AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 6/29/22 7:16 AM, sms wrote:
>
> >I suspect that few
> >phone users have ever bothered with the FM receiver, especially since so
> >few people listen to music on the radio anymore.
>
> Not just music. There are 2 FM news stations in my area. I listen to them
> often. Always online of course...

I listen to the FM radio in my Android phone, 24x7, just to spite
everyone else here!

And while I'm doing that, I'm constantly swapping MicroSD cards
between my phone and laptop, so *there* you go!

And I use the GPS in my Wi-Fi-only tablet!

And ... ad infinitum.

On 6/29/2022 8:29 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> On 6/29/22 7:16 AM, sms wrote:

>>> I suspect that few phone users have ever bothered with the FM
>>> receiver, especially since so few people listen to music on the
>>> radio anymore.
>>
>> Not just music. There are 2 FM news stations in my area. I listen
>> to them often. Always online of course...
>
> I listen to the FM radio in my Android phone, 24x7, just to spite
> everyone else here!

No FM radio on my phone so I'm SOL. Though I doubt I'd use it if I had
it. Much easier to read the news when out (and waiting for you know who)
than messing with the wired earphones. YMMV.

> And while I'm doing that, I'm constantly swapping MicroSD cards
> between my phone and laptop, so *there* you go!

I haven't used a card with my phone since the beginning (2+ years). I
hardly use even half of the 128G storage.

> And I use the GPS in my Wi-Fi-only tablet!

No GPS in my tablets. They stay at home so always know where they are... ;)

> And ... ad infinitum.

If you're by chance trying to make the iFolks envious of your phone's
capabilities I should tell you that I made my last post on a Chromebook
using the PhoNews newsreader. Apparently it has a bug that
stripped all but the Android newsgroup off. I didn't know it did that
til just now. So the iFolks likely missed your post. And I am still
looking for a good Android newsreader...

In article <t9hn5a$1euvj$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> It would not have made sense for Apple to activate the FM radio given
> that they wanted to sell content via iTunes.

as usual, you are incorrect.

not only did the 5th, 6th and 7th gen ipod nano include an fm tuner,
but songs could be tagged to be later purchased via itunes. it actually
*helped* sell more itunes music.

apple also has licensed numerous third party fm and tv receivers for
ios devices.

In article <t9hnvq$1f1qu$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > iPod Nano did though.
>
> For the older, 30 pin connector iPhones, there was an add-on FM tuner
> available

he was talking about the ipod nano, not the iphone.

> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C port
> using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.

ios too.

<https://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EyeTV_Mobile_iP
ad_iPhone-650x482.jpg>

In article <t9ho8o$1f26o$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> > For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C port
> > using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>
> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
> could.

and have.

here's one that receives tv:
<https://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EyeTV_Mobile_iP
ad_iPhone-650x482.jpg>

On 2022-06-29 09:06, nospam wrote:
> In article <t9ho8o$1f26o$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C port
>>> using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>>
>> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
>> could.
>
> and have.
>
> here's one that receives tv:
> <https://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EyeTV_Mobile_iP
> ad_iPhone-650x482.jpg>

I had a couple of EyeTV products back in the day.

On 6/29/2022 7:40 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-06-29 07:35, sms wrote:
>> On 6/27/2022 8:19 PM, John wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> iPod Nano did though.
>>
>> For the older, 30 pin connector iPhones, there was an add-on FM tuner
>> available
>> <https://www.mobilefun.com/griffin-ifm-fm-radio-tuner-for-ipod-and-iphone-26810>.
>
>
> Which is just as irrelevant.
>
>>
>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
>> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>
> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
> could.

No, it's not possible. You need to understand the functionality of the
30 pin connector. Very different than Lightning.

On 2022-06-29 10:00, sms wrote:
> On 6/29/2022 7:40 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-06-29 07:35, sms wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2022 8:19 PM, John wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> iPod Nano did though.
>>>
>>> For the older, 30 pin connector iPhones, there was an add-on FM tuner
>>> available
>>> <https://www.mobilefun.com/griffin-ifm-fm-radio-tuner-for-ipod-and-iphone-26810>.
>>
>>
>>
>> Which is just as irrelevant.
>>
>>>
>>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
>>> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>>
>> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
>> could.
>
> No, it's not possible. You need to understand the functionality of the
> 30 pin connector. Very different than Lightning.

Really?

And what makes it impossible with a Lightning connector?

Can that Lightning connector not receive data? No, it CAN receive
incoming data.

In article <t9i0f5$1g3iq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >>
> >> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
> >> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
> >
> > And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
> > could.
>
> No, it's not possible.

wrong. not only is it possible, but it's been done.

> You need to understand the functionality of the
> 30 pin connector.

if anyone needs to understand that, it would be you.

you mentioned modern android phones that have usb-c, thus the proper
comparison would be with a modern iphone that has lightning, *not*
iphones from more than 10 years ago that have the long obsolete dock
connector.

however, that doesn't actually matter, since there were fm and tv
tuners that used the dock connector, what you incorrectly claim is
impossible.

here's one:
<https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/890e13fadad25dcf7964b7ea524e16e5-970-
80.jpg>

> Very different than Lightning.

you don't say!

if only you knew what the differences actually are.

On 2022-06-29 10:37, nospam wrote:
> In article <t9i0f5$1g3iq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
>>>> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>>>
>>> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
>>> could.
>>
>> No, it's not possible.
>
> wrong. not only is it possible, but it's been done.
>
>> You need to understand the functionality of the
>> 30 pin connector.
>
> if anyone needs to understand that, it would be you.
>
> you mentioned modern android phones that have usb-c, thus the proper
> comparison would be with a modern iphone that has lightning, *not*
> iphones from more than 10 years ago that have the long obsolete dock
> connector.
>
> however, that doesn't actually matter, since there were fm and tv
> tuners that used the dock connector, what you incorrectly claim is
> impossible.
>
> here's one:
> <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/890e13fadad25dcf7964b7ea524e16e5-970-
> 80.jpg>
>
>> Very different than Lightning.
>
> you don't say!
>
> if only you knew what the differences actually are.

Do be fair, he only claims it's impossible for the Lightning connector...

....which seems odd anyway, because the Lightning connector can clearly
be used to send data into the iPhone.

In article <t9i3e0$1gei9$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> >>>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
> >>>> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
> >>>
> >>> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
> >>> could.
> >>
> >> No, it's not possible.
> >
> > wrong. not only is it possible, but it's been done.
> >
> >> You need to understand the functionality of the
> >> 30 pin connector.
> >
> > if anyone needs to understand that, it would be you.
> >
> > you mentioned modern android phones that have usb-c, thus the proper
> > comparison would be with a modern iphone that has lightning, *not*
> > iphones from more than 10 years ago that have the long obsolete dock
> > connector.
> >
> > however, that doesn't actually matter, since there were fm and tv
> > tuners that used the dock connector, what you incorrectly claim is
> > impossible.
> >
> > here's one:
> > <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/890e13fadad25dcf7964b7ea524e16e5-970-
> > 80.jpg>
> >
> >> Very different than Lightning.
> >
> > you don't say!
> >
> > if only you knew what the differences actually are.
>
> Do be fair, he only claims it's impossible for the Lightning connector...

it's not clear what he claims, because his stories keep changing.

nearly everything he claims is impossible is very possible, often with
little to no effort. the more amusing ones are when it's been part of
ios for years.

> ...which seems odd anyway, because the Lightning connector can clearly
> be used to send data into the iPhone.

as can the dock connector.

On 2022-06-29 11:38, nospam wrote:
> In article <t9i3e0$1gei9$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
>>>>>> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
>>>>> could.
>>>>
>>>> No, it's not possible.
>>>
>>> wrong. not only is it possible, but it's been done.
>>>
>>>> You need to understand the functionality of the
>>>> 30 pin connector.
>>>
>>> if anyone needs to understand that, it would be you.
>>>
>>> you mentioned modern android phones that have usb-c, thus the proper
>>> comparison would be with a modern iphone that has lightning, *not*
>>> iphones from more than 10 years ago that have the long obsolete dock
>>> connector.
>>>
>>> however, that doesn't actually matter, since there were fm and tv
>>> tuners that used the dock connector, what you incorrectly claim is
>>> impossible.
>>>
>>> here's one:
>>> <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/890e13fadad25dcf7964b7ea524e16e5-970-
>>> 80.jpg>
>>>
>>>> Very different than Lightning.
>>>
>>> you don't say!
>>>
>>> if only you knew what the differences actually are.
>>
>> Do be fair, he only claims it's impossible for the Lightning connector...
>
> it's not clear what he claims, because his stories keep changing.

I followed it fine.

>
> nearly everything he claims is impossible is very possible, often with
> little to no effort. the more amusing ones are when it's been part of
> ios for years.
>
>> ...which seems odd anyway, because the Lightning connector can clearly
>> be used to send data into the iPhone.
>
> as can the dock connector.

Which was never in dispute.

On 2022-06-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t9hn5a$1euvj$1@dont-email.me>, sms
><scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> It would not have made sense for Apple to activate the FM radio given
>> that they wanted to sell content via iTunes.
>
> as usual, you are incorrect.
>
> not only did the 5th, 6th and 7th gen ipod nano include an fm tuner,
> but songs could be tagged to be later purchased via itunes. it
> actually *helped* sell more itunes music.

Wonder if this fact will be mentioned in his little "here's how Apple
sucks" document. ; )

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 6/29/2022 8:29 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> >> On 6/29/22 7:16 AM, sms wrote:
>
> >>> I suspect that few phone users have ever bothered with the FM
> >>> receiver, especially since so few people listen to music on the
> >>> radio anymore.
> >>
> >> Not just music. There are 2 FM news stations in my area. I listen
> >> to them often. Always online of course...
> >
> > I listen to the FM radio in my Android phone, 24x7, just to spite
> > everyone else here!
>
> No FM radio on my phone so I'm SOL. Though I doubt I'd use it if I had
> it. Much easier to read the news when out (and waiting for you know who)
> than messing with the wired earphones. YMMV.

Of course I was only kidding. I've used the built-in FM radio
occasionally, but that was mainly on a 'dumb'/'feature' phone. Might
have used one in one of my earlier Android phones, but only a few times,
if that.

Like you, I mainly read, not listen (or watch TV on a real TV).

> > And while I'm doing that, I'm constantly swapping MicroSD cards
> > between my phone and laptop, so *there* you go!
>
> I haven't used a card with my phone since the beginning (2+ years). I
> hardly use even half of the 128G storage.

My earlier phones had only '4'GB (effectively ~1GB) and 8GB
(effectively 4-5GB) Internal Storage, so a MicroSD card was a must.

Like yours, my current phone has 128GB of which 51GB is used (by all
the bloody maps of US states! :-)).

Anyway, I've hardly ever *swapped* MicroSD cards between phone and
something else. They were in the phone and stayed there.

> > And I use the GPS in my Wi-Fi-only tablet!
>
> No GPS in my tablets. They stay at home so always know where they are... ;)

When we traveled with our 4WD camper (small mobile home) in the 'bush'
in Australia, the tablet was used by my navigator for wide-range
navigation, while I was using the phone for close-range navigation/
driving. (For some stange reason, Google Maps has no alerts for
kangaroos on the road!)

> > And ... ad infinitum.
>
> If you're by chance trying to make the iFolks envious of your phone's
> capabilities

How on earth did you guess!?

> I should tell you that I made my last post on a Chromebook
> using the PhoNews newsreader. Apparently it has a bug that
> stripped all but the Android newsgroup off. I didn't know it did that
> til just now. So the iFolks likely missed your post.

Bummer! Oh well, the main 'targets' also read this group, so no harm
done. The primary 'target' *does* have a sense of humour, so it'll be
allright.

> And I am still
> looking for a good Android newsreader...