On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:33:43 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-08 1:23 p.m., Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 08.05.22 um 18:43 schrieb Alan:
>>> On 2022-05-08 6:21 a.m., Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> Am 08.05.22 um 12:38 schrieb badgolferman:
>>>>> I can read faster than I can watch a video.
>>>>
>>>> That is a total illusion. Using ears and eyes together you can at
>>>> least
>>>> process ten times as much information.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That might be true in general...
>>>
>>> ...but this is about information as presented in the typical YouTube
>>> video...
>>>
>>> ...and I can read that information faster than it's typically
>>> presented.
>> That is an argument we can dicuss. That says a lot about the quality of
>> yt-presentations.
>>
>
> Any video that needs narration is going to be slower than presenting
> that same information as text.

Which is why I don't bother with the news on radio or TV and used the text
news instead. Much easier to skip the crap like sport and 'celebrities'
too.

On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:14:18 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-08 1:48 p.m., Jock wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:10:11 +1000, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>> | The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the constitutional
>>> duty of
>>> | the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative
>>> Branch. In
>>> | this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely
>>> ignoring
>>> | existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data from a
>>> private
>>> | business. Doesn’t this sound like a government agency using
>>> unfettered
>>> | power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a
>>> problem with
>>> | business but it is really a problem with the government abusing its
>>> power.
>>> |
>>>
>>> It's both. Government has no interest in you having privacy.
>>> Business wants to spy to make money. Law enforcement wants
>>> as much data as possible. Most citizens either don't care,
>>> don't understand, or regard the spying as a service to help
>>> them shop. Only common decency favors privacy.
>>>
>>> The NSA has deals with all the major operators. Google
>>> sells location data the the government for thousands
>>> of people at a time. ("geofencing") On top of all that, the
>>> companies get paid for sharing, with your tax dollars!
>>> I don't know of any law they're skirting. Those laws need
>>> to be created, as Europe is gradually doing. But Europe mainly
>>> serves the well being of the citizenry.
>>
>>> The US mainly serves
>>> big business.
>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>
> It's not bullshit.

Fraid so.

> You really want to look at the numbers.

And when that is done, even you would notice that the
US spends FAR more on welfare than on big business.

On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:16:07 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-08 1:54 p.m., Fred wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:25:43 +1000, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 08.05.22 um 19:09 schrieb Andy Burnelli:
>>>> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sharing yt links is also a little ironic given the topic of this
>>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed. But the solution is simple: Watch it on your stationary
>>>>>>> equipment ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does that change anything? Stationary equipment can also be
>>>>>> tracked.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are discussing tracking and movement profiling of hardware pieces
>>>>> that are on the move. As the topic suggests. Relatively useless with
>>>>> stationary equipment. We are not discussing tracking in the cyber
>>>>> space.
>>>>
>>>> It took 975 seconds for John Oliver to say what I said from the start.
>>>> <https://youtu.be/wqn3gR1WTcA?t=975>
>>>> "the 4th amendment protection against unreasonable searches &
>>>> seizures"
>>>
>>> 96% of the world population do not care about the 4th amendment.
>> Where did you get that 96% number from ?
>
> From the fact that the US population is about 4.35% of the world?

That doesn't fly because a lot more than 0.35% of the US do not care
about the 4th amendment.

On Mon, 09 May 2022 09:19:47 +1000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:10:11 +1000, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>> | The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the constitutional
>>> duty of
>>> | the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative
>>> Branch. In
>>> | this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely
>>> ignoring
>>> | existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data from a
>>> private
>>> | business. Doesn’t this sound like a government agency using
>>> unfettered
>>> | power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a problem
>>> with
>>> | business but it is really a problem with the government abusing its
>>> power.
>>> |
>>>
>>> It's both. Government has no interest in you having privacy.
>>> Business wants to spy to make money. Law enforcement wants
>>> as much data as possible. Most citizens either don't care,
>>> don't understand, or regard the spying as a service to help
>>> them shop. Only common decency favors privacy.
>>>
>>> The NSA has deals with all the major operators. Google
>>> sells location data the the government for thousands
>>> of people at a time. ("geofencing") On top of all that, the
>>> companies get paid for sharing, with your tax dollars!
>>> I don't know of any law they're skirting. Those laws need
>>> to be created, as Europe is gradually doing. But Europe mainly
>>> serves the well being of the citizenry.
>>
>>> The US mainly serves
>>> big business.
>>
>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>
> Whatever it is the US provides people it's not welfare.

That's mindless bullshit with the welfare handouts.

> It's a joke.

Your are a mindless bigot.

On Mon, 09 May 2022 10:40:26 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-08 4:19 p.m., Chris wrote:
>> Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:10:11 +1000, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>> | The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the constitutional
>>>> duty of
>>>> | the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative
>>>> Branch. In
>>>> | this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely
>>>> ignoring
>>>> | existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data from a
>>>> private
>>>> | business. Doesn’t this sound like a government agency using
>>>> unfettered
>>>> | power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a
>>>> problem
>>>> with
>>>> | business but it is really a problem with the government abusing its
>>>> power.
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>> It's both. Government has no interest in you having privacy.
>>>> Business wants to spy to make money. Law enforcement wants
>>>> as much data as possible. Most citizens either don't care,
>>>> don't understand, or regard the spying as a service to help
>>>> them shop. Only common decency favors privacy.
>>>>
>>>> The NSA has deals with all the major operators. Google
>>>> sells location data the the government for thousands
>>>> of people at a time. ("geofencing") On top of all that, the
>>>> companies get paid for sharing, with your tax dollars!
>>>> I don't know of any law they're skirting. Those laws need
>>>> to be created, as Europe is gradually doing. But Europe mainly
>>>> serves the well being of the citizenry.
>>>
>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>> big business.
>>>
>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>> Whatever it is the US provides people it's not welfare. It's a joke.
>>
>
> And compared to the largesse that the rich and big corporation gets,
> it's a pittance.

Bullshit it is.

> It's just hidden in the fact that they get their largesse in the form of
> not paying much in taxes.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

What taxes big business pays is passed on to their customers, stupid.

Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>> big business.
>>>
>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>
>> Whatever it is the US provides people it's not welfare.
>
> That's mindless bullshit with the welfare handouts.
>

In FY 2021 total US government spending on welfare — federal, state, and
local — was “guesstimated” to be $2,410 billion, including $762 billion for
Medicaid, and $1,648 billion in other welfare.

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/welfare_spending

Show us how that compares to big business tax breaks please.

On Mon, 09 May 2022 12:24:03 +1000, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>> big business.
>>>>
>>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>
>>> Whatever it is the US provides people it's not welfare.
>>
>> That's mindless bullshit with the welfare handouts.
>>
>
> In FY 2021 total US government spending on welfare — federal, state, and
> local — was “guesstimated” to be $2,410 billion, including $762 billion
> for
> Medicaid, and $1,648 billion in other welfare.

The wages paid to the military are mostly welfare too.

> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/welfare_spending
>
>
> Show us how that compares to big business tax breaks please.

Big business tax breaks aren't serving big business, because
any business that isn't going broke passes whatever taxes it
pays to their customers.

Chris wrote:

>> The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the constitutional duty of
>> the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative Branch. In
>> this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely ignoring
>> existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data from a private
>> business. Doesn�t this sound like a government agency using unfettered
>> power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a problem with
>> business but it is really a problem with the government abusing its power.
>
> How exactly is the CDC "abusing its power"? What laws has it broken? It is
> reasonable for it to investigate the effect of the pandemic and how it
> affected people. No?

It's a perfectly valid question of how close to the 4th amendment our own
government should skirt, as I see it (and as the article that badgolferman
unearthed sees it).

Still, others, like Steve, feel that any law is there to be broken,
as long as the end justifies the means, and, well, you know, Covid
certainly merits dismantling all that we stand for as a country.

It's a question that has been important in the USA for hundreds of years.

On 2022-05-08 6:45 p.m., Jock wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:14:18 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-08 1:48 p.m., Jock wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:10:11 +1000, Mayayana
>>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>> | The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the constitutional
>>>> duty of
>>>> | the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative
>>>> Branch. In
>>>> | this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely
>>>> ignoring
>>>> | existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data from a
>>>> private
>>>> | business. Doesn’t this sound like a government agency using
>>>> unfettered
>>>> | power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a
>>>> problem with
>>>> | business but it is really a problem with the government abusing
>>>> its power.
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>>   It's both. Government has no interest in you having privacy.
>>>> Business wants to spy to make money. Law enforcement wants
>>>> as much data as possible. Most citizens either don't care,
>>>> don't understand, or regard the spying as a service to help
>>>> them shop. Only common decency favors privacy.
>>>>
>>>>   The NSA has deals with all the major operators. Google
>>>> sells location data the the government for thousands
>>>> of people at a time. ("geofencing") On top of all that, the
>>>> companies get paid for sharing, with your tax dollars!
>>>> I don't know of any law they're skirting. Those laws need
>>>> to be created, as Europe is gradually doing. But Europe mainly
>>>> serves the well being of the citizenry.
>>>
>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>> big business.
>>>  That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>
>> It's not bullshit.
>
> Fraid so.
>
>> You really want to look at the numbers.
>
> And when that is done, even you would notice that the
> US spends FAR more on welfare than on big business.

Not when you factor in how little they collect in taxes from big business.

On 2022-05-08 6:48 p.m., Fred wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:16:07 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-08 1:54 p.m., Fred wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:25:43 +1000, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 08.05.22 um 19:09 schrieb Andy Burnelli:
>>>>> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sharing yt links is also a little ironic given the topic of
>>>>>>>>> this thread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed. But the solution is simple: Watch it on your stationary
>>>>>>>> equipment ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does that change anything? Stationary equipment can also be
>>>>>>> tracked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are discussing tracking and movement profiling of hardware pieces
>>>>>> that are on the move. As the topic suggests. Relatively useless with
>>>>>> stationary equipment. We are not discussing tracking in the cyber
>>>>>> space.
>>>>>
>>>>> It took 975 seconds for John Oliver to say what I said from the start.
>>>>>  <https://youtu.be/wqn3gR1WTcA?t=975>
>>>>>  "the 4th amendment protection against unreasonable searches &
>>>>> seizures"
>>>>
>>>> 96% of the world population do not care about the 4th amendment.
>>>  Where did you get that 96% number from ?
>>
>>  From the fact that the US population is about 4.35% of the world?
>
> That doesn't fly because a lot more than 0.35% of the US do not care
> about the 4th amendment.

It's a baseline.

Don't overthink it.

On 2022-05-08 6:56 p.m., Jock wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 10:40:26 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-08 4:19 p.m., Chris wrote:
>>> Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:10:11 +1000, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> | The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the constitutional
>>>>> duty of
>>>>> | the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative
>>>>> Branch. In
>>>>> | this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely
>>>>> ignoring
>>>>> | existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data from a
>>>>> private
>>>>> | business. Doesn’t this sound like a government agency using
>>>>> unfettered
>>>>> | power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a
>>>>> problem
>>>>> with
>>>>> | business but it is really a problem with the government abusing its
>>>>> power.
>>>>> |
>>>>>
>>>>> It's both. Government has no interest in you having privacy.
>>>>> Business wants to spy to make money. Law enforcement wants
>>>>> as much data as possible. Most citizens either don't care,
>>>>> don't understand, or regard the spying as a service to help
>>>>> them shop. Only common decency favors privacy.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NSA has deals with all the major operators. Google
>>>>> sells location data the the government for thousands
>>>>> of people at a time. ("geofencing") On top of all that, the
>>>>> companies get paid for sharing, with your tax dollars!
>>>>> I don't know of any law they're skirting. Those laws need
>>>>> to be created, as Europe is gradually doing. But Europe mainly
>>>>> serves the well being of the citizenry.
>>>>
>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>> big business.
>>>>
>>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>  Whatever it is the US provides people it's not welfare. It's a joke.
>>>
>>
>> And compared to the largesse that the rich and big corporation gets,
>> it's a pittance.
>
> Bullshit it is.
>
>> It's just hidden in the fact that they get their largesse in the form
>> of not paying much in taxes.
>
> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
>
> What taxes big business pays is passed on to their customers, stupid.

You need to reexamine your thought processes, dude.

On 05/08/2022 07:24 PM, badgolferman wrote:
> Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>> big business.
>>>>
>>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>
>>> Whatever it is the US provides people it's not welfare.
>>
>> That's mindless bullshit with the welfare handouts.
>
> In FY 2021 total US government spending on welfare — federal, state, and
> local — was “guesstimated” to be $2,410 billion, including $762 billion for
> Medicaid, and $1,648 billion in other welfare.
>
> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/welfare_spending
>
> Show us how that compares to big business tax breaks please.

Letting people keep the money they earn is NOT a tax expenditure.

--
Cheers, Bev
Start worrying -- details to follow.

On 05/08/2022 09:25 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-08 6:45 p.m., Jock wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:14:18 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-08 1:48 p.m., Jock wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:10:11 +1000, Mayayana
>>>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> | The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the constitutional
>>>>> duty of
>>>>> | the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative
>>>>> Branch. In
>>>>> | this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely
>>>>> ignoring
>>>>> | existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data from a
>>>>> private
>>>>> | business. Doesn’t this sound like a government agency using
>>>>> unfettered
>>>>> | power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a
>>>>> problem with
>>>>> | business but it is really a problem with the government abusing
>>>>> its power.
>>>>> |
>>>>>
>>>>> It's both. Government has no interest in you having privacy.
>>>>> Business wants to spy to make money. Law enforcement wants
>>>>> as much data as possible. Most citizens either don't care,
>>>>> don't understand, or regard the spying as a service to help
>>>>> them shop. Only common decency favors privacy.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NSA has deals with all the major operators. Google
>>>>> sells location data the the government for thousands
>>>>> of people at a time. ("geofencing") On top of all that, the
>>>>> companies get paid for sharing, with your tax dollars!
>>>>> I don't know of any law they're skirting. Those laws need
>>>>> to be created, as Europe is gradually doing. But Europe mainly
>>>>> serves the well being of the citizenry.
>>>>
>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>> big business.
>>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>
>>> It's not bullshit.
>>
>> Fraid so.
>>
>>> You really want to look at the numbers.
>>
>> And when that is done, even you would notice that the
>> US spends FAR more on welfare than on big business.
>
> Not when you factor in how little they collect in taxes from big business.

Business doesn't pay taxes, their customers -- YOU -- do.

--
Cheers, Bev
Start worrying -- details to follow.

On 2022-05-08 10:11 p.m., The Real Bev wrote:
> On 05/08/2022 09:25 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-08 6:45 p.m., Jock wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:14:18 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-05-08 1:48 p.m., Jock wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:10:11 +1000, Mayayana
>>>>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> | The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the constitutional
>>>>>> duty of
>>>>>> | the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative
>>>>>> Branch. In
>>>>>> | this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely
>>>>>> ignoring
>>>>>> | existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data from a
>>>>>> private
>>>>>> | business. Doesn’t this sound like a government agency using
>>>>>> unfettered
>>>>>> | power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a
>>>>>> problem with
>>>>>> | business but it is really a problem with the government abusing
>>>>>> its power.
>>>>>> |
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   It's both. Government has no interest in you having privacy.
>>>>>> Business wants to spy to make money. Law enforcement wants
>>>>>> as much data as possible. Most citizens either don't care,
>>>>>> don't understand, or regard the spying as a service to help
>>>>>> them shop. Only common decency favors privacy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   The NSA has deals with all the major operators. Google
>>>>>> sells location data the the government for thousands
>>>>>> of people at a time. ("geofencing") On top of all that, the
>>>>>> companies get paid for sharing, with your tax dollars!
>>>>>> I don't know of any law they're skirting. Those laws need
>>>>>> to be created, as Europe is gradually doing. But Europe mainly
>>>>>> serves the well being of the citizenry.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>>> big business.
>>>>>  That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>>
>>>> It's not bullshit.
>>>
>>> Fraid so.
>>>
>>>> You really want to look at the numbers.
>>>
>>> And when that is done, even you would notice that the
>>> US spends FAR more on welfare than on big business.
>>
>> Not when you factor in how little they collect in taxes from big
>> business.
>
> Business doesn't pay taxes, their customers -- YOU -- do.
>
>

Oh, this is such bullshit.

Are you actually advocating no taxes on ANY business?

On 2022-05-08 10:10 p.m., The Real Bev wrote:
> On 05/08/2022 07:24 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>> Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>>> big business.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever it is the US provides people it's not welfare.
>>>
>>> That's mindless bullshit with the welfare handouts.
>>
>> In FY 2021 total US government spending on welfare — federal, state, and
>> local — was “guesstimated” to be $2,410 billion, including $762
>> billion for
>> Medicaid, and $1,648 billion in other welfare.
>>
>> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/welfare_spending
>>
>> Show us how that compares to big business tax breaks please.
>
> Letting people keep the money they earn is NOT a tax expenditure.
>

It is as real an issue as what you spend.

On Mon, 09 May 2022 14:25:55 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-08 6:45 p.m., Jock wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:14:18 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-08 1:48 p.m., Jock wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:10:11 +1000, Mayayana
>>>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> | The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the constitutional
>>>>> duty of
>>>>> | the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative
>>>>> Branch. In
>>>>> | this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely
>>>>> ignoring
>>>>> | existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data from a
>>>>> private
>>>>> | business. Doesn’t this sound like a government agency using
>>>>> unfettered
>>>>> | power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a
>>>>> problem with
>>>>> | business but it is really a problem with the government abusing
>>>>> its power.
>>>>> |
>>>>>
>>>>> It's both. Government has no interest in you having privacy.
>>>>> Business wants to spy to make money. Law enforcement wants
>>>>> as much data as possible. Most citizens either don't care,
>>>>> don't understand, or regard the spying as a service to help
>>>>> them shop. Only common decency favors privacy.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NSA has deals with all the major operators. Google
>>>>> sells location data the the government for thousands
>>>>> of people at a time. ("geofencing") On top of all that, the
>>>>> companies get paid for sharing, with your tax dollars!
>>>>> I don't know of any law they're skirting. Those laws need
>>>>> to be created, as Europe is gradually doing. But Europe mainly
>>>>> serves the well being of the citizenry.
>>>>
>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>> big business.
>>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>
>>> It's not bullshit.
>> Fraid so.
>>
>>> You really want to look at the numbers.
>> And when that is done, even you would notice that the
>> US spends FAR more on welfare than on big business.
>
> Not when you factor in how little they collect in taxes from big
> business.

More bullshit given that any taxes paid by big business are in fact paid
by the end user.

And it isn't even possible with legislation to stop that happening.

On Mon, 09 May 2022 14:26:22 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-08 6:48 p.m., Fred wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:16:07 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-08 1:54 p.m., Fred wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:25:43 +1000, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Am 08.05.22 um 19:09 schrieb Andy Burnelli:
>>>>>> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sharing yt links is also a little ironic given the topic of
>>>>>>>>>> this thread.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Agreed. But the solution is simple: Watch it on your stationary
>>>>>>>>> equipment ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How does that change anything? Stationary equipment can also be
>>>>>>>> tracked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are discussing tracking and movement profiling of hardware
>>>>>>> pieces
>>>>>>> that are on the move. As the topic suggests. Relatively useless
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> stationary equipment. We are not discussing tracking in the cyber
>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It took 975 seconds for John Oliver to say what I said from the
>>>>>> start.
>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/wqn3gR1WTcA?t=975>
>>>>>> "the 4th amendment protection against unreasonable searches &
>>>>>> seizures"
>>>>>
>>>>> 96% of the world population do not care about the 4th amendment.
>>>> Where did you get that 96% number from ?
>>>
>>> From the fact that the US population is about 4.35% of the world?
>> That doesn't fly because a lot more than 0.35% of the US do not care
>> about the 4th amendment.
>
> It's a baseline.

Bullshit it is.

> Don't overthink it.

Don't try to bullshit your way out of your predicament, it fools no one,
as always.

On Mon, 09 May 2022 14:26:56 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-08 6:56 p.m., Jock wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 10:40:26 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-08 4:19 p.m., Chris wrote:
>>>> Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:10:11 +1000, Mayayana
>>>>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> | The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the constitutional
>>>>>> duty of
>>>>>> | the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative
>>>>>> Branch. In
>>>>>> | this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely
>>>>>> ignoring
>>>>>> | existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data from
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> private
>>>>>> | business. Doesn’t this sound like a government agency using
>>>>>> unfettered
>>>>>> | power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> | business but it is really a problem with the government abusing
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> power.
>>>>>> |
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's both. Government has no interest in you having privacy.
>>>>>> Business wants to spy to make money. Law enforcement wants
>>>>>> as much data as possible. Most citizens either don't care,
>>>>>> don't understand, or regard the spying as a service to help
>>>>>> them shop. Only common decency favors privacy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The NSA has deals with all the major operators. Google
>>>>>> sells location data the the government for thousands
>>>>>> of people at a time. ("geofencing") On top of all that, the
>>>>>> companies get paid for sharing, with your tax dollars!
>>>>>> I don't know of any law they're skirting. Those laws need
>>>>>> to be created, as Europe is gradually doing. But Europe mainly
>>>>>> serves the well being of the citizenry.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>>> big business.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>> Whatever it is the US provides people it's not welfare. It's a joke.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And compared to the largesse that the rich and big corporation gets,
>>> it's a pittance.
>> Bullshit it is.
>>
>>> It's just hidden in the fact that they get their largesse in the form
>>> of not paying much in taxes.
>> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
>> What taxes big business pays is passed on to their customers, stupid..
>
> You need to reexamine your thought processes, dude.

You never had any viable ones, dud.

On Mon, 09 May 2022 15:21:42 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-08 10:11 p.m., The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 05/08/2022 09:25 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-08 6:45 p.m., Jock wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:14:18 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-05-08 1:48 p.m., Jock wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:10:11 +1000, Mayayana
>>>>>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> | The CDC falls under the Executive Branch. It is the
>>>>>>> constitutional
>>>>>>> duty of
>>>>>>> | the Executive Branch to enforce laws created by the Legislative
>>>>>>> Branch. In
>>>>>>> | this case we have an Executive Branch federal agency purposely
>>>>>>> ignoring
>>>>>>> | existing laws and regarding privacy and buying tracking data
>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>> private
>>>>>>> | business. Doesn’t this sound like a government agency using
>>>>>>> unfettered
>>>>>>> | power to skirt the law? You keep trying to pass this off as a
>>>>>>> problem with
>>>>>>> | business but it is really a problem with the government abusing
>>>>>>> its power.
>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's both. Government has no interest in you having privacy.
>>>>>>> Business wants to spy to make money. Law enforcement wants
>>>>>>> as much data as possible. Most citizens either don't care,
>>>>>>> don't understand, or regard the spying as a service to help
>>>>>>> them shop. Only common decency favors privacy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The NSA has deals with all the major operators. Google
>>>>>>> sells location data the the government for thousands
>>>>>>> of people at a time. ("geofencing") On top of all that, the
>>>>>>> companies get paid for sharing, with your tax dollars!
>>>>>>> I don't know of any law they're skirting. Those laws need
>>>>>>> to be created, as Europe is gradually doing. But Europe mainly
>>>>>>> serves the well being of the citizenry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>>>> big business.
>>>>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Fraid so.
>>>>
>>>>> You really want to look at the numbers.
>>>>
>>>> And when that is done, even you would notice that the
>>>> US spends FAR more on welfare than on big business.
>>>
>>> Not when you factor in how little they collect in taxes from big
>>> business.
>> Business doesn't pay taxes, their customers -- YOU -- do.
>>
>
> Oh, this is such bullshit.

Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it,
stupid.

> Are you actually advocating no taxes on ANY business?

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

On Mon, 09 May 2022 15:22:07 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-08 10:10 p.m., The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 05/08/2022 07:24 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>>> Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>>>> big business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever it is the US provides people it's not welfare.
>>>>
>>>> That's mindless bullshit with the welfare handouts.
>>>
>>> In FY 2021 total US government spending on welfare — federal, state,
>>> and
>>> local — was “guesstimated” to be $2,410 billion, including $762
>>> billion for
>>> Medicaid, and $1,648 billion in other welfare.
>>>
>>> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/welfare_spending
>>>
>>> Show us how that compares to big business tax breaks please.
>> Letting people keep the money they earn is NOT a tax expenditure.
>>
>
> It is as real an issue as what you spend.

Pathetic.

Am 09.05.22 um 03:48 schrieb Fred:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:16:07 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-08 1:54 p.m., Fred wrote:
>>> Where did you get that 96% number from ?
>>
>> From the fact that the US population is about 4.35% of the world?
>
> That doesn't fly because a lot more than 0.35% of the US do not care
> about the 4th amendment.

Others are a lot smarter than you are, dear.
The 4th amendment affects you whether you care or not.
And btw: Math is not your strength.

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Am 09.05.22 um 08:11 schrieb Fred:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 14:26:22 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> It's a baseline.
>
> Bullshit it is.
>
>> Don't overthink it.
>
> Don't try to bullshit your way out of your predicament, it fools no one,
> as always.

You are totally new here and you already act like a seasoned Troll.
No need to write back.

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On Mon, 09 May 2022 16:34:13 +1000, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

> Am 09.05.22 um 03:48 schrieb Fred:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 07:16:07 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-08 1:54 p.m., Fred wrote:
>>>> Where did you get that 96% number from ?
>>>
>>> From the fact that the US population is about 4.35% of the world?
>>
>> That doesn't fly because a lot more than 0.35% of the US do not care
>> about the 4th amendment.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

> The 4th amendment affects you whether you care or not.

Wrong, as always. I am not an american, stupid.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

On Mon, 09 May 2022 16:36:08 +1000, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

> Am 09.05.22 um 08:11 schrieb Fred:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 14:26:22 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> It's a baseline.
>>
>> Bullshit it is.
>>
>>> Don't overthink it.
>>
>> Don't try to bullshit your way out of your predicament, it fools no one,
>> as always.
>
> You are totally new here

Nope, dope.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

> No need to write back.

Wrong, as always.

On 5/8/2022 7:24 PM, badgolferman wrote:
> Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The US mainly serves
>>>>> big business.
>>>>
>>>> That's bullshit with welfare alone.
>>>
>>> Whatever it is the US provides people it's not welfare.
>>
>> That's mindless bullshit with the welfare handouts.
>>
>
> In FY 2021 total US government spending on welfare — federal, state, and
> local — was “guesstimated” to be $2,410 billion, including $762 billion for
> Medicaid, and $1,648 billion in other welfare.
>
> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/welfare_spending
>
> Show us how that compares to big business tax breaks please.

The most recent federal tax cut caused an estimated loss of $275 billion
in revenue. So it was about 11% of the total spent on "welfare." This is
according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

There are other tax cuts at the state and local level as well.