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Subject: 0% of iPhones have key modern hardware capabilities - while from 66% to 78% of Android phone have that key modern hardware functionality
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 01:32 UTC

While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
a. 78% of current Androids by our common test, have a standard 3.5 mm jack
b. 72% of current Androids have versatile internal portable storage slots
c. 66% of Android phones sold today have _both_ portable storage & 3.5mm

See below for incontrovertible proof... done how we always have done it.

The only reason iPhones don't have the basic hardware is for Apple to lay a
stick glue trap for its (admittedly loyal) customers to buy it back.

Apple isn't a design house.
Apple can't design a damn thing.

Apple is a MARKETING powerhouse.
Apple, like CocaCola, is great at marketing meaningless sugar water.

Worse... Apple's business strategy is to inexorable remove functionality so
as to lay a glue trap forcing its loyal customers to buy their way out.

Google & Samsung can afford to copy Apple in their attempt to garner the
same profit margins Apple earns from its admittedly gullible customers.

However, the facts must be shown as they stood last we checked on 20220815:
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2
2019 to today number of Android phones (not tablets) = 1850 = 100%
Running that same query today, we find there are 2,066 current models.

Last we checked, on 20220815, 78% had the industry standard 3.5mm jack.
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2
Android phones with 3.5mm jack = 1440 = 78%
Running that same query today, we find there are 1,581 models with it.
The percentage has dropped from 78% to 77%, which is barely a dent.

As for the internal portable storage card slot, I don't see that we listed
that in those numbers that we compiled last August on this newsgroup.

Running that test, we find there are 1,486 phones with portable storage.
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1
That's the vast majority of Android phones at 72% by those same measures.

Running one more test, which is the intersection of those two features,
https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1
We find there are 1,368 current Android phones with both capabilities.

That's the majority of Android phones sold today, at 66%.

Please check the numbers understanding this is the _same_ test we've always
run so it would be deceitful for you to suddenly claim you don't like
objective facts which we all have been using all along.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 01:58 UTC

On 2023-01-18 17:32, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,

That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
of headphone jack a smartphone should have.

> a. 78% of current Androids by our common test, have a standard 3.5 mm jack
> b. 72% of current Androids have versatile internal portable storage slots
> c. 66% of Android phones sold today have _both_ portable storage & 3.5mm
>
> See below for incontrovertible proof... done how we always have done it.
>
> The only reason iPhones don't have the basic hardware is for Apple to lay a
> stick glue trap for its (admittedly loyal) customers to buy it back.
>
> Apple isn't a design house.
> Apple can't design a damn thing.

Apple literally designs almost everything they make except for a small
number of electronic components.

>
> Apple is a MARKETING powerhouse. Apple, like CocaCola, is great at
> marketing meaningless sugar water.

I love how you want to argue BOTH that Apple doesn't design anything...

....and that they are to blame for any flaws in chips...

....which you claim they don't design.

:-)

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 by: Bill W - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 02:10 UTC

On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
<news:tqa84g$145pv$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 2023-01-18 17:32, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
>
> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.

why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?

why doesn't any current iPhone give the iPhone owner that same choice?
why do you think Apple doesn't give its customers the choices Android does?

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 by: Alan - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 02:23 UTC

On 2023-01-18 18:10, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqa84g$145pv$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 2023-01-18 17:32, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
>>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
>>
>> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
>> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>
> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
> why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?
>
> why doesn't any current iPhone give the iPhone owner that same choice?
> why do you think Apple doesn't give its customers the choices Android does?

Better question:

Why do so many people buy iPhones if those choices are so very critical
to people?

:-)

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 04:36 UTC

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:10:28 +1100, Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqa84g$145pv$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 2023-01-18 17:32, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and
>>> while 0%
>>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm
>>> jack,
>>
>> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
>> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>
> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?

Because FAR more of them are very cheap phones whose buyers don't
have the money for more expensive wireless wireless earphones.

> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?

Same reason. The low end androids phones have very little
internal memory to keep the price down and so the sd card
is needed to provide somewhere to store stuff like photos etc.

> why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?

Same reason.

> why doesn't any current iPhone give the iPhone owner that same choice?

Because Apple chooses to not bother with low end phones at all.

> why do you think Apple doesn't give its customers the choices Android
> does?

Because Apple chooses to not bother with low end phones at all.

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 by: Bill W - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 20:57 UTC

On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
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> Why do so many people buy iPhones if those choices are so very critical
> to people?

You mean those same people who buy bad designs like this iPhone cup holder?
http://www.toxel.com/tech/2013/01/26/iphone-cup-holder/

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 by: Alan - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 21:02 UTC

On 2023-01-19 12:57, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqa9j8$155gb$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Why do so many people buy iPhones if those choices are so very critical
>> to people?
>
> You mean those same people who buy bad designs like this iPhone cup holder?
> http://www.toxel.com/tech/2013/01/26/iphone-cup-holder/

Seriously?

That's your comeback?

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 by: sms - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 21:31 UTC

On 1/18/2023 6:10 PM, Bill W wrote:

<snip>

> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
> why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?

Where on earth did you get those numbers? Did they come from our
favorite nym-shifting troll. Or are they from the inventor of the iPhone
and the CEO of Samsung, George Santos?

The reality is that only one manufacturer, Sony, is still building
flagship phones with both a headphone jack and a MicroSD card slot.
Those are premium models that sell for high prices.

No current model Google Pixel phones have neither.

Samsung dropped both on all their flagship models and has begun dropping
both from their mid-range models (the A53 5G dropped the headphone jack,
and the A54 5G reportedly will drop the MicroSD card slot.

There are definitely things to complain about regarding hardware
capabilities of the iPhone versus Android phones, but the headphone jack
and the MicroSD card slot are no longer a valid complaint since most
Android phones have dropped them.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 21:35 UTC

On 2023-01-19 13:31, sms wrote:
> On 1/18/2023 6:10 PM, Bill W wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
>> why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?
>
> Where on earth did you get those numbers? Did they come from our
> favorite nym-shifting troll. Or are they from the inventor of the iPhone
> and the CEO of Samsung, George Santos?
>
> The reality is that only one manufacturer, Sony, is still building
> flagship phones with both a headphone jack and a MicroSD card slot.
> Those are premium models that sell for high prices.
>
> No current model Google Pixel phones have neither.
>
> Samsung dropped both on all their flagship models and has begun dropping
> both from their mid-range models (the A53 5G dropped the headphone jack,
> and the A54 5G reportedly will drop the MicroSD card slot.
>
> There are definitely things to complain about regarding hardware
> capabilities of the iPhone versus Android phones, but the headphone jack
> and the MicroSD card slot are no longer a valid complaint since most
> Android phones have dropped them.

Moreover, it's about what customers really care about.

And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.

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In article <tqccrd$1vu5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
> > why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
> > why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?
>
> Where on earth did you get those numbers? Did they come from our
> favorite nym-shifting troll.

he is either the nymshifting troll or one of your sockpuppets.

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 by: Bill W - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:04 UTC

On Jan 20, 2023, sms wrote (in article
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>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
>> why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?
>
> Where on earth did you get those numbers?

That's like asking me where on earth did I get the idea the sun rises in
the morning since it's super fucking obvious where those numbers came from.

They are in the opening post, with the reference URL from gsmarena.

> There are definitely things to complain about regarding hardware
> capabilities of the iPhone versus Android phones, but the headphone jack
> and the MicroSD card slot are no longer a valid complaint since most
> Android phones have dropped them.

Where on earth did you get those numbers that don't agree with gsmarena?
It's like you saying most days the sun doesn't come up.

The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard slot
and a 3.5mm jack and all but a quarter of them have one or the other.

How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about phones?

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 by: Bill W - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:06 UTC

On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
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> And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
> of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.

They did.

The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard slot
and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids have at least one.

How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about phones?

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:10 UTC

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:04:27 +1300, Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com>
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>On Jan 20, 2023, sms wrote (in article
><news:tqccrd$1vu5$1@gioia.aioe.org>):
>
>>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the jack choice then?
>>> why do three quarters of modern Android phones have the sd card choice?
>>> why do two thirds of modern Android phones have the choice of both?
>>
>> Where on earth did you get those numbers?
>
>That's like asking me where on earth did I get the idea the sun rises in
>the morning since it's super fucking obvious where those numbers came from.

Is that the same as supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?

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 by: *Hemidactylus* - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:20 UTC

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
> a. 78% of current Androids by our common test, have a standard 3.5 mm jack
>
OMG! Seriously? 3.5 mm jack? Haraldr Blátǫnn Gormsson and Hedy Lamarr
called to say technology has changed for the better. I always loved that
static buildup one gets that makes the jack connection scratchy. Reminds me
of a scratched CD skipping or cassette hiss. Why return to those primordial
states? Let me guess, you love 8-tracks too?

This absurd “standard 3.5 mm jack” whining has to be one of the most
ridiculous howlers I’ve seen from your obsessive maniacal rantings and
there have been way too many of those to count. Do you have a life or are
you a lonely shut in loser with a massive chip on his shoulder about
technological consumer preferences?

standard 3.5 mm jack??? Bonkers.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:25 UTC

On 2023-01-19 17:06, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqcd28$1lp3m$4@dont-email.me>):
>
>> And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
>> of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.
>
> They did.
>
> The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard slot
> and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids have at least one.
>
> How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about phones?

I know that iPhones sell in HUGE numbers with neither an SD card slot,
nor a 3.5mm jack.

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 by: *Hemidactylus* - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:30 UTC

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-01-19 17:06, Bill W wrote:
>> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
>> <news:tqcd28$1lp3m$4@dont-email.me>):
>>
>>> And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
>>> of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.
>>
>> They did.
>>
>> The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard slot
>> and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids have at least one.
>>
>> How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about phones?
>
> I know that iPhones sell in HUGE numbers with neither an SD card slot,
> nor a 3.5mm jack.
>
Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea but I think
we all know why that isn’t the ca$e, despite what the resident PR folks
might say.

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 by: *Hemidactylus* - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:48 UTC

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-01-18 17:32, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
>
> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>
One thing I will say besides the precious “standard 3.5 mm jack” going the
way of the non-avian dinosaur is that I didn’t fall for no AirPods hype. I
bought myself a proper set of Bluetooth headphones as the good lord
intended. Ear buds are stupid.

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 by: Bill W - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:50 UTC

On Jan 20, 2023, *Hemidactylus* wrote (in article
<news:cImcnWOS8N80c1T-nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>):

>>>> And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
>>>> of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.
>>>
>>> They did.
>>>
>>> The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard slot
>>> and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids have at least one.
>>>
>>> How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about phones?
>>
>> I know that iPhones sell in HUGE numbers with neither an SD card slot,
>> nor a 3.5mm jack.
>>
> Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea but I think
> we all know why that isn't the ca$e, despite what the resident PR folks
> might say.

The beauty of the storage in an sd card is in all the things that it does.

It's cheap storage.
It's storage that can expand your system storage.
It's storage that can be pulled out and used in your pc.
It's storage that can be moved from one phone to any other phone.
It's useful to put photos on so that your main storage isn't filled up.
It's backup storage that can be saved if the phone is broken and unusable.

People voted with their dollars which is why three quarters of all current
Android phone models today are equipped with that sd storage slot option.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:51 UTC

On 2023-01-19 17:50, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2023, *Hemidactylus* wrote (in article
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>
>>>>> And if any of those things were really that important to large numbers
>>>>> of customers, those customers would vote with their dollars.
>>>>
>>>> They did.
>>>>
>>>> The gsmarena site says most current Android models have both an sdcard slot
>>>> and a 3.5mm jack & all but a quarter of current Androids have at least one.
>>>>
>>>> How can you flat outright say gsmarena doesn't know fuck about phones?
>>>
>>> I know that iPhones sell in HUGE numbers with neither an SD card slot,
>>> nor a 3.5mm jack.
>>>
>> Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea but I think
>> we all know why that isn't the ca$e, despite what the resident PR folks
>> might say.
>
> The beauty of the storage in an sd card is in all the things that it does.
>
> It's cheap storage.
> It's storage that can expand your system storage.
> It's storage that can be pulled out and used in your pc.
> It's storage that can be moved from one phone to any other phone.
> It's useful to put photos on so that your main storage isn't filled up.
> It's backup storage that can be saved if the phone is broken and unusable.
>
> People voted with their dollars which is why three quarters of all current
> Android phone models today are equipped with that sd storage slot option.

And it is clearly not important to a lot of people.

What percentage of smartphone purchasers are choosing ones with SD card
slots?

What percentage are actually USING those slots?

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 by: Bill W - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:56 UTC

On Jan 20, 2023, *Hemidactylus* wrote (in article
<news:JMmcnVKKUNdFb1T-nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>):

>>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
>>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
>>
>> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
>> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>>
> One thing I will say besides the precious "standard 3.5 mm jack" going the
> way of the non-avian dinosaur is that I didn't fall for no AirPods hype. I
> bought myself a proper set of Bluetooth headphones as the good lord
> intended. Ear buds are stupid.

How can you say that when more than three quarters of all current Android
phone models have that jack which means less than a quarter have lost it?

Do you see different numbers than I did when I pasted in the gmsarena links
that are listed in the original post that give you those 78% values?

Or do you not believe gsmarena knows which phone models have a 3.5mm jack?

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 by: Bill W - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 02:09 UTC

On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
<news:tqcs3a$1pj3c$2@dont-email.me>):

>> People voted with their dollars which is why three quarters of all current
>> Android phone models today are equipped with that sd storage slot option.
>
> And it is clearly not important to a lot of people.

How can you so stupidly dispute the data that comes out of gsmarena?
> What percentage of smartphone purchasers are choosing ones with SD card
> slots?

What's Android's world wide market share?

Since about three quarters of all current Android models have the slot, I'd
guess that it's three quarters of that percent times the total phones sold.
> What percentage are actually USING those slots?

If I use 85% of all phones sold in the past three years are Android and if
gsmarena is correct that 72% of the models have the sdslot, all I can tell
you using those roundabout numbers is 3/4 of 85% is around 65% of those
phones if Android models were evenly distributed across those sales.

If you want to make different assumptions, do so as it's your question.

This says there's over seven billion smartphones but I don't know how many
of those are within the last three years. If I assume 6 billion of them are
recent, then about five billion (at 85%) are recent Android phones, of
which about four billion of them came with the sd slot inside the phone.

That's all I can tell you since I never bothered to care about how many.

You should look up the numbers yourself.
Another way to look at that would be for you to look up sd card sales.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 02:13 UTC

On 2023-01-19 17:56, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2023, *Hemidactylus* wrote (in article
> <news:JMmcnVKKUNdFb1T-nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>
>>>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
>>>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
>>>
>>> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
>>> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>>>
>> One thing I will say besides the precious "standard 3.5 mm jack" going the
>> way of the non-avian dinosaur is that I didn't fall for no AirPods hype. I
>> bought myself a proper set of Bluetooth headphones as the good lord
>> intended. Ear buds are stupid.
>
> How can you say that when more than three quarters of all current Android
> phone models have that jack which means less than a quarter have lost it?

Because percentage of phones available is not the same as percentage of
phones purchased.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 02:16 UTC

On 2023-01-19 18:09, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
> <news:tqcs3a$1pj3c$2@dont-email.me>):
>
>>> People voted with their dollars which is why three quarters of all current
>>> Android phone models today are equipped with that sd storage slot option.
>>
>> And it is clearly not important to a lot of people.
>
> How can you so stupidly dispute the data that comes out of gsmarena?

The data that comes out of gsmarena tells you NOTHING about what people
are actually BUYING.

>
>> What percentage of smartphone purchasers are choosing ones with SD card
>> slots?
>
> What's Android's world wide market share?
>
> Since about three quarters of all current Android models have the slot, I'd
> guess that it's three quarters of that percent times the total phones sold.a

So you simply assume there is a completely even distribution of Android
phone sales?

>
>> What percentage are actually USING those slots?
>
> If I use 85% of all phones sold in the past three years are Android and if
> gsmarena is correct that 72% of the models have the sdslot, all I can tell
> you using those roundabout numbers is 3/4 of 85% is around 65% of those
> phones if Android models were evenly distributed across those sales.
>
> If you want to make different assumptions, do so as it's your question.

You failed to answer the question.

>
> This says there's over seven billion smartphones but I don't know how many
> of those are within the last three years. If I assume 6 billion of them are
> recent, then about five billion (at 85%) are recent Android phones, of
> which about four billion of them came with the sd slot inside the phone.
>
> That's all I can tell you since I never bothered to care about how many.
>
> You should look up the numbers yourself.
> Another way to look at that would be for you to look up sd card sales.

Ummmmmm...nope.

SD cards are used for a lot more than smartphones, sunshine.

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 by: *Hemidactylus* - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 02:16 UTC

Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2023, *Hemidactylus* wrote (in article
> <news:JMmcnVKKUNdFb1T-nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>
>>>> While 0% of iPhones have modern portable storage capabilities, and while 0%
>>>> of the current iPhones have the versatile industry standard 3.5 mm jack,
>>>
>>> That's not a modern feature, nor is there any "standard" about what sort
>>> of headphone jack a smartphone should have.
>>>
>> One thing I will say besides the precious "standard 3.5 mm jack" going the
>> way of the non-avian dinosaur is that I didn't fall for no AirPods hype. I
>> bought myself a proper set of Bluetooth headphones as the good lord
>> intended. Ear buds are stupid.
>
> How can you say that when more than three quarters of all current Android
> phone models have that jack which means less than a quarter have lost it?
>
> Do you see different numbers than I did when I pasted in the gmsarena links
> that are listed in the original post that give you those 78% values?
>
> Or do you not believe gsmarena knows which phone models have a 3.5mm jack?
>
I don’t care about the stupid standard 3.5 mm jack. I actually have a
lightning to standard 3.5 mm jack adapter, which I have used for my boombox
in the past but can cast music to my Roku if I want or just use a music app
or Youtube on my Roku which ports into my home theater. Granted that uses
ancient RCA jacks, but it’s not my phone. Imagine clunky RCA jacks in my
phone? Well actually if I used the lightning to standard 3.5 mm jack
adapter I have to use an RCA splitter like they did when Miami Vice and
Golden Girls were all the rage.

Why fret about the precious standard 3.5 mm jack when they make frickin
adapters and splitters that work fine. Or use Bluetooth or cast over WiFi
like it’s actually the 21st century.

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 by: Bill W - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 02:21 UTC

On Jan 20, 2023, Alan wrote (in article
<news:tqctcs$1q0bd$1@dont-email.me>):

>> How can you say that when more than three quarters of all current Android
>> phone models have that jack which means less than a quarter have lost it?
>
> Because percentage of phones available is not the same as percentage of
> phones purchased.

Fair enough.
What numbers do you come up with then?

Quote the URL so I can check that you didn't make it up.

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