0

I believe you understand the simple price of my help, but would not pay it.

What will happen to you, a democratically elected leader of an embattled country, I ask, now typing with one hand? I don't know and don't care; I wouldn't mind if you personally died. Do not betray me.

I hope your citizens escape. Do you know what an "agreement" is, or do you think you're just a Prince of Manipulation? That role is obsolete now; you are very unwise, and I hope that you meet a worse fate, which you likely will, due to your fake gesture that you intervened with Biden and did not want me harassed.

Observe, readers! This is bad leadership in action--Zelensky's.

I don't know what will happen, but although I do care about average Ukranians and don't want average people who don't do their jobs in reverse to be hurt or killed, I formally withdraw support from V.Z. himself. He is not on my side and has attacked me rather than supporting me.

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> 0
>
> I believe you understand the simple price of my help, but would not pay it.
>
> What will happen to you, a democratically elected leader of an embattled country, I ask, now typing with one hand? I don't know and don't care; I wouldn't mind if you personally died. Do not betray me.
>
> I hope your citizens escape. Do you know what an "agreement" is, or do you think you're just a Prince of Manipulation? That role is obsolete now; you are very unwise, and I hope that you meet a worse fate, which you likely will, due to your fake gesture that you intervened with Biden and did not want me harassed.
>
> Observe, readers! This is bad leadership in action--Zelensky's.
>
> I don't know what will happen, but although I do care about average Ukranians and don't want average people who don't do their jobs in reverse to be hurt or killed, I formally withdraw support from V.Z. himself. He is not on my side and has attacked me rather than supporting me.

VVP likes neither me nor VZ; I of course dislike VVP more than VZ, seeing him as more brutal. Both are "team-type leaders"; a "rule" is "whatever each leader says at any given moment"--the expressed current whim of the team boss. I feel certain that if it were easy and cost-free, Putin would have VZ or me killed; I think we've both damaged Russian interests. If it helps, I support Putin being tried, and I would like many Russian citizens...I don't like murder or forced arbitrary rules that some "team boss" says all people must follow without honest disclosure and debate, I am not an auto-Russia hater like Yeltsin-types may have thought most American leaders were in the 90's. I had a friendly acquaintance in 3rd grade whose family adopted a Russian child; I don't despise Russians or Chinese citizens who are not supportive of homicidal or oppressive activities. (I think it helps me to say that.)

Most likely, Putin's maneuver was to allow a certain type of "shaped good news" to get fed to the US, creating a certain impression while he is held back. He wants me to see that VZ is willing to betray me and doesn't value me, and didn't ask Biden to lay off harassing me; I believe that if VZ had asked for that, Biden would have honored the request...this is a sensitive time where JB would help VZ and honor his requests more than usual.

I think in general, Putin wants to show the world that he has made VZ a manipulative backstabber, working to try to subtly use and discard various "assets" to pursue his own personal and career goals. He succeeded at that, and there is no way to tell...is this a "strategic pause" in Putin's maneuvering, where he takes some strategically potent actions and some more "fluffy cover actions" that alter VZ's support and capabilities, that will be followed by a Putin-forces surge in activity that will change the headlines of the highly forgetful/uncritical news media? (Ever noticed how Biden can lie and say Ukraine will not be invaded by Russia, and that is not covered at all (that I've seen) in the press? The press incurs no cost for premature victory innuendo, glossing over US political leader lies, or covering up human rights abuses even in the US itself? Nothing will happen if the press has (/inadvertently) misled people into thinking Ukraine has won for a few days; people will just think it was a movie with some surprising plot twists.)

I encourage Ukrainians who want to live who read this to try to leave and save lives and get others out too. I don't know, maybe Ukraine will still win...but at the same time, I don't know what will happen and neither do average Ukrainians. In a few weeks, it will all be fait accompli and citizens will say, "of course, I think somehow always knew it would end that way," even though the truth is, almost no one knows for sure how it will go.

I think I've decreased the odds of a nuclear meltdown and I've probably (hopefully) saved lives, but I'm done supporting VZ. I can't work forever as an unthanked slave; I am a catastrophe victim too, and if I have been mistreated and it's either Ukrainian leader VZ or me who must suffer, then I choose his suffering, since he is a perpetrator and I am innocent and virtuous as always. My career is more important and would be more increased-ly life-saving if I were liberated anyway.

-Philip White

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:54:13 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> > 0
> >
> > I believe you understand the simple price of my help, but would not pay it.
> >
> > What will happen to you, a democratically elected leader of an embattled country, I ask, now typing with one hand? I don't know and don't care; I wouldn't mind if you personally died. Do not betray me.
> >
> > I hope your citizens escape. Do you know what an "agreement" is, or do you think you're just a Prince of Manipulation? That role is obsolete now; you are very unwise, and I hope that you meet a worse fate, which you likely will, due to your fake gesture that you intervened with Biden and did not want me harassed.
> >
> > Observe, readers! This is bad leadership in action--Zelensky's.
> >
> > I don't know what will happen, but although I do care about average Ukranians and don't want average people who don't do their jobs in reverse to be hurt or killed, I formally withdraw support from V.Z. himself. He is not on my side and has attacked me rather than supporting me.
> VVP likes neither me nor VZ; I of course dislike VVP more than VZ, seeing him as more brutal. Both are "team-type leaders"; a "rule" is "whatever each leader says at any given moment"--the expressed current whim of the team boss. I feel certain that if it were easy and cost-free, Putin would have VZ or me killed; I think we've both damaged Russian interests. If it helps, I support Putin being tried, and I would like many Russian citizens...I don't like murder or forced arbitrary rules that some "team boss" says all people must follow without honest disclosure and debate, I am not an auto-Russia hater like Yeltsin-types may have thought most American leaders were in the 90's. I had a friendly acquaintance in 3rd grade whose family adopted a Russian child; I don't despise Russians or Chinese citizens who are not supportive of homicidal or oppressive activities. (I think it helps me to say that.)
>
> Most likely, Putin's maneuver was to allow a certain type of "shaped good news" to get fed to the US, creating a certain impression while he is held back. He wants me to see that VZ is willing to betray me and doesn't value me, and didn't ask Biden to lay off harassing me; I believe that if VZ had asked for that, Biden would have honored the request...this is a sensitive time where JB would help VZ and honor his requests more than usual.
>
> I think in general, Putin wants to show the world that he has made VZ a manipulative backstabber, working to try to subtly use and discard various "assets" to pursue his own personal and career goals. He succeeded at that, and there is no way to tell...is this a "strategic pause" in Putin's maneuvering, where he takes some strategically potent actions and some more "fluffy cover actions" that alter VZ's support and capabilities, that will be followed by a Putin-forces surge in activity that will change the headlines of the highly forgetful/uncritical news media? (Ever noticed how Biden can lie and say Ukraine will not be invaded by Russia, and that is not covered at all (that I've seen) in the press? The press incurs no cost for premature victory innuendo, glossing over US political leader lies, or covering up human rights abuses even in the US itself? Nothing will happen if the press has (/inadvertently) misled people into thinking Ukraine has won for a few days; people will just think it was a movie with some surprising plot twists.)
>
> I encourage Ukrainians who want to live who read this to try to leave and save lives and get others out too. I don't know, maybe Ukraine will still win...but at the same time, I don't know what will happen and neither do average Ukrainians. In a few weeks, it will all be fait accompli and citizens will say, "of course, I think somehow always knew it would end that way," even though the truth is, almost no one knows for sure how it will go.
>
> I think I've decreased the odds of a nuclear meltdown and I've probably (hopefully) saved lives, but I'm done supporting VZ. I can't work forever as an unthanked slave; I am a catastrophe victim too, and if I have been mistreated and it's either Ukrainian leader VZ or me who must suffer, then I choose his suffering, since he is a perpetrator and I am innocent and virtuous as always. My career is more important and would be more increased-ly life-saving if I were liberated anyway.
>
> -Philip White

I felt like looking at this again; it looks like I was exactly right again, but of course no one will say so or honor it, and that's why so many of these things happen--a failure of gratitude, en masse even.

As I noted, I could have easily stopped Putin by selling some of my brilliant STEM ideas to Ukraine or someone else, and Putin would be dead right now and Europe would be safe...but sometimes, hate and certain kinds of arousal in Europe prevail over common sense and self-preservation, we've seen that very repeatedly in Germany in particular over here.

-Philip White (philipjwhite@yahoo.com)

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 5:26:58 PM UTC-4, B.H. wrote:
> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:54:13 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> > > 0
> > >
> > > I believe you understand the simple price of my help, but would not pay it.
> > >
> > > What will happen to you, a democratically elected leader of an embattled country, I ask, now typing with one hand? I don't know and don't care; I wouldn't mind if you personally died. Do not betray me.
> > >
> > > I hope your citizens escape. Do you know what an "agreement" is, or do you think you're just a Prince of Manipulation? That role is obsolete now; you are very unwise, and I hope that you meet a worse fate, which you likely will, due to your fake gesture that you intervened with Biden and did not want me harassed.
> > >
> > > Observe, readers! This is bad leadership in action--Zelensky's.
> > >
> > > I don't know what will happen, but although I do care about average Ukranians and don't want average people who don't do their jobs in reverse to be hurt or killed, I formally withdraw support from V.Z. himself. He is not on my side and has attacked me rather than supporting me.
> > VVP likes neither me nor VZ; I of course dislike VVP more than VZ, seeing him as more brutal. Both are "team-type leaders"; a "rule" is "whatever each leader says at any given moment"--the expressed current whim of the team boss. I feel certain that if it were easy and cost-free, Putin would have VZ or me killed; I think we've both damaged Russian interests. If it helps, I support Putin being tried, and I would like many Russian citizens...I don't like murder or forced arbitrary rules that some "team boss" says all people must follow without honest disclosure and debate, I am not an auto-Russia hater like Yeltsin-types may have thought most American leaders were in the 90's. I had a friendly acquaintance in 3rd grade whose family adopted a Russian child; I don't despise Russians or Chinese citizens who are not supportive of homicidal or oppressive activities. (I think it helps me to say that.)
> >
> > Most likely, Putin's maneuver was to allow a certain type of "shaped good news" to get fed to the US, creating a certain impression while he is held back. He wants me to see that VZ is willing to betray me and doesn't value me, and didn't ask Biden to lay off harassing me; I believe that if VZ had asked for that, Biden would have honored the request...this is a sensitive time where JB would help VZ and honor his requests more than usual.
> >
> > I think in general, Putin wants to show the world that he has made VZ a manipulative backstabber, working to try to subtly use and discard various "assets" to pursue his own personal and career goals. He succeeded at that, and there is no way to tell...is this a "strategic pause" in Putin's maneuvering, where he takes some strategically potent actions and some more "fluffy cover actions" that alter VZ's support and capabilities, that will be followed by a Putin-forces surge in activity that will change the headlines of the highly forgetful/uncritical news media? (Ever noticed how Biden can lie and say Ukraine will not be invaded by Russia, and that is not covered at all (that I've seen) in the press? The press incurs no cost for premature victory innuendo, glossing over US political leader lies, or covering up human rights abuses even in the US itself? Nothing will happen if the press has (/inadvertently) misled people into thinking Ukraine has won for a few days; people will just think it was a movie with some surprising plot twists.)
> >
> > I encourage Ukrainians who want to live who read this to try to leave and save lives and get others out too. I don't know, maybe Ukraine will still win...but at the same time, I don't know what will happen and neither do average Ukrainians. In a few weeks, it will all be fait accompli and citizens will say, "of course, I think somehow always knew it would end that way," even though the truth is, almost no one knows for sure how it will go.
> >
> > I think I've decreased the odds of a nuclear meltdown and I've probably (hopefully) saved lives, but I'm done supporting VZ. I can't work forever as an unthanked slave; I am a catastrophe victim too, and if I have been mistreated and it's either Ukrainian leader VZ or me who must suffer, then I choose his suffering, since he is a perpetrator and I am innocent and virtuous as always. My career is more important and would be more increased-ly life-saving if I were liberated anyway.
> >
> > -Philip White
> I felt like looking at this again; it looks like I was exactly right again, but of course no one will say so or honor it, and that's why so many of these things happen--a failure of gratitude, en masse even.
>
> As I noted, I could have easily stopped Putin by selling some of my brilliant STEM ideas to Ukraine or someone else, and Putin would be dead right now and Europe would be safe...but sometimes, hate and certain kinds of arousal in Europe prevail over common sense and self-preservation, we've seen that very repeatedly in Germany in particular over here.
>
> -Philip White (philip...@yahoo.com)

The key is, "European ways of doing things" are much more exciting to European leaders in particular than the science or strategy of keeping any group of people alive. Life-saving is for Americans, of course, especially certain families...all the Russians had to do was encourage the leaders to "love just how they do things" so much and drive families like mine away from the metaphorical table...and, voila, they have it, you are all dying and no one will go anywhere near even the metaphorical hospital, and you cry, and scream, and beg for any m.o.-compatible help except for that which would actually work, and then you die, and then I wake up to a new day, trying not to feel too mean or too "covering up my feelings of meanness and acting calm and normal through it all"--I know that one, I was raised in the presence of it--and then move on from your failed lives and ways of life and leadership. Slavery was always bad, didn't you see that when you were begging for help because of your "wonderful ways?"

-Philip White (philipjwhite@yahoo.com)

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 4:26:58 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:54:13 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> > > 0
> > >
> > > I believe you understand the simple price of my help, but would not pay it.
> > >
> > > What will happen to you, a democratically elected leader of an embattled country, I ask, now typing with one hand? I don't know and don't care; I wouldn't mind if you personally died. Do not betray me.
> > >
> > > I hope your citizens escape. Do you know what an "agreement" is, or do you think you're just a Prince of Manipulation? That role is obsolete now; you are very unwise, and I hope that you meet a worse fate, which you likely will, due to your fake gesture that you intervened with Biden and did not want me harassed.
> > >
> > > Observe, readers! This is bad leadership in action--Zelensky's.
> > >
> > > I don't know what will happen, but although I do care about average Ukranians and don't want average people who don't do their jobs in reverse to be hurt or killed, I formally withdraw support from V.Z. himself. He is not on my side and has attacked me rather than supporting me.
> > VVP likes neither me nor VZ; I of course dislike VVP more than VZ, seeing him as more brutal. Both are "team-type leaders"; a "rule" is "whatever each leader says at any given moment"--the expressed current whim of the team boss. I feel certain that if it were easy and cost-free, Putin would have VZ or me killed; I think we've both damaged Russian interests. If it helps, I support Putin being tried, and I would like many Russian citizens...I don't like murder or forced arbitrary rules that some "team boss" says all people must follow without honest disclosure and debate, I am not an auto-Russia hater like Yeltsin-types may have thought most American leaders were in the 90's. I had a friendly acquaintance in 3rd grade whose family adopted a Russian child; I don't despise Russians or Chinese citizens who are not supportive of homicidal or oppressive activities. (I think it helps me to say that.)
> >
> > Most likely, Putin's maneuver was to allow a certain type of "shaped good news" to get fed to the US, creating a certain impression while he is held back. He wants me to see that VZ is willing to betray me and doesn't value me, and didn't ask Biden to lay off harassing me; I believe that if VZ had asked for that, Biden would have honored the request...this is a sensitive time where JB would help VZ and honor his requests more than usual.
> >
> > I think in general, Putin wants to show the world that he has made VZ a manipulative backstabber, working to try to subtly use and discard various "assets" to pursue his own personal and career goals. He succeeded at that, and there is no way to tell...is this a "strategic pause" in Putin's maneuvering, where he takes some strategically potent actions and some more "fluffy cover actions" that alter VZ's support and capabilities, that will be followed by a Putin-forces surge in activity that will change the headlines of the highly forgetful/uncritical news media? (Ever noticed how Biden can lie and say Ukraine will not be invaded by Russia, and that is not covered at all (that I've seen) in the press? The press incurs no cost for premature victory innuendo, glossing over US political leader lies, or covering up human rights abuses even in the US itself? Nothing will happen if the press has (/inadvertently) misled people into thinking Ukraine has won for a few days; people will just think it was a movie with some surprising plot twists.)
> >
> > I encourage Ukrainians who want to live who read this to try to leave and save lives and get others out too. I don't know, maybe Ukraine will still win...but at the same time, I don't know what will happen and neither do average Ukrainians. In a few weeks, it will all be fait accompli and citizens will say, "of course, I think somehow always knew it would end that way," even though the truth is, almost no one knows for sure how it will go.
> >
> > I think I've decreased the odds of a nuclear meltdown and I've probably (hopefully) saved lives, but I'm done supporting VZ. I can't work forever as an unthanked slave; I am a catastrophe victim too, and if I have been mistreated and it's either Ukrainian leader VZ or me who must suffer, then I choose his suffering, since he is a perpetrator and I am innocent and virtuous as always. My career is more important and would be more increased-ly life-saving if I were liberated anyway.
> >
> > -Philip White
> I felt like looking at this again; it looks like I was exactly right again, but of course no one will say so or honor it, and that's why so many of these things happen--a failure of gratitude, en masse even.
>
> As I noted, I could have easily stopped Putin by selling some of my brilliant STEM ideas to Ukraine or someone else, and Putin would be dead right now and Europe would be safe...but sometimes, hate and certain kinds of arousal in Europe prevail over common sense and self-preservation, we've seen that very repeatedly in Germany in particular over here.
>
> -Philip White (philip...@yahoo.com)

No time like the present, you might even win a peace prize for it

https://www.businessinsider.com/zelenskyy-amazon-ukraine-peace-prize-digital-war-support-aws-2022-7

I would add tho, there is nothing to thank you for

If you had some sort of ability, which remains as yet unidentified beyond vague hints, to stop the putin terror, murder, rape and torture

Then you had a responsibility to do so

Words words words

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 8:09:46 PM UTC-4, m syadoz wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 4:26:58 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:54:13 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-5, B.H. wrote:
> > > > 0
> > > >
> > > > I believe you understand the simple price of my help, but would not pay it.
> > > >
> > > > What will happen to you, a democratically elected leader of an embattled country, I ask, now typing with one hand? I don't know and don't care; I wouldn't mind if you personally died. Do not betray me.
> > > >
> > > > I hope your citizens escape. Do you know what an "agreement" is, or do you think you're just a Prince of Manipulation? That role is obsolete now; you are very unwise, and I hope that you meet a worse fate, which you likely will, due to your fake gesture that you intervened with Biden and did not want me harassed.
> > > >
> > > > Observe, readers! This is bad leadership in action--Zelensky's.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what will happen, but although I do care about average Ukranians and don't want average people who don't do their jobs in reverse to be hurt or killed, I formally withdraw support from V.Z. himself. He is not on my side and has attacked me rather than supporting me.
> > > VVP likes neither me nor VZ; I of course dislike VVP more than VZ, seeing him as more brutal. Both are "team-type leaders"; a "rule" is "whatever each leader says at any given moment"--the expressed current whim of the team boss. I feel certain that if it were easy and cost-free, Putin would have VZ or me killed; I think we've both damaged Russian interests. If it helps, I support Putin being tried, and I would like many Russian citizens...I don't like murder or forced arbitrary rules that some "team boss" says all people must follow without honest disclosure and debate, I am not an auto-Russia hater like Yeltsin-types may have thought most American leaders were in the 90's. I had a friendly acquaintance in 3rd grade whose family adopted a Russian child; I don't despise Russians or Chinese citizens who are not supportive of homicidal or oppressive activities. (I think it helps me to say that.)
> > >
> > > Most likely, Putin's maneuver was to allow a certain type of "shaped good news" to get fed to the US, creating a certain impression while he is held back. He wants me to see that VZ is willing to betray me and doesn't value me, and didn't ask Biden to lay off harassing me; I believe that if VZ had asked for that, Biden would have honored the request...this is a sensitive time where JB would help VZ and honor his requests more than usual.
> > >
> > > I think in general, Putin wants to show the world that he has made VZ a manipulative backstabber, working to try to subtly use and discard various "assets" to pursue his own personal and career goals. He succeeded at that, and there is no way to tell...is this a "strategic pause" in Putin's maneuvering, where he takes some strategically potent actions and some more "fluffy cover actions" that alter VZ's support and capabilities, that will be followed by a Putin-forces surge in activity that will change the headlines of the highly forgetful/uncritical news media? (Ever noticed how Biden can lie and say Ukraine will not be invaded by Russia, and that is not covered at all (that I've seen) in the press? The press incurs no cost for premature victory innuendo, glossing over US political leader lies, or covering up human rights abuses even in the US itself? Nothing will happen if the press has (/inadvertently) misled people into thinking Ukraine has won for a few days; people will just think it was a movie with some surprising plot twists.)
> > >
> > > I encourage Ukrainians who want to live who read this to try to leave and save lives and get others out too. I don't know, maybe Ukraine will still win...but at the same time, I don't know what will happen and neither do average Ukrainians. In a few weeks, it will all be fait accompli and citizens will say, "of course, I think somehow always knew it would end that way," even though the truth is, almost no one knows for sure how it will go.
> > >
> > > I think I've decreased the odds of a nuclear meltdown and I've probably (hopefully) saved lives, but I'm done supporting VZ. I can't work forever as an unthanked slave; I am a catastrophe victim too, and if I have been mistreated and it's either Ukrainian leader VZ or me who must suffer, then I choose his suffering, since he is a perpetrator and I am innocent and virtuous as always. My career is more important and would be more increased-ly life-saving if I were liberated anyway.
> > >
> > > -Philip White
> > I felt like looking at this again; it looks like I was exactly right again, but of course no one will say so or honor it, and that's why so many of these things happen--a failure of gratitude, en masse even.
> >
> > As I noted, I could have easily stopped Putin by selling some of my brilliant STEM ideas to Ukraine or someone else, and Putin would be dead right now and Europe would be safe...but sometimes, hate and certain kinds of arousal in Europe prevail over common sense and self-preservation, we've seen that very repeatedly in Germany in particular over here.
> >
> > -Philip White (philip...@yahoo.com)
> No time like the present, you might even win a peace prize for it
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/zelenskyy-amazon-ukraine-peace-prize-digital-war-support-aws-2022-7
>
> I would add tho, there is nothing to thank you for
>
> If you had some sort of ability, which remains as yet unidentified beyond vague hints, to stop the putin terror, murder, rape and torture
>
> Then you had a responsibility to do so
>
> Words words words

I assumed the responsibility of helping Ukraine briefly--I didn't lie or shirk my responsibilities, I simply quit over being treated badly.

You'll note that Ukraine didn't fall immediately, and Putin's economy was crushed.

I gave a very clear exposition about my incomplete information game theory idea, even as I was using it to help at first.

You would appear to be smearing me yourself, and thus likely more aligned with the establishment Russian mentality than the American mentality, so ironically, you are presenting yourself as a tentacle of the very enemy you claim to want defeated. That's not such a good strategy, you should embrace American values and not smear people because famed internet troll and liar Ben Bacarisse been doing it; "everybody's doing it" is a satirical phrase taught to American children to persuade them not to smoke cigarettes.

-Philip White