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* Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
+* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
|+* Re: Usb-c to usb-cnospam
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|`* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
| `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
|  +- Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
|  `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burns
|   +* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
|   |+* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burns
|   ||`* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
|   || `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
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|   ||   `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
|   ||    `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
|   ||     `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
|   ||      `- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
|   |`* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burns
|   | `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
|   |  `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burns
|   |   `- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
|   `- Re: Usb-c to usb-cBob Martin
+* Re: Usb-c to usb-cMajorLanGod
|+* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||+- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||`* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
|| `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||  `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
||   `* Re: Usb-c to usb-csms
||    +* Re: Usb-c to usb-cnospam
||    |+- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||    |`* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAJL
||    | +- Re: Usb-c to usb-cnospam
||    | +- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||    | `* Re: Usb-c to usb-csms
||    |  +* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||    |  |+* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||    |  ||`- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||    |  |+- Re: Usb-c to usb-cHank Rogers
||    |  |`* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAlan
||    |  | `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cnospam
||    |  |  +- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAJL
||    |  |  `- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||    |  `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cnospam
||    |   `- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||    `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
||     `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||      `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
||       `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||        `- Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
|`- Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
+- Re: Usb-c to usb-csms
+* Re: Usb-c to usb-csms
|`- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
`* Re: Usb-c to usb-cRob
 `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
  `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cRob
   `- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 4 May 2022 11:17 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> You're well ahead of me with your Pixel over my Samsung Galaxy A32-5G.
> One UI version = 4.1
> Android version = 12

The "spare" Galaxy A21s that I have got an android 11 security patch to March
202, it's using oneui 3.1, AFAIK it won't receive android 12 until July.

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 4 May 2022 11:18 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> You're still way ahead of me on your Google Play system update though.
> Yours: April 1, 2022
> Mine: January 1, 2022

No Mine is March 1 2022, not a sniff of April

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From: spa...@nospam.com (Andy Burnelli)
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Subject: Re: Usb-c to usb-c
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Wed, 4 May 2022 11:44 UTC

Andy Burns wrote:

> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>> You're still way ahead of me on your Google Play system update though.
>> Yours: April 1, 2022
>> Mine: January 1, 2022
>
> No Mine is March 1 2022, not a sniff of April

Yeah. That was a typo/thinko. I wrote this up but you beat me to it.

Typo/thinko...
You're still way ahead of me on your Google Play system update though.
Yours: March 1, 2022 & May 1, 2022
Mine: January 1, 2022

BTW, I completely agree with you on this sentiment you just expressed:
They make it almost impossible to see what "core module" updates your
device has received via the play system mechanism... you shouldn't have
to copy apk/apex files off the thing over adb and poke about inside
zip archives on a PC to check what version you have ...

Can you help me do what you can do, Andy?

I don't know how to do what you do (poke around the apk/apex files).
Can you tell me what I'd do given I'm not rooted?

How can I "poke around" those apk/apex files to tell which of the two dozen
core modules are updated that are updated independently of the carriers?

I have adb running over both USB & Wi-Fi of course.
And I have everything but the external sdcard mounted onto Windows as a
drive letter (I don't know why I can't mount the external sdcard yet).

What do I do to be able to do what you do to poke around the core modules?
Connect USB cable from Windows to the phone
C:\> adb kill-server
C:\> adb tcpip 5555
restarting in TCP mode port: 5555
C:\> adb connect 192.168.0.2:5555
connected to 192.168.0.2:5555
C:\> adb devices
List of devices attached
ABCDEFGHIJK device
192.168.0.2:5555 device
At this point you can disconnect USB cable from Windows to the phone
C:\> adb devices
List of devices attached
192.168.0.2:5555 device
At this point you can pull any file off the Android phone
C:\> adb pull /system/etc/hosts .\hosts.txt
/system/etc/hosts: 1 file pulled, 0 skipped. 0.0 MB/s (56 bytes in 0.006s)
You can find the number of packages you have with "google" in the name.
C:\> adb shell pm list packages google | find /c /v ""
61
You can bring up Android Activities on the phone
C:\> adb shell am start -n com.google.android.gms/.ads.settings.AdsSettingsActivity

But how can I "poke around" the core modules like you do?
--
On Usenet, kind-hearted purposefully helpful people carry on polite
discussions which benefit everyone who participates in the conversation.

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 4 May 2022 11:52 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> how can I "poke around" the core modules like you do?

I have been meaning to do more methodical checks, but never seem to find time,
I'll try to do so, but hints as far as I can remember ...

copy off the apexfiles (somewhere under /system)

rename them to .zip

extract contents

one of the contents is a file which is an ext3/ext file system

loopback mount that

can't remember what's inside ...

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Wed, 4 May 2022 12:08 UTC

Andy Burns wrote:

> The "spare" Galaxy A21s that I have got an android 11 security patch to March
> 202, it's using oneui 3.1, AFAIK it won't receive android 12 until July.

Be advised, for whatever reason, my move hours ago from Android 11 to
Android 12 was a disaster in terms of apps by the hundreds not working.
*Warning when updating Android 11 to Android 12*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/GngVnfddiT8>

The net is _hundreds_ of apps no longer work for whatever reason.
<https://i.postimg.cc/FHJ16nvF/update01.jpg> Android 11->12 screwed up!

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Wed, 4 May 2022 12:27 UTC

On 2022-05-04 14:08, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> The "spare" Galaxy A21s that I have got an android 11 security patch
>> to March 202, it's using oneui 3.1, AFAIK it won't receive android 12
>> until July.
>
> Be advised, for whatever reason, my move hours ago from Android 11 to
> Android 12 was a disaster in terms of apps by the hundreds not working.
> *Warning when updating Android 11 to Android 12*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/GngVnfddiT8>

But you do not login your phone to google, and you disable some
services. That may be the reason it doesn't work for you.

>
> The net is _hundreds_ of apps no longer work for whatever reason.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/FHJ16nvF/update01.jpg> Android 11->12 screwed up!

I have not detected yet any app that doesn't work for me; I have not
tried all of them, but at least they were all installed. Maybe hangouts,
I think it was deprecated, but my previous phone had it, so it has been
installed in the new one.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Wed, 4 May 2022 14:02 UTC

Andy Burns wrote:

> copy off the apexfiles (somewhere under /system)

Well, that doesn't even need adb then since a WebDAV server works better.
<https://i.postimg.cc/yNtmVWnz/update07.jpg> WebDav set to Android root
On Android, I set the DavWWWRoot :"Home Directory" to the system partition.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y0wQWVJn/update08.jpg> Windows reads Android root
And then Windows can access the Android system partition as a drive letter.
C:\> net use Z: \\192.168.0.2@8080\DavWWWRoot /USER:andy burnelli
Now the entire Android system is a Windows drive letter:
<https://i.postimg.cc/QNqfqdVX/update06.jpg> Android system on Windows
C:\> Z:
Z:\> cd .\system\apex
Z:\> system\apex>dir /b
com.google.android.permission_compressed.apex
com.google.android.scheduling_compressed.apex
com.samsung.android.ipm.apex
com.google.android.conscrypt_compressed.apex
com.google.android.art_compressed.apex
com.android.i18n.apex
com.google.android.media_compressed.apex
com.google.android.extservices_compressed.apex
com.google.android.adbd_trimmed_compressed.apex
com.google.android.tzdata3.apex
com.samsung.android.shell.apex
com.google.mainline.primary.libs.apex
com.android.vndk.current.apex
com.google.android.tethering_compressed.apex
com.google.android.ipsec_compressed.apex
com.android.runtime.apex
com.google.android.resolv_compressed.apex
com.google.android.cellbroadcast_compressed.apex
com.android.wifi.capex
com.google.android.neuralnetworks_compressed.apex
com.google.android.mediaprovider_compressed.apex
com.google.android.os.statsd_compressed.apex
com.google.android.sdkext_compressed.apex
com.android.apex.cts.shim.apex
com.google.android.media.swcodec_compressed.apex
com.android.appsearch.apex

> rename them to .zip
> extract contents

No need to do this since the Windows "tar" command extracts apex fine.
C:\> tar -xf com.android.runtime.apex
C:\> dir
01/01/2009 01:00 AM 1,336 AndroidManifest.xml
01/01/2009 01:00 AM 2,011 apex_build_info.pb
01/01/2009 01:00 AM 49 apex_manifest.pb
01/01/2009 01:00 AM 8,810,496 apex_payload.img
01/01/2009 01:00 AM 1,032 apex_pubkey
05/04/2022 02:45 PM <DIR> assets
12/31/2008 04:00 PM 8,886,294 com.android.runtime.apex
05/04/2022 02:45 PM <DIR> META-INF
01/01/2009 01:00 AM 40 resources.arsc

> one of the contents is a file which is an ext3/ext file system
>
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>
> can't remember what's inside ...

This is where I need your help...

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Wed, 4 May 2022 14:25 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> Be advised, for whatever reason, my move hours ago from Android 11 to
>> Android 12 was a disaster in terms of apps by the hundreds not working.
>> *Warning when updating Android 11 to Android 12*
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/GngVnfddiT8>
>
> But you do not login your phone to google, and you disable some
> services. That may be the reason it doesn't work for you.

Thanks for trying to help.

Given I've moved Android from one version to another for many years, and
given I've never had this problem, I don't think it's that (but it could be
that Nova launcher was what screwed it up... dunno yet...).

Plus, _all_ my apps were gotten using the Aurora Store as none used the
Google Play Store app so it's not obvious (yet) why hundreds of app
shortcut icons lost their underlying apps in the move from Android 11 to
Android 12.

That's why I asked if others saw what I saw.

I just switched launchers to the default and noticed it put a single icon
on a single homescreen page (for scores of pages!) and then the last five
pages were filled from corner to corner with app icons - all of which were
NOT gray like they are in Nova.

So it "might" be Nova 6.2.18 that's all messed up in Android 12. Dunno yet.
So I updated Nova to Nova 7 using Aurora Store (same as Google Play Store).

Nope. It wasn't that.

>> The net is _hundreds_ of apps no longer work for whatever reason.
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/FHJ16nvF/update01.jpg> Android 11->12 screwed up!
>
> I have not detected yet any app that doesn't work for me; I have not
> tried all of them, but at least they were all installed. Maybe hangouts,
> I think it was deprecated, but my previous phone had it, so it has been
> installed in the new one.

I think the app is there but the icon isn't pointing to it anymore.
For example, I have a "DevCheck" grayed out icon now.
When I press "DevCheck" it says:
This app is not installed
The app for this icon isn't installed. You
can remove it, or search for the app and
install it manually.
[REMOVE] [SEARCH]

When I press [Search] it pops me instantly into the exactly correct page
for that specific app in Aurora (which is interesting as I would have
expected it to pop me into Google Play Store, which wouldn't have worked).

Then it has an [Install] button (as if it was never installed), and then an
"Open" button after that, and then it is installed "again".

When I go back to the icon on my homescreen, _now_ it's fine for that _one_
app (which I re-installed from Aurora). Hmmmmmmmm......

I suspect something fishy is going on in Android 12... but what.

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 by: Bob Martin - Thu, 5 May 2022 06:34 UTC

On 4 May 2022 at 07:46:45, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> You get updates to the apps, but not system updates.
>>
>> You get _plenty_ of system updates
>> on Android after Android 10.
>>
>> In fact you get updates to almost the entire system (25 core modules!).
>> Those _system_ updates are in _addition_ to the key app updates.
>> And they're in addition to _Android Security_ updates. And they're in addition
>> to _Android Version_ updates.
>
> Did anyone receive the April Play System Update yet? I'm still stuck on the
> March version. On my Pixel5a it has already received the May Security Update.

My Pixel 3 received it a few days ago.

> But they still make it almost impossible to see what "core module" updates your
> device has received via the play system mechanism... you shouldn't have to copy
> apk/apex files off the thing over adb and poke about inside zip archives on a PC
> to check what version you have ...
> .

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Thu, 5 May 2022 08:41 UTC

On 2022-05-04 16:25, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>>> Be advised, for whatever reason, my move hours ago from Android 11 to
>>> Android 12 was a disaster in terms of apps by the hundreds not working.
>>> *Warning when updating Android 11 to Android 12*
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/GngVnfddiT8>
>>
>> But you do not login your phone to google, and you disable some
>> services. That may be the reason it doesn't work for you.
>
> Thanks for trying to help.
>
> Given I've moved Android from one version to another for many years, and
> given I've never had this problem, I don't think it's that (but it could be
> that Nova launcher was what screwed it up... dunno yet...).
>
> Plus, _all_ my apps were gotten using the Aurora Store as none used the
> Google Play Store app so it's not obvious (yet) why hundreds of app
> shortcut icons lost their underlying apps in the move from Android 11 to
> Android 12.

Well, my phone used Google Play to install the same applications on the
new phone. The apps were not copied from the old phone, but from the
official Google service.

>
> That's why I asked if others saw what I saw.
>
> I just switched launchers to the default and noticed it put a single icon
> on a single homescreen page (for scores of pages!) and then the last five
> pages were filled from corner to corner with app icons - all of which were
> NOT gray like they are in Nova.
>
> So it "might" be Nova 6.2.18 that's all messed up in Android 12. Dunno yet.
> So I updated Nova to Nova 7 using Aurora Store (same as Google Play Store).
>
> Nope. It wasn't that.
>
>>> The net is _hundreds_ of apps no longer work for whatever reason.
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/FHJ16nvF/update01.jpg> Android 11->12 screwed up!
>>
>> I have not detected yet any app that doesn't work for me; I have not
>> tried all of them, but at least they were all installed. Maybe
>> hangouts, I think it was deprecated, but my previous phone had it, so
>> it has been installed in the new one.
>
> I think the app is there but the icon isn't pointing to it anymore. For
> example, I have a "DevCheck" grayed out icon now.
> When I press "DevCheck" it says: This app is not installed
> The app for this icon isn't installed. You can remove it, or search for
> the app and
> install it manually. [REMOVE]      [SEARCH]

I don't have greyed icons, but maybe I don't have that feature. I expect
that apps that are not available on 12 would simply not be installed,
but I would expect to have been told.

>
> When I press [Search] it pops me instantly into the exactly correct page
> for that specific app in Aurora (which is interesting as I would have
> expected it to pop me into Google Play Store, which wouldn't have worked).
>
> Then it has an [Install] button (as if it was never installed), and then an
> "Open" button after that, and then it is installed "again".
>
> When I go back to the icon on my homescreen, _now_ it's fine for that _one_
> app (which I re-installed from Aurora). Hmmmmmmmm......
>
> I suspect something fishy is going on in Android 12... but what.
>
>

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 5 May 2022 09:53 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> I was surprised at just how many people actually use the FM radio. I've
>> used it on occasion but lately I've seen others using it and not buying
>> phones that lack it.
>
> It is a commodity.

I agree with Carlos that no phone is going to differentiate itself on
having a "better FM radio". The only differentiation possible is NOT having
it, which is just a worse phone.

Given most phones have the FM radio, and given there is no substitute
(despite the protestations from the iKooks to the contrary), any phone
without this basic functionality is simply a less functional phone.

> Say I'm driving listening to something, so when I enter the supermarket
> I may want to continue listening to it. Not something I do every day,
> far from it, but occasionally. It is the only place I use it, elsewhere
> I prefer a real radio with proper speakers.

It's industry standard basic functionality that is useful when you need it.

> Given the choice of having it or not, I prefer a phone with it, if the
> rest is acceptable.

Everyone does.

Yes. I know, the iKooks claim nobody wants basic functionality.

> Other people take a walk while listening to the radio. Yes, there is
> internet radio, but not everybody has unlimited internet plans.

As everyone but the iKooks is aware, Internet radio is not the same thing
as FM radio, as one works when the other doesn't. Having both is basic
functionality, just like having two axles on a car is basic functionality.

> For instance, when using internet radio with "radioonline", I can only
> select the central station of the network I want, not the local one of
> my city. I can use the app provided by that network to select any city,
> but it is full of adware, bloated. A pain to use. And requires registration.

Internet radio is not the same thing as FM radio, as you are aware.
You don't need to justify it to the iKooks.

It's _only_ the iKooks who claim that nobody wants basic functionality.

And it's only iKooks who claim that Internet radio is either equivalent to
FM radio or better, because it's neither in all cases.
--
Those who don't try to bullshit me find me quite friendly & helpful.

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nospam wrote:

>> I was surprised at just how many people actually use the FM radio. I've
>> used it on occasion but lately I've seen others using it and not buying
>> phones that lack it.
>
> bullshit, nor can you tell if someone is using it without asking them.
>
> industry stats show that it's rarely used and not a factor in purchase
> decisions.

Where do you get your "industry stats" from, nospam? Marvel Comics?

The fact is _most_ phones have the industry standard FM radio
functionality.

It's only one brand of phone that habitually removes basic functionality so
that you have to figure out another way to buy it back (usually from them).

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 5 May 2022 09:53 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> Plus, _all_ my apps were gotten using the Aurora Store as none used the
>> Google Play Store app so it's not obvious (yet) why hundreds of app
>> shortcut icons lost their underlying apps in the move from Android 11 to
>> Android 12.
>
> Well, my phone used Google Play to install the same applications on the
> new phone. The apps were not copied from the old phone, but from the
> official Google service.

This phone isn't a new phone - it's the same phone that was just upgraded
from Android 11 to Android 12, and then, WHAM! Hundreds of apps
disappeared.

This has never happened before. Dunno why. Could be the APK to APEX thing,
or it could be something else altogether. Dunno yet.

>> I think the app is there but the icon isn't pointing to it anymore. For
>> example, I have a "DevCheck" grayed out icon now.
>> When I press "DevCheck" it says: This app is not installed
>> The app for this icon isn't installed. You can remove it, or search for
>> the app and
>> install it manually. [REMOVE]����� [SEARCH]
>
> I don't have greyed icons, but maybe I don't have that feature. I expect
> that apps that are not available on 12 would simply not be installed,
> but I would expect to have been told.

The apps still exist on the Google Play Store as they will re-install
easily.

I suspect there's something _different_ in Android 12 that was _never_ in
any previous Android release that did it - but I don't know what yet.

Anyway, here is documentation but I'm still trying to figure out what's
_different_ about Android 12 that would cause _hundreds_ of apps to be
"uninstalled" (which I find hard to believe that's what happened).
<https://i.postimg.cc/FHJ16nvF/update01.jpg> Android 11->12 screwed up!
<https://i.postimg.cc/BZD7B2tr/update02.jpg> 22.12.15 (150400-439420056)
<https://i.postimg.cc/cJK9rbjn/update03.jpg> Reload all software :(
<https://i.postimg.cc/yNwf9T4r/update04.jpg> Google Play Services update
<https://i.postimg.cc/mkSVvfc0/update05.jpg> 22.12.15 (190400-439420056)
<https://i.postimg.cc/QNqfqdVX/update06.jpg> Android system on Windows
<https://i.postimg.cc/yNtmVWnz/update07.jpg> WebDav set to Android root
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y0wQWVJn/update08.jpg> Windows reads Android root
<https://i.postimg.cc/DzQFrfw3/update09.jpg> The default homescreen
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xqqb6wcn/update10.jpg> The Nova homescreen
<https://i.postimg.cc/MHNhkgpY/update11.jpg> App is not installed
<https://i.postimg.cc/nc9yKV3S/update12.jpg> App can be installed
<https://i.postimg.cc/0QN3z96f/update13.jpg> Only then does it work
<https://i.postimg.cc/L4tFb7ND/update14.jpg> The apps are gone!
<https://i.postimg.cc/15m2YzgR/update15.jpg> Where did they go?

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Thu, 5 May 2022 10:45 UTC

On 2022-05-05 11:53, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>>> I was surprised at just how many people actually use the FM radio.
>>> I've used it on occasion but lately I've seen others using it and not
>>> buying phones that lack it.
>>
>> It is a commodity.
>
> I agree with Carlos that no phone is going to differentiate itself on
> having a "better FM radio". The only differentiation possible is NOT
> having it, which is just a worse phone.
>
> Given most phones have the FM radio, and given there is no substitute
> (despite the protestations from the iKooks to the contrary), any phone
> without this basic functionality is simply a less functional phone.
>> Say I'm driving listening to something, so when I enter the
>> supermarket I may want to continue listening to it. Not something I do
>> every day, far from it, but occasionally. It is the only place I use
>> it, elsewhere I prefer a real radio with proper speakers.
>
> It's industry standard basic functionality that is useful when you need it.
>
>> Given the choice of having it or not, I prefer a phone with it, if the
>> rest is acceptable.
>
> Everyone does.
>
> Yes. I know, the iKooks claim nobody wants basic functionality.

I don't have a war with Apple or their fans. I don't care what they have
or do. I don't have any apple product, never did, probably never will.
But I don't like anybody taking any occasion to do war on them.

This group is only about Android.

>
>> Other people take a walk while listening to the radio. Yes, there is
>> internet radio, but not everybody has unlimited internet plans.
>
> As everyone but the iKooks is aware, Internet radio is not the same
> thing as FM radio, as one works when the other doesn't. Having both is
> basic functionality, just like having two axles on a car is basic
> functionality.
>
>> For instance, when using internet radio with "radioonline", I can only
>> select the central station of the network I want, not the local one of
>> my city. I can use the app provided by that network to select any
>> city, but it is full of adware, bloated. A pain to use. And requires
>> registration.
>
> Internet radio is not the same thing as FM radio, as you are aware.
> You don't need to justify it to the iKooks.
>
> It's _only_ the iKooks who claim that nobody wants basic functionality.
>
> And it's only iKooks who claim that Internet radio is either equivalent
> to FM radio or better, because it's neither in all cases.

--
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 by: Carlos E.R. - Thu, 5 May 2022 10:44 UTC

On 2022-05-05 11:53, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>>> Plus, _all_ my apps were gotten using the Aurora Store as none used the
>>> Google Play Store app so it's not obvious (yet) why hundreds of app
>>> shortcut icons lost their underlying apps in the move from Android 11 to
>>> Android 12.
>>
>> Well, my phone used Google Play to install the same applications on
>> the new phone. The apps were not copied from the old phone, but from
>> the official Google service.
>
> This phone isn't a new phone - it's the same phone that was just upgraded
> from Android 11 to Android 12, and then, WHAM! Hundreds of apps
> disappeared.
>
> This has never happened before. Dunno why. Could be the APK to APEX thing,
> or it could be something else altogether. Dunno yet.
>>> I think the app is there but the icon isn't pointing to it anymore.
>>> For example, I have a "DevCheck" grayed out icon now.
>>> When I press "DevCheck" it says: This app is not installed
>>> The app for this icon isn't installed. You can remove it, or search
>>> for the app and
>>> install it manually. [REMOVE]����� [SEARCH]
>>
>> I don't have greyed icons, but maybe I don't have that feature. I
>> expect that apps that are not available on 12 would simply not be
>> installed, but I would expect to have been told.
>
> The apps still exist on the Google Play Store as they will re-install
> easily.
> I suspect there's something _different_ in Android 12 that was _never_ in
> any previous Android release that did it - but I don't know what yet.

I rather suspect that there is something faulty with the upgrade
procedure or application you used (probably from your mobile brand). It
can be that the "desktop management" tool you use is faulty. Not that
Android 12 is not compatible with the apps.

>
> Anyway, here is documentation but I'm still trying to figure out what's
> _different_ about Android 12 that would cause _hundreds_ of apps to be
> "uninstalled" (which I find hard to believe that's what happened).
> <https://i.postimg.cc/FHJ16nvF/update01.jpg> Android 11->12 screwed up!
> <https://i.postimg.cc/BZD7B2tr/update02.jpg> 22.12.15 (150400-439420056)
> <https://i.postimg.cc/cJK9rbjn/update03.jpg> Reload all software :(
> <https://i.postimg.cc/yNwf9T4r/update04.jpg> Google Play Services update
> <https://i.postimg.cc/mkSVvfc0/update05.jpg> 22.12.15 (190400-439420056)
> <https://i.postimg.cc/QNqfqdVX/update06.jpg> Android system on Windows
> <https://i.postimg.cc/yNtmVWnz/update07.jpg> WebDav set to Android root
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Y0wQWVJn/update08.jpg> Windows reads Android root
> <https://i.postimg.cc/DzQFrfw3/update09.jpg> The default homescreen
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Xqqb6wcn/update10.jpg> The Nova homescreen
> <https://i.postimg.cc/MHNhkgpY/update11.jpg> App is not installed
> <https://i.postimg.cc/nc9yKV3S/update12.jpg> App can be installed
> <https://i.postimg.cc/0QN3z96f/update13.jpg> Only then does it work
> <https://i.postimg.cc/L4tFb7ND/update14.jpg> The apps are gone!
> <https://i.postimg.cc/15m2YzgR/update15.jpg> Where did they go?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 5 May 2022 13:25 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> Yes. I know, the iKooks claim nobody wants basic functionality.
>
> I don't have a war with Apple or their fans. I don't care what they have
> or do. I don't have any apple product, never did, probably never will.
> But I don't like anybody taking any occasion to do war on them.

I have both Android and iOS and I do think that there are times when
discussing the differences are good for both Android & iOS users.

Most of the time what Android does is far better but sometimes what iOS
does isn't a bad idea for Android to copy (as it sometimes does).

> This group is only about Android.

Well, that's both true and not true, given that iKooks often post here. :)

Bear in mind I had perceived that you seemed to be have been needlessly
"defending" FM radio, which is where I took my cues from. I was telling you
that you didn't ever need to defend the use of FM radio to Android owners.

Nobody would ever need to defend basic functionality such as the Android
ubiquitous FM radio in this Android group if it were devoid of the iKooks.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 5 May 2022 13:43 UTC

Rob wrote:

> But as it is now, swapping a phone because of a defect or upgrade is
> much more work than would be desirable (and than is the case with
> the equipment of the competitor)

While we can discuss what is "desirable", all of us have plenty of
experience swapping out a computer (such as Windows or Linux) and swapping
out routers, and swapping out phones, etc., where there's always the
question of whether you "really" want an exact clone or not.

I, for one, do not normally want an exact clone on Windows, for example,
because there's too much rot that sets in over time; however I do want to
clone my user interface (which I do) where the only time the user
interaction needs to change is when the operating system provides something
better (which it rarely does). Hence Windows XP menus literally copy over
to Windows 10 and _still_ work perfectly on all my computer systems.
<https://i.postimg.cc/qvJDMQcq/taskbarmenu02.jpg> menus are folders

You simply need to know what you're doing to get this kind of "clone".

It's the same concept with Android, where you can save your contacts to a
file and you can save your photos to certain folders and you can save your
downloaded maps into others, and you can even save your rather
well-organized desktop folder and application shortcuts to a file with some
launchers (Nova does it, for example) to clone the old phone's homescreen.

The only thing that I "think" is kind of hard to do automagically is
re-install all your old apps onto a new phone. Note that you can re-install
them and have their app shortcut icons be exactly the same (see Nova
launcher example above); but I don't know of anything that re-installs your
apps automagically for you.

What Nova does is _second_ best though, which is Nova will give you the
blank icon and when you tap it, Nova (like Windows) will ask you to find
it, where Nova will open up your Google Play Store client at the app
already sitting there waiting for you to just tap the "install" button.
<https://i.postimg.cc/MHNhkgpY/update11.jpg> App is not installed
<https://i.postimg.cc/L4tFb7ND/update14.jpg> The apps are gone!
<https://i.postimg.cc/15m2YzgR/update15.jpg> Where did they go?

Bear in mind you can also mount your Android onto a PC and slide over all
the installers onto Android and then you can install them one by one, and
they'll go automagically into the old homescreen shortcut positions too.
<https://i.postimg.cc/cJK9rbjn/update03.jpg> APKs load from Windows

The only thing that I don't know if it's ever done is _installing_ those
apps automatically, go clone a phone.

Does _any_ backup/restore solution which goes from one phone to another
phone ever actually install all the apps onto the new phone that were on
the old phone?

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 5 May 2022 14:24 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> I suspect there's something _different_ in Android 12 that was _never_ in
>> any previous Android release that did it - but I don't know what yet.
>
> I rather suspect that there is something faulty with the upgrade
> procedure or application you used (probably from your mobile brand).

I don't know yet, but I'm glad it happened as I'm learning a lot by
debugging why _hundreds_ of apps don't seem to have remained on my phone
when I simply migrated from Android 11 to Android 12.

I find it hard to believe hundreds of apps were _uninstalled_ so they're
probably still there, much like a Windows app would still be there if you
moved it such that the Windows registry could no longer find it.

> It
> can be that the "desktop management" tool you use is faulty.

I find it more plausible that the "indexing" operating that Android does
when it is first run is where the problem lies - which means it's more
likely due to Google (and/or Samsung) than to the launcher I used.

In fact, when I defaulted to the original launcher, the apps still were not
there, so I don't think it has anything to do with the launcher, per se. In
fact, I documented there were 119 homescreen pages, most of which had only
a single icon on them, but the first page had more and the last few pages
were filled to the brim.
<https://i.postimg.cc/mgQkjB77/update16.jpg> 119 homescreen pages!

> Not that
> Android 12 is not compatible with the apps.

I completely agree with you now that I've looked deeper at the situaton.

For example, one app that's grayed out is Zoom, which I higly doubt is
suddenly incompatible with Android 12. While I can't believe Android
actually _deleted_ the app, it won't show up in any tool that I try.
<https://i.postimg.cc/brtpv9T1/update17.jpg> Even Zoom disappeared!

I suspect Android indexing went bad; but I don't know _anything_ about
Android indexing; so that's just one of the options which has to be
proved or disproved.

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On 5/4/22 4:11 AM, nospam wrote:
>In article <t4rn3e$of1$1@dont-email.me>, sms
><scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I was surprised at just how many people actually use the FM radio. I've
>> used it on occasion but lately I've seen others using it and not buying
>> phones that lack it.
>
>bullshit, nor can you tell if someone is using it without asking them.

I think you can probably tell by looking who's NOT using a phone's FM radio
when they're out and about. They're the ones NOT wearing wired earphones.
In my area that's everybody Ive seen in several weeks now...

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In article <t50qbr$tfs$1@gioia.aioe.org>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

> >> I was surprised at just how many people actually use the FM radio. I've
> >> used it on occasion but lately I've seen others using it and not buying
> >> phones that lack it.
> >
> >bullshit, nor can you tell if someone is using it without asking them.
>
> I think you can probably tell by looking who's NOT using a phone's FM radio
> when they're out and about. They're the ones NOT wearing wired earphones.
> In my area that's everybody Ive seen in several weeks now...

yep, and that also shows how many do not use a headphone jack.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:01 UTC

AJL wrote:

>>> I was surprised at just how many people actually use the FM radio. I've
>>> used it on occasion but lately I've seen others using it and not buying
>>> phones that lack it.
>>
>>bullshit, nor can you tell if someone is using it without asking them.
>
> I think you can probably tell by looking who's NOT using a phone's FM radio
> when they're out and about. They're the ones NOT wearing wired earphones.
> In my area that's everybody Ive seen in several weeks now...

I think Steve's point may have been that nospam fabricates his usage polls.
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 by: sms - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:06 UTC

On 5/5/2022 8:26 AM, AJL wrote:
> On 5/4/22 4:11 AM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <t4rn3e$of1$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I was surprised at just how many people actually use the FM radio.
>>> I've used it on occasion but lately I've seen others using it and not
>>> buying phones that lack it.
>>
>> bullshit, nor can you tell if someone is using it without asking them.
>
> I think you can probably tell by looking who's NOT using a phone's FM radio
> when they're out and about. They're the ones NOT wearing wired earphones.
> In my area that's everybody Ive seen in several weeks now...

I haven't been on BART or Caltrain since the pandemic, but in 2019 and
early 2020, wired earphones were definitely more common than wireless.
2+ years later this may have changed.

Of course very few of the people wearing wired headphones are using an
FM radio since more than half were almost certainly on iPhones.

FM radio use on phones is certainly not widespread, but it's also not as
rare as some people apparently believe.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:14 UTC

sms wrote:

> Of course very few of the people wearing wired headphones are using an
> FM radio since more than half were almost certainly on iPhones.

In the USA, roughly about half the smartphone owners are on each platform.
If they're listening to a recent iPhone, it won't be using standard wires.

Apple dropped that basic functionality so that you have to find some other
way to get what you had before Apple removed functionality from the iPhone.

> FM radio use on phones is certainly not widespread, but it's also not as
> rare as some people apparently believe.

The fact that FM radio is supplied with _most_ phones is an important fact.

What I observe about nospam is what everyone observes about what he does.
1. He _hates_ that Apple removed the basic wired-headphone functionality
2. So he makes up _excuses_ for why his beloved iPhone lacks functionality
3. One of those excuses is that he _fabricates_ his "opinion polls"

Just watch.
We who observe predict every move nospam makes, maybe even better than he.
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:19 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> Apple dropped that basic functionality so that you have to find some other
> way to get what you had before Apple removed functionality from the iPhone.

Ooops. Before iKooks jump on that (because that's what they do), it's
likely Apple iPhones _never_ had the basic functionality of the FM radio.

However, the observation remains that the iKooks fabricate their "exit
polls" particularly in their doomed defense of the lack of iPhone
functionality.

The fact remains that _most_ phones have FM radio functionality.
The observation is that the iKooks _hate_ that fact.

Why?
Ask them why.
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:24 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> The fact remains that _most_ phones have FM radio functionality.
> The observation is that the iKooks _hate_ that fact.

BTW, the observation is the iKooks _hate_ a lot of facts about phones.
It's not just FM radio functionality that iKooks hate that it exists.

For example, iKooks _hate_ the fact most new phones have huge batteries.
And the iKooks _hate_ the fact most phones come with chargers in the box.

Why do iKooks _hate_ those facts?
Ask them why.

Likewise, iKooks _hate_ the fact most phones have the 3.5mm jack.
And iKooks _hate_ the fact most phones have sdcard slots too.

The iKooks _hate_ the fact most phones can change their homescreen app.
The iKooks _hate_ the fact most apps re-install on _any_ phone.

The list goes on and on and on about functionality iKooks hate existing.

Why?
Ask them why.
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