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From: NONONOmi...@fmguy.com (micky)
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 by: micky - Wed, 25 May 2022 23:58 UTC

Will old phone work alright for modest user?

I have a friend going on a european vacation for about 3 weeks. He was
going to do as he's done in the past, rent a semi-smart phone, and I
think the cheapest is 6 dollars a day, or 120 dollars.

I'm trying to convince him to buy a second-hand smart phone, so he'll
still have it when he gets back, but I'll look pretty stupid and he'll
be greatly inconvenienced if I talk him into the wrong thing.

For example. what if it's Android 7.0 (Nougat), upgradable to Android
9.0 (Pie), One UI. Will it refuse to do things he needs/wants?
He's not going to do anyhting fancy, since now he does nothing but make
local phone calls. But lets add google maps, whatsapp and maybe
webbrowser. Is android 7 or 9 like windows 95, that it won't run many
apps and even standard programs dont' run anymore, so google maps may
not work, or whatsapp?

Here's the actual phone
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224819053873?epid=26024705391&hash=item3458428531:g:XtwAAOSw0dZc0yWL
And here's gsmarena:
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8_active-8676.php

The biggest problem si that most phones have sub-model numbers and when
you look in gsmarena you see that some have bands 1,2,3,4 or 3 of those,
but some only have 2 and 4, the American bands and they don't have 1 or
3. In many cases, the ebay ad doesn't give the submodel and if one of
them hasn't got European bands, I have to exclude it. The one above
does have 3 different sets of bands but all include 3 or 4 of the 4.

Or this one.
Android 8.0 (Oreo), upgradable to Android 10, One UI 2.5
https://www.ebay.com/itm/363403225488?epid=23024206584&hash=item549c852990:g:yB0AAOSwsSlgpS5-
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s9-8966.php

I can find better choices, but I wanted to post this asap.

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 by: joe - Thu, 26 May 2022 03:06 UTC

On 5/25/2022 6:58 PM, micky wrote:
> Will old phone work alright for modest user?
>
> I have a friend going on a european vacation for about 3 weeks. He was
> going to do as he's done in the past, rent a semi-smart phone, and I
> think the cheapest is 6 dollars a day, or 120 dollars.
>
> I'm trying to convince him to buy a second-hand smart phone, so he'll
> still have it when he gets back, but I'll look pretty stupid and he'll
> be greatly inconvenienced if I talk him into the wrong thing.
>

Get a new cheap phone from Best Buy or similar. It will have a warranty,
better battery life, and probably work like new rather than well abused.

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 by: David Taylor - Thu, 26 May 2022 05:18 UTC

On 26/05/2022 00:58, micky wrote:
> Will old phone work alright for modest user?
>
> I have a friend going on a european vacation for about 3 weeks. He was
> going to do as he's done in the past, rent a semi-smart phone, and I
> think the cheapest is 6 dollars a day, or 120 dollars.
>
> I'm trying to convince him to buy a second-hand smart phone, so he'll
> still have it when he gets back, but I'll look pretty stupid and he'll
> be greatly inconvenienced if I talk him into the wrong thing.

Check that anything you buy will work in Europe.
Frequency bands may differ.

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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 by: Chris - Thu, 26 May 2022 07:17 UTC

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> Will old phone work alright for modest user?
>
> I have a friend going on a european vacation for about 3 weeks. He was
> going to do as he's done in the past, rent a semi-smart phone, and I
> think the cheapest is 6 dollars a day, or 120 dollars.

Why? Does he not already have a mobile phone he can use?

> I'm trying to convince him to buy a second-hand smart phone, so he'll
> still have it when he gets back, but I'll look pretty stupid and he'll
> be greatly inconvenienced if I talk him into the wrong thing.

Pretty sure you can get a decent new phone for $120. Check that it'll work
in the EU.

> For example. what if it's Android 7.0 (Nougat), upgradable to Android
> 9.0 (Pie), One UI. Will it refuse to do things he needs/wants?
> He's not going to do anyhting fancy, since now he does nothing but make
> local phone calls. But lets add google maps, whatsapp and maybe
> webbrowser. Is android 7 or 9 like windows 95, that it won't run many
> apps and even standard programs dont' run anymore, so google maps may
> not work, or whatsapp?

Not sure about specific apps, but yes. Newer apps will not support older
versions of android, although it's up to individual developers so hard to
be specific.

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 by: sms - Thu, 26 May 2022 17:01 UTC

I have a feeling that you'd be hard-pressed to convince him to do what
is more logical, buying a cheap unlocked smart phone for $100-130 and
then a prepaid SIM card.

I.e.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/blu-v50-32gb-unlocked-black/6428098.p?skuId=6428098
supports B1, B3, B4, B5, B7, B12, B17, B28.

But since you can't guarantee it will all work, or tell him where to buy
a SIM, etc., I'd forget the whole thing.

On 5/25/2022 4:58 PM, micky wrote:
> Will old phone work alright for modest user?
>
> I have a friend going on a european vacation for about 3 weeks. He was
> going to do as he's done in the past, rent a semi-smart phone, and I
> think the cheapest is 6 dollars a day, or 120 dollars.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Thu, 26 May 2022 19:41 UTC

Am 26.05.22 um 01:58 schrieb micky:
> I have a friend going on a european vacation for about 3 weeks. He was
> going to do as he's done in the past, rent a semi-smart phone, and I
> think the cheapest is 6 dollars a day, or 120 dollars.
>
> I'm trying to convince him to buy a second-hand smart phone, so he'll
> still have it when he gets back, but I'll look pretty stupid and he'll
> be greatly inconvenienced if I talk him into the wrong thing.

That is in the first place none of your business.

And it is a very bad advice to your friend: He never ever used a smart
phone before? There are so many frustrations and traps along these three
weeks ... When he survives this horror trip he will kill you.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

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 by: Rob - Fri, 27 May 2022 08:39 UTC

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> I have a feeling that you'd be hard-pressed to convince him to do what
> is more logical, buying a cheap unlocked smart phone for $100-130 and
> then a prepaid SIM card.
>
> I.e.
> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/blu-v50-32gb-unlocked-black/6428098.p?skuId=6428098
> supports B1, B3, B4, B5, B7, B12, B17, B28.

And OF COURSE: do NOT buy it at home, buy it in the country or area
that you are visiting. Not at the airport, but in a phone store
somewhere in the first city you visit.

That way it will be compatible with the local network, the charger
will fit the local power outlets, etc.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Fri, 27 May 2022 09:16 UTC

Am 27.05.22 um 10:39 schrieb Rob:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> I have a feeling that you'd be hard-pressed to convince him to do what
>> is more logical, buying a cheap unlocked smart phone for $100-130 and
>> then a prepaid SIM card.
>>
>> I.e.
>> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/blu-v50-32gb-unlocked-black/6428098.p?skuId=6428098
>> supports B1, B3, B4, B5, B7, B12, B17, B28.
>
> And OF COURSE: do NOT buy it at home, buy it in the country or area
> that you are visiting. Not at the airport, but in a phone store
> somewhere in the first city you visit.
>
> That way it will be compatible with the local network, the charger
> will fit the local power outlets, etc.

Much better advice.
Nevertheless the "friend" has other things in mind than to get upset
about a smartphone he does not master if he never used a smartphone before.

--
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 by: micky - Fri, 27 May 2022 10:47 UTC

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 26 May 2022 21:41:48 +0200, Joerg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

>Am 26.05.22 um 01:58 schrieb micky:
>> I have a friend going on a european vacation for about 3 weeks. He was
>> going to do as he's done in the past, rent a semi-smart phone, and I
>> think the cheapest is 6 dollars a day, or 120 dollars.
>>
>> I'm trying to convince him to buy a second-hand smart phone, so he'll
>> still have it when he gets back, but I'll look pretty stupid and he'll
>> be greatly inconvenienced if I talk him into the wrong thing.
>
>That is in the first place none of your business.

Of course it is. He's my friend and I use and know cell phones much
more than he does. Maybe friendship is different in Switzerland.

>And it is a very bad advice to your friend: He never ever used a smart
>phone before? There are so many frustrations and traps along these three
>weeks ...

Yeah, they're annoying. He can handle it.

> When he survives this horror trip he will kill you.

Nonsense. Even if he has trouble... no matter how much trouble he has,
he won't be angry at me.

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 by: sms - Fri, 27 May 2022 13:15 UTC

On 5/27/2022 1:39 AM, Rob wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> I have a feeling that you'd be hard-pressed to convince him to do what
>> is more logical, buying a cheap unlocked smart phone for $100-130 and
>> then a prepaid SIM card.
>>
>> I.e.
>> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/blu-v50-32gb-unlocked-black/6428098.p?skuId=6428098
>> supports B1, B3, B4, B5, B7, B12, B17, B28.
>
> And OF COURSE: do NOT buy it at home, buy it in the country or area
> that you are visiting. Not at the airport, but in a phone store
> somewhere in the first city you visit.
>
> That way it will be compatible with the local network, the charger
> will fit the local power outlets, etc.

It's not difficult to determine which LTE & 5G bands a phone supports
and which bands a country uses! I've done this all over the world, well
at least in Europe and Asia.

IMVAIO, it's better to set up everything at home, check that the phone
is unlocked, load all the apps and all the content you need, like maps
from OSMAND or CoPilot stored on the phone, translation apps like Google
Translate, and especially the amazing Google Lens. Moovit is great if
you're going to be using local mass transit (which I greatly prefer to
taxis). WhatsApp of course for Europe.

The other thing to set up before you leave is NFC payments. This is a
huge advantage of a smart phone in Europe. Last time I was in Europe, in
2019, the locals were using their phones for paying for most stuff as
well. Cash was usually unnecessary in Austria, Germany, Italy, and the
UK, though one restaurant in Austria was cash-only. Even the pay
lavatories took Apple Pay, Google Pay, and Samsung Pay so you didn't
need to deal with coins. For someone from the U.S., who is unlikely to
have a credit card with Chip & PIN with PIN priority, it's a lot more
convenient, and more secure, to pay with your phone than with a U.S.
credit card.

Similarly, taking along a plug adapter for whatever country you're
visiting is standard operating procedure for experienced travelers.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 27 May 2022 14:44 UTC

sms wrote:

> It's not difficult to determine which LTE & 5G bands a phone supports
> and which bands a country uses! I've done this all over the world, well
> at least in Europe and Asia.

Steve is correct that band availability is already known for every phone.

Here's a band selection options for my free el-cheap Samsung, for example.
<https://i.postimg.cc/L5CZHt2k/bands03.jpg> Band selection options
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From: theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Theo)
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 by: Theo - Fri, 27 May 2022 16:06 UTC

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 5/27/2022 1:39 AM, Rob wrote:
> > sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >> I have a feeling that you'd be hard-pressed to convince him to do what
> >> is more logical, buying a cheap unlocked smart phone for $100-130 and
> >> then a prepaid SIM card.
> >>
> >> I.e.
> >> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/blu-v50-32gb-unlocked-black/6428098.p?skuId=6428098
> >> supports B1, B3, B4, B5, B7, B12, B17, B28.
> >
> > And OF COURSE: do NOT buy it at home, buy it in the country or area
> > that you are visiting. Not at the airport, but in a phone store
> > somewhere in the first city you visit.
> >
> > That way it will be compatible with the local network, the charger
> > will fit the local power outlets, etc.
>
> It's not difficult to determine which LTE & 5G bands a phone supports
> and which bands a country uses! I've done this all over the world, well
> at least in Europe and Asia.

eg https://www.frequencycheck.com/countries/
shows
Italy: B1/B3/B7/B8/B20 in use
Germany: B1/B3/B7/B20
France: B1/B3/B7/B8/B20/B28

(that site can xref a particular phone too, although it doesn't know about
the Blu V50)

so the above Blu would be ok. You won't get 100% of all the bands but
falling back to 3G rather than 4G or 5G wouldn't be the end of the world.
If you know the network(s) you're targeting you can make a better judgement
about which bands are important to you (not all networks use every band).

It is possible to buy the phone on arrival, but more hassle. For example,
the local phone shops may only sell phones on contract and not on PAYG, or
insist that you pay for a local SIM you won't use, etc etc. And you might
not want to spend precious vacation time buying a phone.

You could also ask Amazon or a local online phone store to deliver a phone
to your hotel, as another way to get an unlocked PAYG phone.

Theo

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 27 May 2022 16:17 UTC

Theo wrote:

> eg https://www.frequencycheck.com/countries/
> shows
> Italy: B1/B3/B7/B8/B20 in use
> Germany: B1/B3/B7/B20
> France: B1/B3/B7/B8/B20/B28

Thank you for that useful information where I compared that country
information with my free T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy A32-5G which apparently
has all those bands _except_ the B20 and B28 bands based on this hidden
Activity which allows you to select any band you might want to select.
<https://i.postimg.cc/FFByv7Ps/bands01.jpg> Hidden Network-Mode Activity
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZKnwPGQ0/bands02.jpg> Hidden Band-Selection Activity
<https://i.postimg.cc/L5CZHt2k/bands03.jpg> Band selection options

As a side note, I've traveled to all those countries with this phone and it
worked in all of them with my USA SIM card (free unlimited data & text,
with calls both ways being 20 cents per minute last I checked prices).
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 27 May 2022 16:21 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> my free T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy A32-5G which apparently
> has all those bands _except_ the B20 and B28

Ooooooops. It has everything but the B28 band.

That's assuming LTE B20 is the same as the B20 that Theo referenced.

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 by: Andy Burns - Fri, 27 May 2022 16:47 UTC

sms wrote:

> It's not difficult to determine which LTE & 5G bands a phone supports and
> which bands a country uses!

Handy starting-point for UK networks and bands

<https://www.4g.co.uk/4g-frequencies-uk-need-know>

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 by: sms - Fri, 27 May 2022 17:12 UTC

On 5/27/2022 9:06 AM, Theo wrote:

<snip>

> eg https://www.frequencycheck.com/countries/
> shows
> Italy: B1/B3/B7/B8/B20 in use
> Germany: B1/B3/B7/B20
> France: B1/B3/B7/B8/B20/B28

As along as a phone supports 1, 3, and 7 then you're fine in Europe and
the Middle East. Band 20 and 28 are nice to have but not vital.

Personally, I like to have service as soon as I arrive, without
searching out a store to buy a SIM card, because I want to use apps like
Moovit for public transit information, or to call a hotel for pickup
service.

A few years ago we took a trip to Europe. In Berlin, we got separated on
the insanely crowded bus from Tegel airport (this was prior to the new
Berlin airport finally opening). We had not yet bought SIM cards. This
was a real hassle not knowing where one person was and having no way to
contact them. Fortunately I had given each person all the information
about what hotels or hostels we were staying at so we met up there.

Next trip, to Italy, I bought Vodafone UK SIM cards in advance and
activated and tested them in the U.S.. They worked as soon as we landed
in Milan. This was pre-Brexit and the cards were a good deal for a short
trip, £1 per day for 500MB per day, and worked throughout the EU and
EEA. Now the UK carriers have opted out of the rules regarding EU and
EEA roaming and the UK prepaid SIM cards are a bad deal.

For a trip to China, I bought a data-only, China Unicom Hong Kong SIM
card from Amazon and used Google Voice and WeChat for calls and
messaging. The Hong Kong SIM card did not block any sites or apps
(unlike SIM cards from the PRC).

Next trip I think we'll go the data-only SIM or eSIM route and use a
VOIP service for calls and SMS. It's a little more expensive than
finding a good deal on a local SIM, but in the scheme of things, $15 or
so extra is not a big deal. Now you can even use an eSIM on phones that
don't support eSIM by use of a physical SIM to eSIM adapter
<https://esim.me/>.

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 by: Chris - Fri, 27 May 2022 17:37 UTC

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> Similarly, taking along a plug adapter for whatever country you're
> visiting is standard operating procedure for experienced travelers.

For a smartphone I'd argue it's better to buy a local charger rather than
use your home charger + adapter. It's much less clunky. The EU uses the
same (or close enough not to matter) plug so only one is required.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 27 May 2022 18:28 UTC

Chris wrote:

> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Similarly, taking along a plug adapter for whatever country you're
>> visiting is standard operating procedure for experienced travelers.
>
> For a smartphone I'd argue it's better to buy a local charger rather than
> use your home charger + adapter. It's much less clunky. The EU uses the
> same (or close enough not to matter) plug so only one is required.

Experienced travelers bring along _two_ items for electrical compatibility:
a. Any USA 120VAC switched USA-spec electrical sockets with extension
b. One foreign adaptor to plug that USA-spec extension into foreign outlets

Note that most chargers work on the 50Hz/220VAC European spec power.
However note that zero USA electrical sockets in my experience "say"
anything about working at 220VAC but I've been using them for years on end,
so I can vouch for the fact that they _do_ work just fine in Europe.

Even the neon bulb in a USA-spec electrical extension doesn't burn out.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate helpful information.

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 by: Theo - Fri, 27 May 2022 18:31 UTC

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Similarly, taking along a plug adapter for whatever country you're
> > visiting is standard operating procedure for experienced travelers.
>
> For a smartphone I'd argue it's better to buy a local charger rather than
> use your home charger + adapter. It's much less clunky. The EU uses the
> same (or close enough not to matter) plug so only one is required.

I would tend to buy a multi-way socket strip in your home country, cut the
plug off, and fit whatever plug suits the country you're going to. Then you
have an N-way adapter rather than a travel adapter that never fits properly,
and you can plug in all your stuff in one go.

(if you can't buy foreign plugs locally, it's often possible to get hold of
leads for computers and such with a foreign plug - you might even have one
spare from last time you bought a TV or whatever and it came with several
leads in the box. Wiring one of those into a multiway strip is another
option, if the strip can be taken apart)

Although there is something to be said for buying a specific charger for
your target country (easily available on Amazon/etc), as it's less unwieldy
to use to charge on a train or similar and you can carry it around in case
you need a topup during the daytime.

Theo

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 by: sms - Fri, 27 May 2022 19:53 UTC

On 5/27/2022 10:37 AM, Chris wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Similarly, taking along a plug adapter for whatever country you're
>> visiting is standard operating procedure for experienced travelers.
>
> For a smartphone I'd argue it's better to buy a local charger rather than
> use your home charger + adapter. It's much less clunky. The EU uses the
> same (or close enough not to matter) plug so only one is required.

I use this one: <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2255799997576248.html>.

I got the version with the the European and UK plugs that slide on.

There's an advantage to having the UK plug even if you have no plans to
go to the UK. On airplanes with under seat electrical outlets, the
sockets for the U.S. and European plugs are often completely worn out
and the plugs fall out or don't make good contact. But the UK contacts
always seem to work just fine.

I also made up a three outlet U.S. power strip with a UK plug
<https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2261799986179171.html> to use on
airplanes since we typically want to plug in multiple devices and there
is not an outlet for every seat in a row.

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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Similarly, taking along a plug adapter for whatever country you're
>> > visiting is standard operating procedure for experienced travelers.
>>
>> For a smartphone I'd argue it's better to buy a local charger rather than
>> use your home charger + adapter. It's much less clunky. The EU uses the
>> same (or close enough not to matter) plug so only one is required.
>
> I would tend to buy a multi-way socket strip in your home country, cut the
> plug off, and fit whatever plug suits the country you're going to. Then you
> have an N-way adapter rather than a travel adapter that never fits properly,
> and you can plug in all your stuff in one go.

Of course then you need to verify that your equipment works on the
230VAC/50Hz used in the EU. That will likely not be a problem for
a phone charger or laptop supply, but do not connect your hairdryer
or shaver!

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 by: sms - Fri, 27 May 2022 20:21 UTC

On 5/27/2022 11:31 AM, Theo wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Similarly, taking along a plug adapter for whatever country you're
>>> visiting is standard operating procedure for experienced travelers.
>>
>> For a smartphone I'd argue it's better to buy a local charger rather than
>> use your home charger + adapter. It's much less clunky. The EU uses the
>> same (or close enough not to matter) plug so only one is required.
>
> I would tend to buy a multi-way socket strip in your home country, cut the
> plug off, and fit whatever plug suits the country you're going to. Then you
> have an N-way adapter rather than a travel adapter that never fits properly,
> and you can plug in all your stuff in one go.

LOL, you think like me! <https://i.imgur.com/5Gf39Gg.jpg> is what I
fabricated for the UK and to use on airplanes where the UK socket pins
tend to not be worn out so the plug stays in.

I wanted a small power strip so I got the three outlet ones. Amazon had
a good deal on them at about $2 each, but they discontinued them. Ikea
has them
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/koppla-3-outlet-power-strip-grounded-white-00086428/>.

I need to make some up for Europe as well. Once the pandemic is over, if
it is ever over, it'll be time to make up for the lost years of travel.

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 by: sms - Fri, 27 May 2022 22:38 UTC

On 5/27/2022 1:18 PM, Rob wrote:
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, taking along a plug adapter for whatever country you're
>>>> visiting is standard operating procedure for experienced travelers.
>>>
>>> For a smartphone I'd argue it's better to buy a local charger rather than
>>> use your home charger + adapter. It's much less clunky. The EU uses the
>>> same (or close enough not to matter) plug so only one is required.
>>
>> I would tend to buy a multi-way socket strip in your home country, cut the
>> plug off, and fit whatever plug suits the country you're going to. Then you
>> have an N-way adapter rather than a travel adapter that never fits properly,
>> and you can plug in all your stuff in one go.
>
> Of course then you need to verify that your equipment works on the
> 230VAC/50Hz used in the EU. That will likely not be a problem for
> a phone charger or laptop supply, but do not connect your hairdryer
> or shaver!

It's very rare to find an electric razor charger that doesn't work from
100-240V; there's a switching power supply in the plug that handles the
different AC voltage just fine.

Handheld hair dryers often have a switch to go between 120 and 240, even
many inexpensive ones, i.e. <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000094ZDX>.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 27 May 2022 23:37 UTC

In article <t6rjsl$eov$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Of course then you need to verify that your equipment works on the
> > 230VAC/50Hz used in the EU. That will likely not be a problem for
> > a phone charger or laptop supply, but do not connect your hairdryer
> > or shaver!
>
> It's very rare to find an electric razor charger that doesn't work from
> 100-240V; there's a switching power supply in the plug that handles the
> different AC voltage just fine.

the voltage is only part of the problem. the other, which affects
motors, is line frequency (50hz v. 60hz) because most devices use less
expensive synchronous motors.

it's rare that a razor would use a more expensive switching power
supply unless it was specifically designed to be used internationally.

> Handheld hair dryers often have a switch to go between 120 and 240, even
> many inexpensive ones, i.e. <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000094ZDX>.

again, that just handles the voltage, not the line frequency.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Sat, 28 May 2022 05:18 UTC

Am 28.05.22 um 01:37 schrieb nospam:
> In article <t6rjsl$eov$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Of course then you need to verify that your equipment works on the
>>> 230VAC/50Hz used in the EU. That will likely not be a problem for
>>> a phone charger or laptop supply, but do not connect your hairdryer
>>> or shaver!
>>
>> It's very rare to find an electric razor charger that doesn't work from
>> 100-240V; there's a switching power supply in the plug that handles the
>> different AC voltage just fine.
>
> the voltage is only part of the problem. the other, which affects
> motors, is line frequency (50hz v. 60hz) because most devices use less
> expensive synchronous motors.

Not relevant. Electrical devices work globally without problems from
110-240 Volt and all frequencies. Chargers and devices are bult for this
for decades. And that not only applies to razors.

Again a completely virtual discussion.

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