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* forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
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||`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burnelli
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||  `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burnelli
|`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burnelli
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?VanguardLH
|`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burnelli
| `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Chris Green
|+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Roger Mills
||`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Chris Green
|`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Mayayana
|+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Joerg Lorenz
||+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Chris Green
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||`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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|| `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
||  +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
||  +* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
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||  | `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
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||  |  `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
||  |   `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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||  `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
|+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
||`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Joerg Lorenz
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||`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
|`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Roger Mills
|+- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burnelli
|`- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
|`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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| |+* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
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| || `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  +* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
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| ||  | | | `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
| ||  | | |  `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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| ||  | | |   `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
| ||  | | |    +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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| ||  | | |     `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?AJL
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| ||  | | |`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  | | | `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burns
| ||  | | `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Andy Burns
| ||  | |  `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| ||  | |   `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
| ||  | `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| ||  |  +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| ||  |  `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  |   +* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
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| ||  |   |`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
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| ||  |    `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| ||  |     `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?VanguardLH
| ||  `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| |`* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| | `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| |  +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| |  +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?The Real Bev
| |  `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
| |   `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| |    +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| |    `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
| |     `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?sms
| |      +- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?nospam
| |      `- Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Joerg Lorenz
| `* Re: forwarding text messages to an email address?Frank Slootweg
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 by: nospam - Thu, 5 May 2022 17:05 UTC

In article <t50tfs$kvq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> It's become very rare.

it has not.

> BofA had some cards with it but dropped the
> feature.

that's because the back end that they were using (orbiscom) was based
on flash, which is dead.

citibank used the same back end, however, they now have a non-flash
implementation, available for most of their cards (not just
doublecash).

> AFAIK, Citibank Doublecash Mastercard is the only no-annual fee
> card that still has the capability for the cardholder to create and
> manage individual virtual cards.

there are numerous other cards that offer it as well as third party
services.

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 by: sms - Thu, 5 May 2022 17:06 UTC

On 4/26/2022 9:59 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

> If I could buy a chunk of data that was good forever I might buy that

You can do that if you have a phone that supports an eSIM in addition to
the physical SIM that you're currently using.

It also helps if it's an Android phone where manual band selection is
possible (LG and Samsung for sure, there could be others, but not
iPhones, and apparently not Pixel phones).

Silent.Link <https://silent.link/rates> offers non-expiring data
0.57¢/MB ($5.70/GB) if it connects to AT&T's network but 1.25¢/MB
($12.50/GB) if it connects to T-Mobile's network. See 171a on page 73 of
the document <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features> for more details.

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 by: nospam - Thu, 5 May 2022 17:15 UTC

In article <t5106g$ba5$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > If I could buy a chunk of data that was good forever I might buy that
>
> You can do that if you have a phone that supports an eSIM in addition to
> the physical SIM that you're currently using.

it also can be done with a physical sim.

> It also helps if it's an Android phone where manual band selection is
> possible

not only is that not needed but there's no way to know which bands to
select because they're different in different locations.

> Silent.Link <https://silent.link/rates> offers non-expiring data

another service you've never used. they also want people to pay with
bitcoin, which raises all sorts of suspicions, and there's a 2.2 gig
limit.

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 by: The Real Bev - Fri, 6 May 2022 03:53 UTC

On 05/05/2022 09:37 AM, sms wrote:
> On 4/26/2022 10:12 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I'm home most of the time. We did all our serious traveling when the
>> kids were young; current travel is rare. $71/month for AT&T Gigabit
>> service (essential, but if they raise the price we can fall back to
>> slower service), $5/month for Ooma VOIP, and $20/year (2 phones) for
>> cell service. Hangouts wifi at hotspots has been useful. Any
>> phone-chatter we do at home, not outside.
>>
>> Frugal people get to retire earlier :-)
>
> You need to learn to be more frugal.
>
> Me
> --
> Google Voice VOIP: $1.50/month (for E911 service). Google Voice on the
> Polycom Obi is much better than Ooma basic.

Possibly, but I'm getting increasingly less likely to trust google.
This recent end-of-May security crap has cost me something. Apparently
hangouts is going to disappear in favor of 'chat', which is a lot harder
to read and uglier on an actual computer monitor.

Is it normal to be able to only MAKE calls with google voice? If I
receive one I have to forward it to my paid cell number, which kind of
obviates the purpose of having it.

> Comcast 600 Mb/s broadband: $35/month (includes one line of Xfinity
> mobile with 1GB data/month plus unlimited voice and SMS, but I don't use
> it, I had to take it to get the $35/month price for 600 Mb/s).

Only AT&T and Charter in my area. Both roughly the same price, and more
than they charge residents of areas with more competition. No cheap
mobile service.

> Two lines of Verizon's prepaid Total Wireless, unlimited voice and SMS,
> 100GB shared among four lines. $49 per month (adult children are on the
> four line plan but pay for their service)
> ---------
> $85.50 total
>
> You're at $96 per month with no mobile data and without all the features
> offered by Google Voice using an Obi SIP adapter. Don't worry, you can
> learn to adopt a more frugal lifestyle!

$72+6+1.67= ~$80. How do you figure $96?

--
Cheers, Bev
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter." - Churchill

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 by: The Real Bev - Fri, 6 May 2022 04:20 UTC

On 05/05/2022 10:06 AM, sms wrote:
> On 4/26/2022 9:59 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> If I could buy a chunk of data that was good forever I might buy that
>
> You can do that if you have a phone that supports an eSIM in addition to
> the physical SIM that you're currently using.
>
> It also helps if it's an Android phone where manual band selection is
> possible (LG and Samsung for sure, there could be others, but not
> iPhones, and apparently not Pixel phones).

Thanks, but Pixel2 has no esim.

Some phones claim to accept 2 sims. Something else said that that
wasn't quite true -- the second sim slot let you choose between a second
sim or a microsd card. Feh.

> Silent.Link <https://silent.link/rates> offers non-expiring data
> 0.57¢/MB ($5.70/GB) if it connects to AT&T's network but 1.25¢/MB
> ($12.50/GB) if it connects to T-Mobile's network. See 171a on page 73 of
> the document <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features> for more details.

--
Cheers, Bev
...so few snipers, so many politicians...

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 by: VanguardLH - Fri, 6 May 2022 14:33 UTC

The Real Bev wrote:

> Apparently hangouts is going to disappear in favor of 'chat', which is
> a lot harder to read and uglier on an actual computer monitor.

Hangouts got split up. Well, reduced back to its initial functionality.
Used to be you had to install the ancilliary app "Hangouts Dialer" to
use Hangouts for more than chatting, so you could also use it for phone
calls. They're going to dump the ancilliary app, and reduce Hangouts
back to just a chat app. Why? Because Google has their Google Voice
app to use as a dialer.

> Is it normal to be able to only MAKE calls with google voice? If I
> receive one I have to forward it to my paid cell number, which kind of
> obviates the purpose of having it.

The point is you can have one phone number to dole out that calls *ALL*
your phones: home, work, cell phones. Wherever you want to get your
calls, one number gets used to reach all of them. Obviously you still
have to pay your telco, ISP, or whomever to make your home landline
usable, your employer pays for their telco for you to have an extension
at your desk, and cell phones won't work without paying a cellular
carrier. And how much did Google Voice cost you? Nothing. Google
Voice is like have a PBX: one frontend number to call all others. Plus
GV adds some nice features that you likely don't have with your current
landline, VOIP, or cellular services, like spam filtering, call
screening, and so on.

It's up to you if you want to keep publishing your home, work, cell, and
other phones, or to publish your GV number that calls all your phones.
Instead of doling out umpteen phone numbers depending on where you want
to receive calls, you dole out one number. It also makes it easier on
your callers, like family and friends. They don't have to track all
your phone numbers. They also don't have to call your cell number, get
no answer, and then try calling your home phone, get no answer, and then
try calling your work number. They call just one number.

It is entirely your choice if you want to continue publishing all your
phone numbers, or have just one. You can even pick one of them, like
your home number, to port to GV, so friends and family don't have yet
another number to track to contact you. Porting isn't free. As I
recall, cost is $20. I did that, so I didn't have to publish yet
another number to reach me.

You can have many phone numbers to reach you. Or you can have one. You
aren't paying Google anything for their service. Google isn't going to
pay or manage your landlines, VOIP services, and cell phones. That's
still up to you to pay to have those services. Google is just providing
a frontend PBX with some additional features. There are several other
similar services (one number, redirects calls to many others), but GV is
free.

Once, and if, you make GV your only published phone number, you can even
drop your telco, VOIP, or other phone services. You can use a POTS to
VOIP converter to use, for example, your home landline as a GV number.
Instead of having to pay your telco for their service, you plug your
home POTS wiring (usually just plugging an RJ-14 cable from converter to
a wall jack) into the converter. Your entire home's twisted pair wiring
goes to the converter. GV is free, and you can drop having to pay the
telco, or ISP, or whomever for your home phone service. The converter
isn't free, but a one-time cost. I use Obitalk 200. Ooma has their
own. I never investigated any others.

You can save money using GV. No cost for GV. You can drop other phone
services. However, GV is only available to USA citizens (I don't
remember if Canada is included, or not). I don't make international
calls, but GV has competitive rates. I don't pay for 911 service
(because my cell phone has it), but perhaps you can add it with
whomever's converter you use. Obitalk has 911 service at extra cost
(https://www.obitalk.com/obinet/).

Entirely up to you if you want to publish to your family, friends,
doctor, pharmacy, coworkers, employer, and everyone else your home
phone, work phone, every cell phone, and all your other phone numbers,
or just have one number. If you already have just one number, not much
point to using GV unless you want to add spam filtering, call screening,
forwarding voicemail as e-mail with transcription and a link to go
online to listen to the voicemail (or just call your GV number from any
of your included phones to listen to voicemail), have incoming calls go
to all your devices or only to some of them, record incoming calls, send
all incoming calls directly to voicemail (aka Do Not Disturb), have
different greetings based on if the caller is in your contacts or not,
and perhaps some other features that I missed here.

Oh, something else about GV. My cell carrier and home landline provider
have a maximum number to add to blacklist of blocked numbers. 20
entries can get used up quickly. I've not hit a limit with GV's blocked
number list. Plus, you can elect to mark a call as a spam call which
votes for it to get blocked if enough vote it as spam. Even if a call
is suspected as spam, a real human can still get through by answering a
4-digit number, similar to how CAPTCHAs are used at web sites. Just in
case they're on the blacklist accidentally, they can still get their
call to you. Robocallers cannot follow instructions, and human spammers
(they're getting rare) just hang up. Call screening gets rid of
spammers and wrong dialers. Spam blocking gets rid of robocalls. And,
if you are using just one number to call all your phones, that filtering
applies to all your phones. If you publish multiple phone numbers, you
magnify the number of avenues for spammers to reach you.

Even if none of your phones have SMS service (no texting), you can use
GV's web UI to send texts. I'd rather leave voicemail than send texts,
but then (as is evident in my posts) I don't stall or have difficulty in
speaking on demand to leave a message.

If you have a dozen phone numbers, and want to publish all of them, and
don't mind your cell numbers will change when you change providers, and
don't care about nuisancing your family and friends or anyone you dole
out a cell number each time your cell number(s) change, and don't have
multiple cell numbers (you only have 1 cell phone), or you have only 1
phone number for all incoming calls (you don't work or are not stationed
anywhere but at 1 number, or you use just 1 cell phone for all calls),
and don't want extra features, then GV is not for you.

As I recall, you already found one of your phone services allows
forwarding of texts as e-mails. That was for one of your services. Do
ALL of your phone services have the same option? Or do just 1 or a
couple have that option, but not all of them? Or does every phone
number where you can be reached (that has SMS service) have text
forwarding to e-mail? If only some of your phone services have text to
e-mail, you'll have to remember which ones to dole out to anyone that
might text you. Or, with GV, you'd have just one number to dole out to
everyone.

Note: GV has made a recent change. They will no longer forward texts.
If someone sends a text to your GV number, it will not get forwarded to
your other numbers you added to your GV account. Well, do any of your
current telco services offer text forwarding to other numbers? GV
stopped doing that due to potential abuse. Actually Google claims it is
the mobile carriers that refuse to send texts to Google; see:

https://www.engadget.com/one-of-google-voices-best-features-is-going-away-092145507.html
"The Google Voice app now tells users that "message forwarding to linked
numbers will stop soon because mobile carriers have started to block
those messages," according to Android Police."

However, if you enable the option in GV to forward texts to e-mail,
you'll still get notification about a new text message. Because I
already had text-to-email forwarding enabled, so I would get notified no
matter which computer I was using (desktop, smartphone), forwarding of
texts to my other phones resulted in repeated notifications on the same
text. I'd get nuisanced with multiple notices for one text. I
preferred getting just the one e-mail notification. If you use the GV
app, it notifies you that a text was left in your GV account, and you
use the GV app to see the text (it is also an SMS client). So, although
I eliminated some duplication of notices of a new text, I still get the
e-mail and GV app notices. I have desktops and other devices where I
cannot run the GV app, so I still want the e-mail notices.

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 11 May 2022 07:46 UTC

The Real Bev wrote:

> If I could buy a chunk of data that was good forever I might buy that

Over here the (few) providers that offered that type of deal have stopped
offering them, and converted them to time-expiring chunks, or PAYG.

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 11 May 2022 13:06 UTC

The Real Bev wrote:

> Pixel2 has no esim

I think it can use eSIM, but only for google Fi?

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 by: sms - Wed, 11 May 2022 16:05 UTC

On 5/11/2022 12:46 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> If I could buy a chunk of data that was good forever I might buy that
>
> Over here the (few) providers that offered that type of deal have
> stopped offering them, and converted them to time-expiring chunks, or PAYG.

These are still available in the U.S. (as well as the rest of the world)
but the companies offering this with physical SIMs have stopped offering
those products, they are only available with an eSIM, and are data-only.

The cost per MB is not cheap, but not unreasonable either. On
<https://silent.link> it's 0.57¢/MB ($5.7/GB) in the U.S. if you're
connecting to the AT&T network. On some Android devices you can manually
select bands so you could avoid your device connection to T-Mobile since
the provider charges 1.25¢/MB ($12.50/GB) on T-Mobile.

Even if your phone doesn't support eSIM you can buy an eSIM adapter at
<https://esim.me/> but if you have only one SIM slot, and your carrier
doesn't support eSIM profiles, then this is not a good solution.

When traveling, some people want service as soon as their plane touches
down, and these eSIMs can provide it, at least until you can get to a
place where you can purchase a physical SIM that is more economical.

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Wed, 11 May 2022 19:35 UTC

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 5/11/2022 12:46 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> > The Real Bev wrote:
> >
> >> If I could buy a chunk of data that was good forever I might buy that
> >
> > Over here the (few) providers that offered that type of deal have
> > stopped offering them, and converted them to time-expiring chunks, or PAYG.
>
> These are still available in the U.S. (as well as the rest of the world)
> but the companies offering this with physical SIMs have stopped offering
> those products, they are only available with an eSIM, and are data-only.
>
> The cost per MB is not cheap, but not unreasonable either. On
> <https://silent.link> it's 0.57¢/MB ($5.7/GB) in the U.S. if you're
> connecting to the AT&T network. On some Android devices you can manually
> select bands so you could avoid your device connection to T-Mobile since
> the provider charges 1.25¢/MB ($12.50/GB) on T-Mobile.

Well, 'here' (NL and probably other EU/European countries [1]), these
kind of products are still offered with physical SIMs. Strictly speaking
they're not "a chunk of data that is good forever", but rather a
(monetary) credit 'that is good forever', provided you use a little -
anywhere from 1-20 cents - every 6-months/year, which basically amounts
to the same. We (SWMBO and I) have three such providers. The cheapest is
1c/MB, which is fine for such low use.
[1] And probably some other non-US countries.

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