Hello,

Screenshots and first impression of Windows 11 Leaked:

http://www.skybuck.org/Windows11Leaked/Screenshots/

Story:
Just like I reviewed Windows 7 LongHorn a long time ago, today/tonight I took a first look at Windows 11 Leaked version, by installing it in VMWare Workstation 15. So far everything went pretty smooth, had to adjust virtual machine to use only 4 GB of RAM and only 1 core to not lag the system/toshiba laptop, was probably mostly a RAM issue, giving 5 GB only left 1 GB to the rest of system and had firefox running and this caused pagefile swapping, so fortunately windows 11 runs on 4 GB of ram and 1 core which was enough to get through the installation/setup phase and actually test windows so that is quite cool !

The hogging of the harddisk by firefox webbrowser did bog-down the installation speed, but this was kinda nice, could make screenshots of things that might have otherwise disappeared quickly ! ;)

So my main feedback for now is:

1. Make a resident option somewhere so task manager is always in detailed mode. This is my number one hate point about windows 7, I absolutely hate clicking any additional button to get that information !

2. Too much white space in display settings, pretty insane.

3. I don't like video, documents and music folder and such, these are stuffed aways in some obscure folder structure I assume and this is bad, people should make their own folders so they know where it is on the drive.
For more advanced users these icons should be able to be un-pinned and re-pinned to safe space or to get them back, especailly for power users which have many drives or virtual drives.

4. The installation program in the first few steps feels a bit old and could be better, but ok, let's not jynx it.

5. A possible tip/improvement: show all hint messages/pop-ups for all icons on the taskbar all at once, so users don't have to go over them one by one, this could be a major time saver, or at least try and display as many hint boxes as will fit on the screen.

6. Bandwidth throttles for harddisk bandwidth should be introduced per application, so that applications can be limited if they are misbehaving or so.

7. Where is the GPU chart ? Perhaps it's not yet there ? because of VMWare ok might make some sense ! ;)

8. Ethernet should probably be renamed to network or something, not everybody may understand what ethernet means, this was kinda weird/akward, perhaps make sub tabs there per connection technology

9.The letters in "all apps" are kinda stupid and take up too much vertical space !!! Also very inefficient use of column next to it, there is nothing there... use that space !

10. Resolution option 1600x900 is missing ?! Perhaps introduce custom resolution so users can set it very exact ?!?!? Width and Height ?

11. Widgets/News should work without having use an online account.

12. Search window should show most recently used apps in the last month, or last 6 months, or last year, configurable or even pin favorites !

13. Windows updates for Windows 11 should be called Windows 11 Updates and such and not Windows 10 Next.

14. Solitaire is dreadfull, completely over complicated, should be replaced by a nice elegant, clean version, simple version, so people can relax !

15. ToDo should work without an online account. Not being able to use it for simple to do list offline sucks ?!?!

16. Might as well include two buttons: one for "power down' and one for "restart", next to each other, the pop-up menu for the power down button feels weird and unnatural and unexpected, an alternative could be a large pop-up where you can choose what to do, these tiny shitty little buttons can lead to accidental wrong choices being clicked which can be quite annoying ! One may have to wait for a reboot on accidental restart to prevent file system issues ! This is a time waster ! And thus this should be prevented/avoided by making the process of shutting down windows more reliable and less error prone ! it should become larger and more robust !

17. The start up logo is too boring, perhaps spin it around like it's opening or so, or shine some light through it.

Bye for now,
Skybuck.

P.S.: I provide these screenshots for you in case you too lazy/too busy or don't have the means to beta-test/install windows 11 yourself and you don't want to watch annoying long youtube videos and just want a quick fix and thorough analysis and crystal clear screenshots of how windows 11 looks.

Also fun too look back at in the future. The first few screenshots also include VMWare but later the screenshots are full screen 1028x786 resolution shots ! =D

Enjoy ! ;) =D

And be curious ! =D

Because I'm a Windows Insider, since it was available to me I am trying it out now.
It's basically just Win10 re-arrainged a bit.

I usually cut and paste by control C , cintrol V and that works fine ...but there are plenty of people who do this from the GUI and they are not going to like that those are not avail from Explorer's context menu unless one takes one more step and selects "more options."

On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:54:41 +0000, philo@news.novabbs.com (philo) wrote:

| Because I'm a Windows Insider, since it was available to me I am trying it out now.
| It's basically just Win10 re-arrainged a bit.

And not necessarily for the better, IMO. But it's still in development. If there
are substantial feature and operational improvements by the time it's officially
released to the public, I'll consider installing 11 on my work machines. Otherwise,
they will keep 10.

Larc

On 7/5/2021 9:00 AM, Larc wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:54:41 +0000, philo@news.novabbs.com (philo) wrote:
>
> | Because I'm a Windows Insider, since it was available to me I am trying it out now.
> | It's basically just Win10 re-arrainged a bit.
>
> And not necessarily for the better, IMO. But it's still in development. If there
> are substantial feature and operational improvements by the time it's officially
> released to the public, I'll consider installing 11 on my work machines. Otherwise,
> they will keep 10.
>
> Larc
>

It seems like Windows 11 is just a subtle reminder by MS to remind
everyone that they exist and are important. Otherwise, we might take
them for granted... They already tried "Windows 10 forever", and that
apparently didn't work for them.

Bill wrote:
> On 7/5/2021 9:00 AM, Larc wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:54:41 +0000, philo@news.novabbs.com (philo) wrote:
>>
>> | Because I'm a Windows Insider, since it was available to me I am
>> trying it out now.
>> | It's basically just Win10 re-arrainged a bit.
>>
>> And not necessarily for the better, IMO. But it's still in
>> development. If there
>> are substantial feature and operational improvements by the time it's
>> officially
>> released to the public, I'll consider installing 11 on my work
>> machines. Otherwise,
>> they will keep 10.
>>
>> Larc
>>
>
>
> It seems like Windows 11 is just a subtle reminder by MS to remind
> everyone that they exist and are important. Otherwise, we might take
> them for granted... They already tried "Windows 10 forever", and that
> apparently didn't work for them.

It's financial reality.

You want the shareholders to think the
business unit is a "responsible" one.

The development timetables haven't changed at
Microsoft, no matter what the surface policy might
look like. OSes might take five years to design,
depending on how ambitious you want to be.

Windows 10X was finished enough to release a simulator.

windows 11 on the other hand, is finished. The business unit
release process will be guiding it through the gates.

It's hit the Insider, which means "dogfooding finished, test
by real users". Then, a parallel version which is separate
from the Insider one, will be rolling along and gathering moss.

The security features will be modular. The Insider may or may not
have them. We're not exactly smothered in tools that identify
how the OS works (the new Task Manager may not be in a
position to be entirely honest, as the OS is virtualized).
Maybe the HyperV tools have something, but
(I haven't looked in there to see. I've never seen
a bit of chatter about HyperV tools.)

Then, the real features will be in the release version, separate
from the Insider version.

It's hard to say, why Insider test works this way, and all
I can do, is report my observations, that the organization
is not a linear one. You might find some speeds and behaviors
quite different when the release one is tried, compared to
your Insider. Or even, you might find that, by default,
you're denied Windows 11 (TPM 2.0) and have to be content
sitting around, hacking installer DVDs and so on.

Only time will tell.

The organization doesn't leave me with a warm feeling.
No apparent management oversight. Maybe decisions are made
at the highest level (Win10X gunned down, right after
an attempt is made to do public relations via the simulator.)

It speaks of a gutted middle management, there's still
a conference table at the top, calling the shots, but
there's little in the way of sanity checks in the
"factory section" of the organization. People seem to
work on features, such as "make a container for Powerpoint".
Then, someone (and this is critical), blends the library
of nuts and bolts, to make a release. And this part is
rather mysterious, as there's no evidence they're document-obsessed,
and someone writes down what they want. It's "idea comes up,
fast prototype it, dev-test, throw it in the library,
buildmeister sees it, considers it" kind of system.

And this year, it's a maze of twisty passages made from
security features, virtualization and containers in the
virtualization. Not debuggable, not visible to users,
except when it takes 30 seconds for PowerPoint to launch
on an NVMe. There will be times, when Task Manager reads
0%, and the CPU is hot, and the Kill-O-Watt power meter
you have connected to your Test Machine, betrays power
usage.

Paul

On 7/5/2021 3:22 PM, Paul wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> On 7/5/2021 9:00 AM, Larc wrote:
>>> On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:54:41 +0000, philo@news.novabbs.com (philo) wrote:
>>>
>>> | Because I'm a Windows Insider, since it was available to me I am
>>> trying it out now.
>>> | It's basically just Win10 re-arrainged a bit.
>>>
>>> And not necessarily for the better, IMO.  But it's still in
>>> development.  If there
>>> are substantial feature and operational improvements by the time it's
>>> officially
>>> released to the public, I'll consider installing 11 on my work
>>> machines.  Otherwise,
>>> they will keep 10.
>>>
>>> Larc
>>>
>>
>>
>> It seems like Windows 11 is just a subtle reminder by MS to remind
>> everyone that they exist and are important. Otherwise, we might take
>> them for granted...  They already tried "Windows 10 forever", and that
>> apparently didn't work for them.
>
> It's financial reality.
>
> You want the shareholders to think the
> business unit is a "responsible" one.
>
> The development timetables haven't changed at
> Microsoft, no matter what the surface policy might
> look like. OSes might take five years to design,
> depending on how ambitious you want to be.
>
> Windows 10X was finished enough to release a simulator.
>
> windows 11 on the other hand, is finished. The business unit
> release process will be guiding it through the gates.
>
> It's hit the Insider, which means "dogfooding finished, test
> by real users". Then, a parallel version which is separate
> from the Insider one, will be rolling along and gathering moss.
>
> The security features will be modular. The Insider may or may not
> have them.  We're not exactly smothered in tools that identify
> how the OS works (the new Task Manager may not be in a
> position to be entirely honest, as the OS is virtualized).
> Maybe the HyperV tools have something, but
> (I haven't looked in there to see. I've never seen
> a bit of chatter about HyperV tools.)
>
> Then, the real features will be in the release version, separate
> from the Insider version.
>
> It's hard to say, why Insider test works this way, and all
> I can do, is report my observations, that the organization
> is not a linear one. You might find some speeds and behaviors
> quite different when the release one is tried, compared to
> your Insider. Or even, you might find that, by default,
> you're denied Windows 11 (TPM 2.0) and have to be content
> sitting around, hacking installer DVDs and so on.
>
> Only time will tell.
>
> The organization doesn't leave me with a warm feeling.
> No apparent management oversight. Maybe decisions are made
> at the highest level (Win10X gunned down, right after
> an attempt is made to do public relations via the simulator.)
>
> It speaks of a gutted middle management, there's still
> a conference table at the top, calling the shots, but
> there's little in the way of sanity checks in the
> "factory section" of the organization. People seem to
> work on features, such as "make a container for Powerpoint".
> Then, someone (and this is critical), blends the library
> of nuts and bolts, to make a release. And this part is
> rather mysterious, as there's no evidence they're document-obsessed,
> and someone writes down what they want. It's "idea comes up,
> fast prototype it, dev-test, throw it in the library,
> buildmeister sees it, considers it" kind of system.
>
> And this year, it's a maze of twisty passages made from
> security features, virtualization and containers in the
> virtualization. Not debuggable, not visible to users,
> except when it takes 30 seconds for PowerPoint to launch
> on an NVMe. There will be times, when Task Manager reads
> 0%, and the CPU is hot, and the Kill-O-Watt power meter
> you have connected to your Test Machine, betrays power
> usage.
>
>    Paul

Thanks Paul. I'm glad I also have linux on my machine. It may not be
as pretty, but they'll never be able to hold me hostage! At least, I
hope that they never can! ; )

Bill wrote:

>
>
> Thanks Paul. I'm glad I also have linux on my machine. It may not be
> as pretty, but they'll never be able to hold me hostage! At least, I
> hope that they never can! ; )
>

Ubuntu has Snaps, which are more of the same.

Paul

On 7/5/2021 7:37 PM, Paul wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Paul.   I'm glad I also have linux on my machine.  It may not
>> be as pretty, but they'll never be able to hold me hostage!   At
>> least, I hope that they never can!   ; )
>>
>
> Ubuntu has Snaps, which are more of the same.
>
>    Paul

Wow, this is the first I've first of "Snaps", and I read enough to get a
glimpse. Evolution, huh?

"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in message
news:sc0533$lub$1@dont-email.me...
> Bill wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Paul. I'm glad I also have linux on my machine. It may not be
>> as pretty, but they'll never be able to hold me hostage! At least, I
>> hope that they never can! ; )
>>
>
> Ubuntu has Snaps, which are more of the same.
>

As a mainly Windows user I hadn't heard of 'Snaps'

What you need to know about Snaps on Ubuntu 20.04
-
https://www.howtogeek.com/670084/what-you-need-to-know-about-snaps-on-ubuntu-20.04/

--
Regards
wasbit

wasbit wrote:
> "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:sc0533$lub$1@dont-email.me...
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Paul. I'm glad I also have linux on my machine. It may not
>>> be as pretty, but they'll never be able to hold me hostage! At
>>> least, I hope that they never can! ; )
>>>
>>
>> Ubuntu has Snaps, which are more of the same.
>>
>
> As a mainly Windows user I hadn't heard of 'Snaps'
>
> What you need to know about Snaps on Ubuntu 20.04
>
> https://www.howtogeek.com/670084/what-you-need-to-know-about-snaps-on-ubuntu-20.04/

Push came to shove, when Ubuntu only made Chrome
available as a Snap (and no .deb via Synaptic).

Linux Mint continues to offer Chrome web browser
as a .deb installation file.

One difference is, a Snap is a container with (at least)
a private /usr tree. It means all the dependencies of the
program, are contained in a Container. The Snap then
runs in the Container. None of your debug tools work
in the Container environment. You are powerless as a user,
to debug anything. It is also slower to load (a model for
Windows 11 performance).

There was a time in Ubuntu, where you could "purge" Snap package,
remove the Snap .deb, then Snap versions could no longer be called on.
The problem with that at the moment, is then you can't run Chrome.
Or the version of Chromium or whatever, that ships. If you
installed Linux Mint instead, nobody would force you to use a Snap.

Like Windows, Snaps are likely to be self-updating, perhaps
downloading while you're doing something. And the file includes
not only "Chrome executable" but every package, like "libJPEG"
that a browser needs, which makes for a substantially larger
download during updates. Before a container is launched, the
checksum is verified (similar to Windows).

Snaps are stored in a Snap Store. Windows Apps are
stored in the Windows Store. See where they're headed ???

Paul