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 by: Alan - Tue, 28 Jun 2022 21:02 UTC

Apple M2 Geekbench single-core: 1937

Nearest non-Apple processor (MediaTek Dimensity 9000): 1260.5

The A15 Bionic, M1, A14 Bionic, and A13 Bionic are all also faster than
the MediaTek.

<https://www.notebookcheck.net/Smartphone-Processors-Benchmark-List.149513.0.html?&sort=b_717_2170&deskornote=3&or=1&showBars=1&geekbench2=1&geekbench3_single=1&geekbench3_multi=1&geekbench4_1_single=1&geekbench4_1_multi=1&geekbench5_1_single=1&geekbench5_1_multi=1&passmark_cpu=1&sunspider=1&cpu_fullname=1&codename=1&mhz=1&turbo_mhz=1&cores=1&threads=1&architecture=1&64bit=1>

Apple M2 Geekbench multi-core: 8962

MediaTek Dimensity 9000: 4246.5

The M1, A15 Bionic, A12Z Bionic, and A12X Bionic are all faster this time.

<https://www.notebookcheck.net/Smartphone-Processors-Benchmark-List.149513.0.html?&sort=b_717_2171&deskornote=3&or=1&showBars=1&geekbench2=1&geekbench3_single=1&geekbench3_multi=1&geekbench4_1_single=1&geekbench4_1_multi=1&geekbench5_1_single=1&geekbench5_1_multi=1&passmark_cpu=1&sunspider=1&cpu_fullname=1&codename=1&mhz=1&turbo_mhz=1&cores=1&threads=1&architecture=1&64bit=1>

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 by: Your Name - Tue, 28 Jun 2022 21:28 UTC

On 2022-06-28 21:02:08 +0000, Alan said:

> Apple M2 Geekbench single-core: 1937
>
> Nearest non-Apple processor (MediaTek Dimensity 9000): 1260.5
>
> The A15 Bionic, M1, A14 Bionic, and A13 Bionic are all also faster than
> the MediaTek.
>
> <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Smartphone-Processors-Benchmark-List.149513.0.html?&sort=b_717_2170&deskornote=3&or=1&showBars=1&geekbench2=1&geekbench3_single=1&geekbench3_multi=1&geekbench4_1_single=1&geekbench4_1_multi=1&geekbench5_1_single=1&geekbench5_1_multi=1&passmark_cpu=1&sunspider=1&cpu_fullname=1&codename=1&mhz=1&turbo_mhz=1&cores=1&threads=1&architecture=1&64bit=1>
>
>
> Apple M2 Geekbench multi-core: 8962
>
> MediaTek Dimensity 9000: 4246.5
>
> The M1, A15 Bionic, A12Z Bionic, and A12X Bionic are all faster this time.
>
> <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Smartphone-Processors-Benchmark-List.149513.0.html?&sort=b_717_2171&deskornote=3&or=1&showBars=1&geekbench2=1&geekbench3_single=1&geekbench3_multi=1&geekbench4_1_single=1&geekbench4_1_multi=1&geekbench5_1_single=1&geekbench5_1_multi=1&passmark_cpu=1&sunspider=1&cpu_fullname=1&codename=1&mhz=1&turbo_mhz=1&cores=1&threads=1&architecture=1&64bit=1>
>

Unfortuantely the M2 may be causing issues with SSD speeds.

M2 13-Inch MacBook Pro With 256GB SSD Appears Slower
Than Equivalent M1 in Real-World Speed Tests

<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/27/m2-macbook-pro-256gb-ssd-real-world-tests/>

Whether that on purpose for some peculiar reason or can be fixed with a
software update, remains to be seen.

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 by: Alan - Tue, 28 Jun 2022 21:35 UTC

On 2022-06-28 14:28, Your Name wrote:
> On 2022-06-28 21:02:08 +0000, Alan said:
>
>> Apple M2 Geekbench single-core: 1937
>>
>> Nearest non-Apple processor (MediaTek Dimensity 9000): 1260.5
>>
>> The A15 Bionic, M1, A14 Bionic, and A13 Bionic are all also faster
>> than the MediaTek.
>>
>> <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Smartphone-Processors-Benchmark-List.149513.0.html?&sort=b_717_2170&deskornote=3&or=1&showBars=1&geekbench2=1&geekbench3_single=1&geekbench3_multi=1&geekbench4_1_single=1&geekbench4_1_multi=1&geekbench5_1_single=1&geekbench5_1_multi=1&passmark_cpu=1&sunspider=1&cpu_fullname=1&codename=1&mhz=1&turbo_mhz=1&cores=1&threads=1&architecture=1&64bit=1>
>>
>>
>> Apple M2 Geekbench multi-core: 8962
>>
>> MediaTek Dimensity 9000: 4246.5
>>
>> The M1, A15 Bionic, A12Z Bionic, and A12X Bionic are all faster this
>> time.
>>
>> <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Smartphone-Processors-Benchmark-List.149513.0.html?&sort=b_717_2171&deskornote=3&or=1&showBars=1&geekbench2=1&geekbench3_single=1&geekbench3_multi=1&geekbench4_1_single=1&geekbench4_1_multi=1&geekbench5_1_single=1&geekbench5_1_multi=1&passmark_cpu=1&sunspider=1&cpu_fullname=1&codename=1&mhz=1&turbo_mhz=1&cores=1&threads=1&architecture=1&64bit=1>
>>
>
> Unfortuantely the M2 may be causing issues with SSD speeds.
>
>    M2 13-Inch MacBook Pro With 256GB SSD Appears Slower
>    Than Equivalent M1 in Real-World Speed Tests
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/27/m2-macbook-pro-256gb-ssd-real-world-tests/>
>
>
> Whether that on purpose for some peculiar reason or can be fixed with a
> software update, remains to be seen.
>
>

It looks like a simple case of using a single channel SSD system in one
particular configuration.

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 by: nospam - Tue, 28 Jun 2022 22:02 UTC

In article <t9fs77$16n0n$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> > Unfortuantely the M2 may be causing issues with SSD speeds.

it's not due to the m2.

> >    M2 13-Inch MacBook Pro With 256GB SSD Appears Slower
> >    Than Equivalent M1 in Real-World Speed Tests
> >
> > <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/27/m2-macbook-pro-256gb-ssd-real-world-te
> > sts/>
> >
> >
> > Whether that on purpose for some peculiar reason or can be fixed with a
> > software update, remains to be seen.

software update? hah.
> It looks like a simple case of using a single channel SSD system in one
> particular configuration.

yep, due to supply constraints. it's also the base level config, where
speed isn't that important.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 29 Jun 2022 04:28 UTC

On 2022-06-28, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> Unfortuantely the M2 may be causing issues with SSD speeds.
>
> M2 13-Inch MacBook Pro With 256GB SSD Appears Slower
> Than Equivalent M1 in Real-World Speed Tests

Bullshit.

> Whether that on purpose for some peculiar reason or can be fixed with
> a software update, remains to be seen.

No software change is required. What you are failing realize is that the
M2 model they used for testing uses a single flash chip for storage
(leaving the socket where a second chip would be for larger storage
configurations empty) compared to the dual-chip configuration in the M1
model. If they had used a model with more storage capacity, it would
have dual chips, which naturally speed up storage throughput.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:50 UTC

Am 29.06.22 um 00:02 schrieb nospam:
> In article <t9fs77$16n0n$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Unfortuantely the M2 may be causing issues with SSD speeds.
>
> it's not due to the m2.
>
>>>    M2 13-Inch MacBook Pro With 256GB SSD Appears Slower
>>>    Than Equivalent M1 in Real-World Speed Tests
>>>
>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/27/m2-macbook-pro-256gb-ssd-real-world-te
>>> sts/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whether that on purpose for some peculiar reason or can be fixed with a
>>> software update, remains to be seen.
>
> software update? hah.
>
>> It looks like a simple case of using a single channel SSD system in one
>> particular configuration.
>
> yep, due to supply constraints. it's also the base level config, where
> speed isn't that important.

Speed is *always* *very important*.

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 by: nospam - Wed, 29 Jun 2022 11:23 UTC

In article <t9h3o5$rhfe$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

> >> It looks like a simple case of using a single channel SSD system in one
> >> particular configuration.
> >
> > yep, due to supply constraints. it's also the base level config, where
> > speed isn't that important.
>
> Speed is *always* *very important*.

no it isn't.

casual use (e.g., email, web surfing) will not come anywhere close to
the limit of a single channel ssd, let alone dual.

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 by: sms - Wed, 29 Jun 2022 13:48 UTC

On 6/28/2022 2:28 PM, Your Name wrote:

<snip>

> Unfortuantely the M2 may be causing issues with SSD speeds.
>
>    M2 13-Inch MacBook Pro With 256GB SSD Appears Slower
>    Than Equivalent M1 in Real-World Speed Tests
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/27/m2-macbook-pro-256gb-ssd-real-world-tests/>
>
>
> Whether that on purpose for some peculiar reason or can be fixed with a
> software update, remains to be seen.

Reportedly this is only an issue on the M2 Macbook Pros with 256GB SSD
that use a single 256GB SSD chip.

I think that it's a pretty safe assumption that very few buyers are
opting for the 256GB M2 Macbook Pro, and that most are opting for 512GB
or more.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:27 UTC

On 2022-06-29 01:50, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 29.06.22 um 00:02 schrieb nospam:
>> In article <t9fs77$16n0n$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Unfortuantely the M2 may be causing issues with SSD speeds.
>>
>> it's not due to the m2.
>>
>>>>    M2 13-Inch MacBook Pro With 256GB SSD Appears Slower
>>>>    Than Equivalent M1 in Real-World Speed Tests
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/27/m2-macbook-pro-256gb-ssd-real-world-te
>>>> sts/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whether that on purpose for some peculiar reason or can be fixed with a
>>>> software update, remains to be seen.
>>
>> software update? hah.
>>
>>> It looks like a simple case of using a single channel SSD system in one
>>> particular configuration.
>>
>> yep, due to supply constraints. it's also the base level config, where
>> speed isn't that important.
>
> Speed is *always* *very important*.
>

Right.

So every computer everywhere should always be sold with the fastest
processor, the fastest RAM, the fastest drive, the fastest GPU...

....right?

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 by: nospam - Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:06 UTC

In article <t9hl6r$1enfi$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Reportedly this is only an issue on the M2 Macbook Pros with 256GB SSD
> that use a single 256GB SSD chip.

not just 'reportedly', but it's the exact reason.

> I think that it's a pretty safe assumption that very few buyers are
> opting for the 256GB M2 Macbook Pro, and that most are opting for 512GB
> or more.

that is of course, another one of your false assumptions.

a substantial portion of buyers for the macbook pro 13" are corporate
sales, who buy the least expensive configuration and do not need the
additional speed, which is already faster than what they had before.

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In article <t9hnfv$1evtl$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> >
> > Speed is *always* *very important*.
> >
>
> Right.
>
> So every computer everywhere should always be sold with the fastest
> processor, the fastest RAM, the fastest drive, the fastest GPU...
>
> ...right?

exactly right.

that's why the mac pro in its highest spec configuration is the best
selling mac.

facebook pages open 0.001 seconds faster. the performance is incredible.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t9hnfv$1evtl$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Speed is *always* *very important*.
>>>
>>
>> Right.
>>
>> So every computer everywhere should always be sold with the fastest
>> processor, the fastest RAM, the fastest drive, the fastest GPU...
>>
>> ...right?
>
> exactly right.
>
> that's why the mac pro in its highest spec configuration is the best
> selling mac.
>
> facebook pages open 0.001 seconds faster. the performance is incredible.

It's the wheels that give the extra performance.

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