On 19/4/21 8:55 am, faeychild wrote:

To avoid the drama I decided to reinstall and use "Princeton"

All went well with the updates except for a dependency with mplayer.

Then I decided to install the nvidia driver and failed

************

Some requested packages cannot be installed
gcc-10.3.0-1.mga8.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied libisl.so.15()-
(64bit))
x11-driver-nvidia-video-current-460.67.mga8.nonfree.x86_64
(due to unsatisfied lib64nvidia-egl-wayland1)
**************

Last time the driver installed OK and the updates failed with dependencies

This time the updates went in fine and the driver failed with dependencies

Haven't bothered to install the printer again

It is an unpredictable mess

Is there a secret Masonic installation order in which things must be done?

I really HATE new releases

maybe tomorrow

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faeychild
Running plasmashell 5.15.4 on 5.10.27-desktop-1.mga7 kernel.
Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 16:16:55 +1000, faeychild wrote:
> On 19/4/21 8:55 am, faeychild wrote:
>
>
> To avoid the drama I decided to reinstall and use "Princeton"

Going to guess a classic dvd iso was used.

> All went well with the updates except for a dependency with mplayer.

I have always found it best to immediately fix problems even unrelated
to the problem I am trying to fix.

> Then I decided to install the nvidia driver and failed
>
>
> ************
>
> Some requested packages cannot be installed
> gcc-10.3.0-1.mga8.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied libisl.so.15()-
> (64bit))
> x11-driver-nvidia-video-current-460.67.mga8.nonfree.x86_64
> (due to unsatisfied lib64nvidia-egl-wayland1)
> **************

$ grep devel new_install
x_urpmi kernel-${_ker_type}-devel-latest ! needed to compile drivers/modules

Going to guess you did not install the above package for your kernel type.

> Last time the driver installed OK and the updates failed with dependencies
>
> This time the updates went in fine and the driver failed with dependencies
>
> Haven't bothered to install the printer again
>
> It is an unpredictable mess
>
> Is there a secret Masonic installation order in which things must be done?

My methodology is
o format target partition
o set media and partition label
o clean install using netinstall iso.
o run my day_one_install script <== sets system up for install/change scripts
o reboot and run it again using the "script" command to get a log.
o run my new_install script <== this is where the devel rpm was installed
o reboot
o run my install_addons script
o run my install_toys script
o run my install_changes script
o reboot

Log into bittwister and run my install_links script to link common stuff
in $HOME that is shared across/between installs and create/setup my
Desktop Environment (Xfce) changes.

Log out/in and do any DE changes that were not automated.

> I really HATE new releases

Oh yeah, guessing you did not update ~/.bash_profile to generate
your ~/.signature file or you are posting from your Mga7 install.

On 19/4/21 5:59 pm, Bit Twister wrote:
n"
>
> Going to guess a classic dvd iso was used.

Yep Built onto a USB stick

>
> Going to guess you did not install the above package for your kernel type.

Nope I gave up. Spoiled brat time!!

Waited awhile

My method just completed

Reinstall from USB

By the book according to the installer - No diversions

Selected yes for proprietary driver when asked

Selected yes for upgrades when asked

I let the installer run its course and install the updates, when asked

After all that The operation was a success

>
> Oh yeah, guessing you did not update ~/.bash_profile to generate
> your ~/.signature file or you are posting from your Mga7 install.
>

That is one of the many little custom changes that must be done to a new
setup.

The printer is NOT in yet. Cups is - and running

Printer driver script tomorrow and we may be home and hosed

regards

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faeychild
Running plasmashell 5.15.4 on 5.10.27-desktop-1.mga7 kernel.
Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:20:30 +1000, faeychild wrote:
> On 19/4/21 5:59 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

>> Oh yeah, guessing you did not update ~/.bash_profile to generate
>> your ~/.signature file or you are posting from your Mga7 install.
>>
>
> That is one of the many little custom changes that must be done to a new
> setup.

I have a /accounts/$USER directory that has directories/files shared
across installs. the install_links gets list from /accounts/$USER
deletes directories/files in $HOME and creates link back to /accounts/$USER
Example:
$ ls -l .bash_profile
lrwxrwxrwx 1 bittwister bittwister 34 Feb 9 22:24 .bash_profile ->
/accounts/bittwister/.bash_profile

That way I do not have to modify $HOME/.bash_profile

On 19/4/21 8:28 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

> $ ls -l .bash_profile
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 bittwister bittwister 34 Feb 9 22:24 .bash_profile ->
> /accounts/bittwister/.bash_profile
>
> That way I do not have to modify $HOME/.bash_profile

Intelligent organization can work wonders, it just rarely happens.

For instance

https://doc.mageia.org/mcc/3/en/content/system-config-printer.html

Is a list of instructions to install a printer with MCC.
Almost at the bottom of the page it states

************
"You should install Brother drivers before running the configuration
utility"
************

Yes! of course. Surely that's the first instruction, I would have thought.

I am getting much better at the procedure through practice

regards

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faeychild
Running plasmashell 5.15.4 on 5.10.27-desktop-1.mga7 kernel.
Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso

On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 07:44:30 +1000, faeychild wrote:
> On 19/4/21 8:28 pm, Bit Twister wrote:
>
>
>> $ ls -l .bash_profile
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 bittwister bittwister 34 Feb 9 22:24 .bash_profile ->
>> /accounts/bittwister/.bash_profile
>>
>> That way I do not have to modify $HOME/.bash_profile
>
> Intelligent organization can work wonders, it just rarely happens.
>
> For instance
>
> https://doc.mageia.org/mcc/3/en/content/system-config-printer.html
>
> Is a list of instructions to install a printer with MCC.
> Almost at the bottom of the page it states
>
> ************
> "You should install Brother drivers before running the configuration
> utility"
> ************
>
> Yes! of course. Surely that's the first instruction, I would have thought.
>
> I am getting much better at the procedure through practice

Yeah, I used to have a checklist, until it dawned on me instead of
documenting what to do when, I could just put the commands in a script.

On 20/4/21 12:36 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

> Yeah, I used to have a checklist, until it dawned on me instead of
> documenting what to do when, I could just put the commands in a script.
>

It has severely crossed my mind occasionally.

The other customization that I forget until I shutdown the new install
is to add MY shutdown permission to the sudoers file - sigh

regards

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faeychild
Running plasmashell 5.15.4 on 5.10.27-desktop-1.mga7 kernel.
Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso

On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 13:11:11 +1000, faeychild wrote:
> On 20/4/21 12:36 pm, Bit Twister wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I used to have a checklist, until it dawned on me instead of
>> documenting what to do when, I could just put the commands in a script.
>>
>
> It has severely crossed my mind occasionally.
>
> The other customization that I forget until I shutdown the new install
> is to add MY shutdown permission to the sudoers file - sigh

I can recommend using a drop-in file whenever possible. Those are files
in a .d/ directory and have the changes/directives that you want to add/change/delete.

sudoers man page indicates you can create directory /etc/sudoers.d/ if
/etc/sudoers has "#includedir /etc/sudoers.d". Easy check, run

tail -3 /etc/sudoers

Files are executed in the order found.

Here you can see that my "sudo_changes" script created the directory
and two files.

]# ls -lA /etc/sudoers.d/ | head -3
total 8
-rw-r----- 1 root root 303 Feb 9 21:25 xx__a_general
-rw-r----- 1 root root 270 Feb 9 21:25 xx__bittwister

You just have the directives you would have made in /etc/sudoers.
Example:
]# cat /etc/sudoers.d/xx__a_general
## *********************************************************
## Created by /local/bin/sudo_changes Tue 09 Feb 21:25 2021
## *********************************************************

Host_Alias CSNETS = 192.168.11.0/24
Cmnd_Alias SU = /usr/bin/su

## ******** end /etc/sudoers.d/xx__a_general ********

I use xx__ on all my change files to make them easier to find.

]# locate xx__ | wc -l
66

On 4/19/21 5:44 PM, faeychild wrote:
>
> Intelligent organization can work wonders, it just rarely happens.
>
> For instance
>
> https://doc.mageia.org/mcc/3/en/content/system-config-printer.html
>
> Is a list of instructions to install a printer with MCC.
> Almost at the bottom of the page it states
>
> ************
> "You should install Brother drivers before running the configuration
> utility"
> ************
>
> Yes! of course. Surely that's the first instruction, I would have thought.
>
Only if you have a Brother printer.

Personally, I've stumbled enough times in my life that I've learned that
it's usually best to read docs like that page all the way through at
least once before attempting a procedure.

> I am getting much better at the procedure through practice

People usually do.

TJ

On 21/4/21 1:12 am, TJ wrote:

>
> Personally, I've stumbled enough times in my life that I've learned that
> it's usually best to read docs like that page all the way through at
> least once before attempting a procedure.

Absolutely!

There is a classic recipe for Rabbit stew
It describes the preparation of the vegetables and how to fry the onions
and saute the vegetables. Herbs and seasoning.
The length of simmering and reduction.

Oh!! And first, catch a Rabbit

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faeychild
Running plasmashell 5.15.4 on 5.10.27-desktop-1.mga7 kernel.
Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 20/4/21 6:36 pm, Bit Twister wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 13:11:11 +1000, faeychild wrote:

> I can recommend using a drop-in file whenever possible. Those are files
> in a .d/ directory and have the changes/directives that you want to add/change/delete.
>
> sudoers man page indicates you can create directory /etc/sudoers.d/ if
> /etc/sudoers has "#includedir /etc/sudoers.d". Easy check, run
>
> tail -3 /etc/sudoers

## Read drop-in files from /etc/sudoers.d (the # here does not mean a
comment)
#includedir /etc/sudoers.d

It is less perilous work than "vi /etc/sudoers" and it could also be
farmed out through a link

I should test it on the new setup

Which now includes drivers and printer installed late last night
A traditionally stupid time to do any computer configuration

regards

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faeychild
Running plasmashell 5.15.4 on 5.10.27-desktop-1.mga7 kernel.
Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 21.04.2021 at 07:22, faeychild scribbled:

> On 21/4/21 1:12 am, TJ wrote:
>
> >
> > Personally, I've stumbled enough times in my life that I've learned
> > that it's usually best to read docs like that page all the way
> > through at least once before attempting a procedure.
>
> Absolutely!
>
> There is a classic recipe for Rabbit stew
> It describes the preparation of the vegetables and how to fry the
> onions and saute the vegetables. Herbs and seasoning.
> The length of simmering and reduction.
>
> Oh!! And first, catch a Rabbit

That par is easy. Just go into the woods, hide behind a tree and
imitate the sound of a carrot. :p

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= Aragorn =

On 21/4/21 7:42 am, Aragorn wrote:

>
> That par is easy. Just go into the woods, hide behind a tree and
> imitate the sound of a carrot. :p

It works every time :-)

regards

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faeychild
Running plasmashell 5.15.4 on 5.10.27-desktop-1.mga7 kernel.
Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso

On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:33:26 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> It is less perilous work than "vi /etc/sudoers" and it could also be
> farmed out through a link

Note that you don't have to use vi. From man sudoedit in the environment section ...
EDITOR Default editor to use in -e (sudoedit) mode if neither SUDO_EDITOR nor VISUAL is set.

I use ...
$ env|grep EDITOR
EDITOR=/usr/bin/mcedit

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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email replies.

On 21/4/21 12:08 pm, David W. Hodgins wrote:

>
> Note that you don't have to use vi. From man sudoedit in the environment
> section ...
> EDITOR           Default editor to use in -e (sudoedit) mode if neither
> SUDO_EDITOR nor VISUAL is set.
>
> I use ...
> $ env|grep EDITOR
> EDITOR=/usr/bin/mcedit

~]$ env|grep EDITOR
[faeychild@unimatrix ~]$

Not set

And I was reminded by the man page that I should use visudo not vi

It's so infrequent that I forget

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faeychild
Running plasmashell 5.15.4 on 5.10.27-desktop-1.mga7 kernel.
Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:31:40 +1000, faeychild wrote:
> On 21/4/21 12:08 pm, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>
>>
>> Note that you don't have to use vi. From man sudoedit in the environment
>> section ...
>> EDITOR           Default editor to use in -e (sudoedit) mode if neither
>> SUDO_EDITOR nor VISUAL is set.
>>
>> I use ...
>> $ env|grep EDITOR
>> EDITOR=/usr/bin/mcedit
>
>
> ~]$ env|grep EDITOR
> [faeychild@unimatrix ~]$
>
> Not set

FYI:
EDITOR defines which editor to use on files.
VISUAL defines which editor commands to use on the command line
Some apps allow you to have a application editor.

$ env | grep -iE "vis|edit"
EDITOR=geany
SLRN_EDITOR=geany
VISUAL=emacs
>
> And I was reminded by the man page that I should use visudo not vi

Yes, because it will check sudoe syntax.

>
> It's so infrequent that I forget

On 22/4/21 12:49 am, Bit Twister wrote:

>
> FYI:
> EDITOR defines which editor to use on files.
> VISUAL defines which editor commands to use on the command line
> Some apps allow you to have a application editor.
>
> $ env | grep -iE "vis|edit"
> EDITOR=geany
> SLRN_EDITOR=geany
> VISUAL=emacs
>>

My favorite editor is Kate. For no reason that I could provide.

maybe because it's never installed by default and so I take the "DAMN
YOU THEN" I want that one, attitude

Initially, back in the dark ages, I disliked it strongly.
Kwrite was worse and vi and emacs were nightmares.

I eventually came to terms with "vi": a sort of grudging respect.

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faeychild
Running plasmashell 5.15.4 on 5.10.27-desktop-1.mga7 kernel.
Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso