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* Looking for peers.Miner
+* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|`* Re: Looking for peers.The Doctor
| `- Re: Looking for peers.Miner
+* Re: Looking for peers.The Doctor
|`* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
| `* Re: Looking for peers.The Doctor
|  +* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |`* Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  | `* Re: Looking for peers.The Doctor
|  |  `* Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   +* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |`* Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   | `* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |  `* Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   |   `* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |    `* Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   |     `* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |      +* Re: Looking for peers.Ishmel Rowe Dent
|  |   |      |+- Re: Looking for peers.The Doctor
|  |   |      |+- Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |      |+- Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |      |`* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |      | +* Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   |      | |`- Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |      | +* Re: Looking for peers.Ishmel Rowe Dent
|  |   |      | |`* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |      | | +- Re: Looking for peers.jdd
|  |   |      | | +* Re: Looking for peers.Ishmel Rowe Dent
|  |   |      | | |`* Re: Looking for peers.jdd
|  |   |      | | | `- Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |      | | +- Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   |      | | `* Re: Looking for peers.Ishmel Rowe Dent
|  |   |      | |  `- Re: Looking for peers.noel
|  |   |      | +* Re: Looking for peers.Matthew Ernisse
|  |   |      | |+* Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   |      | ||`* Re: Looking for peers.Richard Kettlewell
|  |   |      | || `- Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   |      | |`* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |      | | `* Re: Looking for peers.Matthew Ernisse
|  |   |      | |  `- Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |      | +- Re: Looking for peers.Ishmel Rowe Dent
|  |   |      | `- Re: Looking for peers.Ishmel Rowe Dent
|  |   |      `* Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   |       +* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|  |   |       |`* Re: Looking for peers.Ted Heise
|  |   |       | `* Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   |       |  +- Re: Looking for peers.The Doctor
|  |   |       |  `* Re: Looking for peers.jdd
|  |   |       |   `* Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  |   |       |    `- Re: Looking for peers.Ted Heise
|  |   |       `- Re: Looking for peers.The Doctor
|  |   `* Re: Looking for peers.Rod Ent
|  |    `* Re: Looking for peers.Matthew Ernisse
|  |     +- Re: Looking for peers.The Doctor
|  |     `- Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
|  `* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|   `- Re: Looking for peers.Nomen Nescio
+* Re: Looking for peers.Miner
|`* Re: Looking for peers.Newsmaster
| `- Re: Looking for peers.Grant Taylor
`- Re: Looking for peers.Nigel Reed

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Re: Looking for peers.

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From: nob...@dizum.com (Nomen Nescio)
Subject: Re: Looking for peers.
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 by: Nomen Nescio - Wed, 13 Jul 2022 14:13 UTC

Hi Stefan!

Re: Looking for peers.

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From: gtay...@tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Looking for peers.
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 10:04:49 -0600
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 by: Grant Taylor - Wed, 13 Jul 2022 16:04 UTC

On 7/13/22 6:16 AM, Miner wrote:
> The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities for
> its use, even a child can do it.

Yet again you fail or refuse -- I don't think the difference matters --
to answer my question. (Question copied below for your convenience.)

--8<--
Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you, the
admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
-->8--

> You did nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Let's agree to disagree.

> An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...

I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who goes out
of their way to make things work and collaborate with people.

If you won't meet me part way by answering a question, then as far as
I'm concerned, that's on you.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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From: gtay...@tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Looking for peers.
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 10:06:10 -0600
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 by: Grant Taylor - Wed, 13 Jul 2022 16:06 UTC

On 7/13/22 8:00 AM, Matthew Ernisse wrote:
> I think it's pretty clear from the beginning that they have been
> acting in bad faith and that a reasonable news server administrator
> should avoid peering with them.

Agreed.

It seems as if they would prefer to engage in ad hominem attacks rather
than answer a simple question.

My opinion is that all evidence indicates that I want to NOT peer with
them, despite my desire to keep an open mind.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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 by: Miner - Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:01 UTC

Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

> On 7/13/22 07:16, Miner wrote:
> > Grant Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > On 7/11/22 4:46 AM, Miner wrote:
> > > > I have offered you a solution that immediately removes
> > > > the barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you
> > > > do to overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?
> > >
> > > That is not an answer to the question that I asked.
> > >
> > > Please clarify who "remote side" represents.
> > >
> > > As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved,
> > > you, the admin that you wrote, and the original intended
> > > recipient.
> >
> > The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary
> > abilities for its use, even a child can do it. You did
> > nothing. Absolutely nothing.
> >
> > An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...
>
> The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
> email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
> You are exuding crank.

I have more reason to trust amateurish Tox, than "reliable email
service".

> I could sense your hostility when I first read your exchange
> with RetroGuy on Rocksolid. Even RetroGuy explained to you that
> he was unfamiliar with Tox, and hopefully he was wise enough to
> not bother installing it. NNTP administration is done via email
> and control messages. It is not done via Tox messenger. You are
> demanding something out of the ordinary, then acting petulant
> when you can't have your way.

The goal was unattainable in the ordinary way.

You often refer to the canons, I see. These days, the canons have
unwittingly been mixed with the commercial interests of a third
party. Obviously, you're demanding me to be a raw material in a
third party enrichment machine. I won't.

> Three people smelled a rat. But they're hypocrites, amirite?
> You are demanding people use a unknown, untrusted protocol to
> communicate with you, when NNTP admins must have a public email
> in the first place.

This formality has been completed. Lack of features or broken
features on remote side is beyond my competence.

> Both the Tox protocol and all the available software for it is
> an obscure, amateurish and insecure hodge-podge of parts. I
> know the character of some of the people who worked on the Tox
> project and I wouldn't trust them with a pet rock. Some unknown
> person demanding strangers to install and use unorganized and
> un-vetted software that can access the audio, video, and other
> hardware and drivers of the target machine just to chat, smells
> like a bouquet of Roden Tendrons.

I can express tons of criticism of "reliable email service". But
it's useless.

P.S. "Remember that amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built
the Titanic."
--
Miner

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 by: Miner - Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:48 UTC

Grant Taylor wrote:

> I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who
> goes out of their way to make things work and collaborate with
> people.

The undeniable fact is that your "benefit" was ephemeral.

--
Miner

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From: the...@panix.com (Ted Heise)
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Subject: Re: Looking for peers.
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 by: Ted Heise - Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:55 UTC

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:48:02 -0000 (UTC),
Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Grant Taylor wrote:
>
> > I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who
> > goes out of their way to make things work and collaborate with
> > people.
>
> The undeniable fact is that your "benefit" was ephemeral.

Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed
Grant on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome
of open mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He
bolsters my faith in humanity.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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From: gtay...@tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Looking for peers.
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 by: Grant Taylor - Wed, 13 Jul 2022 18:32 UTC

On 7/13/22 11:55 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
> Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed Grant
> on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome of open
> mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He bolsters my
> faith in humanity.

Hi Ted,

Thank you. You brought a smile to my face. I'm glad that someone
appreciates my efforts.

Have a good day.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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 by: The Doctor - Wed, 13 Jul 2022 22:01 UTC

In article <tamfsu$ot9$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 7/13/22 6:16 AM, Miner wrote:
>> The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities for
>> its use, even a child can do it.
>
>Yet again you fail or refuse -- I don't think the difference matters --
>to answer my question. (Question copied below for your convenience.)
>
>--8<--
>Please clarify who "remote side" represents.
>
>As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you, the
>admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
>-->8--
>
>> You did nothing. Absolutely nothing.
>
>Let's agree to disagree.
>
>> An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...
>
>I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who goes out
>of their way to make things work and collaborate with people.
>
>If you won't meet me part way by answering a question, then as far as
>I'm concerned, that's on you.
>
>

PLease do not feed the troll.

>
>--
>Grant. . . .
>unix || die

--
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Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
They are so full of goodness, they must hide what they are. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

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Subject: Re: Looking for peers.
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 by: The Doctor - Wed, 13 Jul 2022 22:02 UTC

In article <tamohq$i51$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 7/13/22 11:55 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
>> Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed Grant
>> on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome of open
>> mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He bolsters my
>> faith in humanity.
>
>Hi Ted,
>
>Thank you. You brought a smile to my face. I'm glad that someone
>appreciates my efforts.
>
>Have a good day.
>
>

Only the good stay reputible.

>
>--
>Grant. . . .
>unix || die

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
They are so full of goodness, they must hide what they are. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

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 by: jdd - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 06:49 UTC

Le 13/07/2022 à 20:32, Grant Taylor a écrit :
> On 7/13/22 11:55 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
>> Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed Grant
>> on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome of open
>> mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He bolsters my
>> faith in humanity.
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> Thank you. You brought a smile to my face. I'm glad that someone
> appreciates my efforts.
>
> Have a good day.
>
>
>
he not alone. Keep going, Grant!

jdd

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 by: Miner - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 14:12 UTC

"Important" remarks were made by my opponents in the current
thread. I notified the author of the FAQ about it. In the next
edition of the FAQ he will judge us. ;-)

To: eagle@eyrie.org
Subject: INN 2.x FAQ
Message-Id: <20220714132556.1C1845C1212@smtp.postman.i2p>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 13:25:56 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: 6.14. Find external feeds and set up peering
After the discussion in group news.admin.peering, it became clear
that chapter 6.14 of the INN 2.x FAQ need to be updated with the
following conditions:
* administrator must have an account on "reliable email service" [1];
* administrator should assist the third party in achieving
commercial interests [2].
It probably makes sense to write a definition of "reliable email
service" and list them.
References:
1. Message-ID: <tamep7$2r8ph$1@news.mixmin.net>
2. Message-ID: <tamtot$12n$1@txtcon.i2p>
--
Miner
--
Miner

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 by: Newsmaster - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 14:43 UTC

Hi

I think in all chapter with social interactions
a Refence to

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/442332/the-modern-gentlemans-handbook-by-tyrwhitt-charles/9781529108842

would be suffice.

With best regards
MM

Am 10.07.2022 um 10:44 schrieb Miner:
> Miner wrote:
>
>> I am looking for an additional peers.
>>
>> I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
>> Yggdrasil network only.
>
> No one was willing to peer with me for the past 24 hours. I find
> it pointless to waste time and computing resources on running a
> news server while I have only one newsfeed. I decided to shutting
> down my news server for a few next days.
>

--
Diese E-Mail wurde von AVG auf Viren geprüft.
http://www.avg.com

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 by: Miner - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:28 UTC

Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

> The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
> email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
> You are exuding crank.

Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
on the stage. Did you read this <87a69bg3bs.fsf@hope.eyrie.org>?

Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
caring about commercial interests of a third party?

Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
--
Miner

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 by: Grant Taylor - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:45 UTC

On 7/14/22 10:28 AM, Miner wrote:
> Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

I'll add this:

I consider the desire ~> requirement for valid email address as one of
network operations. As in server administrators need a reliable way to
get a hold of each other to communicate about repairing the network when
the network is down. Or out of bands if you will.

As such, withholding an email address when requesting to establish
peering sort of breaks that fundamental tenant of network operation.

I don't particularly care /what/ the email address is as long as it's a
usable email address.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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 by: Grant Taylor - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:46 UTC

On 7/14/22 12:49 AM, jdd wrote:
> Le 13/07/2022 à 20:32, Grant Taylor a écrit :
> he not alone. Keep going, Grant!

Thank you jdd. You too brought a smile to my face.

I've added both of your complements to my save file.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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 by: Grant Taylor - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:47 UTC

On 7/14/22 8:43 AM, Newsmaster wrote:
> Hi

Hi MM,

> I think in all chapter with social interactions a Refence to
>
> https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/442332/the-modern-gentlemans-handbook-by-tyrwhitt-charles/9781529108842
>
> would be suffice.

Interesting reference.

Thank you for sharing MM.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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 by: Ted Heise - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 17:40 UTC

On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 10:46:20 -0600,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
> On 7/14/22 12:49 AM, jdd wrote:
> > Le 13/07/2022 ? 20:32, Grant Taylor a ?crit?:
> > he not alone. Keep going, Grant!
>
> Thank you jdd. You too brought a smile to my face.
>
> I've added both of your complements to my save file.

Uh-oh, now you've done it. Our compliments do complement each
other, but...

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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 by: Ishmel Rowe Dent - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 17:51 UTC

On 7/14/22 11:28, Miner wrote:
> Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:
>
>> The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
>> email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
>> You are exuding crank.
>
> Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
> on the stage. Did you read this <87a69bg3bs.fsf@hope.eyrie.org>?
>
> Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
> of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
> caring about commercial interests of a third party?
>
> Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) Your own MTA server, which
presumably is already installed alongside your INN server.

You already have INN installed, which means you also have a MTA
installed (usu. postfix) since they ship together in the repos and are
marked depends by the upstream package manager.

So create a mailbox and point a MX record to it.

--

Ishmel Rowe Dent

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 by: Matthew Ernisse - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 17:58 UTC

On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:28:39 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:

[ snip ]

> Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
> of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
> caring about commercial interests of a third party?

I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable email
service but I don't understand what the "commercial interests of a
third party" means in the context of having a reliable email address.

--
"The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
--Kosh

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 by: Miner - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 18:10 UTC

Grant Taylor wrote:

> On 7/14/22 10:28 AM, Miner wrote:
> > Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
>
> I'll add this:
This is irrelevant, not in dispute.

--
Miner

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 by: Grant Taylor - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 18:15 UTC

On 7/14/22 11:58 AM, Matthew Ernisse wrote:
> I don't understand what the "commercial interests of a third party"
> means in the context of having a reliable email address.

My take on that is that you shouldn't depeer with someone who was not
profiting from their Usenet service just because they started charging
for access thereto / profiting therefrom. E.g. a small office that has
a few modems and a Usenet server that allowed employees to dial in from
home now decides to start selling dial up access to non-employees.

Either you exchange articles or you don't. Your decision shouldn't be
based on if the perspective peer is commercially benefiting from the
peering or not.

I could see this really being the case if a non-commercial entity is
getting free peering from a commercial entity and then the
non-commercial decides to try to cover their costs, thus making the
commercial entity feel competition.

But, that's probably an idealistic point of view.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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 by: Miner - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:15 UTC

Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

> On 7/14/22 11:28, Miner wrote:
> > Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:
> >
> > > The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
> > > email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
> > > You are exuding crank.
> >
> > Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
> > of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
> > caring about commercial interests of a third party?
> >
> > Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
>
> A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) Your own MTA server,
> which presumably is already installed alongside your INN
> server.

Do I need to register a domain?

--
Miner

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 by: Miner - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:21 UTC

Matthew Ernisse wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:28:39 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:
>
> [ snip ]
>
> > Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a
> > list of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them
> > without caring about commercial interests of a third party?
>
> I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable
> email service but I don't understand what the "commercial
> interests of a third party" means in the context of having a
> reliable email address.

Try to get competent advice in the relevant group. alt.privacy
will be helpful, I hope.

--
Miner

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 by: Matthew Ernisse - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:29 UTC

On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:
> Matthew Ernisse wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:28:39 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:
>>
>> [ snip ]
>>
>> > Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a
>> > list of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them
>> > without caring about commercial interests of a third party?
>>
>> I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable
>> email service but I don't understand what the "commercial
>> interests of a third party" means in the context of having a
>> reliable email address.
>
> Try to get competent advice in the relevant group. alt.privacy
> will be helpful, I hope.
>

They speak for you in articulating your meaning?

--
"The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
--Kosh

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 by: Miner - Thu, 14 Jul 2022 20:05 UTC

Matthew Ernisse wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:
> > Matthew Ernisse wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:28:39 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:
> >>
> >> [ snip ]
> >>
> >> > Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a
> >> > list of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them
> >> > without caring about commercial interests of a third party?
> >>
> >> I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable
> >> email service but I don't understand what the "commercial
> >> interests of a third party" means in the context of having a
> >> reliable email address.
> >
> > Try to get competent advice in the relevant group. alt.privacy
> > will be helpful, I hope.
> >
>
> They speak for you in articulating your meaning?

I can't guarantee it. Nevertheless, I'm sure there is smart guys
and our opinions often coincide.

P.S. I would like to remind you that we are in NEWS.ADMIN.PEERING
group.

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