On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:07:19 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Updates to "Total Cost of Ownership�XiPhone Versus Android" Google Doc
>
> <https://tinyurl.com/TCO-Android-iPhone> or
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BUZuX-i1set7ktS4lbfGBmzdiCLAoOKfqp0ZSOrZlhk>
>
> I've made several updates to the "Total Cost of Ownership�XiPhone Versus
> Android" Google Doc.

Thank you for caring your spreadsheet is accurate, reliable & updated.
Please add these current real world calculations to your spreadheet.

This is a realistic (not ficticious) cost of ownership calculation.
iPhone 11 -> iPhone 14 = $1,062 (or $928.97 with tradein)
Galaxy S20 -> Galaxy S22 = $997.50 (or $864.50 with tradein)

In both testcases above, you walk into the T-Mobile store located at
1836 Tamiami Trail N L0011, Naples, FL 34102, (239) 213-1229 with
the goal of buying a phone using OEM accessories, if available.

If OEM accessories are not available, then the numbers below reflect the
average of available accessories as the goal is to walk out fully equipped.

You walk into the T-Mobile Naples FL store with a 3-year old iPhone 11.
You walk out with an iPhone 14 base model with all common accessories.
$800 Apple iPhone 14 (base model, 128GB)
$35 inescapable activation/upgrade fee
$50 Apple case
$50 screen (averaged Zagg with the much worse T-Mobile brand Goto)
$0 for the first 3-foot cable because it comes in the box
$12.50 for the other 4-foot cable (averaged the Belkin & T-Mobile Goto)
$25 for the 6-foot Belkin cable (no other choice was available)
$20 for the Apple brick
7% sales tax (even on the activatio/upgrade fee for an unknown reason)
$133 statistically valid trade-in (because only 1/3rd actually get it)

Total realistic cost without tradein: $1,062
Total realistic cost with tradein: $928.97

You walk into the T-Mobile Naples FL store with a 3-year old Galaxy S20.
You walk out with a Galaxy S22 base model with all common accessories.
$800 Samsung Galaxy S22 (base model, 128GB)
$35 inescapable activation/upgrade fee
$52.50 case (I averaged the otterbox case with the t-mobile case)
$50 screen (I averaged the Zagg with the T-Mobile Goto screen)
$0 for the first 3-foot cable because it comes in the box
$15 for the 4-foot cable (they only had the T-mobile branded cable)
$25 for the 6-foot Belkin cable
$20 for the Samsung brick (I presume it is the correct spec for the phone)
7% sales tax (even on the activatio/upgrade fee for an unknown reason)
$133 statistically valid trade-in (because only 1/3rd actually get it)

Total realistic cost without tradein: $997.50
Total realistic cost with tradein: $864.50

Given these are the realistic (not ficticious) total costs which are
believable (not a sham), what do you make of the results found out?

Is one brand appreciably more cost intensive than the other?

Or is the total cost of ownership (for these two phones, at that location,
as defined by badgolferman, with and without tradein) about the same?

On 15 Jan 2023 at 7:08:21 PM, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:07:19 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Updates to "Total Cost of Ownership�XiPhone Versus Android" Google Doc
>>
>> <https://tinyurl.com/TCO-Android-iPhone> or
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BUZuX-i1set7ktS4lbfGBmzdiCLAoOKfqp0ZSOrZlhk>
>>
>> I've made several updates to the "Total Cost of Ownership�XiPhone Versus
>> Android" Google Doc.
>
> Thank you for caring your spreadsheet is accurate, reliable & updated.
> Please add these current real world calculations to your spreadheet.
>
> This is a realistic (not ficticious) cost of ownership calculation.
> iPhone 11 -> iPhone 14 = $1,062 (or $928.97 with tradein)
> Galaxy S20 -> Galaxy S22 = $997.50 (or $864.50 with tradein)
>
> In both testcases above, you walk into the T-Mobile store located at
> 1836 Tamiami Trail N L0011, Naples, FL 34102, (239) 213-1229 with
> the goal of buying a phone using OEM accessories, if available.
>
> If OEM accessories are not available, then the numbers below reflect the
> average of available accessories as the goal is to walk out fully equipped.
>
> You walk into the T-Mobile Naples FL store with a 3-year old iPhone 11.
> You walk out with an iPhone 14 base model with all common accessories.
> $800 Apple iPhone 14 (base model, 128GB)
> $35 inescapable activation/upgrade fee
> $50 Apple case
> $50 screen (averaged Zagg with the much worse T-Mobile brand Goto)
> $0 for the first 3-foot cable because it comes in the box
> $12.50 for the other 4-foot cable (averaged the Belkin & T-Mobile Goto)
> $25 for the 6-foot Belkin cable (no other choice was available)
> $20 for the Apple brick
> 7% sales tax (even on the activatio/upgrade fee for an unknown reason)
> $133 statistically valid trade-in (because only 1/3rd actually get it)
>
> Total realistic cost without tradein: $1,062
> Total realistic cost with tradein: $928.97
>
> You walk into the T-Mobile Naples FL store with a 3-year old Galaxy S20.
> You walk out with a Galaxy S22 base model with all common accessories.
> $800 Samsung Galaxy S22 (base model, 128GB)
> $35 inescapable activation/upgrade fee
> $52.50 case (I averaged the otterbox case with the t-mobile case)
> $50 screen (I averaged the Zagg with the T-Mobile Goto screen)
> $0 for the first 3-foot cable because it comes in the box
> $15 for the 4-foot cable (they only had the T-mobile branded cable)
> $25 for the 6-foot Belkin cable
> $20 for the Samsung brick (I presume it is the correct spec for the phone)
> 7% sales tax (even on the activatio/upgrade fee for an unknown reason)
> $133 statistically valid trade-in (because only 1/3rd actually get it)
>
> Total realistic cost without tradein: $997.50
> Total realistic cost with tradein: $864.50
>
> Given these are the realistic (not ficticious) total costs which are
> believable (not a sham), what do you make of the results found out?
>
> Is one brand appreciably more cost intensive than the other?
>
> Or is the total cost of ownership (for these two phones, at that location,
> as defined by badgolferman, with and without tradein) about the same?

That's not going to happen.

He's never going to introduce those facts into his Google document.

That real world test you two ran doesn't fit his pre planned narrative.
--
Cheers, Rob

On 1/15/2023 7:58 PM, RJH wrote:

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> That real world test you two ran doesn't fit his pre planned narrative.

There's no pre-planned narrative. I have both Android and iPhone devices.

_Every_ value in the document "Realistic Total Cost of Ownership—iPhone
Versus Android"
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BUZuX-i1set7ktS4lbfGBmzdiCLAoOKfqp0ZSOrZlhk>
is based on actual real-world data from carriers, manufacturers, and
resellers. Links are included.

The goal of the document was just to show that when you look,
objectively, at the total cost of ownership of comparably featured
devices that there is not a huge cost difference between Android and
iPhone devices. Android devices tend to have lower street prices but
Apple devices, while the street price is higher, offset that with higher
resale and trade-in values.

Not sure what the agenda is of those individuals that simply don't like
actual data.

In article <tq3197$o5o$1@gioia.aioe.org>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> There's no pre-planned narrative.

overwhelming evidence shows otherwise.

> I have both Android and iPhone devices.

so what? owning something doesn't make someone an expert (or even
knowledgable), which you clearly are not.

nearly everything you say about iphones and other apple products is
easily shown to be wrong, with airtags being the most recent example.

>
> Not sure what the agenda is of those individuals that simply don't like
> actual data.

talking about yourself again, i see.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 00:18:46 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> There's no pre-planned narrative. I have both Android and iPhone devices.

That's a dumb excuse since having both devices doesn't change narratives.
Your narrative was designed, from the start, to show what's not true.

> _Every_ value in the document "Realistic Total Cost of Ownership�XiPhone
> Versus Android"
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BUZuX-i1set7ktS4lbfGBmzdiCLAoOKfqp0ZSOrZlhk>
> is based on actual real-world data from carriers, manufacturers, and
> resellers. Links are included.

Well then, if that's not a lie, then you already have the figures
that badgolferman and I came up with using "actual real-world data."

You did add those real-world figures that we came up with, didn't you?
> The goal of the document was just to show that when you look,
> objectively, at the total cost of ownership of comparably featured
> devices that there is not a huge cost difference between Android and
> iPhone devices.

That's bullshit because you're not limiting the market in that statement.

Only if you limit the market to ONLY the market that Apple participates in,
can you even make ANY statement about Android versus iOS ownership costs.

Otherwise, the statement is clearly false since Android, on average, is
much less expensive to own than the iPhone is, if you look at TAM.

> Android devices tend to have lower street prices but
> Apple devices, while the street price is higher, offset that with higher
> resale and trade-in values.

Bullshit.

We showed real world data that gave EXACTLY the same tradein for three year
old iPhones and Android phones of the choosing of badgolferman, not me.

You have to cook the books in order for your pre-planned narrative to work.

> Not sure what the agenda is of those individuals that simply don't like
> actual data.

It's not surprising you can't understand that badgolferman and I ran a real
world test devoid of sleazy political pre-planned deceitful narratives.

Our test was statistically valid.
The results don't fit your pre-planned politically motivated narrative.

If you truly care about the truth, let us know when you start caring which,
for you, will be as simple as letting us know when it's added to your doc.