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 by: Retrograde - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 14:21 UTC

From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
Feed: OSnews
Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors
Author: Thom Holwerda
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/

HP launched a subscription service[1] today that rents people a printer,
allots them a specific amount of printed pages, and sends them ink for a
monthly fee. HP is framing its service as a way to simplify printing for
families and small businesses, but the deal also comes with monitoring and a
years-long commitment.

Prices range from $6.99 per month for a plan that includes an HP Envy printer
(the current model is the 6020e) and 20 printed pages. The priciest plan
includes an HP OfficeJet Pro rental and 700 printed pages for $35.99 per
month.
↫ Scharon Harding at Ars Technica[2]

Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?

Links:
[1]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/all-in-plan/printers.html (link)
[2]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/ (link)

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 by: Marco Moock - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 14:44 UTC

Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:

> Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?

I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
I hate such business models, because you don't own the stuff you pay
for.

I will continue to use the older HP and Samsung printers I have at home
for the ~20 pages I need to print per year.
Those printers don't have a NIC, they have USB or parallel, and they
are supported in Linux.

Such printers are widely available and ink is available from 3rd
parties.

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 by: candycanearter07 - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 15:20 UTC

Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote at 14:44 this Friday (GMT):
> Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
>
>> Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
>
> I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
> I hate such business models, because you don't own the stuff you pay
> for.
>
> I will continue to use the older HP and Samsung printers I have at home
> for the ~20 pages I need to print per year.
> Those printers don't have a NIC, they have USB or parallel, and they
> are supported in Linux.
>
> Such printers are widely available and ink is available from 3rd
> parties.

Cheers!
--
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 by: candycanearter07 - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 15:20 UTC

Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote at 14:21 this Friday (GMT):
> From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
> Feed: OSnews
> Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors
> Author: Thom Holwerda
> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
> Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
>
>
> HP launched a subscription service[1] today that rents people a printer,
> allots them a specific amount of printed pages, and sends them ink for a
> monthly fee. HP is framing its service as a way to simplify printing for
> families and small businesses, but the deal also comes with monitoring and a
> years-long commitment.
>
> Prices range from $6.99 per month for a plan that includes an HP Envy printer
> (the current model is the 6020e) and 20 printed pages. The priciest plan
> includes an HP OfficeJet Pro rental and 700 printed pages for $35.99 per
> month.
> ↫ Scharon Harding at Ars Technica[2]
>
> Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
>
> Links:
> [1]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/all-in-plan/printers.html (link)
> [2]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/ (link)

If you have to buy a bundle that includes one then you'd have to pay
more for no printer.
--
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 by: yeti - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:05 UTC

Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:

> Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors

I know a healthcare company that works with remote controlled
printer/scanner/copier units.

They either did not or refused to understand why I think that's scary.

--
I do not bite, I just want to play.

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 by: Rich - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 22:48 UTC

Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
> Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
>
>> Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
>
> I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)

Most of us here likely feel the same way.

Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as
a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for
other printers.

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 by: candycanearter07 - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 05:05 UTC

Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 22:48 this Friday (GMT):
> Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>> Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
>>
>>> Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
>>
>> I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
>
> Most of us here likely feel the same way.
>
> Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as
> a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for
> other printers.

"Money speaks" and stuff.
--
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 by: Rich - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 05:45 UTC

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 22:48 this Friday (GMT):
>> Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>>> Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
>>>
>>>> Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
>>>
>>> I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
>>
>> Most of us here likely feel the same way.
>>
>> Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as
>> a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for
>> other printers.
>
> "Money speaks" and stuff.

That, and there will likely be some subset of the lemmings that will
buy it, without realizing the 'subscription aspect', and afterward
their own cognitive dissonance will kick in and they will rationalize
the 'subscription' as somehow being better for them than the
alternative, in order not to admit they had been duped.

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 by: D - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 09:34 UTC

On Sat, 2 Mar 2024, Rich wrote:

> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 22:48 this Friday (GMT):
>>> Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>>>> Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
>>>>
>>>>> Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
>>>>
>>>> I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
>>>
>>> Most of us here likely feel the same way.
>>>
>>> Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as
>>> a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for
>>> other printers.
>>
>> "Money speaks" and stuff.
>
> That, and there will likely be some subset of the lemmings that will
> buy it, without realizing the 'subscription aspect', and afterward
> their own cognitive dissonance will kick in and they will rationalize
> the 'subscription' as somehow being better for them than the
> alternative, in order not to admit they had been duped.
>

That reminds me, wasn't it that one of the big german car manufacturers
started selling extra features as "services" you had to pay for month
after month?

I would expect them to stop doing that pretty quickly.

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 by: Richard Kettlewell - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 09:51 UTC

Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
> From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
> Feed: OSnews
> Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors
> Author: Thom Holwerda
> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
> Link:
> https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/

HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have many
others businesses; there’s demonstrably a market for it. I suspect it
makes more sense for businesses than individuals.

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 by: Marco Moock - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 11:38 UTC

On 01.03.2024 um 22:48 Uhr Rich wrote:

> Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it
> as a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this
> for other printers.

They can do that, but I will not buy/rent those printers.
I have one working Samsung laser with one spare catridge,
an HP OfficeJet J4585 (new ink needed) and an OfficeJet 350 (new ink
needed).

If the Samsung dies, I have those 2. I only need to refill the ink (if
possible) or buy new ink patrons.

And I know that people throw away perfectly working devices, so I have
a look at them.

There is no reason for me to buy a new printer.

--
kind regards
Marco

Send spam to 1709329711muell@cartoonies.org

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 by: Rich - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:38 UTC

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024, Rich wrote:
>
>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 22:48 this Friday (GMT):
>>>> Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>>>>> Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Most of us here likely feel the same way.
>>>>
>>>> Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as
>>>> a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for
>>>> other printers.
>>>
>>> "Money speaks" and stuff.
>>
>> That, and there will likely be some subset of the lemmings that will
>> buy it, without realizing the 'subscription aspect', and afterward
>> their own cognitive dissonance will kick in and they will rationalize
>> the 'subscription' as somehow being better for them than the
>> alternative, in order not to admit they had been duped.
>>
>
> That reminds me, wasn't it that one of the big german car manufacturers
> started selling extra features as "services" you had to pay for month
> after month?
>
> I would expect them to stop doing that pretty quickly.

BMW - heated seats.

You could order "heated seats" as a fixed-price option on a new car, or
"subscribe" later if you didn't order the option when new (as the car
seats included all the heater coils and control unit, the software just
would not turn the resistive heaters on if you had not "purchased" the
option). If I remember right, after a lot of "bad publicity" they
backed off on this (for now, I expect them to try it again).

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 by: D - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 17:32 UTC

On Sat, 2 Mar 2024, Rich wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024, Rich wrote:
>>
>>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 22:48 this Friday (GMT):
>>>>> Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>>>>>> Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of us here likely feel the same way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as
>>>>> a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for
>>>>> other printers.
>>>>
>>>> "Money speaks" and stuff.
>>>
>>> That, and there will likely be some subset of the lemmings that will
>>> buy it, without realizing the 'subscription aspect', and afterward
>>> their own cognitive dissonance will kick in and they will rationalize
>>> the 'subscription' as somehow being better for them than the
>>> alternative, in order not to admit they had been duped.
>>>
>>
>> That reminds me, wasn't it that one of the big german car manufacturers
>> started selling extra features as "services" you had to pay for month
>> after month?
>>
>> I would expect them to stop doing that pretty quickly.
>
> BMW - heated seats.
>
> You could order "heated seats" as a fixed-price option on a new car, or
> "subscribe" later if you didn't order the option when new (as the car
> seats included all the heater coils and control unit, the software just
> would not turn the resistive heaters on if you had not "purchased" the
> option). If I remember right, after a lot of "bad publicity" they
> backed off on this (for now, I expect them to try it again).

Thank you. Ah, that will be interesting. Plenty of competitors will likely
not do that and try to get marketshare, so I think the car market is too
competitive for foolishness such as this to get a hold. I guess printers
are a more centralized and consolidated market.

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 by: dbnnet - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 18:59 UTC

In article <65e1e472$0$19594$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
fungus@amongus.com.invalid says...
>From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
>Feed: OSnews
>Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it
monitors
>Author: Thom Holwerda
>Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
>Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-
month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
>
>
>HP launched a subscription service[1] today that rents people a printer,
>allots them a specific amount of printed pages, and sends them ink for a
>monthly fee. HP is framing its service as a way to simplify printing for
>families and small businesses, but the deal also comes with monitoring and
a >years-long commitment.
>
>Prices range from $6.99 per month for a plan that includes an HP Envy
printer
>(the current model is the 6020e) and 20 printed pages. The priciest plan
>includes an HP OfficeJet Pro rental and 700 printed pages for $35.99 per
>month.
>? Scharon Harding at Ars Technica[2]
>
>Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
>
>Links:
>[1]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/all-in-plan/printers.html (link)
>[2]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-
month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/ (link)
>

It's not only HP who are determined to milk the customer dry.
Epson are apparently using planned obsolescence to "Brick" certain printers
after a fixed period of time:
https://gizmodo.com/epson-printer-end-of-service-life-error-not-working-
dea-1849384045

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 by: D - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 20:59 UTC

On Sat, 2 Mar 2024, dbnnet wrote:

> In article <65e1e472$0$19594$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> fungus@amongus.com.invalid says...
>> From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
>> Feed: OSnews
>> Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it
> monitors
>> Author: Thom Holwerda
>> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
>> Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-
> month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
>>
>>
>> HP launched a subscription service[1] today that rents people a printer,
>> allots them a specific amount of printed pages, and sends them ink for a
>> monthly fee. HP is framing its service as a way to simplify printing for
>> families and small businesses, but the deal also comes with monitoring and
> a
>> years-long commitment.
>>
>> Prices range from $6.99 per month for a plan that includes an HP Envy
> printer
>> (the current model is the 6020e) and 20 printed pages. The priciest plan
>> includes an HP OfficeJet Pro rental and 700 printed pages for $35.99 per
>> month.
>> ? Scharon Harding at Ars Technica[2]
>>
>> Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
>>
>> Links:
>> [1]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/all-in-plan/printers.html (link)
>> [2]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-
> month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/ (link)
>>
>
> It's not only HP who are determined to milk the customer dry.
> Epson are apparently using planned obsolescence to "Brick" certain printers
> after a fixed period of time:
> https://gizmodo.com/epson-printer-end-of-service-life-error-not-working-
> dea-1849384045
>
>

Hmm, if that is proven, I'm pretty sure it would be illegal in some EU
countries.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 23:16 UTC

dbnnet <dbnnet@invalid.com> wrote:
> It's not only HP who are determined to milk the customer dry.
> Epson are apparently using planned obsolescence to "Brick" certain printers
> after a fixed period of time:
> https://gizmodo.com/epson-printer-end-of-service-life-error-not-working-
> dea-1849384045

That's nothing new. I think that trick's as old as cheap ink-jet
printers themselves, because they all have the sponge that can't
officially be replaced (even though it's often easy to access).

Epson's mistake was obviously using their fancy modern LCD display
to actually explain the error message. Old ink-jets like the ones
I've owned before I got fed up with the technology entirely would
just one day flash an LED in a patten which the manual explains as
something like "hardware malfunction", and everyone just assumes
something's actually broken rather than a mere soggy sponge. From
lack of other symptoms I suspect that's what happened to an old
(parallel port) Lexmark ink-jet I had.

Canon do the same thing:
https://www.canon.com.au/support/sims-content?pid=4895fb3b3d1d414dac1447260ed7920d&cid=67413794F30646D09D614333C720646C

As they say, it might depend on how often the cleaning cycle is
run. People who infrequently print buy ink-jets, yet such usage
causes more cleaning cycles and therefore more wasted ink, and then
the sponge fills up so the printer dies. So they're actually
terrible for that sort of application.

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 by: D - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 10:07 UTC

On Sun, 3 Mar 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> dbnnet <dbnnet@invalid.com> wrote:
>> It's not only HP who are determined to milk the customer dry.
>> Epson are apparently using planned obsolescence to "Brick" certain printers
>> after a fixed period of time:
>> https://gizmodo.com/epson-printer-end-of-service-life-error-not-working-
>> dea-1849384045
>
> That's nothing new. I think that trick's as old as cheap ink-jet
> printers themselves, because they all have the sponge that can't
> officially be replaced (even though it's often easy to access).
>
> Epson's mistake was obviously using their fancy modern LCD display
> to actually explain the error message. Old ink-jets like the ones
> I've owned before I got fed up with the technology entirely would
> just one day flash an LED in a patten which the manual explains as
> something like "hardware malfunction", and everyone just assumes
> something's actually broken rather than a mere soggy sponge. From
> lack of other symptoms I suspect that's what happened to an old
> (parallel port) Lexmark ink-jet I had.
>
> Canon do the same thing:
> https://www.canon.com.au/support/sims-content?pid=4895fb3b3d1d414dac1447260ed7920d&cid=67413794F30646D09D614333C720646C
>
> As they say, it might depend on how often the cleaning cycle is
> run. People who infrequently print buy ink-jets, yet such usage
> causes more cleaning cycles and therefore more wasted ink, and then
> the sponge fills up so the printer dies. So they're actually
> terrible for that sort of application.

It seems like I was lucky! I have a 10 year old officejet (if not older)
and it just works.

In my second home, I inherited an old used HP and if also works fine. It
seems like I dodged a bullet by _not_ choosing to buy a new printer but
inheriting an old one as well.

Oh, and both of them work on linux!

Best regards,
Daniel

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 by: candycanearter07 - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 15:55 UTC

Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:51 this Saturday (GMT):
> Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
>> From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
>> Feed: OSnews
>> Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors
>> Author: Thom Holwerda
>> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
>> Link:
>> https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
>
> HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have many
> others businesses; there’s demonstrably a market for it. I suspect it
> makes more sense for businesses than individuals.

LEASES? We really are entering the "You will own nothing" era..
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 by: Bob Eager - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 16:47 UTC

On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:55:09 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:

> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:51 this
> Saturday (GMT):
>> Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
>>> From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
>>> Feed: OSnews Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a
>>> printer that it monitors Author: Thom Holwerda Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024
>>> 19:47:12 -0500 Link:
>>> https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-
month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
>>
>> HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have many
>> others businesses; there’s demonstrably a market for it. I suspect it
>> makes more sense for businesses than individuals.
>
> LEASES? We really are entering the "You will own nothing" era..

Not uncommon on high end printers. My son works for Konica Minolta, and at
that level that's all they do.

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 by: Scott Alfter - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 16:58 UTC

In article <6c9a0246-7b6e-42f2-1602-31b8c29698c2@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 2 Mar 2024, dbnnet wrote:
>> It's not only HP who are determined to milk the customer dry. Epson are
>> apparently using planned obsolescence to "Brick" certain printers after a
>> fixed period of time:
>> https://gizmodo.com/epson-printer-end-of-service-life-error-not-working-
>> dea-1849384045
>
>Hmm, if that is proven, I'm pretty sure it would be illegal in some EU
>countries.

Considering the source (Gizmodo was part of Gawker, which got sued into
bankruptcy over its serial lies), it's almost certainly false. Epson inkjet
printers have a "maintenance box" that's basically a sponge to soak up ink
from printhead cleaning. When it gets full, the printer stops working until
you replace it. Buy a new one (this 3rd-party unit was about $13 when I
bought it: https://amzn.to/42ZJpSb), spend a few minutes removing the old
one and installing the new one, and you're back in business.

I've also heard of people disassembling the maintenance box, rinsing out the
ink, putting it back together, and using something to fool the printer into
thinking a new maintenance box has been installed. Considering the mess
that ink makes when it goes where it shouldn't, you're better off just
replacing it IMHO.

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 by: Scott Dorsey - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 17:34 UTC

Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:55:09 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:51 this
>> Saturday (GMT):
>>> Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
>>>> From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
>>>> Feed: OSnews Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a
>>>> printer that it monitors Author: Thom Holwerda Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024
>>>> 19:47:12 -0500 Link:
>>>> https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-
>month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
>>>
>>> HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have many
>>> others businesses; there’s demonstrably a market for it. I suspect it
>>> makes more sense for businesses than individuals.
>>
>> LEASES? We really are entering the "You will own nothing" era..
>
>Not uncommon on high end printers. My son works for Konica Minolta, and at
>that level that's all they do.

That is in fact how Xerox started out. IBM too. But we got away from that
and now it looks like we are headed right back.
--scott

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 by: candycanearter07 - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 18:30 UTC

Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote at 17:34 this Monday (GMT):
> Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>>On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:55:09 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:51 this
>>> Saturday (GMT):
>>>> Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
>>>>> From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
>>>>> Feed: OSnews Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a
>>>>> printer that it monitors Author: Thom Holwerda Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024
>>>>> 19:47:12 -0500 Link:
>>>>> https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-
>>month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
>>>>
>>>> HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have many
>>>> others businesses; there’s demonstrably a market for it. I suspect it
>>>> makes more sense for businesses than individuals.
>>>
>>> LEASES? We really are entering the "You will own nothing" era..
>>
>>Not uncommon on high end printers. My son works for Konica Minolta, and at
>>that level that's all they do.
>
> That is in fact how Xerox started out. IBM too. But we got away from that
> and now it looks like we are headed right back.
> --scott

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 by: Rich - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 19:07 UTC

Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
> Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>>On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:55:09 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:51 this
>>> Saturday (GMT):
>>>> Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
>>>>> From the ??eat sh*t and die, HP?? department:
>>>>> Feed: OSnews Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a
>>>>> printer that it monitors Author: Thom Holwerda Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024
>>>>> 19:47:12 -0500 Link:
>>>>> https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-
>>month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
>>>>
>>>> HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have
>>>> many others businesses; there???s demonstrably a market for it. I
>>>> suspect it makes more sense for businesses than individuals.
>>>
>>> LEASES? We really are entering the "You will own nothing" era..
>>
>>Not uncommon on high end printers. My son works for Konica Minolta,
>>and at that level that's all they do.
>
> That is in fact how Xerox started out. IBM too. But we got away
> from that and now it looks like we are headed right back.

The 'corporate' world never left that environment. Many larger
printers and almost all standalone copiers are leased by the companies
that utilize them. The companies do that because the lease also
provides "service" (when things break) and "support" (sometime
supplies, assistance integrating with the companies network/computers,
etc.) and as well frees the company using the equipment from having to
expense the equipment on their tax filings (the lessor would be the one
having to handle that detail).

What is different here is the push to bring "leased" to the
home/retail market. For the obvious reasons of opening up a
continuious revenue stream for the maker as opposed to a one time sales
reciept.

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 by: Theo - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 15:15 UTC

Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
> Considering the source (Gizmodo was part of Gawker, which got sued into
> bankruptcy over its serial lies), it's almost certainly false. Epson inkjet
> printers have a "maintenance box" that's basically a sponge to soak up ink
> from printhead cleaning. When it gets full, the printer stops working until
> you replace it. Buy a new one (this 3rd-party unit was about $13 when I
> bought it: https://amzn.to/42ZJpSb), spend a few minutes removing the old
> one and installing the new one, and you're back in business.
>
> I've also heard of people disassembling the maintenance box, rinsing out the
> ink, putting it back together, and using something to fool the printer into
> thinking a new maintenance box has been installed. Considering the mess
> that ink makes when it goes where it shouldn't, you're better off just
> replacing it IMHO.

My printer has a replaceable maintenance box. It's otherwise identical to
the previous version which didn't. On the old one, when the box would fill
up it would stop with a 'waste ink pad full' message. Epson says this is a
service visit ($$$) - because you don't just replace the pads, you have to
reset the Waste Ink Counter with their special software. For a years-old
printer that was a couple of hundred to buy, few are going to pay for a
service visit to keep it going. It's constructive planned obsolescence.

Of course, the aftermarket has come up with some third party ink pads and
cracked the encryption on the ink counter. So no service visit required -
but no thanks to Epson.

Theo

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 by: Rich - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 16:54 UTC

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
>> I've also heard of people disassembling the maintenance box, rinsing
>> out the ink, putting it back together, and using something to fool
>> the printer into thinking a new maintenance box has been installed.
>> Considering the mess that ink makes when it goes where it shouldn't,
>> you're better off just replacing it IMHO.
>
> My printer has a replaceable maintenance box. It's otherwise
> identical to the previous version which didn't. On the old one, when
> the box would fill up it would stop with a 'waste ink pad full'
> message. Epson says this is a service visit ($$$) - because you
> don't just replace the pads, you have to reset the Waste Ink Counter
> with their special software. For a years-old printer that was a
> couple of hundred to buy, few are going to pay for a service visit to
> keep it going. It's constructive planned obsolescence.

More than that, it is also wasting printer ink that (at, for example,
HP pricing) cost on the order of hundreds or thousands of dollars an
ounce. Every drop of expensive ink squirted into the "cleaning sponge"
is ink you paid for that did not get used for a printout.

So it is also in the makers best interest to do /more/ cleanings than
necessary, and to squirt /more/ ink than necessary on each cleaning to
produce a higher rate of ink sales.

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