nospam wrote:

>> The headphone jack comes up again in number 16a and in 159a for the FM
>> radio feature but that doesn't apply to iPhones or iPads anyway.
>
> nor does it apply to most android phones because most of them do not
> have an fm radio. of the phones that do, it's a feature that's rarely
> used because it's at best inconvenient, more commonly, does not work.

You can't blame the iKooks like nospam because they all have a low IQ and
are completely ignorant that FM radio is in _most_ Android phones.

It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality from.

> streaming audio is a much better option, which includes nearly any fm
> station in the world (versus only a few nearby), as well as nearly any
> am station in the world, services such as spotify or apple music (both
> of which are available on android), podcast networks and much more.

You can't blame the iKooks like nospam because they all have a low IQ and
are completely ignorant that FM radio is _different_ from Internet radio.

> also, the quality of streaming audio is not limited to 15khz, as is the
> case with fm radio. this thread began being about high quality audio,
> and fm radio ain't it.

You can't blame the iKooks like nospam because they all have a low IQ and
are completely ignorant that FM radio is useful in emergencies, where the
fidelity isn't what the user cares about when there's no Internet around.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information,
where it's no longer shocking how _ignorant_ the iKooks are when defending
Apple's inexorable removal of basic hardware & software functionality.

On 2022-06-27 17:55, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> The headphone jack comes up again in number 16a and in 159a for the FM
>>> radio feature but that doesn't apply to iPhones or iPads anyway.
>>
>> nor does it apply to most android phones because most of them do not
>> have an fm radio. of the phones that do, it's a feature that's rarely
>> used because it's at best inconvenient, more commonly, does not work.
>
> You can't blame the iKooks like nospam because they all have a low IQ and
> are completely ignorant that FM radio is in _most_ Android phones.

Nope. Not by any definition of "most" that's rational.

>
> It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality from.

Nope. No iPhone ever had an FM radio functionality.

In article <t9dmkn$usse$5@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> > It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality from.
>
> Nope. No iPhone ever had an FM radio functionality.

'fm radio functionality' is available via a wide variety apps, which
are able to stream fm stations from anywhere in the world rather than
being limited to within 20-30 miles and without being forced to use
headphones. it's also not limited to only fm, but includes a wide
variety of sources. it's called progress.

On 6/27/22 6:48 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-06-27 17:55, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> nospam wrote:
>>
>>>> The headphone jack comes up again in number 16a and in 159a for the FM
>>>> radio feature but that doesn't apply to iPhones or iPads anyway.
>>>
>>> nor does it apply to most android phones because most of them do not
>>> have an fm radio. of the phones that do, it's a feature that's rarely
>>> used because it's at best inconvenient, more commonly, does not work.
>>
>> You can't blame the iKooks like nospam because they all have a low IQ and
>> are completely ignorant that FM radio is in _most_ Android phones.
>
> Nope. Not by any definition of "most" that's rational.
>
>>
>> It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality from.
>
> Nope. No iPhone ever had an FM radio functionality.

iPod Nano did though.

On 2022-06-27 20:19, John wrote:
> On 6/27/22 6:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-06-27 17:55, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> nospam wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The headphone jack comes up again in number 16a and in 159a for the FM
>>>>> radio feature but that doesn't apply to iPhones or iPads anyway.
>>>>
>>>> nor does it apply to most android phones because most of them do not
>>>> have an fm radio. of the phones that do, it's a feature that's rarely
>>>> used because it's at best inconvenient, more commonly, does not work.
>>>
>>> You can't blame the iKooks like nospam because they all have a low IQ
>>> and
>>> are completely ignorant that FM radio is in _most_ Android phones.
>>
>> Nope. Not by any definition of "most" that's rational.
>>
>>>
>>> It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality from.
>>
>> Nope. No iPhone ever had an FM radio functionality.
>
>
> iPod Nano did though.
>

Great.

An iPod Nano is not an iPhone.

nospam wrote:

>>> It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality from.
>>
>> Nope. No iPhone ever had an FM radio functionality.
>
> 'fm radio functionality' is available via a wide variety apps, which
> are able to stream fm stations from anywhere in the world rather than
> being limited to within 20-30 miles and without being forced to use
> headphones. it's also not limited to only fm, but includes a wide
> variety of sources. it's called progress.

Since you're a low-IQ iKook nospam, it's _expected_ you'll be completely
ignorant that FM radio is completely _different_ from Internet radio.

That you can't possibly fathom even basic concepts typical for you iKooks.

You're _desperate_ to excuse the inordinately basic iPhone hardware faults.

John wrote:

>>> It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality from.
>>
>> Nope. No iPhone ever had an FM radio functionality.
>
> iPod Nano did though.

It's not surprising that most people on this Apple newsgroup are ignorant
of what Apple does (they only know what Apple "says" it does).

It's no longer shocking how ignorant iKooks are, in that the classic
iPhones till iPhone 6/6s did have a built-in FM radio chip.

Apple just didn't enable that basic hardware feature they all had.

Worse, Apple sadistically completely removed the chip from its newest
iPhones (starting from iPhone 7 because Apple was desperate to pave the way
to remove the industry standard headphone jack (whose spiteful removal
Apple termed as "courageous" on their part - because they weren't actually
sure they could shove a fist that large up their (admittedly loyal)
customers' asses.

And yet, Apple got away with removing the most basic functionality.
So that customers would be forced to buy it back.

Classic Apple strategy.
Worse, the customers _loved_ having that fist shoved up their asses.

It's "courageous".
--
You can't make those ungodly profit margins off an intelligent customer.

On 2022-06-27 20:58, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>>> It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality
>>>> from.
>>>
>>> Nope. No iPhone ever had an FM radio functionality.
>>
>> 'fm radio functionality' is available via a wide variety apps, which
>> are able to stream fm stations from anywhere in the world rather than
>> being limited to within 20-30 miles and without being forced to use
>> headphones. it's also not limited to only fm, but includes a wide
>> variety of sources. it's called progress.
>
> Since you're a low-IQ iKook nospam, it's _expected_ you'll be completely
> ignorant that FM radio is completely _different_ from Internet radio.

Since you're a low-IQ fanatic, it's _expected_ that you'll never
understand that no iPhone ever had an FM radio tuner.

In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 27 Jun 2022 21:30:49 -0700, Alan
<nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-06-27 20:58, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> nospam wrote:
>>
>>>>> It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality
>>>>> from.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. No iPhone ever had an FM radio functionality.
>>>
>>> 'fm radio functionality' is available via a wide variety apps, which
>>> are able to stream fm stations from anywhere in the world rather than

Who says "rather". A proper phone has web-radio and broadcast radio
reception.

>>> being limited to within 20-30 miles and without being forced to use
>>> headphones.

Huh? Headphones are no more needed for radio than for web-radio.

>>>it's also not limited to only fm, but includes a wide
>>> variety of sources. it's called progress.

Progress would have both.
>> Since you're a low-IQ iKook nospam, it's _expected_ you'll be completely
>> ignorant that FM radio is completely _different_ from Internet radio.
>
>Since you're a low-IQ fanatic, it's _expected_ that you'll never
>understand that no iPhone ever had an FM radio tuner.

In article <o83lbhll2ceacjftc3kvlu60d80dh29t6q@4ax.com>, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

> >>>>> It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality
> >>>>> from.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nope. No iPhone ever had an FM radio functionality.
> >>>
> >>> 'fm radio functionality' is available via a wide variety apps, which
> >>> are able to stream fm stations from anywhere in the world rather than
>
> Who says "rather". A proper phone has web-radio and broadcast radio
> reception.

relatively few phones have a terrestrial fm radio, and of those that
do, very few people actually use that feature due to its numerous
limitations.

instead, they use what you call web-radio, which is more than just
radio. it also includes music streaming, podcasts, video and much more,
with a much wider range of choices, often without any ads.

> >>> being limited to within 20-30 miles and without being forced to use
> >>> headphones.
>
> Huh? Headphones are no more needed for radio than for web-radio.

they are for a phone, which uses wired headphones as an antenna.

without headphones, there is no fm antenna, therefore, no stations can
be received.

thus the radio won't work while using bluetooth headphones, the
speakers in the phone itself or external speakers, making an fm radio
feature not particularly useful in the vast majority of use cases.

> >>>it's also not limited to only fm, but includes a wide
> >>> variety of sources. it's called progress.
>
> Progress would have both.

progress is when something new and more capable replaces something
older and less capable. there is no need to keep both, since the former
can do everything the latter can do, plus a lot more.

nospam wrote:

> relatively few phones have a terrestrial fm radio,

It's no longer shocking how ignorant these iKooks are in that _most_ phones
have FM radios... just not the iPhones which lack basic standard hardware.

> and of those that
> do, very few people actually use that feature due to its numerous
> limitations.

It's has ceased to be shocking the iKooks have no concept of nuance in
detail, where most people don't call 911 every day either - but when you
_need_ an emergency feature of a phone, it should be there waiting for you.

The iKooks are of so low an IQ they can't conceive of that simple concept.
a. When you _need_ an FM radio, it's not there on the iPhone
b. When you _need_ a headphone jack, it's no longer there on an iPhone
c. When you _need_ portable storage, it was never there on an iPhone
etc.

Apple has literally crippled the hardware functionality of the iPhone.

> instead, they use what you call web-radio, which is more than just
> radio. it also includes music streaming, podcasts, video and much more,
> with a much wider range of choices, often without any ads.

It isn't shocking anymore how fantastically ignorant these iKooks are in
that they can't fathom that FM radio is _different_ from Internet radio.

>
>>>>> being limited to within 20-30 miles and without being forced to use
>>>>> headphones.
>>
>> Huh? Headphones are no more needed for radio than for web-radio.
>
> they are for a phone, which uses wired headphones as an antenna.
>
> without headphones, there is no fm antenna, therefore, no stations can
> be received.

Remember the Apple iPhones up until the iPhone 6/6s had the FM radio inside
the phone but Apple had planned for _years_ to remove the headphone jack in
a "courageous" move to force its customers to buy the functionality back.

Apple had to _remove_ the FM radio in the iPhone 7 onward because the FCC
was clamoring for Apple to enable it but giving the customer free hardware
functionality isn't in Apple's (admittedly brilliant) business plan.

> thus the radio won't work while using bluetooth headphones, the
> speakers in the phone itself or external speakers, making an fm radio
> feature not particularly useful in the vast majority of use cases.

Why is it no longer shocking how fantastically _ignorant_ iKooks are?
They can't comprehend that wired headphones are _different_ from bluetooth
headphones, and, in fact, they only _add_ to the functionality of a phone.

Apple's (rather brilliant) strategy is to inexorably _remove_ basic
hardware functionality so Apple customers are forced to buy it back.

>>>>> variety of sources. it's called progress.
>>
>> Progress would have both.
>
> progress is when something new and more capable replaces something
> older and less capable. there is no need to keep both, since the former
> can do everything the latter can do, plus a lot more.

How soon will it be when Apple has removed _all_ the industry standard
basic hardware functionality of the iPhone such that it's only a sealed
almost useless brick unless you pay subscriptions for _everything_ that
Android users currently attain for free, e.g.,
a. FM radios (which only _add_ to the functionality of Internet radio)
b. Wired headphones (which only _add_ to the functionality of bluetooth)
c. Portable storage (which only _add_ to the functionality of cloud storage)
d. USB-C chargers in the box (which only _add_ to the functionality of wireless charging)
etc.

Only the iKooks are oblivious Apple's strategy is to inexorably delete
basic standard hardware functionality so that you have to buy it back.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
and to counteract the fantastically ignorant posts by these low-IQ iKooks.

On 2022-06-28 07:30, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> relatively few phones have a terrestrial fm radio,
>
> It's no longer shocking how ignorant these iKooks are in that _most_ phones
> have FM radios... just not the iPhones which lack basic standard hardware.
>
>> and of those that
>> do, very few people actually use that feature due to its numerous
>> limitations.
>
> It's has ceased to be shocking the iKooks have no concept of nuance in
> detail, where most people don't call 911 every day either - but when you
> _need_ an emergency feature of a phone, it should be there waiting for you.
>
> The iKooks are of so low an IQ they can't conceive of that simple concept.
> a. When you _need_ an FM radio, it's not there on the iPhone

And was never there... ...and yet people still bought iPhones.

I guess it wasn't that important to them.

> b. When you _need_ a headphone jack, it's no longer there on an iPhone

Yup. And yet people still buy iPhones.

> c. When you _need_ portable storage, it was never there on an iPhone

And yet...

Do you see where I'm going here?

> etc.
>
> Apple has literally crippled the hardware functionality of the iPhone.

Ummmmm... ...no.

Apple has offered a product with a certain set of capabilities and features.

And people LOVE them.

>
>> instead, they use what you call web-radio, which is more than just
>> radio. it also includes music streaming, podcasts, video and much more,
>> with a much wider range of choices, often without any ads.
>
> It isn't shocking anymore how fantastically ignorant these iKooks are in
> that they can't fathom that FM radio is _different_ from Internet radio.
>
>>
>>>>>> being limited to within 20-30 miles and without being forced to use
>>>>>> headphones.
>>>
>>> Huh?  Headphones are no more needed for radio than for web-radio.
>>
>> they are for a phone, which uses wired headphones as an antenna.
>> without headphones, there is no fm antenna, therefore, no stations can
>> be received.
>
> Remember the Apple iPhones up until the iPhone 6/6s had the FM radio inside
> the phone but Apple had planned for _years_ to remove the headphone jack in
> a "courageous" move to force its customers to buy the functionality back.
>
> Apple had to _remove_ the FM radio in the iPhone 7 onward because the FCC
> was clamoring for Apple to enable it but giving the customer free hardware
> functionality isn't in Apple's (admittedly brilliant) business plan.
>
>> thus the radio won't work while using bluetooth headphones, the
>> speakers in the phone itself or external speakers, making an fm radio
>> feature not particularly useful in the vast majority of use cases.
>
> Why is it no longer shocking how fantastically _ignorant_ iKooks are?
> They can't comprehend that wired headphones are _different_ from bluetooth
> headphones, and, in fact, they only _add_ to the functionality of a phone.

A DVD player would "only _add_ to the functionality of a phone.", too,
right?

On 2022-06-27 21:04, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>>>> It's only most iPhones that Apple removed this basic functionality
>>>> from.
>>>
>>> Nope. No iPhone ever had an FM radio functionality.
>>
>> iPod Nano did though.
>
> It's not surprising that most people on this Apple newsgroup are ignorant
> of what Apple does (they only know what Apple "says" it does).
>
> It's no longer shocking how ignorant iKooks are, in that the classic
> iPhones till iPhone 6/6s did have a built-in FM radio chip.

But making a phone with FM radio is about more than having a chip that
might support it.

>
> Apple just didn't enable that basic hardware feature they all had.
>
> Worse, Apple sadistically completely removed the chip from its newest

How is it "sadistic" to remove something that most people don't even
know exists?

> iPhones (starting from iPhone 7 because Apple was desperate to pave the way
> to remove the industry standard headphone jack (whose spiteful removal
> Apple termed as "courageous" on their part - because they weren't actually
> sure they could shove a fist that large up their (admittedly loyal)
> customers' asses.

How did removing that FM-enabled radio chip help that?

On 2022-06-28 07:30, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> relatively few phones have a terrestrial fm radio,
>
> It's no longer shocking how ignorant these iKooks are in that _most_ phones
> have FM radios... just not the iPhones which lack basic standard hardware.

I'm sorry but that's just a lie.

In the last three years of phones, GSM Arena lists 1906 phones as
available or coming soon.

Of those, 1039 have FM radios.

How is 54% ever "most"?

The least expensive iPhone is about $550USD

When we limit the search to similarly priced phones, the numbers are 325
and...

....63.

That is less than 20% of phones in the same price class as iPhones
having FM radios.

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&nPriceMin=450&sAvailabilities=1,2>

In article <t9fm7m$162jm$4@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>
> A DVD player would "only _add_ to the functionality of a phone.", too,
> right?

one of the resident trolls has stated that a dvd player can be
connected to an android phone, one of the many features that iphone
users want.

apparently android users carry dvd players everywhere they go. who knew?

In article <t9fmrl$166p7$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>
> The least expensive iPhone is about $550USD

actually, it's $399, absent sales, promos, etc.

that particular model has been available for as little as free (with
contract).

nospam wrote:

> that particular model has been available for as little as free (with
> contract).

The fact remains Apple has inexorably crippled the hardware functionality
of the iPhone, which is one reason for Apple's ungodly profit margins.

FACTS:
a. Apple removed the internal FM radio after the iPhone 6
b. Which paved the way for Apple to remove the standard headphone jack
c. Worse, no Apple mobile device contains any internal portable storage
d. Keeping on the trend, lately Apple removed the USB-C chargers in the box
e. Even the USB-C cables Apple ships are not the standard USB cable
f. And, rumor has it the iPhone 14 has laughably puny el cheapo batteries
iPhone 14 - 3279 mAh (iPhone 13 - 3,227 mAh)
iPhone 14 Max - 4325 mAh (N/A)
iPhone 14 Pro - 3200 mAh (iPhone 13 Pro - 3,095 mAh)
iPhone 14 Pro Max - 4323 mAh (iPhone 3 Pro Max - 4,352 mAh)

This el-cheapo stone-age battery technology was also in the iPhone 13
(iPhone 13 - 3,227 mAh)
(iPhone 13 Pro - 3,095 mAh)
(iPhone 3 Pro Max - 4,352 mAh)

Apple's strategy is to inexorably _remove_ hardware functionality so that
the (admittedly loyal) consumer has to figure out how to buy it back.

In article <t9g2nd$1s2v$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> The fact remains that public schools have inexorably crippled my brain.

ftfy

On 2022-06-28 16:27, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> that particular model has been available for as little as free (with
>> contract).
>
> The fact remains Apple has inexorably crippled the hardware functionality
> of the iPhone, which is one reason for Apple's ungodly profit margins.
>
> FACTS:
> a. Apple removed the internal FM radio after the iPhone 6

False. An FM radio is more than chip.

> b. Which paved the way for Apple to remove the standard headphone jack

How?

> c. Worse, no Apple mobile device contains any internal portable storage

False. You mean REMOVABLE internal storage...

....which is a lovely "no true scotsman" dodge.

> d. Keeping on the trend, lately Apple removed the USB-C chargers in the
> box
False. There has never been a USB-C charger in the box of any iPhone.

Those products that have shipped with USB-C chargers continue to do so.

> e. Even the USB-C cables Apple ships are not the standard USB cable

No. They're the appropriate cables to connect the device.

Which you tacitly admit will be necessary by demanding that you be able
to charge every device in your possession at the same time.

> f. And, rumor has it the iPhone 14 has laughably puny el cheapo batteries
>   iPhone 14 - 3279 mAh (iPhone 13 - 3,227 mAh)
>   iPhone 14 Max - 4325 mAh (N/A)
>   iPhone 14 Pro - 3200 mAh (iPhone 13 Pro - 3,095 mAh)
>   iPhone 14 Pro Max - 4323 mAh (iPhone 3 Pro Max - 4,352 mAh)
>
> This el-cheapo stone-age battery technology was also in the iPhone 13
>   (iPhone 13 - 3,227 mAh)
>   (iPhone 13 Pro - 3,095 mAh)
>   (iPhone 3 Pro Max - 4,352 mAh)
>

But according to Consumer Reports their actual battery life is among the
best of all smartphones.

> Apple's strategy is to inexorably _remove_ hardware functionality so that
> the (admittedly loyal) consumer has to figure out how to buy it back.

On 6/27/2022 10:11 PM, micky wrote:

<snip>

> Huh? Headphones are no more needed for radio than for web-radio.

Wired headphones are required to use the FM receiver in phones because
the headphone wire acts as the antenna. There's a workaround to this,
with antennas that plug into the headphone jack but you still need the
headphone jack.

The FM radio is a nice feature to have on some occasions. If you're on a
plan with not a lot of data per month, where you don't want to be
streaming content, it's convenient. It's also useful in areas with no
cellular coverage that do have FM reception, but I suspect that few
phone users have ever bothered with the FM receiver, especially since so
few people listen to music on the radio anymore.

On 6/27/2022 9:30 PM, Alan wrote:

<snip>

> Since you're a low-IQ fanatic, it's _expected_ that you'll never
> understand that no iPhone ever had an FM radio tuner.

The hardware was there, up until the 6s, but it was never used. See
<https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/28/16379316/fcc-iphone-fm-radio-activation-request-ajit-pai>.

It would not have made sense for Apple to activate the FM radio given
that they wanted to sell content via iTunes.

On 6/27/2022 8:19 PM, John wrote:

<snip>

> iPod Nano did though.

For the older, 30 pin connector iPhones, there was an add-on FM tuner
available
<https://www.mobilefun.com/griffin-ifm-fm-radio-tuner-for-ipod-and-iphone-26810>.

For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C port
using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.

On 2022-06-29 07:35, sms wrote:
> On 6/27/2022 8:19 PM, John wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> iPod Nano did though.
>
> For the older, 30 pin connector iPhones, there was an add-on FM tuner
> available
> <https://www.mobilefun.com/griffin-ifm-fm-radio-tuner-for-ipod-and-iphone-26810>.

Which is just as irrelevant.

>
> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C port
> using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.

And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
could.

On 6/29/22 7:16 AM, sms wrote:

>I suspect that few
>phone users have ever bothered with the FM receiver, especially since so
>few people listen to music on the radio anymore.

Not just music. There are 2 FM news stations in my area. I listen to them
often. Always online of course...

nospam wrote:

> ftfy

It's no longer shocking that low-IQ iKooks instantly turn into kindergarten
children whenever confronted with facts they have no _adult_ response to.