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* Re: Apple is raising the price of battery replacementsAndy Burnelli
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 04:41 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> The Santa Cruz mountain store nospam mentioned does have a Genius Bar last
>> I was there for my iPads, but, and get this, those "geniuses" didn't know
>> the difference between a decibel and a gigabitpersecond.
>
> los gatos is hardly the santa cruz mountains.

Why do you always continually say such idiotically stupid things, nospam?
Every comment from you shows you have a rather low IQ and no education.

Uneducated low IQ people like you make assumptions not based on fact.
Worse, you're oh so very CONFIDENT in being ignorant of all that you claim.

Look up the extent of Los Gatos, you idiot.
Seriously.
Look it up.

Like many mountain towns, there is an unincorporated part and often a huge
incorporated part, where the whole thing is the town on the tax & school
maps and on the Santa Clara County government registers.

Seriously, nospam.
You're an idiot.

But most people on this newsgroup are idiots.
What's different about you is you're so very CONFIDENT in being an idiot.

>
>> If you have to send your iPhone out just to get something as simple as the
>> battery replaced, then the design is atrocious since nobody wants to be
>> without their phone for the weeks it could take from start to finish.
>
> you just can't stop digging, can you?

The iPhone battery is smaller than almost any modern Android battery.
It's a fact that similar battery chemistry ages similarly.
Eventually, the batteries age below operating thresholds.

The smaller the battery, the sooner it ages below that operating threshold.
The iPhone batteries are laughably puny compared to Android batteries.

Therefore, it's a fact that the laughably puny iPhone battery will age
below operating thresholds BEFORE the much larger Android batteries will.

Any questions?

>
> battery replacement normally takes less than an hour.

Again, you're an idiot.
but you're oh so very confident being that idiot.

If the store sends it out for repair, which is what I was talking about,
and you know that (or, you really are even dumber than I thought you were),
then it does NOT take "less than an hour", and in fact, can take days,
weeks, or whatever - but not "less than an hour" in any case.

>
> you continue to demonstrate just how stupid a living organism can be.

No. You say that because you have no defense to facts.
You know, the way I can tell you have a low IQ and no education nospam,
is that you use ploys that fifth grade children use to divert from facts.

The facts in this post are that:
a. Los Gatos is definitely in the Santa Cruz Mountains, and,
b. Sending out an iPhone for battery replacement does NOT take an hour
c. And, more importantly, the laughably puny iPHone battery will age
below threshold sooner than a modern sized Android battery would.

Respond to THOSE facts, nospam.
Act like an adult when you do.

Don't act like a child simply because I showed you that you are wrong.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 11:33 UTC

In article <tp88qe$egj$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> >> The Santa Cruz mountain store nospam mentioned does have a Genius Bar last
> >> I was there for my iPads, but, and get this, those "geniuses" didn't know
> >> the difference between a decibel and a gigabitpersecond.
> >
> > los gatos is hardly the santa cruz mountains.
>
> Why do you always continually say such idiotically stupid things, nospam?
> Every comment from you shows you have a rather low IQ and no education.
>
> Uneducated low IQ people like you make assumptions not based on fact.
> Worse, you're oh so very CONFIDENT in being ignorant of all that you claim.

nice bit of projection.

> Look up the extent of Los Gatos, you idiot.

'the extent of los gatos' ?? you're moving the goalposts. the store is
downtown, not on the outskirts of town, which is largely uninhabited.

but if you insist:

<https://www.losgatosca.gov/515/About-Los-Gatos>
The Town of Los Gatos is nestled at the base of the Sierra Azules,
and is located approximately 60 miles south of San Francisco, in the
southwestern portion of Santa Clara County where the Santa Clara
Valley meets the lower slopes of the Santa Cruz Mountains.

'nestled at the base of' and 'where the santa clara valley meets the
lower slopes' is quite clear, even for stupid people.

this is further confirmed with a topographic map:
<https://en-us.topographic-map.com/map-sr7b3/Los-Gatos/>

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 21:12 UTC

nospam wrote:

> nice bit of projection.
>
>> Look up the extent of Los Gatos, you idiot.
>
> 'the extent of los gatos' ?? you're moving the goalposts. the store is
> downtown, not on the outskirts of town, which is largely uninhabited.\

Look nospam, I live in the Santa Cruz mountains. My kids went to school
there, and my grandkids are about to enter into the system.

I don't know where you live but you don't have a clue that Los Gatos is a
huge area, the unincorporated area dwarfing that which is incorporated.

It's all Los Gatos and for you claim otherwise is patently absurd.

HINT: Common school districts, for example. Same library system too.
Same almost everything (95032 is the same post office as 95033).

> but if you insist:

It's amazing that you are desperate not to just be a man and admit
you were oh so very confident in being oh so very dead wrong, nospam.

>
> <https://www.losgatosca.gov/515/About-Los-Gatos>
> The Town of Los Gatos is nestled at the base of the Sierra Azules,
> and is located approximately 60 miles south of San Francisco, in the
> southwestern portion of Santa Clara County where the Santa Clara
> Valley meets the lower slopes of the Santa Cruz Mountains.

Look nospam, I know the exact borders of Los Gatos, so for you to bring up
an "about" page that _only_ looks at a small portion, is just ridiculous.

What shows that you have low self esteem, in addition to a low IQ and no
education, is that you're unable to simply admit when you're dead wrong.

It's something badgolferman has often noted about all of you iKooks.
*Why can't iKooks admit when they're wrong* by badgolferman, May 30, 2019
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/BjiM9DsVXj8/m/CiSykWPPBwAJ>

> 'nestled at the base of' and 'where the santa clara valley meets the
> lower slopes' is quite clear, even for stupid people.

Again, the way I know you have low self esteem (because your whole life
everyone has told you that you're stupid), and because you have a low IQ
and no education, you can't comprehend that Los Gatos is a huge area that
comprises both an unincorporated and an incorporated town, which share
taxation, school districts, many utilities, post offices, etc.

It's _all_ Los Gatos when it's _named_ Los Gatos (incorporated or not).
95022 & 95033 for example

> this is further confirmed with a topographic map:
> <https://en-us.topographic-map.com/map-sr7b3/Los-Gatos/>

I'm not going to play this game with you nospam, other than to observe
that all you low IQ uneducated ill-educated iKooks suffer from the same set
of common abnormal problems, which are...

a. All the iKooks have a low IQ and almost no formal education to speak of
b. And as a result, all iKooks have extreme confidence in their ignorance,
c. But what's worse, you all suffer from extremely low self esteem.

In a way, I feel sorry for you nospam, because your whole life people have
been telling you that you're stupid - so you can't admit when you're wrong.

But what makes you the iKook you are is you are oh so very confident in
being so very dead wrong - and - you will never be man enough to admit it.

It seems badgolferman is write about uneducated people like you, nospam.]
*Updating the "wrong - by badgolferman" thread from May 29, 2019*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/Pg9fi_sV3CU>

You _remain_ ignorant _because_ you don't have the capacity to learn.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 22:15 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> It seems badgolferman is write about uneducated people like you, nospam.]
> *Updating the "wrong - by badgolferman" thread from May 29, 2019*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/Pg9fi_sV3CU>

That's funny... "write". Mea culpa!

I made a mistake.

I admit it.

I'm a man after all. Not an iKook.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 22:24 UTC

In article <tpa2rg$tui$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> >> Look up the extent of Los Gatos, you idiot.
> >
> > 'the extent of los gatos' ?? you're moving the goalposts. the store is
> > downtown, not on the outskirts of town, which is largely uninhabited.\
>
> Look nospam, I live in the Santa Cruz mountains. My kids went to school
> there, and my grandkids are about to enter into the system.

you live where the only internet is via wireless isps.

downtown los gatos, where the apple store is located, along with nearly
all of its residents, is not that.

> I don't know where you live but you don't have a clue that Los Gatos is a
> huge area, the unincorporated area dwarfing that which is incorporated.

the apple store is *not* located in the unincorporated areas, nor is
much else.

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 by: badgolferman - Sat, 7 Jan 2023 00:01 UTC

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>> It seems badgolferman is write about uneducated people like you, nospam.]
>> *Updating the "wrong - by badgolferman" thread from May 29, 2019*
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/Pg9fi_sV3CU>
>
> That's funny... "write". Mea culpa!
>
> I made a mistake.
>
> I admit it.
>
> I'm a man after all. Not an iKook.
>

Amends noted!

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 by: sms - Sat, 7 Jan 2023 00:09 UTC

On 1/6/2023 4:01 PM, badgolferman wrote:
> Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>
>>> It seems badgolferman is write about uneducated people like you, nospam.]
>>> *Updating the "wrong - by badgolferman" thread from May 29, 2019*
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/Pg9fi_sV3CU>
>>
>> That's funny... "write". Mea culpa!
>>
>> I made a mistake.
>>
>> I admit it.
>>
>> I'm a man after all. Not an iKook.
>>
>
>
> Amends noted!

I bet that you're even educated enough to know the difference between
"write" and "right!"

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 7 Jan 2023 01:36 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> Look nospam, I live in the Santa Cruz mountains. My kids went to school
>> there, and my grandkids are about to enter into the system.
>
> you live where the only internet is via wireless isps.

Hi nospam,

Where I live currently has nothing to do, per se, with the knowledge of
what the borders are of the area called Los Gatos, nor should it.

The fact you think it does has a lot to do with how I can tell your IQ is
low, and that as a result, you're not well educated - but worse - the fact
you don't have the self esteem to simply admit you were wrong is a problem.

The problem of your extremely low self esteem is indicative of the fact
you've been called stupid your whole life - so here - on the Internet,
you'll be damned if you'll ever admit you're wrong. Even when you are.

> downtown los gatos, where the apple store is located, along with nearly
> all of its residents, is not that.

I'm well aware of where the store is located and the fact you "think" I
said the store is location in the huge unincorporated area of Los Gatos is
troubling because that indicates you lack basic adult comprehensive skills.

What you're doing is desperately trying to build a strawman that you can
then shoot down, in your desperate bid to deflect from the fact you were
wrong.

All you have to do, nospam, is admit that you were wrong.
Your main character flaw is that you can't.

So you build this fantastical strawman and then try to beat that down.

>> I don't know where you live but you don't have a clue that Los Gatos is a
>> huge area, the unincorporated area dwarfing that which is incorporated.
>
> the apple store is *not* located in the unincorporated areas, nor is
> much else.

Again, you build this fantastical strawman that assumes I said that the
store is in the huge mountainous unincorporated part of Los Gatos.

I never said it did - and the fact you "think" I said it did is troubling
because it is a clear indicator of your low IQ which is why you lack even
these most basic of adult comprehensive reading and understanding skills.

Why can't you just be a man and admit that you were wrong?
Why build this crazy strawman that nobody ever thought existed but you?

Why can't you just admit you were wrong and leave it at that?

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 7 Jan 2023 02:06 UTC

badgolferman wrote:

>>> It seems badgolferman is write about uneducated people like you, nospam.]
>>> *Updating the "wrong - by badgolferman" thread from May 29, 2019*
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/Pg9fi_sV3CU>
>>
>> That's funny... "write". Mea culpa!
>>
>> I made a mistake.
>>
>> I admit it.
>>
>> I'm a man after all. Not an iKook.
>>

your write! [sic]

Thanks for the humor, as I was wondering if you were on this thread, given
you're the one who astutely asked why people on this ng can't admit when
they're wrong.

I "think" the problem revolves around their personal self esteem.

The iKooks, as I undertand them, have abnormally low self esteem, as
evidence by myriad clues (like they gloat that Apple reams them on
profits).

Somehow, the iKooks feel that Apple provides them with teh self esteem they
lack, whereas peole like you, me, Ant, David Empson, even Rod Speed (who is
posting currently as "chop" and a bunch of "%" and "%%" nyms), and even
Steve, strangely enough, have enough self esteem that we don't feel we need
Apple to provide it for us.

Steve and Rod Speed have a _different_ issue with not being able to admit
when they're wrong, where Steve is a political animal who latches onto an
idea, which he intuits without nary a fact backing it up (such as this
total cost of ownership stuff he's been preaching lately).

What Steve is, is, interestingly, is a low-end buyer who wants to be in a
high-end market, where he's desperately seeking a way to beat the system.

That's why Steve said he'd never buy the phones I get for free (because
they're low end Samsungs, Google Moto G7, LG Stylo 3 Plus, etc.) but he
goes through intense maneuvers with MVNOs which I don't bother with.

Neither do you.

Both of us are perfectly happy on T-Mobile where, any deal T-Mobile is
willing to give us, we consider it - and we take it or leave it.

You have taken T-Mobile up on the iPhone deal way back in April of 2021,
just like I did for Apple & Samsung phones, while you recently also bought
another iPhone from T-Mobile.

I bought my iPads out of the local Apple store, and I bought most of my
phones from T-Mobile or Google or Costco - like most people do.

Steve, on the other hand, can't do that.

He can't admit that he's desperately trying to find a way to outwit Apple's
strategic marketing plan that ensures iPhones cost more than Androids.

Steve is so political, he fabricates T-Mobile coverage maps for years,
trying to build a story that the coverage sucks even as I have T-Mobile
and I even have a Verizon phone now - and the coverage is about the same.

Sigh.
It's interesting but there are only three "types" of people here:

1. iKooks
2. Normal people
3. Political people (like Steve is)

Only the normal people can admit when they're wrong.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 7 Jan 2023 15:26 UTC

sms wrote:

>> Amends noted!
>
> I bet that you're even educated enough to know the difference between
> "write" and "right!"

My assessment is there are three types of people on this newsgroup
(in terms of why they can or cannot admit when they're wrong).

1. Educated
2. Uneducated
3. Political

It's obvious who is in each group, where in terms of being able to admit
when they're wrong, only the educated people seem to be able to do that.

The uneducated don't have the self esteem necessary to admit they're wrong.
The political preachers are too intent on proselytizing to admit they err.

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Andy Burnelli wrote:

>Thanks for the humor, as I was wondering if you were on this thread,
>given you're the one who astutely asked why people on this ng can't
>admit when they're wrong.
>
>I "think" the problem revolves around their personal self esteem.

You're probably right. Other reasons _may_ be:

-- they think their credibility will suffer if admitting a mistake.
-- they can't let anyone have that satisfaction.
-- that word is not in their vocabulary.
-- they're living in a world of self delusion.
-- they enjoy the constant banter.

I learned to be wrong even when I'm right after I got married. That
may be _one_ reason we're still happily married after 30 years.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 7 Jan 2023 21:31 UTC

badgolferman wrote:

>>I "think" the problem revolves around their personal self esteem.
>
> You're probably right.

Hi badgolferman,

My conversation with you can contain nuance, since you're an adult.

I should admit I could be wrong, and that my education and background is
NOT in the psychological sciences; but what I do know, having been highly
educated in science and engineering fields, is that it's OK to be wrong.

Nobody but a fool argues about facts. (That's why they are fools.)

What nospam did was argue about facts.
Who does that?

> Other reasons _may_ be:
> -- they think their credibility will suffer if admitting a mistake.

You bring up a good point.

If they can build a strawman, like nospam tried, they could convince some
people that they were right since they deflect to that strawman.

Maybe that's why nospam did what he did by disagreeing with the facts.

> -- they can't let anyone have that satisfaction.

This is a good point which I didn't think of until you noted it.
Maybe they just don't want anyone to know that they were wrong
because they think it makes the other person more satisfied.

Dunno.

> -- that word is not in their vocabulary.

This is another good point, especially since we know people like nospam
only have seven excuses for everything - where this would be the 8th.

But that 8th answer isn't in their vocabulary.

> -- they're living in a world of self delusion.

I think sometimes that people like Alan Baker and Jolly Roger actually
believe what they claim, which, if true, is kind of scary.

People like nospam probably never believe what they claim, which,
interestingly enough, is less scary than those like Lewis who do.

Steve is just strange, as he comes up with his personal views that are just
as wrong as nospam's but at least with nospam you can figure out why he
says that Apple never throttled iPhones or something wrong like that.

With Steve, you can't figure out why he hates T-Mobile nor why Steve is
insisting that an iPhone does not cost more to operate - when everyone on
the planet knows that it does - particularly since Apple designed it that
way.

I think in the case of T-Mobile, Steve gets some money (somehow?) from
Verizon, which at least would explain why he constantly shills for them.

As for his document, I think he gets street cred from his contacts at Apple
(and perhaps his relatives and neighbors who believe that document).

To be clear, about 3/4 of what Steve puts in that document is credible; but
the other quarter is just off the wall (like his crazy TCO calculations).

In summary, Steve is harder to figure out (because he's political) than
nospam (who defends Apple no matter what) or Jolly Roger (who is just so
stupid that it's scary that people can be that ignorant in this world).

> -- they enjoy the constant banter.

That would be from people like Rod Speed (currently posting under "chop",
for example), and Alan Baker, and perhaps Joerg Lorenz, and even Chris.

>
> I learned to be wrong even when I'm right after I got married.

You are a wise man!

> That
> may be _one_ reason we're still happily married after 30 years.

I've been married for many decades also, so I am aware of your wisdom.
On this newsgroup, as you're aware, I try to _understand_ the people.

I do agree with you that most will NEVER admit when they're wrong.
At least I have absolutely no problem admitting if/when I'm wrong.

I'll even commend anyone (yes, even iKooks) when they say something
sensible. I think the reason is I'm not for or against Apple.

Nor T-Mobile. Nor Samsung. Nor Google.

I dislike the bad things they do equally.
And I like the good things they do equally.

I think that "balance" is why some people find it easier to admit when and
if they get a fact wrong - and the lack of balance is why others can't.

Dunno though... psychology is difficult. I took the final exam with my
girlfriend in college and I did NOT ace the test (I never took the class).

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