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From: noem...@none.com (AJL)
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Subject: Re: Will old phone work alright for modest user?
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 by: AJL - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 16:01 UTC

On 5/31/2022 10:57 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.05.22 um 23:05 schrieb micky:
>> AJL wrote: <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>>> And if I was calibrated I'd guess that [laptop case] tingle was
>>> at a 60 Hz rate?

>> Please don't get calibrated. You might want to have children some
>> day.

Too late. I'm up to 42 grand and greatgrandkids. Remembering names is my
biggest problem as my memory fades...

> In a geriatric group like this? Most of us are or could be grand
> parents.

Think that was a Micky quip. Perhaps lost in the translation.

> Micky, dont carry your cell around in the pocket of your pants ...

Perhaps good advice. Some have been burned by battery fires though not
all that many...

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 16:36 UTC

Am 01.06.22 um 18:01 schrieb AJL:
> On 5/31/2022 10:57 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Micky, dont carry your cell around in the pocket of your pants ...
>
> Perhaps good advice. Some have been burned by battery fires though not
> all that many...

High energy radiation on the balls from 2 inches
One sided loss of hair
Impotence

.... and much much more.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

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 by: AJL - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 16:48 UTC

On 6/1/2022 9:36 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 01.06.22 um 18:01 schrieb AJL:
>> On 5/31/2022 10:57 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

>>> Micky, dont carry your cell around in the pocket of your pants

>> Perhaps good advice. Some have been burned by battery fires though
>> not all that many...

> High energy radiation on the balls from 2 inches One sided loss of
> hair Impotence ... and much much more.

That's the spirit. A little levity (and less complaint) is great...

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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> **They can probably also turn off your current remotely?
>
> Don't think so.

When "smart meters" were first introduced here, the remote turn off
feature was the main reason why people refused to get them installed.

In a second generation this feature was dropped and now indeed it
can only do metering and no cut-off.

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 by: sms - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 23:49 UTC

On 6/1/2022 2:34 PM, Rob wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>> **They can probably also turn off your current remotely?
>>
>> Don't think so.
>
> When "smart meters" were first introduced here, the remote turn off
> feature was the main reason why people refused to get them installed.
>
> In a second generation this feature was dropped and now indeed it
> can only do metering and no cut-off.

Here they provided the option to keep a regular meter but you had to pay
extra each month for it because of costs incurred in sending out a meter
reader.

Smart meters created a whole new product, Faraday cages to go around
Smart Meters <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077YCCGJN>. If you're concerned
about Marshall Law, Peach Tree Dishes, or the Gazpacho, then you should
definitely buy one of these cages.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 04:38 UTC

Am 01.06.22 um 18:48 schrieb AJL:
> On 6/1/2022 9:36 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 01.06.22 um 18:01 schrieb AJL:
>>> On 5/31/2022 10:57 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
>>>> Micky, dont carry your cell around in the pocket of your pants
>
>>> Perhaps good advice. Some have been burned by battery fires though
>>> not all that many...
>
>> High energy radiation on the balls from 2 inches One sided loss of
>> hair Impotence ... and much much more.
>
> That's the spirit. A little levity (and less complaint) is great...
>
;-)

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

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 by: Andy Burns - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 07:04 UTC

Rob wrote:

> When "smart meters" were first introduced here

Where's "here", .nl perhaps?

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 by: Rob - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 07:16 UTC

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> When "smart meters" were first introduced here
>
> Where's "here", .nl perhaps?

Yes.

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 by: Rob - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 07:23 UTC

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 6/1/2022 2:34 PM, Rob wrote:
>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>>> **They can probably also turn off your current remotely?
>>>
>>> Don't think so.
>>
>> When "smart meters" were first introduced here, the remote turn off
>> feature was the main reason why people refused to get them installed.
>>
>> In a second generation this feature was dropped and now indeed it
>> can only do metering and no cut-off.
>
> Here they provided the option to keep a regular meter but you had to pay
> extra each month for it because of costs incurred in sending out a meter
> reader.

Before I had a smart meter, I did not see a meter reader for at least
15 years. I found a postcard in the mail yearly, asking me to write
the meter readings (2 for electricity and 1 for gas) and mail it back.
That later changed to "enter it on our website" and the card eventually
got replaced with an e-mail.
So that effectively already was remote reading of the meter, only
manually via the consumer.

After the smart meter was installed, I still have the option to do
it this way (I did that for about a year), or to have them read it
remotely. I now changed to that because the tariffs are now in a
big flux and I do not want them to guesstimate what my meter readings
are. They sometimes do that, e.g. when you did not return your meter
readings in time. In the past it never mattered, because when they
guessed too high or too low it would be compensated in an exact reading
the next year. But now that prices are going up so quickly, that
is not so obvious anymore.

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 by: micky - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 09:51 UTC

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 09:01:12 -0700, AJL
<noemail@none.com> wrote:

>On 6/1/2022 1:57 AM, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 31 May 2022 13:13:24 -0700, AJL
>> <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/31/2022 12:11 PM, Rob wrote:
>
>> My meter is outside, and now was replaced with one that can be
>> read** remotely. And the breaker box is in the basement.
>
>Very few basements here. Not sure why.
>
>> **They can probably also turn off your current remotely?
>
>Don't think so.

I guess I could fail to pay my bill again and find out that way.
>
>> They used to have to come to the house, and in Baltimore or Maryland,
>> you had to be home when they reconnected you.
>
>My guess is in case something was left on inside? Like a stove turned on?

I think so. One person left something on and caused some damage and
now we all have to be home.
>
>> Even though you didn't have to be home when you bought a home and had
>> the power connected.
>
>Then my guess is likely wrong.

No, I still think you're right, but all the home buyers would be upset
if they had to be there. In the prior case, they are living there
already and less trouble to be home.

>> I used to be late paying my bills, and I had the power disconnected.
>> Once I found plastic prong covers on the cement next to the meter,
>> and I figured out what they were doing, taking out the meter,
>> covering the prongs with plastic covers, and putting the meter back.
>> So once when he didn't come to reconnect it, I did it myself.
>
>Went house hunting with one of my kids and her husband years ago. One
>vacant house for sale had a large extension cord draped over the fence
>from a neighbor and hooked to the for sale house's fuse box stealing
>power. I advised the kids to not buy the house. They of course did
>anyway and the neighbor turned out to be a real nice guy.

LOL

>> When he showed up less than an hour later, I told him someone else
>> had come and done it. That was true if you counted me, but I wanted
>> him to think it was another employee. Later I figured out that he
>> had a region and he was the only one disconnecting or connecting
>> delinquent payers, so he knew I was lying, but he didnt' argue or
>> even sneer, he put the lead seal on the meter and left. (Another way
>> he knew it wasn't an electric employee. I had no lead seals.)
>>
>> After that I paid my bill so I guess he won.
>
>Gotta be careful. In one of my earlier lives I was in law enforcement
>and folks were charged criminally and booked for power theft...

Good point. But I had paid by then.

>> They didn't dig up my yard or my neighbors' when they installed
>> fiber. I don't t hink they even used a wiggler because in part of the
>> path to the box on the wall I have a bunch of bushes, I have to get
>> on my knees to go behind them and I certainly can't go through them.
>> And I have 6 feet wide cement slab for a "patio". I don't know how
>> they went under that but they did.
>
>My worry is that the 5' easement along the street in front of my house
>already carries the power, cable, and phone lines. So likely the fiber
>will also go there when (if?) it comes. Fiber already goes to a box in
>the area where the local cable comes from, just not to the houses.
>
>> Where are you.
>
>Phoenix area. Got here in 46. Pop then 100K, Pop now 5M. My suburb is
>currently in the top 50 for growth in the US. Ugh...
>
>> We have no overhead lines within 400 feet of my house, but from the
>> nearby main street there are, for the phone only I think, and down a
>> side street to just on the other side of the stream, and then over
>> the stream. The stream is about 2 feet deep in the middle but can go
>> up to 10 feet when it rains.
>
>I have a dry wash a block away. It only runs (trickles?) when there's an
>irrigation overflow. In rainy years past it ran when they had to let
>water out of the mountain lakes. But we're in severe drought now and
>water rationing is just around the corner...

Ugh.

>BTW for those who don't like OT just ignore it. IMO it's better than a
>dead group. But if you have to complain, just remember that your
>complaint is also OT... 8-O

LOL. Good points.

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 by: AJL - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:37 UTC

On 6/2/22 12:23 AM, Rob wrote:

>I found a postcard in the mail yearly, asking me to write
>the meter readings (2 for electricity and 1 for gas) and mail it back.
>That later changed to "enter it on our website" and the card eventually
>got replaced with an e-mail.
>So that effectively already was remote reading of the meter, only
>manually via the consumer.

Nothing like that here. I can have the monthly electric bill averaged though
I never have. The bill can be quite high here in the summer because of the
AC cost in this desert climate and that makes it easier on the wallet for
some folks when the bill comes smaller averaged chunks.

Back OnTopic, I bought a new toy yesterday. This Acer Chromebook for $98 US.
I'm surprised how well it works for that price. So I'm trying out my
(Android) PhoNews newsreader with it on this post. Please excuse any
screwups. The newsreader is a PITA to use compared to my favorite Android
newsreader Groundhog but Google doesn't allow anything but Playstore
downloads on Chromebooks without mods which I may try later. Course I
usually use Tbird (with W10) which IMO is the best. But where's the fun in
that. Ok here goes. And send...

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 by: Rob - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 17:10 UTC

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 6/2/22 12:23 AM, Rob wrote:
>
>
>>I found a postcard in the mail yearly, asking me to write
>>the meter readings (2 for electricity and 1 for gas) and mail it back.
>>That later changed to "enter it on our website" and the card eventually
>>got replaced with an e-mail.
>>So that effectively already was remote reading of the meter, only
>>manually via the consumer.
>
> Nothing like that here. I can have the monthly electric bill averaged though
> I never have. The bill can be quite high here in the summer because of the
> AC cost in this desert climate and that makes it easier on the wallet for
> some folks when the bill comes smaller averaged chunks.

That is standard here.
Does the electricity company read the meter every month?
Or has that only started with the introduction of smart meters?
Here we always have a yearly bill based on the yearly reading of the
meter, and an estimate is made for the next year (based on what you
used and what is the price for next year) and we make a monthly payment
of 1/12 that total year amount. At the end of this year the balance
is made up and you pay a little more or less in that month.

> Back OnTopic, I bought a new toy yesterday. This Acer Chromebook for $98 US.
> I'm surprised how well it works for that price. So I'm trying out my
> (Android) PhoNews newsreader with it on this post. Please excuse any
> screwups. The newsreader is a PITA to use compared to my favorite Android
> newsreader Groundhog but Google doesn't allow anything but Playstore
> downloads on Chromebooks without mods which I may try later. Course I
> usually use Tbird (with W10) which IMO is the best. But where's the fun in
> that. Ok here goes. And send...

Chromebooks are the best! I have no experience with such cheap ones,
but I am on my second Chromebook, a HP. This one can also run plain
Debian Linux as a VM (listed somewhere as "experimental Linux")
and you can run standard Linux software in that.

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 by: AJL - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 18:02 UTC

On 6/2/2022 10:10 AM, Rob wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

> Does the electricity company read the meter every month? Or has that
> only started with the introduction of smart meters?

Our bills have always come every month. In the old days they were snail
mailed and I mailed back a check. Now the bill notice comes by email and
unless I intervene it is automatically deducted from my checking
account. My electric company emails me a graph every week showing my
usage for each day, so my meter is apparently read daily.

>> I bought a new toy yesterday. This Acer Chromebook for $98 US. I'm
>> surprised how well it works for that price.

> Chromebooks are the best! I have no experience with such cheap ones,
> but I am on my second Chromebook, a HP.

I'm on my third Chromebook. I kept a Samsung Chromebook Pro for several
years and it worked well. It's with a grandkid now. I currently have a
Chrome OS tablet that they call a Chromebook because it came with a
detachable keyboard. It has some weird problems like when I unplug the
charger, music starts. And #3 my new cheapie. I've also
run into a problem on it's Android. It won't run the Kindle app. The
Play Store doesn't say why, just that it won't run on my
device. Weird, huh...

> This one can also run plain Debian Linux as a VM (listed somewhere
> as "experimental Linux") and you can run standard Linux software in
> that.

I've read how to put Linux on mine but haven't tried it yet.

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 by: Rob - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 19:56 UTC

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 6/2/2022 10:10 AM, Rob wrote:
>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>> Does the electricity company read the meter every month? Or has that
>> only started with the introduction of smart meters?
>
> Our bills have always come every month. In the old days they were snail
> mailed and I mailed back a check. Now the bill notice comes by email and
> unless I intervene it is automatically deducted from my checking
> account. My electric company emails me a graph every week showing my
> usage for each day, so my meter is apparently read daily.

The regular reading is only used for annoying mails about how much
you have saved lately (or overspent) relative to average, not to
determine the monthly pay. That is always constant, although you
can adjust it e.g. when circumstances change.

>>> I bought a new toy yesterday. This Acer Chromebook for $98 US. I'm
>>> surprised how well it works for that price.
>
>> Chromebooks are the best! I have no experience with such cheap ones,
>> but I am on my second Chromebook, a HP.
>
> I'm on my third Chromebook. I kept a Samsung Chromebook Pro for several
> years and it worked well. It's with a grandkid now. I currently have a
> Chrome OS tablet that they call a Chromebook because it came with a
> detachable keyboard. It has some weird problems like when I unplug the
> charger, music starts. And #3 my new cheapie. I've also
> run into a problem on it's Android. It won't run the Kindle app. The
> Play Store doesn't say why, just that it won't run on my
> device. Weird, huh...

This is a generic problem with Android. I have Android TV on a TV
set and also on an external Android TV box. Some apps do not work
on one, some do not work on another. And also on the Chromebook some
apps don't work, the repertoire appears to be similar to the TV set.
I have no idea why that really is, but I guess it is for content
protection reasons.

>> This one can also run plain Debian Linux as a VM (listed somewhere
>> as "experimental Linux") and you can run standard Linux software in
>> that.
>
> I've read how to put Linux on mine but haven't tried it yet.

It is not "replacing ChromeOS with Linux". It is running Linux alongside
ChromeOS (it resembles an app). Much like Android is running alongside
ChromeOS.

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On 6/2/2022 12:56 PM, Rob wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>> Our bills have always come every month. In the old days they were
>> snail mailed and I mailed back a check. Now the bill notice comes
>> by email and unless I intervene it is automatically deducted from
>> my checking account. My electric company emails me a graph every
>> week showing my usage for each day, so my meter is apparently read
>> daily.

> The regular reading is only used for annoying mails about how much
> you have saved lately (or overspent) relative to average, not to
> determine the monthly pay.

I'm assuming you're talking about your electric company. I don't know
how the software of my electric company actually determines my usage
that in turn is used to generate my monthly bill. Two possibilities I
can think of are that it could take the difference from the first to
last day of the month's readings or it could keep a running total of the
daily readings I mentioned above. When someone here moves into a new
house the service can be transferred mid-month so I'm GUESSING that it's
a running daily total...

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 by: micky - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 08:31 UTC

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 2 Jun 2022 11:02:44 -0700, AJL
<noemail@none.com> wrote:

>On 6/2/2022 10:10 AM, Rob wrote:
>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>> Does the electricity company read the meter every month? Or has that
>> only started with the introduction of smart meters?
>
>Our bills have always come every month. In the old days they were snail
>mailed and I mailed back a check. Now the bill notice comes by email and
>unless I intervene it is automatically deducted from my checking
>account. My electric company emails me a graph every week showing my
>usage for each day, so my meter is apparently read daily.

I think they hire out of work artists, poets, and writers to just
imagine what the graph might look like.

It creates employment and makes the customers happy.

>>> I bought a new toy yesterday. This Acer Chromebook for $98 US. I'm
>>> surprised how well it works for that price.
>
>> Chromebooks are the best! I have no experience with such cheap ones,
>> but I am on my second Chromebook, a HP.
>
>I'm on my third Chromebook. I kept a Samsung Chromebook Pro for several
>years and it worked well. It's with a grandkid now. I currently have a
>Chrome OS tablet that they call a Chromebook because it came with a
>detachable keyboard. It has some weird problems like when I unplug the
>charger, music starts.

LOL. It's probably in your mind.

>And #3 my new cheapie. I've also
>run into a problem on it's Android. It won't run the Kindle app. The
>Play Store doesn't say why, just that it won't run on my
>device. Weird, huh...
>
>> This one can also run plain Debian Linux as a VM (listed somewhere
>> as "experimental Linux") and you can run standard Linux software in
>> that.
>
>I've read how to put Linux on mine but haven't tried it yet.
>

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 12:43 UTC

On 2022-05-26 01:58, micky wrote:
> Will old phone work alright for modest user?
>
> I have a friend going on a european vacation for about 3 weeks. He was
> going to do as he's done in the past, rent a semi-smart phone, and I
> think the cheapest is 6 dollars a day, or 120 dollars.
>
> I'm trying to convince him to buy a second-hand smart phone, so he'll
> still have it when he gets back, but I'll look pretty stupid and he'll
> be greatly inconvenienced if I talk him into the wrong thing.

I have no time now to read all the answer, so here goes my experience.

Right now I have visitors from the other side of the pond. One has an
old phone with double SIM capability, so no problem. Another person
doesn't, so I let her an old phone of mine with Android 7, a Motorola
X-Play, I think it is. Works fine.

Visitor #1 has a problem with text messages with tiny graphical content,
so MMS. Phone can not download it. Of course, data roaming is disabled
for everybody.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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 by: vjp2...@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - Sat, 18 Jun 2022 16:28 UTC

About ten years ago, I thought "If these firms are reselling Chinese phones,
why not get one from China myself?" Oy! First one was a Feiteng and it had
fake imei. Next I got China Mobile from Alibaba, and it took a week for the
network to shut it down, same reason. Then I got Blu from Amazon, and 2G dies
so I got a 4G Blu, which works fine. I get RedPocket annual prepaid (like
$180 for 100 min). Mint has a similar deal.

--
Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---

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 by: The Real Bev - Sat, 18 Jun 2022 18:44 UTC

On 6/18/22 9:28 AM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> About ten years ago, I thought "If these firms are reselling Chinese phones,
> why not get one from China myself?" Oy! First one was a Feiteng and it had
> fake imei. Next I got China Mobile from Alibaba, and it took a week for the
> network to shut it down, same reason. Then I got Blu from Amazon, and 2G dies
> so I got a 4G Blu, which works fine. I get RedPocket annual prepaid (like
> $180 for 100 min). Mint has a similar deal.
>
I had a BLU for a while. The camera sucked and the GPS frequently added
one-mile excursions from the actual track. I was amazed to find that I
had skied on both bare dirt and the middle of a lake.

Maybe the new ones are better.

--
Cheers, Bev
Vampireware; n, a project capable of sucking the lifeblood
out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it,
which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless
refuses to die. -- Trygve Lode

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