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* Can #include virtual start with a slash ?Gentsquash
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Subject: Can #include virtual start with a slash ?
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 by: Gentsquash - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:29 UTC

The server on my home computer points

"http://localhost/~squash/"

to "~/Sites/" where all my .html and .shtml files reside.

Every .html file has

<BASE HREF="http://localhost/~squash/">

in the header

Under "~/Sites/" is a subdirectory "~/Sites/Include/"
intended for statements such as

<!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" -->

Is it legal, and does it mean anything, to have an initial
slash, i.e

<!--#include virtual="/Include/file.shtml" -->

If the is latter is legal, what does it mean relative to
the former? -Thank you, all.

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 by: Phillip Helbig (undr - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 13:41 UTC

In article <414e193e-b966-4c69-bd84-9cb2cec04764n@googlegroups.com>,
Gentsquash <gentsquash@gmail.com> writes:

> The server on my home computer points
>
> "http://localhost/~squash/"
>
> to "~/Sites/" where all my .html and .shtml files reside.
>
> Every .html file has
>
> <BASE HREF="http://localhost/~squash/">
>
> in the header
>
> Under "~/Sites/" is a subdirectory "~/Sites/Include/"
> intended for statements such as
>
> <!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" -->
>
>
> Is it legal, and does it mean anything, to have an initial
> slash, i.e
>
> <!--#include virtual="/Include/file.shtml" -->
>
> If the is latter is legal, what does it mean relative to
> the former? -Thank you, all.

Do both work for ALL the browsers you've tried?

Try inserting two slashes instead of one in some URL. Does it still
work?

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From: gtay...@tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
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 by: Grant Taylor - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:22 UTC

On 6/8/22 6:29 AM, Gentsquash wrote:
> Under "~/Sites/" is a subdirectory "~/Sites/Include/" intended for
> statements such as
>
> <!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" -->

I assume that you're talking about Server Side Include (a.k.a. SSI).

> Is it legal, and does it mean anything, to have an initial slash, i.e
>
> <!--#include virtual="/Include/file.shtml" -->

Yes and yes.

> If the is latter is legal, what does it mean relative to the former?

The leading slash means that the included file is relative to Document_Root.

The lack of leading slash means that the included file is relative to
the directory the file doing the include is in.

> -Thank you, all.

You're welcome.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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 by: Gentsquash - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:21 UTC

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:21:57 AM UTC-4, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 6/8/22 6:29 AM, Gentsquash wrote:

> > Under "~/Sites/" is a subdirectory "~/Sites/Include/" intended for
> > statements such as
> >
> > <!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" -->

> I assume that you're talking about Server Side Include (a.k.a. SSI).

Thank you, Grant. Yes, I meant Server Side Include [it's
been about 15 years since I studied html, and I have
forgotten everything ... until I recently moved files, and
broke stuff.]

> > Is it legal, and does it mean anything, to have an initial slash, i.e
> >
> > <!--#include virtual="/Include/file.shtml" -->

....

> The leading slash means that the included file is relative to Document_Root.
>
> The lack of leading slash means that the included file is relative to
> the directory the file doing the include is in.

Ah. I thought that

<!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" -->

was relative to the

<BASE HREF="http://localhost/~squash/">

Grant are you saying this:

In file

~/Sites/A/B/C/Grant.html

suppose I have

<BASE HREF="http://localhost/~squash/">

Does

<!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" -->

search for a file called

~/Sites/A/B/C/Include/file.html

whereas (putting in a leading-slash)

<!--#include virtual="/Include/file.shtml" -->

searches for

~/Sites/Include/file.html

?

Thanks again for your help, Grant. --Jonathan

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 by: Arno Welzel - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 17:17 UTC

Gentsquash:

[...]
> Ah. I thought that
>
> <!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" -->
>
> was relative to the
>
> <BASE HREF="http://localhost/~squash/">

No. The latter one is just HTML to tell the browser which URL should be
used a base for *relative* URLs:

<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/base>

This has nothing to do with <!--#include virtual="..." --> which runs on
the *server* and will get executed the to include a file on the *server*
before the content will be sent to the browser.

> Grant are you saying this:
>
> In file
>
> ~/Sites/A/B/C/Grant.html
>
> suppose I have
>
> <BASE HREF="http://localhost/~squash/">

Than this BASE does exactly *nothing* for the include command! The
include command will always work the same, no matter if you have <BASE>
nor not - the server won't care.

> Does
>
> <!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" -->
>
> search for a file called
>
> ~/Sites/A/B/C/Include/file.html
>
> whereas (putting in a leading-slash)
>
> <!--#include virtual="/Include/file.shtml" -->
>
> searches for
>
> ~/Sites/Include/file.html
>
> ?

Stop thinking in URLs. Only the local file system is relevant.

--
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https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Grant Taylor - Thu, 9 Jun 2022 04:07 UTC

On 6/8/22 10:21 AM, Gentsquash wrote:
> Thank you, Grant.

You're welcome.

> Yes, I meant Server Side Include [it's been about 15 years since I
> studied html, and I have forgotten everything ... until I recently
> moved files, and broke stuff.]

I get it.

> Ah. I thought that
>
> <!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" -->
>
> was relative to the
>
> <BASE HREF="http://localhost/~squash/">

Nope.

<!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" --> is processed /server/ side.

<BASE HREF="http://localhost/~squash/"> is processed /client/ side.

> Grant are you saying this:

I'm going to provide a different example that completely ignores BASE as
it's unrelated to SSI.

Assume the following is in the file:

<!--#include virtual="Include/file.shtml" -->

If said file is located in $DOCUMENT_ROOT/, then the server will try to
include the $DOCUMENT_ROOT/Include/file.shtml file.

If said file is located in $DOCUMENT_ROOT/subdir1/subdirA/, then the
server will try to include the
$DOCUMENT_ROOT/subdir1/subdirA/Include/file.shtml file.

Conversely if I put the following in the file:

<!--#include virtual="/Include/file.shtml" -->

Then the server will always try to include the
$DOCUMENT_ROOT/Include/file.shtml file, no matter where I put the file
that's doing the inclusion.

$DOCUMENT_ROOT is a setting in the web server that specifies the root of
the web site. It can be just about anywhere on the file system you want.

Do a find & replace on $DOCUMENT_ROOT for wherever your web site is
rooted; e.g. /var/www/vhost/gentsquash/public_html or
~gentsquash/public_html. The second is itself dependent on where your
home directory is located.

> Thanks again for your help, Grant. --Jonathan

:-)

--
Grant. . . .
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 by: Grant Taylor - Thu, 9 Jun 2022 04:11 UTC

On 6/8/22 10:07 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> <BASE HREF="http://localhost/~squash/"> is processed /client/ side.

The <BASE HREF="..."> is used /client/ side by the web browser to
prepend the location to pull unqualified resources from. E.g.

<img src="/pictures/selfie.jpg">

Causes the web browser to prepend the BASE HREF
(http://localhost/~squash/) to the image source (/pictures/selfie.jpg)
thus requesting the full URL (http://localhost/~squash//pictures/selfie.jpg)

Aside: I'm leaving the double slash as it naturally occurs with the two
examples.

Also, the source for the image can be fully pathed (as I've depecited)
or it can be relative to the page referencing it. Qualification is a
common theme.

--
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 by: Gentsquash - Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:53 UTC

Thank you, Grant, for the detailed explanation, and also
thank you Amo for your helpful explanation; I understand
things better now.
Cheers, -Jonathan

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Subject: Re: Can #include virtual start with a slash ?
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 00:56:03 -0600
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 by: Grant Taylor - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 06:56 UTC

On 6/10/22 3:53 PM, Gentsquash wrote:
> Thank you, Grant, for the detailed explanation,

You're welcome.

> I understand things better now.

That was the intention. :-)

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