I collect my email from GMail using POP3 and with the setting on my GMail
account to permit "less secure access". I understand this access will become
unavailable on 30 May. What version(s) of Agent will work with GMail and
their newer authorization requirements?

On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 07:49:51 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 08:49:15 -0500, Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>
>> I collect my email from GMail using POP3 and with the setting on my GMail
>> account to permit "less secure access". I understand this access will become
>> unavailable on 30 May. What version(s) of Agent will work with GMail and
>> their newer authorization requirements?
>
>
> Almost any version of Agent can use an "App Password".
>
> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255#zippy=%2Cuse-an-app-password>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> To help keep your account secure, starting May 30, 2022, Google
> will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices
> which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your
> username and password.
> ...
> Fix problems
> Can’t use an app with my Google Account
> * ...
> * ...
> * Use an App Password
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> In my experience you need to turn on two factor authentication before
> you can create an app password. You can turn off two factor
> authentication after creating the app password, and the app password
> will still work.
>
> I have been using an app password in Agent with Google's "less secure
> access" turned off, for years.

Many thanks, I will give that a try.

Off-thread question, but does anyone know whether Agent's maintenance and/or
development have been ceased/abandoned? I see the Forté web site remains but
nothing has been fixed (e.g. open first attachment in composition window) or
newly added within the past 8 years.

In Message-ID:<3dp42h17n4a76dpan96u2ig736vap4udat@4ax.com>,
"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

>Off-thread question, but does anyone know whether Agent's maintenance and/or
>development have been ceased/abandoned? I see the Forté web site remains but
>nothing has been fixed (e.g. open first attachment in composition window) or
>newly added within the past 8 years.

I don't believe they've made it official, but many of us think it is
so.

Some people have been told by Agent Support to try this newsgroup to
find answers to their problems. I consider that evidence. That goes
back at least to 2018.

--
Arthur T. - ar23hur "at" pobox "dot" com

"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

>Off-thread question, but does anyone know whether Agent's maintenance and/or
>development have been ceased/abandoned? I see the Forté web site remains but
>nothing has been fixed (e.g. open first attachment in composition window) or
>newly added within the past 8 years.

The number of people who know what Usenet is, much less be using it can be
counted on one hand these days making the economics of maintenance impossible.

It has been suggested the the code be open-sourced, but someone reported that
Agent uses third party libraries that retain their copywrite protection.
Attempting to replace those would be difficult.

--
Usenet: The world's first (and best) social network.

Arthur Conan Doyle <dont@bother.com> wrote:

>It has been suggested the the code be open-sourced, but someone reported that
>Agent uses third party libraries that retain their copywrite protection.
>Attempting to replace those would be difficult.

And of course I meant copyright...

--
Usenet: The world's first (and best) social network.

On 4 Mar 2022, "Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent:

> I collect my email from GMail using POP3 and with the setting on my GMail
> account to permit "less secure access". I understand this access will become
> unavailable on 30 May. What version(s) of Agent will work with GMail and
> their newer authorization requirements?

Google says you can use the App Password option but that REQUIRES 2FA at
least once. Better to use OAUTH2 with Forte Free Agent and all mail clients.

On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 07:49:51 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 08:49:15 -0500, Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>
>> I collect my email from GMail using POP3 and with the setting on my GMail
>> account to permit "less secure access". I understand this access will become
>> unavailable on 30 May. What version(s) of Agent will work with GMail and
>> their newer authorization requirements?
>
>
> Almost any version of Agent can use an "App Password".
>
> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255#zippy=%2Cuse-an-app-password>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> To help keep your account secure, starting May 30, 2022, Google
> will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices
> which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your
> username and password.
> ...
> Fix problems
> Can’t use an app with my Google Account
> * ...
> * ...
> * Use an App Password
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> In my experience you need to turn on two factor authentication before
> you can create an app password. You can turn off two factor
> authentication after creating the app password, and the app password
> will still work.
>
> I have been using an app password in Agent with Google's "less secure
> access" turned off, for years.

I finally fould time to try this and I am struggling.

1) I turn off Less secure app access
2) I turn on two step verification
3) I generate a 16 digit app password
3) I can now pull mail with those new settings.

The problem is that if I then turn off two step verification the mail client
fails. And the suggested DisplayUnlockCaptcha page does not help.

Any ideas?

As two step verification is new to me I don't yet know the practical
implications of having to live with that setting.

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:58:39 -0400, "Anthony R. Gold"
<not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 07:49:51 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 08:49:15 -0500, Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>>
>>> I collect my email from GMail using POP3 and with the setting on my GMail
>>> account to permit "less secure access". I understand this access will become
>>> unavailable on 30 May. What version(s) of Agent will work with GMail and
>>> their newer authorization requirements?
>>
>>
>> Almost any version of Agent can use an "App Password".
>>
>> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255#zippy=%2Cuse-an-app-password>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> To help keep your account secure, starting May 30, 2022, Google
>> will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices
>> which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your
>> username and password.
>> ...
>> Fix problems
>> Can’t use an app with my Google Account
>> * ...
>> * ...
>> * Use an App Password
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> In my experience you need to turn on two factor authentication before
>> you can create an app password. You can turn off two factor
>> authentication after creating the app password, and the app password
>> will still work.
>>
>> I have been using an app password in Agent with Google's "less secure
>> access" turned off, for years.
>
>I finally fould time to try this and I am struggling.
>
>1) I turn off Less secure app access
>2) I turn on two step verification
>3) I generate a 16 digit app password
>3) I can now pull mail with those new settings.
>
>The problem is that if I then turn off two step verification the mail client
>fails. And the suggested DisplayUnlockCaptcha page does not help.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>As two step verification is new to me I don't yet know the practical
>implications of having to live with that setting.

Many banks and more and more others are using 2FA. I have most send me
an email code which I enter the answer question. Others use your phone
number (voice or cell) to send a code and others can't make up their
mind.

KenW

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:58:39 -0400, "Anthony R. Gold"
<not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

> I finally fould time to try this and I am struggling.
>
> 1) I turn off Less secure app access
> 2) I turn on two step verification
> 3) I generate a 16 digit app password
> 3) I can now pull mail with those new settings.
>
> The problem is that if I then turn off two step verification the mail client
> fails. And the suggested DisplayUnlockCaptcha page does not help.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> As two step verification is new to me I don't yet know the practical
> implications of having to live with that setting.

Apparently the created app password(s) that had been displayed at
https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords are no longer shown there and so I
presume they are deleted/revoked upon switching two step verification off.

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 14:03:39 -0400, "Anthony R. Gold"
<not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:58:39 -0400, "Anthony R. Gold"
><not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I finally fould time to try this and I am struggling.
>>
>> 1) I turn off Less secure app access
>> 2) I turn on two step verification
>> 3) I generate a 16 digit app password
>> 3) I can now pull mail with those new settings.
>>
>> The problem is that if I then turn off two step verification the mail client
>> fails. And the suggested DisplayUnlockCaptcha page does not help.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> As two step verification is new to me I don't yet know the practical
>> implications of having to live with that setting.
>
>Apparently the created app password(s) that had been displayed at
>https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords are no longer shown there and so I
>presume they are deleted/revoked upon switching two step verification off.

I switched to using the web to read the mail. Gmail is not my main
email. I have a private company which I use Agent on.

KenW

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:24:16 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:58:39 -0400, "Anthony R. Gold"
><not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 07:49:51 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 08:49:15 -0500, Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>>>
>>>> I collect my email from GMail using POP3 and with the setting on my GMail
>>>> account to permit "less secure access". I understand this access will become
>>>> unavailable on 30 May. What version(s) of Agent will work with GMail and
>>>> their newer authorization requirements?
>>>
>>>
>>> Almost any version of Agent can use an "App Password".
>>>
>>> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255#zippy=%2Cuse-an-app-password>
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> To help keep your account secure, starting May 30, 2022, Google
>>> will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices
>>> which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your
>>> username and password.
>>> ...
>>> Fix problems
>>> Can’t use an app with my Google Account
>>> * ...
>>> * ...
>>> * Use an App Password
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> In my experience you need to turn on two factor authentication before
>>> you can create an app password. You can turn off two factor
>>> authentication after creating the app password, and the app password
>>> will still work.
>>>
>>> I have been using an app password in Agent with Google's "less secure
>>> access" turned off, for years.
>>
>>I finally fould time to try this and I am struggling.
>>
>>1) I turn off Less secure app access
>>2) I turn on two step verification
>>3) I generate a 16 digit app password
>>3) I can now pull mail with those new settings.
>>
>>The problem is that if I then turn off two step verification the mail client
>>fails. And the suggested DisplayUnlockCaptcha page does not help.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>As two step verification is new to me I don't yet know the practical
>>implications of having to live with that setting.
>
>Many banks and more and more others are using 2FA. I have most send me
>an email code which I enter the answer question. Others use your phone
>number (voice or cell) to send a code and others can't make up their
>mind.

Beware. This is not true two-factor authentication in that if your
computer or cellphone is corrupted, a hacker will have both factors in
hand, and can go to town.

If both phone and computer are needed, these being physically distinct
devices, then the hacker has a very much harder problem, probably hard
enough to make the attack unprofitable.

If the second factor is something like a RSA SecureID fob, the problem
becomes so difficult that only an intelligence agency has a prayer.
But this has happened, when someone penetrated RSA itself. It will
not have been some random hacker in a basement for sure.

Joe Gwinn

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:58:39 -0400, Anthony R. Gold wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 07:49:51 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 08:49:15 -0500, Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>>
>>> I collect my email from GMail using POP3 and with the setting on my GMail
>>> account to permit "less secure access". I understand this access will become
>>> unavailable on 30 May. What version(s) of Agent will work with GMail and
>>> their newer authorization requirements?
>>
>>
>> Almost any version of Agent can use an "App Password".
>>
>> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255#zippy=%2Cuse-an-app-password>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> To help keep your account secure, starting May 30, 2022, Google
>> will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices
>> which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your
>> username and password.
>> ...
>> Fix problems
>> Can’t use an app with my Google Account
>> * ...
>> * ...
>> * Use an App Password
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> In my experience you need to turn on two factor authentication before
>> you can create an app password. You can turn off two factor
>> authentication after creating the app password, and the app password
>> will still work.
>>
>> I have been using an app password in Agent with Google's "less secure
>> access" turned off, for years.
>
> I finally fould time to try this and I am struggling.
>
> 1) I turn off Less secure app access
> 2) I turn on two step verification
> 3) I generate a 16 digit app password
> 3) I can now pull mail with those new settings.
>
> The problem is that if I then turn off two step verification the mail client
> fails. And the suggested DisplayUnlockCaptcha page does not help.
>
> Any ideas?

Since I posted that, I have read that things have changed since I last
created an app password. Apparently you now have to leave 2 factor
authentication turned on for your new app password to keep working.

My old app password still worked without 2SV when I posted the above.
(I don't yet know whether turning 2SV on and off again will stop it ]
working.)

> As two step verification is new to me I don't yet know the practical
> implications of having to live with that setting.

It will not affect Agent fetching mail from Gmail.

With 2SV turned on, when I log into Google or Gmail on the web I get
a pop-up on my Android phone asking to confirm that it is me. The
login does not complete until I acknowledge the pop-up on my Android
phone.

--
Kind regards
Ralph

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 08:34:21 +1200, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:58:39 -0400, Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 07:49:51 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 08:49:15 -0500, Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>>>
>>>> I collect my email from GMail using POP3 and with the setting on my GMail
>>>> account to permit "less secure access". I understand this access will become
>>>> unavailable on 30 May. What version(s) of Agent will work with GMail and
>>>> their newer authorization requirements?
>>>
>>>
>>> Almost any version of Agent can use an "App Password".
>>>
>>> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255#zippy=%2Cuse-an-app-password>
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> To help keep your account secure, starting May 30, 2022, Google
>>> will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices
>>> which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your
>>> username and password.
>>> ...
>>> Fix problems
>>> Can’t use an app with my Google Account
>>> * ...
>>> * ...
>>> * Use an App Password
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> In my experience you need to turn on two factor authentication before
>>> you can create an app password. You can turn off two factor
>>> authentication after creating the app password, and the app password
>>> will still work.
>>>
>>> I have been using an app password in Agent with Google's "less secure
>>> access" turned off, for years.
>>
>> I finally fould time to try this and I am struggling.
>>
>> 1) I turn off Less secure app access
>> 2) I turn on two step verification
>> 3) I generate a 16 digit app password
>> 3) I can now pull mail with those new settings.
>>
>> The problem is that if I then turn off two step verification the mail client
>> fails. And the suggested DisplayUnlockCaptcha page does not help.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
>
> Since I posted that, I have read that things have changed since I last
> created an app password. Apparently you now have to leave 2 factor
> authentication turned on for your new app password to keep working.

Many thanks for confirming that.
> My old app password still worked without 2SV when I posted the above.
> (I don't yet know whether turning 2SV on and off again will stop it ]
> working.)

For me, turning off 2SV results in the deletion of all the app passwords.
>> As two step verification is new to me I don't yet know the practical
>> implications of having to live with that setting.
>
> It will not affect Agent fetching mail from Gmail.
>
> With 2SV turned on, when I log into Google or Gmail on the web I get
> a pop-up on my Android phone asking to confirm that it is me. The
> login does not complete until I acknowledge the pop-up on my Android
> phone.

It seems we can reduce/prevent that with "remember this device", so it will
only nag if and when using a new device.

Thanks again for all.

On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 09:07:56 -0500, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

>On 4 Mar 2022, "Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in
>alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent:
>
>> I collect my email from GMail using POP3 and with the setting on my GMail
>> account to permit "less secure access". I understand this access will become
>> unavailable on 30 May. What version(s) of Agent will work with GMail and
>> their newer authorization requirements?
>
>Google says you can use the App Password option but that REQUIRES 2FA at
>least once. Better to use OAUTH2 with Forte Free Agent and all mail clients.

Would it be at all possible for someone to setout concisely what needs to be done to keep Forte
Agent working with Gmail accounts after the 30th May 2022?

I am at a total loss on this.

Thanks in advance for all replies.

On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:54:57 +1000, nobody@here.invalid wrote:

> Would it be at all possible for someone to setout concisely what needs to be done to keep Forte
> Agent working with Gmail accounts after the 30th May 2022?

The concise answer is: Replace your main Google/Gmail account password
in Agent with an "App Password" from Google.

screen-shot: <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=25_k4m67h5c_replace-google-password-with-app-password.png>

To get an "App Password" from Google you must sign in to your Google
account on the web, and you must also enable 2-step verification.

REF: See the sub-heading "Use an App Password" here:
<https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255#zippy=%2Cuse-an-app-password>

REF: See "Sign in with App Passwords"
<https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833>

--
Kind regards
Ralph

Ne sceal man to ær forht ne to ær fægen. -- Durham Proverbs #23.