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* Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?Andy Burnelli
+* Re: Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?Carlos E.R.
|`* Re: Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?sms
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|  `* Re: Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?AJL
|   `* Re: Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?Andy Burnelli
|    `* Re: Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?AJL
|     `* Re: Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?Andy Burnelli
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Re: Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?

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Subject: Re: Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 9 Dec 2022 15:39 UTC

micky wrote:

>>So, someone that steals your phone has access to the data inside?
>
> I seem to remember USB debugging interfering with something else when I
> had it on on some prior phone. Didn't it do that? Does it still?

I'm all about good heartedly always adding on-topic technical value to the
group tribal knowledge, so I spent a lot of effort here to help others.
<https://i.postimg.cc/jdXm2ggJ/sndcpy02.jpg> adb + *sndcpy* example
<https://i.postimg.cc/xjz3V8Gs/vysor32.jpg> adb + *vysor* example
<https://i.postimg.cc/tTmdgKTB/scrcpy02.jpg> adb + *scrcpy* example

AFAIK, there are no known "problems" that anyone has brought up here which
are associated with turning USB debugging on (at least that I know of).

The issue Carlos brought up requires the thief have so many things that
it's almost impossible for the scenario he fears to ever actually occur.

Certainly though, you can turn on specific options within "Developer
options" that can "interfere" with tools, but as far as anyone has shown in
this thread, turning on "USB debugging" within "Developer options" just
allows USB debugging (which is what the Android Debug Bridge needs).
<https://i.postimg.cc/QtbR1GY0/webdav13.jpg> Android Debug Bridge (adb)

Certainly billions of Android users are using adb every day, so if it was
so dangerous to use, you'd think the net would be filled with horror
stories.

BTW, to help document what options I recommend people set, I turned off my
Developer options a few times and turned it back on to see what changed.

Obviously each Android version has more & more options, but for my Android
12, here's what I found happened when I turned Developer options off & on.

Listed in order of appearance in my Samsung Android 12 menus...

Turn Developer options = off (the menu after "About phone" disappears).
A. Quick settings developer tiles, Wireless debugging goes off
B. USB Debugging goes off (if it was on)
C. Wireless debugging goes off (if it was on)
D. Disable adb authorization timeout goes off (if it was on)
E. Enhanced Wi-Fi MAC randomization goes off (if it was on)
F. Mobile data always active goes off (if it was on)
G. Default USB configuration remains set to what you previously set
H. Select mock location app goes off (if it was on)

Here's what I recommend others set for privacy & functionality:
(again, listed in the order they appear in the developer options)
a. Quick settings developer tiles, Wireless debugging (turn on)
[Interestingly its position in the Android tile remains valid!]
<https://i.postimg.cc/JhjpnRgh/webdav14.jpg> Tile position returns!
b. USB Debugging (turn on to allow adb connections over USB or Wi-Fi)
c. Wireless debugging (turn on to allow adb connections over Wi-Fi)
d. Disable adb authorization timeout (turn on but it won't matter much)
e. Enhanced Wi-Fi MAC randomization (turn on for privacy per AP)
[Note you've also set MAC Address type = Randomized MAC in settings]
f. Mobile data always active (turn on for faster Wi-Fi:data switching)
g. Default USB configuration (mine is set to "Transferring files")
h. Select mock location app (turn on & set to your fake GPS app)

If you use adb every day, like I do to mirror Android (keyboard, mouse,
monitor & clipboard & sound) onto the desktop. what other "Developer
options" switches do you habitually set in addition to "USB Debugging"?
<https://i.postimg.cc/BvJdKWzt/webdav06.jpg> Mirror Android on the PC

Now I can connect Android over Wi-Fi (I rarely use USB today) to operate a
phone from a Windows PC sharing the monitor, mouse, keyboard & clipboard.
<https://i.postimg.cc/jdXm2ggJ/sndcpy02.jpg> adb + *sndcpy* example
<https://i.postimg.cc/xjz3V8Gs/vysor32.jpg> adb + *vysor* example
<https://i.postimg.cc/tTmdgKTB/scrcpy02.jpg> adb + *scrcpy* example
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to help others understand how to use adb with a PC.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 11 Dec 2022 01:43 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> e. Enhanced Wi-Fi MAC randomization (turn on for privacy per AP)
> [Note you've also set MAC Address type = Randomized MAC in settings]

Clarification of MAC randomization switches & broadcast _nomap SSID issues.
Below are the gory details that you only need if you desire basic privacy.

Here's what I recommend others set for privacy & functionality:
(again, listed in the order they appear in the developer options)
a. Quick settings developer tiles, Wireless debugging (turn on)
[Interestingly its position in the Android tile remains valid!]
<https://i.postimg.cc/JhjpnRgh/webdav14.jpg> Tile position returns!
b. USB Debugging (turn on to allow adb connections over USB or Wi-Fi)
c. Wireless debugging (turn on to allow adb connections over Wi-Fi)
d. Disable adb authorization timeout (turn on but it won't matter much)
e. Enhanced Wi-Fi MAC randomization (turn on for privacy per AP)
[Note you've also set MAC Address type = Randomized MAC in settings]
f. Mobile data always active (turn on for faster Wi-Fi:data switching)
g. Default USB configuration (mine is set to "Transferring files")
[Most phones have the default set to "No data transfer" instead.]
h. Select mock location app (turn on & set to your fake GPS app)

As of Android 10+ there's also a new "Wi-Fi scan throttling" option, which
is on by default so that it reproduces Android 9 Wi-Fi scan throttling of
i. Each foreground app can scan four times in a 2-minute period.
(note that this default allows for a burst of scans in a short time)
ii. All background apps combined can scan one time in a 30-minute period.
<https://betterprogramming.pub/how-to-avoid-wifi-throttling-on-android-devices-494a0cc29dd8>
<https://github.com/VREMSoftwareDevelopment/WiFiAnalyzer/wiki/Android-WiFi-scanning-throttling>

As always, if you know more than I do about this, please add technical
value, clarify existing value, and correct any mistakes I may have made.

Bear in mind everything works together... just as we do on this newsgroup!

The first thing we need to do is clarify what these _two_ switches above do
in the later Android versions to allow for MAC randomization not only per
AP but also per connection. And I should probably touch on what "static ip"
means too.

Note these switches are in my Android 12 but the first one came in Android
10 (as I recall) while the other was added around Android 11 (as I recall).

Note that the very useful "Wireless debugging" tile came only in Android
12, my point being not all these options will be on any older phone.

CAVEAT: For convenience when using adb to connect a Windows (or macOS or
Linux) desktop to Android, you often set the IP address to "static", which
you can no longer do as easily today from a home router as you used to be
able to do whenever you use random MAC addresses! (Ask me how I know this.)

Most people have their home router set to serve addresses out of a block.
[x] Use Router as DHCP Server
[_] Set Address Reservation per device (see below why this is set to off)
[_] Broadcast SSID (this should always be off for privacy reasons)

Note you can no longer "easily" use "Address Reservation" on a typical
home router because it usually requires locking to a specific MAC address.

What you do nowadays, instead, is set a "static" IP address on Android:
Android12: Settings > Connections > {longpress on} Wi-Fi >
{Press on the gear icon for _each_ access point in your settings}
Auto reconnect = off (this should _always_ be "off" for privacy reasons)
View more > IP settings = static
IP address = 192.168.1.4 (set to whatever address you want)
MAC address type = Randomized MAC

Note this last setting randomizes the MAC address *per connection*.
That is, every time you connect to that SSID, it will have the same
(randomized) MAC address. If this is all you set, then you _can_ use
Address Reservation in your router; but there's _another_ MAC randomizer!

As per this thread, there is another MAC randomizer for _each_ connection!
*Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/c8b0FRvALmo>

When you turn "Developer options" and "USB debugging" as of Android 11+,
you also get the option to set the MAC randomization for _each_ connection!
Android Settings > Developer options > Enhanced Wi-Fi MAC randomization
"Change this phone's MAC address each time it connects to a network
that has MAC randomization turned on."

Note you need _both_ MAC-randomization settings in order to accomplish this
(and it's suggested you also end your SSID with "_nomap" to complete the
privacy steps - which of course, requires you to not broadcast the SSID).

My point in bringing this up to Android, Windows, and wireless newsgroups
is to communicate these wonderfully new privacy-based options which never
existed before, and which therefore require understanding of what they do.

Note: I'm fully aware that hiding the SSID broadcast is not for _security_
reasons, but many people do not realize hiding it is for _privacy_ reasons!

Specifically, most Android phones driving by your home will upload your GPS
location and your unique router BSSID even if you have "_nomap" appended to
the SSID (unique because you want your unique-as-possible SSID to stay out
of voluminous Internet butterfly/hash tables but that's a separate thing).

Even if Google/Mozilla respect the _nomap on the server side... notice that
distinction because it's the whole point that it's _already_ uploaded even
if you have "_nomap" appended (where we can forget nowadays about
_optout_)... there's no guarantee that the others (e.g., Kismet, Wiggle,
etc.) will respect the _nomap optout request).

The solution is to prevent "most" Android phones from even seeing your
SSID, which can only be done by hiding the broadcast - where - if someone
knows what they're doing, of course _they_ will see your (hidden) SSID -
but "most" phones will not _upload_ a hidden ID to the Internet servers,
and that's why you hide it.

Of course, once you hide it, then you have to worry about your phone
constantly trying to _reconnect_ to it (which shouts out your supposedly
unique SSID everywhere you go), so you also need to turn off the
auto-reconnection option in Android - which is very easily done.

Here are some representative screenshots illustrating some of the above:
<https://i.postimg.cc/jdXm2ggJ/sndcpy02.jpg> adb + *sndcpy* example
<https://i.postimg.cc/tTmdgKTB/scrcpy02.jpg> adb + *scrcpy* example
<https://i.postimg.cc/xjz3V8Gs/vysor32.jpg> adb + *vysor* example
<https://i.postimg.cc/QtbR1GY0/webdav13.jpg> Android Debug Bridge (adb)
<https://i.postimg.cc/JhjpnRgh/webdav14.jpg> Tile position returns!
<https://i.postimg.cc/BvJdKWzt/webdav06.jpg> Mirror Android on the PC

There is a short description of every option listed above (and others) here
*Explaining every setting in Developer Options* (as of April 2022)
<https://www.xda-developers.com/android-developer-options/>

In summary, it all works together, and each release of software allows more
privacy options - where this clarifying post is to put some of it together
so that you can understand why each specific switch is set and how it has
ramifications for setting other things on your PC, router, and phone.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to clarify Android MAC randomization switches.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 11 Dec 2022 15:20 UTC

sms wrote:

> There are several very useful apps that must be side-loaded because they
> are not permitted on the Google Play Store. While you don't want to
> leave USB Debugging Mode on all the time, when you first set up a new
> phone it can be useful.

To keep this thread adding valuable on-topic technical merit...

One point to make in terms of sideloading apps via ADB that is useful
is you can _still_ verify those apps via Google Play if you want to.

First off, Google Play Protect still runs every day unless you explicitly
turned off the daily Google Play Protect scanning which also scans upon
installation of APKs no matter _how_ you sideloaded those app APKs...

Secondly, there's a special Developer option switch that will verify
apps the instant you sideload them over USB via the adb tools
<https://www.xda-developers.com/android-developer-options/>
"Verify apps over USB: This checks applications sideloaded through ADB
for harmful code, similar to how applications downloaded on your device
are verified using Google Play Protect. This might be handy if you're
downloading applications from the web on your computer and installing
them using ADB."

There is also an option, on by default, to verify the byte code of the APK:
"Verify bytecode of debuggable apps:
This is another security measure, and it's enabled by default."

As an aside, and specifically for Steve who knows a lot about refresh
rates, there's also the following option which is useful but unrelated:
"Show refresh rate: This adds a Fraps-like counter at the top of the
screen for checking the current refresh rate, which is helpful for
devices that dynamically switch between refresh rates.
Keep in mind this is not a frame rate counter."
<https://static1.xdaimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Screenshot_1649901333-1024x379.jpg>

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 by: AJL - Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:11 UTC

On 12/11/2022 8:20 AM, Andy Burnelli wrote:

> Google Play Protect still runs every day unless you explicitly turned
> off the daily Google Play Protect scanning which also scans upon
> installation of APKs no matter _how_ you sideloaded those app
> APKs...

Play Protect APPEARS to work even if the sideloaded apps (4) are the
Google Play Store series itself. I put them on my Amazon tablets awhile
back and it daily checks and so far has always reported "No harmful
apps found". And does it even though Google also reports those same
tablets as "Device is not certified"...

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 11 Dec 2022 21:49 UTC

AJL wrote:

>> Google Play Protect still runs every day unless you explicitly turned
>> off the daily Google Play Protect scanning which also scans upon
>> installation of APKs no matter _how_ you sideloaded those app
>> APKs...
>
> Play Protect APPEARS to work even if the sideloaded apps (4) are the
> Google Play Store series itself. I put them on my Amazon tablets awhile
> back and it daily checks and so far has always reported "No harmful
> apps found". And does it even though Google also reports those same
> tablets as "Device is not certified"...

This is important and very useful information about Google Play Protect
because most people think it's somehow (magically?) intimately associated
with the Google Play Store app, or with logging into the Google Play Store.
*It's not.*

They're independent entities that just happen to share a settings activity.
a. Google Play Store
b. Google Play Protect
*They're different things*

I think you're confirming what I had surmised from my experience, right?

A. Google Play Protect "appears" to work when you sideload apps via adb.

B. Overall, it's my understanding Google Play Protect runs automatically
upon every APK install no matter how you install the app.

C. Even so, Google Play Protect runs once, by default, every day, anyway.

Notice you don't even need to log into Google Play Store for this to
happen, and, better yet, you don't even need the Google Play Store enabled
as far as I know.

It's not surprising that Google put the Google Play Protect switches inside
the Google Play Store app, but as far as I can tell, they're completely
independent of each other.

I know this because I never log into the Google Play Store (I don't even
have a Google Account set up on my phone) and yet I can still have Google
Play Protect scan all my APKs upon installation and/or once a day, if I
want it to.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to clarify when Google Play Protect scans APKs.

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 by: Bodger - Sun, 11 Dec 2022 22:19 UTC

On 12/3/2022 6:41 PM, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 1 Dec 2022 22:13:51 +0000, Andy Burnelli
> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?
>>
>> If not, why not?
>
> I take a drink of Bacardi the instant I get a new phone.

Me, I first remove the phone from the box, install it in the prepared
protective case, charge it, connect it to my provider. Then I might have a
bit of ethanol in some form and ruminate over how much I spent on the phone...

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On 12/11/2022 2:49 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:

> They're independent entities that just happen to share a settings
> activity. a. Google Play Store b. Google Play Protect *They're
> different things*

When I installed Google on my Amazon Fire tablets (the latest being an
HD10+ bought last July) I sideloaded 4 files:

1. account manager.apk
2. services framework.apk
3. play services.apk
4. play store.apk

My apk source said the files were required to be installed in that
order. That's what I did. After installation Google automatically
brought the system up to date and once signed in my Amazon tablet
functioned like any other Googled tablet (and with no changes to the
Amazon stuff).

I was kinda surprised that Amazon would allow Google into their tablet.
But for that price range the tablet is IMO one of the better ones so I
was glad to have the extra versatility that Google brings. Sometimes the
Amazon Appstore and the Google Play Store want to update each others
apps but that was easily solved by turning off auto update in both
stores and doing it manually. Otherwise I found no other conflicts.

> I think you're confirming what I had surmised from my experience,
> right?

> A. Google Play Protect "appears" to work when you sideload apps via
> adb.

> B. Overall, it's my understanding Google Play Protect runs
> automatically upon every APK install no matter how you install the
> app.

> C. Even so, Google Play Protect runs once, by default, every day,
> anyway.

> Notice you don't even need to log into Google Play Store for this to
> happen, and, better yet, you don't even need the Google Play Store
> enabled as far as I know.

I don't doubt what you say, I've just never tried it. As you know I've
been long assimilated so was happy to have all Google's advantages on my
otherwise somewhat limited Amazon tablets.

On my tablets, Play Protect reports through the Play Store (upper right
icon > Play Protect). How does it report when there's no Play Store
installed?

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Mon, 12 Dec 2022 06:08 UTC

AJL wrote:

> After installation Google automatically
> brought the system up to date

Oh my. Where do I start. Warning: The response below is complicated simply
because almost everything people _think_ about the Google Play Store...
*is wrong*

You asked good questions but we need to be on a firm basis of understanding
_before_ we can even begin to answer the questions about scans & updates!

Again I probably need to point out that most people haven't studied what the
Google Play Store actually does, and most people therefore simply _assume_
what the Google Play Store does - without ever testing it out.

I'm different than most people because I see details they simply guess at.

I do not use the Google Play Store (since I have no Google Account set up
on my phone - and yet - two things people _think_ are part of the Google Play
Store can be turned on (by default) or turned off (which I do).

These two things most people (seem to) _think_ are part of the Google Play store.
But they're not. They're INDEPENDENT of the Google Play Store.

1. Google Play Protect scanning (daily & upon each APK installation)
2. Updates when APK updates are available in the Google Play Store repo.

Nobody seems to understand that the first item above happens independently
of the Google Play Store itself; and even fewer people realize that the app
updates not only happen independently of the Google Play Store itself, but
even more shockingly, extremely few apps are actually updated.

We covered which apps are updated, in detail, in another thread long ago,
so suffice to say if you want _all_ your apps updated, the Google Play
Store app is NOT the app for the job - because it just doesn't do much.

What you need, if you want all your apps updated, is a specific app that is
_designed_ to update apps that have updates in the Google Play Store repo.

Notice what I'm saying is that two things people "think" are done by the
Google Play Store are not actually done by the Google Play Store (even as
the settings for those two things are in the Google Play Store app).

Here are some illustrative shots from a previous thread on this very topic:
<https://i.postimg.cc/HsXKj7WK/updateallapps01.jpg> Updating all apps doesn't
<https://i.postimg.cc/4djB69pr/updateallapps02.jpg> It's independent of GPS
<https://i.postimg.cc/02xKj04h/updateallapps03.jpg> Only updates SOME apps!
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xxyCJYB/updateallapps04.jpg> Only updates GOOGLE apps!
<https://i.postimg.cc/kgBB3mq0/updateallapps05.jpg> Real update apps are better
<https://i.postimg.cc/fy8TpHFW/updateallapps06.jpg> Some better than others
<https://i.postimg.cc/pLwVw50j/updateallapps07.jpg> No need for a sign in
<https://i.postimg.cc/BZMzpG4C/updateallapps08.jpg> Works even when disabled
<https://i.postimg.cc/g0jQBKrs/updateallapps09.jpg> GP Services is not GP Store
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqVFqVwD/updateallapps10.jpg> They update different stuff
<https://i.postimg.cc/4ymqRF7n/updateallapps11.jpg> Like the GP System version

> I was kinda surprised that Amazon would allow Google into their tablet.

This is good to note since many of us to not have the Amazon tablet.

> But for that price range the tablet is IMO one of the better ones so I
> was glad to have the extra versatility that Google brings.

We have many threads which prove otherwise, but you're welcome to log
into Google Accounts if you think it brings you something of value.

> Sometimes the
> Amazon Appstore and the Google Play Store want to update each others
> apps but that was easily solved by turning off auto update in both
> stores and doing it manually. Otherwise I found no other conflicts.

See above.

The Google Play Store does NOT update apps.
Even what people "think" is the Google Play Store doing the updates,
doesn't update _all_ your apps (even if new versions are in the Google
Play Store repo).

What people "think" is the Google Play Store updating "all" their
apps is simply an Activity inside the Google Play Store app which
updates an extremely limited set of apps on your device.

In my humblest of opinions, people just don't think because most
people _assume_ these two things, both of which are dead wrong.
A. They think the Google Play Store is doing the updates (it's not).
B. They think it updates _all_ their apps (it doesn't).

It's basically worthless, in my humble opinion, but most people
haven't tested it. I have (see the screenshots above for proof).

>> Notice you don't even need to log into Google Play Store for this to
>> happen, and, better yet, you don't even need the Google Play Store
>> enabled as far as I know.
>
> I don't doubt what you say, I've just never tried it. As you know I've
> been long assimilated so was happy to have all Google's advantages on my
> otherwise somewhat limited Amazon tablets.

I don't have a problem with people who do what MARKETING tells them,
but I do have a huge problem when people _assume_ things which are wrong.

In this case, almost everything people assume about the Google Play Store
is dead wrong. In a way, it's like quantum physics where everything you
think you know, is wrong and, if you think you know it, you don't. :)

> On my tablets, Play Protect reports through the Play Store (upper right
> icon > Play Protect). How does it report when there's no Play Store
> installed?

My phone isn't rooted (it can't be rooted, unfortunately); so the Google
Play Store app is "installed" but it's disabled as shown in previous shots.

Sometimes when I test the Google Play Store, I re-enable it; but it does
everything you "think" it does without ever needing to log into it ever.

In summary, what people think is part of the Google Play Store functionality
isn't at all and what people think the Google Play Store updates, it doesn't.

Sigh. It's complicated.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to clarify what the Google Play Store really does.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Mon, 12 Dec 2022 06:14 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> In my humblest of opinions, people just don't think because most
> people _assume_ these two things, both of which are dead wrong.
> A. They think the Google Play Store is doing the updates (it's not).
> B. They think it updates _all_ their apps (it doesn't).
>
> It's basically worthless, in my humble opinion, but most people
> haven't tested it. I have (see the screenshots above for proof).

Actually, to be more comprehensive, there are _three_ things most
people _assume_ are done by the Google Play Store, but they're not.

1. They think the Google Play Store is doing app updates (it's not).
2. They think it updates _all_ their apps (it doesn't even come close).
3. They think the Google Play Store is doing the scans (it's not).

In summary, in reality, the Google Play Store is almost completely
superfluous, in that it provides absolutely _nothing_ you don't
already have without it (and there's no need for a Google Account too!).

Sigh.

The problem with most people is they assume things w/o testing them.
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 15 Dec 2022 08:18 UTC

> AFAIK, there are no known "problems" that anyone has brought up here which
> are associated with turning USB debugging on (at least that I know of).

I'm never afraid to find a contrary opinion such as that brought up by
micky.

Googling furiously to find known problems, this is all I found so far.
*Android Developer Options Explained*
<https://www.xda-developers.com/android-developer-options/>
"some applications & games refuse to launch if USB debugging is enabled."

If you know of a disadvantage of USB debugging that outweighs the
advantages, let us all know as we should never be afraid of facts.
--
Only a fool is afraid of facts (which is why the iKooks are fools).

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 by: micky - Tue, 20 Dec 2022 03:21 UTC

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 9 Dec 2022 15:39:03 +0000, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>BTW, to help document what options I recommend people set, I turned off my
>Developer options a few times and turned it back on to see what changed.
>
>Obviously each Android version has more & more options, but for my Android
>12, here's what I found happened when I turned Developer options off & on.
>
>Listed in order of appearance in my Samsung Android 12 menus...
>
>Turn Developer options = off (the menu after "About phone" disappears).
> A. Quick settings developer tiles, Wireless debugging goes off
> B. USB Debugging goes off (if it was on)
> C. Wireless debugging goes off (if it was on)
> D. Disable adb authorization timeout goes off (if it was on)
> E. Enhanced Wi-Fi MAC randomization goes off (if it was on)
> F. Mobile data always active goes off (if it was on)
> G. Default USB configuration remains set to what you previously set
> H. Select mock location app goes off (if it was on)

When I plug in a cable from the PC, I get a popup at the bottom that
s ays

Use USB for
No data tranfer, X
File Transfer/Android Auto
Transfer photos (PTP)

Does this mean my Developer Options are On.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 20 Dec 2022 18:22 UTC

micky wrote:

> When I plug in a cable from the PC, I get a popup at the bottom that
> says
> Use USB for
> No data tranfer, X
> File Transfer/Android Auto
> Transfer photos (PTP)
>
> Does this mean my Developer Options are On.

By default from what I've read, most Androids are set to "No data transfer"

Probably the best way to tell if Developer options is on is to go to your
Android "Settings" & look to see if you have a "Developer options" menu
(which is often, but not always, the last Settings entry in the list).

As shown below, if Developer options is turned on, the menu will show up.
<https://i.postimg.cc/28324Hdp/devopt01.jpg> Settings > Developer options

Some phones (e.g., Android 10 Motorola G7) put the Developer options menu
in a slightly different location, so it's not always the last in the list.
<https://i.postimg.cc/3N8zZ1vt/devopt05.jpg> Turning Developer Options on

One way to tell that probably works on all Android phones is to press the
"Build number" and if you see what I show below, "You're a developer". :)
<https://i.postimg.cc/jSB0rypj/devopt06.jpg> Press Build number 7 times

Bear in mind the difference in privacy & functionality with developer
options turned on is astoundingly huge compared to it being turned off.
<https://i.postimg.cc/PrqFSfjR/devopt02.jpg> Useful devoptions switches
<https://i.postimg.cc/7LzRSBkP/devopt03.jpg> More devoptions switches
<https://i.postimg.cc/DZFxLn65/devopt04.jpg> Even more devoptions switches
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which, in this case, is to help others better understand Developer options.

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In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 20 Dec 2022 18:22:27 +0000, Andy
Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>micky wrote:
>
>> When I plug in a cable from the PC, I get a popup at the bottom that
>> says
>> Use USB for
>> No data tranfer, X
>> File Transfer/Android Auto
>> Transfer photos (PTP)
>>
>> Does this mean my Developer Options are On.
>
>By default from what I've read, most Androids are set to "No data transfer"
>
>Probably the best way to tell if Developer options is on is to go to your
>Android "Settings" & look to see if you have a "Developer options" menu
>(which is often, but not always, the last Settings entry in the list).

There isn't. But I looked at all the jpg's below -- thx -- and then
googled
Developer Options Xiaomi.

It's not the same as a previous phone, even a previous Xiaomi iirc, but
it is on now. And I set to Yes, Screen won't go to sleep while
charging. I really wanted that one.

Skip Screen lock** is already on. I thought I turned it on, when I
first got the phone. Oh, well, my memory could be better. **I
really like this. The previous phone, the cheap Samsung, didn't have
it.

>As shown below, if Developer options is turned on, the menu will show up.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/28324Hdp/devopt01.jpg> Settings > Developer options
>
>Some phones (e.g., Android 10 Motorola G7) put the Developer options menu
>in a slightly different location, so it's not always the last in the list.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/3N8zZ1vt/devopt05.jpg> Turning Developer Options on
>
>One way to tell that probably works on all Android phones is to press the
>"Build number" and if you see what I show below, "You're a developer". :)
> <https://i.postimg.cc/jSB0rypj/devopt06.jpg> Press Build number 7 times
>
>Bear in mind the difference in privacy & functionality with developer
>options turned on is astoundingly huge compared to it being turned off.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/PrqFSfjR/devopt02.jpg> Useful devoptions switches
> <https://i.postimg.cc/7LzRSBkP/devopt03.jpg> More devoptions switches
> <https://i.postimg.cc/DZFxLn65/devopt04.jpg> Even more devoptions switches

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