Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?

The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a plastic
cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for cooling (???).
The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is, but it seems to be
under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it? How is the armor fixed
to the motherboard?

(We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't get
at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place that
is!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The advantage with David Attenborough is that people just want to hear him
talk. About anything.
- Kirsty Young (Desert Island Discs presenter), RT 2015/9/25-10/2

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>
> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a plastic
> cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for cooling (???).
> The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is, but it seems to be
> under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it? How is the armor fixed
> to the motherboard?
>
> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't get
> at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place that
> is!)

Following videos found by searching Youtube on "ASUS Sabertooth Z77 cmos
battery". YT is handy for finding videos on stuff like this. Google
Images is also good for seeing pics of the mobo (pick large size to help
get closeups).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSTTR_WVtx0
The mutters a lot, but you can see the screws on the backside of the
mobo you have to remove which also means you have to remove the mobo
from the backplated on which it gets mounted. Notice you have to remove
a fan atop the armor plate.

When putting back together, you might consider discarding the armor
plate. This mobo isn't installed inside a case, or you leave the side
panel off? I would've tossed the armor cover when I built the computer.
Too often after initial setup, I need to get at the mobo to make
changes. No SSD NVMe slots, so that helps eliminate getting under the
armor cover sometime later.

If you're going toss the armor cover or don't much care about it, see
the following where the guy snips it off with a diagonal side wire
cutter. He just snips enough to lift up the armor cover to let him get
at the cmos battery.

On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 22:54:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>
>The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a plastic
>cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for cooling (???).
>The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is, but it seems to be
>under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it? How is the armor fixed
>to the motherboard?
>
>(We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't get
>at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place that
>is!)

Here's the first hit on Youtube of a British-sounding guy who needed to
replace the battery, which he calls a BETT-ree. In his case, the
motherboard needed to come out of the case, then the 8 screws on the
back needed to be removed plus a small fan on the front had to be
removed and Bob's your uncle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSTTR_WVtx0

On 12/23/2021 5:54 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>
> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a plastic cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for cooling (???). The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is, but it seems to be under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it? How is the armor fixed to the motherboard?
>
> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't get at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place that is!)

It's a rocket surgery.

Somewhere under that plastic armor, your quarry awaits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDPl-WtPcs

Paul

On 23/12/2021 22:54, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>
> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a plastic
> cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for cooling (???).
> The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is, but it seems to be
> under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it? How is the armor fixed
> to the motherboard?
>
> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't get
> at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place that is!)

8 screws underneath the motherboard;

https://youtu.be/aSTTR_WVtx0?t=147

On 2021-12-23 5:53 p.m., Patrick wrote:
> On 23/12/2021 22:54, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>
>> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a
>> plastic cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for
>> cooling (???). The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is,
>> but it seems to be under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it?
>> How is the armor fixed to the motherboard?
>>
>> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't get
>> at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place that is!)
>
> 8 screws underneath the motherboard;
>
> https://youtu.be/aSTTR_WVtx0?t=147

That was a real brilliant idea *not*, the screws from the back of the
M/B !!!

the brainiac who thought that one up should have all his pant zippers
and buttons put on the back of his pants.

Rene

On 12/23/21 6:53 PM, this is what Patrick wrote:
> On 23/12/2021 22:54, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>
>> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a plastic cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for cooling
>> (???). The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is, but it seems to be under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it? How is
>> the armor fixed to the motherboard?
>>
>> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't get at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place
>> that is!)
>
> 8 screws underneath the motherboard;
>
> https://youtu.be/aSTTR_WVtx0?t=147
Damn! I didn't see any break in the video and that PC came up to the desktop almost instantly from the Mobo logo. Did I really see that
right? If so that's a good setup.

--
Linux Mint Cinnamon 20.2 64bit, Dell Inspiron 5570 laptop
Quad Core i7-8550U, 16G Memory, 512G SSD, 750G & 1TB HDDs

On 12/23/2021 8:48 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-12-23 5:53 p.m., Patrick wrote:
>> On 23/12/2021 22:54, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>>
>>> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a plastic cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for cooling (???). The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is, but it seems to be under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it? How is the armor fixed to the motherboard?
>>>
>>> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't get at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place that is!)
>>
>> 8 screws underneath the motherboard;
>>
>> https://youtu.be/aSTTR_WVtx0?t=147
>
> That was a real brilliant idea *not*,  the screws from the back of the M/B !!!
>
> the  brainiac who thought that one up should have all his pant zippers
> and buttons put on the back of his pants.

The design is intended for people who "needed a hobby" :-)

And besides, you get to clean the dust off things,
so it's all good. As long as you don't mind a little
dust on your work table. (No, don't use a "Hoover".)

*******

They make toaster-style battery holders, but a thing
like this could not withstand the rigors of handling.

https://cdn2.botland.store/61101-pdt_540/cr2032-battery-holder-vertical-5pcs.jpg

Paul

On 2021-12-23 8:48 p.m., Paul wrote:
> On 12/23/2021 8:48 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> On 2021-12-23 5:53 p.m., Patrick wrote:
>>> On 23/12/2021 22:54, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>>>
>>>> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a
>>>> plastic cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for
>>>> cooling (???). The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is,
>>>> but it seems to be under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it?
>>>> How is the armor fixed to the motherboard?
>>>>
>>>> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't
>>>> get at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place
>>>> that is!)
>>>
>>> 8 screws underneath the motherboard;
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/aSTTR_WVtx0?t=147
>>
>> That was a real brilliant idea *not*,  the screws from the back of the
>> M/B !!!
>>
>> the  brainiac who thought that one up should have all his pant zippers
>> and buttons put on the back of his pants.
>
> The design is intended for people who "needed a hobby" :-)
>
> And besides, you get to clean the dust off things,
> so it's all good. As long as you don't mind a little
> dust on your work table. (No, don't use a "Hoover".)
>
> *******
>
> They make toaster-style battery holders, but a thing
> like this could not withstand the rigors of handling.
>
> https://cdn2.botland.store/61101-pdt_540/cr2032-battery-holder-vertical-5pcs.jpg
>
>
>    Paul

I have run into 1 of those in my travels, but can't remember what brand
of M/B it was on, But sadly I didn't get to change the battery, the PC
had PSU problems.

Rene

On 24/12/2021 03:01, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-12-23 8:48 p.m., Paul wrote:
>> On 12/23/2021 8:48 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-23 5:53 p.m., Patrick wrote:
>>>> On 23/12/2021 22:54, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>>>>
>>>>> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a
>>>>> plastic cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for
>>>>> cooling (???). The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is,
>>>>> but it seems to be under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at
>>>>> it? How is the armor fixed to the motherboard?
>>>>>
>>>>> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't
>>>>> get at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place
>>>>> that is!)
>>>>
>>>> 8 screws underneath the motherboard;
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/aSTTR_WVtx0?t=147
>>>
>>> That was a real brilliant idea *not*,  the screws from the back of
>>> the M/B !!!
>>>
>>> the  brainiac who thought that one up should have all his pant zippers
>>> and buttons put on the back of his pants.
>>
>> The design is intended for people who "needed a hobby" :-)
>>
>> And besides, you get to clean the dust off things,
>> so it's all good. As long as you don't mind a little
>> dust on your work table. (No, don't use a "Hoover".)
>>
>> *******
>>
>> They make toaster-style battery holders, but a thing
>> like this could not withstand the rigors of handling.
>>
>> https://cdn2.botland.store/61101-pdt_540/cr2032-battery-holder-vertical-5pcs.jpg
>>
>>
>>     Paul
>
> I have run into 1 of those in my travels, but can't remember what brand
> of M/B it was on, But sadly I didn't get to change the battery, the PC
> had PSU problems.
>
> Rene
>
Intel® Desktop Board D201GLY
(upright CMOS battey at bottom-left).

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/C871Rg9WaYGcA1edZ24HEKQLC-8NiJAgD2Kwn6XhRcSwyLQ2Rnw_MrAAAJB4h9-KhGFCiqWG18ZALZ3NX8uA986t3Wijvfya63Bav5SWyWD8RPJzIB134B8S13oVSQ

Char Jackson wrote:

> Here's the first hit on Youtube of a British-sounding guy

Antipodean more like ...

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> Patrick wrote:
>> 8 screws underneath the motherboard;
>> https://youtu.be/aSTTR_WVtx0?t=147
>
> That was a real brilliant idea *not*, the screws from the back of the
> M/B !!!
> the brainiac who thought that one up should have all his pant zippers
> and buttons put on the back of his pants.

Would that make the M/B coin cell easier accessible?

-p

VanguardLH wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSTTR_WVtx0
> The mutters a lot

It's muttering all over. Turning on subtitling makes it a lot
more understandable, but also quite hilarious (around 6:09):
"so I'm just actually put it back on but not sure whether I have
these fans back against him sexually Chuck and Dustin yeah"

-p

On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 17:33:25, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
>"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
[]
>Following videos found by searching Youtube on "ASUS Sabertooth Z77 cmos
>battery". YT is handy for finding videos on stuff like this. Google
>Images is also good for seeing pics of the mobo (pick large size to help
>get closeups).
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSTTR_WVtx0
>The mutters a lot, but you can see the screws on the backside of the
>mobo you have to remove which also means you have to remove the mobo
>from the backplated on which it gets mounted. Notice you have to remove
>a fan atop the armor plate.
>
>When putting back together, you might consider discarding the armor
>plate. This mobo isn't installed inside a case, or you leave the side
>panel off? I would've tossed the armor cover when I built the computer.

This was a computer already built and given to my friend. Considering
the amount of effort we had getting all 8 SATA cables in and to stay in,
the thought of dismantling the computer (you have to unplug more or less
everything to take the mobo out) ... I've just convinced my friend to
not turn off the power supply at the back! (If left thus - i. e. in
standby - that's enough to keep the settings.) should he forget or
there's a power cut. four keys - with a pause before each - will make
the computer go: F1, enter, downarrow, enter. (This for a blind friend
who thus can't use a mounse.)
[]
>If you're going toss the armor cover or don't much care about it, see
>the following where the guy snips it off with a diagonal side wire
>cutter. He just snips enough to lift up the armor cover to let him get
>at the cmos battery.

We _might_ do that.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The advantage with David Attenborough is that people just want to hear him
talk. About anything.
- Kirsty Young (Desert Island Discs presenter), RT 2015/9/25-10/2

On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 17:33:40, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
>On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 22:54:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
[]
>Here's the first hit on Youtube of a British-sounding guy who needed to
>replace the battery, which he calls a BETT-ree. In his case, the

[Strictly, it's a cell ...(-:]

>motherboard needed to come out of the case, then the 8 screws on the
>back needed to be removed plus a small fan on the front had to be
>removed and Bob's your uncle.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSTTR_WVtx0
>
Thanks for that.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The advantage with David Attenborough is that people just want to hear him
talk. About anything.
- Kirsty Young (Desert Island Discs presenter), RT 2015/9/25-10/2

On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 18:36:04, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
>On 12/23/2021 5:54 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a
>>plastic cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for
>>cooling (???). The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is,
>>but it seems to be under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it?
>>How is the armor fixed to the motherboard?
>> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't
>>get at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place
>>that is!)
>
>It's a rocket surgery.
>
>Somewhere under that plastic armor, your quarry awaits.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDPl-WtPcs
>
> Paul

Thanks.

I suppose he does show it at the reassembly stage. but he starts from a
position of already having removed the 8 screws holding the "armor" in
place, which are on the _back_ of the mobo so you have to take it out
ofthe case (necessitating more or less dismantling the whole PC)!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The advantage with David Attenborough is that people just want to hear him
talk. About anything.
- Kirsty Young (Desert Island Discs presenter), RT 2015/9/25-10/2

On 2021-12-24 4:23 a.m., Piet wrote:
> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> Patrick wrote:
>>> 8 screws underneath the motherboard;
>>> https://youtu.be/aSTTR_WVtx0?t=147
>>
>> That was a real brilliant idea *not*, the screws from the back of the
>> M/B !!!
>> the brainiac who thought that one up should have all his pant zippers
>> and buttons put on the back of his pants.
>
> Would that make the M/B coin cell easier accessible?
>
> -p
>

Not that one, but the idiot may think a little harder on his future ideas.

Rene

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:35:33 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 17:33:40, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote
>(my responses usually follow points raised):
>>On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 22:54:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>[]
>>Here's the first hit on Youtube of a British-sounding guy who needed to
>>replace the battery, which he calls a BETT-ree. In his case, the
>
>[Strictly, it's a cell ...(-:]

I know. I've seen you having that conversation before. :-)
One cell does not a battery make, eh?

>>motherboard needed to come out of the case, then the 8 screws on the
>>back needed to be removed plus a small fan on the front had to be
>>removed and Bob's your uncle.
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSTTR_WVtx0
>>
>Thanks for that.

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:44:07 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 18:36:04, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
>responses usually follow points raised):
>>On 12/23/2021 5:54 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a
>>>plastic cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for
>>>cooling (???). The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is,
>>>but it seems to be under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it?
>>>How is the armor fixed to the motherboard?
>>> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't
>>>get at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place
>>>that is!)
>>
>>It's a rocket surgery.
>>
>>Somewhere under that plastic armor, your quarry awaits.
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDPl-WtPcs
>>
>> Paul
>
>Thanks.
>
>I suppose he does show it at the reassembly stage. but he starts from a
>position of already having removed the 8 screws holding the "armor" in
>place, which are on the _back_ of the mobo so you have to take it out
>ofthe case (necessitating more or less dismantling the whole PC)!

If you ever bite the bullet and remove the armor, I think I would just
leave it off unless it has a function greater than how it looks.

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 07:26:04 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>
>> Here's the first hit on Youtube of a British-sounding guy
>
>Antipodean more like ...

Thanks, but I'm afraid I'm not worldly and sophisticated enough to know
the difference. :-)

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 at 11:01:12, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
>On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:44:07 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 18:36:04, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
>>responses usually follow points raised):
>>>On 12/23/2021 5:54 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>>> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a
>>>>plastic cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for
>>>>cooling (???). The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is,
>>>>but it seems to be under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it?
>>>>How is the armor fixed to the motherboard?
>>>> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't
>>>>get at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place
>>>>that is!)
>>>
>>>It's a rocket surgery.
>>>
>>>Somewhere under that plastic armor, your quarry awaits.
>>>
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDPl-WtPcs
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>I suppose he does show it at the reassembly stage. but he starts from a
>>position of already having removed the 8 screws holding the "armor" in
>>place, which are on the _back_ of the mobo so you have to take it out
>>ofthe case (necessitating more or less dismantling the whole PC)!
>
>If you ever bite the bullet and remove the armor, I think I would just
>leave it off unless it has a function greater than how it looks.
>
The implication in the manual is that it helps cooling (presumably
that's what the tiny fan is for), and the "Armor" name doesn't have
anything to do with protection in the physical sense.
Certainly with it present, the board was at only around 39-41 at various
places according to a utility (coretemp?) earlier today, though I wasn't
running anything demanding at the time. If we ever do get round to
replacing the cell, I'll be inclined to put back the thing, though maybe
making a hole in it over the cell! (But it's such a pain persuading both
ends of 8 SATA cables to stay in that I doubt we ever will. Not a
satisfying design of connector - at least, the sockets on some drives
don't seem to "click", however hard I push.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Young man, if you think I am going to climb up there you are greatly
mistaken. I am Melba." - Dame Nellie, in June 1920, on being shown the tall
aerials that would enable her voice to be heard around the world.

On 12/24/2021 12:01 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:44:07 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 18:36:04, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
>> responses usually follow points raised):
>>> On 12/23/2021 5:54 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>>> The board seems to have "TUF thermal armor", which seems to be a
>>>> plastic cover over the whole motherboard, providing ducting for
>>>> cooling (???). The motherboard manual shows where the coin cell is,
>>>> but it seems to be under this sheet; if it is, how do you get at it?
>>>> How is the armor fixed to the motherboard?
>>>> (We think the cell has run down and is causing problems, but can't
>>>> get at it to measure it - assuming we're looking in the right place
>>>> that is!)
>>>
>>> It's a rocket surgery.
>>>
>>> Somewhere under that plastic armor, your quarry awaits.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDPl-WtPcs
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> I suppose he does show it at the reassembly stage. but he starts from a
>> position of already having removed the 8 screws holding the "armor" in
>> place, which are on the _back_ of the mobo so you have to take it out
>> ofthe case (necessitating more or less dismantling the whole PC)!
>
> If you ever bite the bullet and remove the armor, I think I would just
> leave it off unless it has a function greater than how it looks.
>
Cover is probably for temperature control so I would cut an access hole
and "outside" tape over it or single pop rivet a pivoting cover plate.
Another thought is to add cell holder to outside of armor and wire it
into socket with long enough wires to allow pivoting cover out of the
way if have to access again at another time.

On 12/24/2021 9:59 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:35:33 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 17:33:40, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote
>>(my responses usually follow points raised):
>>>On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 22:54:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>[]
>>>Here's the first hit on Youtube of a British-sounding guy who needed to
>>>replace the battery, which he calls a BETT-ree. In his case, the
>>
>>[Strictly, it's a cell ...(-:]
>
> I know. I've seen you having that conversation before. :-)
> One cell does not a battery make, eh?

Even though I know that, I always say "battery," not "cell."

On 12/24/2021 10:54 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-12-24 4:23 a.m., Piet wrote:
>> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> Patrick wrote:
>>>> 8 screws underneath the motherboard;
>>>> https://youtu.be/aSTTR_WVtx0?t=147
>>>
>>> That was a real brilliant idea *not*,  the screws from the back of the
>>> M/B !!!
>>> the brainiac who thought that one up should have all his pant zippers
>>> and buttons put on the back of his pants.
>>
>> Would that make the M/B coin cell easier accessible?
>>
>> -p
>>
>
> Not that one, but the idiot may think a little harder on his future ideas.
>
> Rene

Reminds me of mechanical engineering school and first design/drawing
class where many came up with terrific designs that could not be
disassembled after final assembly. Magic needed!

Ken Blake wrote:
> On 12/24/2021 9:59 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:35:33 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 17:33:40, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>>> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 22:54:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>> []
>>>> Here's the first hit on Youtube of a British-sounding guy who needed to
>>>> replace the battery, which he calls a BETT-ree. In his case, the
>>>
>>> [Strictly, it's a cell ...(-:]
>>
>> I know. I've seen you having that conversation before. :-)
>> One cell does not a battery make, eh?
>
>
> Even though I know that, I always say "battery," not "cell."
A single AA battery is one cell.
one anode, one cathode, between the electroyte
A car battery 12v is six cells.
A 12 volt lithium battery is 4 cells.

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