 14:22 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
On 2022-05-04 13:08, Rob wrote:
Obviously it has not been applied.

The config is not secret, you can see it in the router. But they do not
publish the requirements, the specs, so using a third party router is
complicated.

They are legally obliged to.



--
De gustibus non est disputandum


Subject: Re: ip address
From: Carlos E.R.
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On 2022-05-04 14:47, nospam wrote:
In article <u91aki-bk2.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


But, for example, I can only reserve 32 fixed addresses on my router.

If you need more - why? - get a different router.

Can't.

in another post, you said some people do.

I prefer sitting in my armchair, rather than working for my router.


I don't "need" more, anyway, just commenting that home routers have
absurd limits.

yours might but it's not representative of all home routers.

Oh, I have seen many other routers.


Most allow you to specify
what range of IPs are dynamic and which can be reserved. I think the
default on mine is 100 dynamic.

Well, I have 255 dynamic.
But I just can only reserve 32. Dhcp "fixed" addresses.

why would you need more than 32 fixed dhcp addresses? most devices do
not need a reservation at all.

Because this thread is about dhcp address reservation, as compared to fixed IP addresses on the client devices such as android phones.


unless you have more than 254 devices total, there is no issue.

I repeat: 32. If you have more than 32, you have a problem. You can not reserve 255 addresses on the dhcp range.


The router normally uses 192.168.1.*, but I changed the dhcp range to be
192.168.2.*, so it is larger than usual. But fixated addresses are only
32, that's a hard limit.

that's a separate /24.

Whatever.

--
Cheers, Carlos.


Subject: Re: ip address
From: Carlos E.R.
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On 2022-05-04 15:24, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 04.05.22 um 14:22 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
On 2022-05-04 13:08, Rob wrote:
Obviously it has not been applied.

The config is not secret, you can see it in the router. But they do not
publish the requirements, the specs, so using a third party router is
complicated.

They are legally obliged to.

Not here, and they don't care.

They are not obliged till the local legislation says so, which will happen when someone sues and wins.


--
Cheers, Carlos.


Subject: Re: ip address
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On 2022-05-04 14:47, nospam wrote:
In article <vg09ki-dkp.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

For instance, there is a
limited number of assignations on home routers.

which is normally much larger than the number of devices people
actually have.

20?

20 devices is nothing.

most routers use a /24 for the lan, for up to 254 devices.

20 devices is less than 10% of the available ip space, with more than
90% remaining to be used.

Sure.

But, for example, I can only reserve 32 fixed addresses on my router.

32 reservations out of 254 leaves 222 remaining to be used.

We are talking of dhcp address reservation.


With a family of four, count four laptops, four phones, four tablets,
two printers, router, access points, game consoles, NAS boxes,
multimedia TVs, chromecast devices, amazon devices, smart speakers,
smart lamps, smart  curtains, security cameras... plus old hardware that
they forgot to remove,

that still doesn't add up to 254 devices, and that's assuming they're
all on all the time.

But it adds up to 32. That's the count, 32, not 255.

you still have 222 left to be used.


We are talking of dhcp address reservation.


also, a lot of iot devices do not have their own ip address. they
connect via a hub (only one ip needed for the hub), bluetooth (direct
between devices but slow) or more recently, thread (fast, and only
needs a border router).

Mine use an IP each.

yours might, but not all do.

hue bulbs, for example, use a hub, which has one ip address, and uses
zigbee to the bulbs. some of the newer bulbs do support bluetooth for
hubless operation, but that is a lot slower and should not be used.

because the routers don't have a field to add a
comment on what is what entry in the list.

yes they do.

Mine doesn't.

others do. yours is an exception.

I have seen many.



On others, the router is
restored to factory or tampered remotely by the ISP.

that's a security exploit that needs to immediately be closed. if they
can do it, so can the bad guys.

They shouldn't.

they absolutely should. it's a backdoor waiting to be exploited.

Nope. It is a security service.

it's an exploit waiting to happen.

Not when done properly.


It is used for remote repairs when people call for assistance, and to
update firmwares, which normal people don't do.

one reason why many routers and other devices auto-update.

That is way dangerous. I have seen none of that.

that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

most routers can auto-update.

I have seen none.

--
Cheers, Carlos.


Subject: Re: ip address
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On 2022-05-04 14:47, nospam wrote:



unless you have more than 254 devices total, there is no issue.

I repeat: 32. If you have more than 32, you have a problem.

What problem, exactly? I can understanding needing a few reserved
addresses, but everything else can live happily on a dynamic address.



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On 2022-05-04 08:40, Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-05-03 23:55, nospam wrote:
In article <eog8ki-fjs.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

For instance, there is a
limited number of assignations on home routers.

which is normally much larger than the number of devices people
actually have.

20?

20 devices is nothing.

most routers use a /24 for the lan, for up to 254 devices.

20 devices is less than 10% of the available ip space, with more than
90% remaining to be used.

Sure.

But, for example, I can only reserve 32 fixed addresses on my router.

If you need more - why? - get a different router.

Can't.

Or won't?

I don't "need" more, anyway, just commenting that home routers have
absurd limits.

For some that can be true. If it's an issue then a replacement is an easy
fix.



Subject: Re: ip address
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Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
I repeat: 32. If you have more than 32, you have a problem. You can not
reserve 255 addresses on the dhcp range.

That is not a limitation of DHCP or a /24 local address range, but a
limitation of your particular router.

I remember that from work when our IT supplier had sold us some router
they managed and configured for us.  When there were too many devices
connected to the WiFi the next one would not get an address.  My request
was "please extend the range from a /24 to a /22" but "router cannot do it".
So router was binned and replaced and now we have a /22.


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On 2022-05-04 20:36, Rob wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
I repeat: 32. If you have more than 32, you have a problem. You can not
reserve 255 addresses on the dhcp range.

That is not a limitation of DHCP or a /24 local address range, but a
limitation of your particular router.

All home routers I have seen have that stupid limitation. And of course I know how to bypass that, it is not a problem for me.

I remember that from work when our IT supplier had sold us some router
they managed and configured for us.  When there were too many devices
connected to the WiFi the next one would not get an address.  My request
was "please extend the range from a /24 to a /22" but "router cannot do it".
So router was binned and replaced and now we have a /22.

But that's a place with IT people, not a place with a home router, where the ISP intentionally makes it hard to replace the router. Even if not, it has a cost.


--
Cheers, Carlos.


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On 2022-05-04 20:27, Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-05-04 08:40, Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-05-03 23:55, nospam wrote:
In article <eog8ki-fjs.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

For instance, there is a
limited number of assignations on home routers.

which is normally much larger than the number of devices people
actually have.

20?

20 devices is nothing.

most routers use a /24 for the lan, for up to 254 devices.

20 devices is less than 10% of the available ip space, with more than
90% remaining to be used.

Sure.

But, for example, I can only reserve 32 fixed addresses on my router.

If you need more - why? - get a different router.

Can't.

Or won't?

I don't "need" more, anyway, just commenting that home routers have
absurd limits.

For some that can be true. If it's an issue then a replacement is an easy
fix.

Not easy. The ISP intentionally makes that difficult by not publishing their requirements for the router, you have to reverse engineer them from an existing router. Yes, it is against the law, so what? I don't have the money to sue, nor the inclination.

--
Cheers, Carlos.


Subject: Re: ip address
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On 2022-05-04 20:26, Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-05-04 14:47, nospam wrote:



unless you have more than 254 devices total, there is no issue.

I repeat: 32. If you have more than 32, you have a problem.

What problem, exactly? I can understanding needing a few reserved
addresses, but everything else can live happily on a dynamic address.


Do we really need to explain ten times the same thing?

You can only FIXATE a limited number of addresses given by dhcp. In some routers I have seen 20, in others I have seen 30.

So if I have 50 devices at home I can not give them a fixed address each.

--
Cheers, Carlos.


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But, for example, I can only reserve 32 fixed addresses on my router.

If you need more - why? - get a different router.

Can't.

in another post, you said some people do.

I prefer sitting in my armchair, rather than working for my router.

what work?

swapping a router is very easy. if the isp requires the one they
provide, then leave it and just connect the new one.

I don't "need" more, anyway, just commenting that home routers have
absurd limits.

yours might but it's not representative of all home routers.

Oh, I have seen many other routers.

apparently not, since the features you claim to not exist are common.

Well, I have 255 dynamic.
But I just can only reserve 32. Dhcp "fixed" addresses.

why would you need more than 32 fixed dhcp addresses? most devices do
not need a reservation at all.

Because this thread is about dhcp address reservation, as compared to
fixed IP addresses on the client devices such as android phones.

do you have 32 phones?

unless you have more than 254 devices total, there is no issue.

I repeat: 32. If you have more than 32, you have a problem. You can not
reserve 255 addresses on the dhcp range.

why do you need to reserve more than 32 devices?

only a handful of devices need a reserved address, and even then, they
probably don't. nearly everything responds to *.local hostname on the
lan.

The router normally uses 192.168.1.*, but I changed the dhcp range to be
192.168.2.*, so it is larger than usual. But fixated addresses are only
32, that's a hard limit.

that's a separate /24.

Whatever.

how did you configure it? because they're *separate* /24s and will need
you 'working for your router', which you claim you do not want to do.


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unless you have more than 254 devices total, there is no issue.

I repeat: 32. If you have more than 32, you have a problem.

What problem, exactly? I can understanding needing a few reserved
addresses, but everything else can live happily on a dynamic address.

exactly.


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In article <slrnt75hu4.4th.nomail@xs9.xs4all.nl>, Rob
<nomail@example.com> wrote:


I remember that from work when our IT supplier had sold us some router
they managed and configured for us.  When there were too many devices
connected to the WiFi the next one would not get an address.  My request
was "please extend the range from a /24 to a /22" but "router cannot do it".
So router was binned and replaced and now we have a /22.

long ago, i encountered a wifi router that could only handle a maximum
of 10 wifi clients. wired clients did not have a limit, other than the
ip block.


Subject: Re: ip address
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In article <rhsaki-p0o.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

But, for example, I can only reserve 32 fixed addresses on my router.

32 reservations out of 254 leaves 222 remaining to be used.

We are talking of dhcp address reservation.

why do you need more than 32 reservations?


Subject: Re: ip address
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In article <hhuaki-72s.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

I repeat: 32. If you have more than 32, you have a problem. You can not
reserve 255 addresses on the dhcp range.

That is not a limitation of DHCP or a /24 local address range, but a
limitation of your particular router.

All home routers I have seen have that stupid limitation. And of course
I know how to bypass that, it is not a problem for me.

what home routers have you seen?


Subject: Re: ip address
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In article <dkvaki-rhu.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

unless you have more than 254 devices total, there is no issue.

I repeat: 32. If you have more than 32, you have a problem.

What problem, exactly? I can understanding needing a few reserved
addresses, but everything else can live happily on a dynamic address.


Do we really need to explain ten times the same thing?

apparently, since you're still missing the point.

You can only FIXATE a limited number of addresses given by dhcp. In some
routers I have seen 20, in others I have seen 30.

others have no limit.

So if I have 50 devices at home I can not give them a fixed address each.

why do you need all 50 devices to have a fixed address?

just about everything will work without issue using a dynamic address.

but even if you did want all of them to be fixed, most people won't
even hit a 32 device limit, let alone 50.


Subject: Re: Random MAC address (Was): ip address
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Subject: Re: Random MAC address (Was): ip address
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Android (at least mine as these are my screenshots) has (at least) two
methods of MAC randomization in the Android system settings, AFAICT.

1. You can randomize the MAC address per network (i.e., per SSID).
2. Or, Android can randomize the MAC address on EACH & EVERY connection.
  https://i.postimg.cc/Rh87RNrV/macaddr02.jpg Random MAC on every connect

The seed, AFAICT, for both, is the SSID (but I'm not sure about that yet).
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Subject: Re: ip address
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nospam wrote:

How does your vaunted iPhone handle MAC randomization by default

by randomizing it. duh.

It turns out that iOS has a long way to go to catch up to Android privacy.


Subject: Re: ip address
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nospam wrote:

The fact remains that almost every recent Android phone (10, 11 & 12) sets
Wi-Fi MAC randomization by default (per SSID), and yet you brazenly claim
they're not working with routers (using Address Reservation settings).

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/2NrC9L._AC_.jpg

Android (at least mine as these are my screenshots) has (at least) two
methods of MAC randomization in the Android system settings, AFAICT.

1. You can randomize the MAC address per network (i.e., per SSID).
2. Or, Android can randomize the MAC address on EACH & EVERY connection.
  https://i.postimg.cc/Rh87RNrV/macaddr02.jpg Random MAC on every connect

The seed, AFAICT, for both, is the SSID (but I'm not sure about that yet).
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Subject: Re: ip address
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In article <t4ujnm$17e8$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

How does your vaunted iPhone handle MAC randomization by default

by randomizing it. duh.

It turns out that iOS has a long way to go to catch up to Android privacy.

it turns out you're clueless, not that anyone had any doubt.


Subject: Re: ip address
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Andy Burnelli wrote:
nospam wrote:

The fact remains that almost every recent Android phone (10, 11 & 12) sets
Wi-Fi MAC randomization by default (per SSID), and yet you brazenly claim
they're not working with routers (using Address Reservation settings).

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/2NrC9L._AC_.jpg

Android (at least mine as these are my screenshots) has (at least) two
methods of MAC randomization in the Android system settings, AFAICT.

1. You can randomize the MAC address per network (i.e., per SSID).
2. Or, Android can randomize the MAC address on EACH & EVERY connection.
 https://i.postimg.cc/Rh87RNrV/macaddr02.jpg Random MAC on every connect

The seed, AFAICT, for both, is the SSID (but I'm not sure about that yet).

Android is obviously superior to apple clusterfucked shit.

The fact that you've not figured this out yet leads me to believe you are retarded.






Subject: Re: ip address
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Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-05-04 20:26, Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-05-04 14:47, nospam wrote:



unless you have more than 254 devices total, there is no issue.

I repeat: 32. If you have more than 32, you have a problem.

What problem, exactly? I can understanding needing a few reserved
addresses, but everything else can live happily on a dynamic address.


Do we really need to explain ten times the same thing?

You've yet to explain the problem ONCE. So whenever you're ready....

You can only FIXATE a limited number of addresses given by dhcp. In some
routers I have seen 20, in others I have seen 30.

So if I have 50 devices at home I can not give them a fixed address each.

So what? If you really wanted to you could reserve 30 addresses and then
the remaining 20 devices would get a dynamically allocated IP. Everything
works as it should. No?





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