On 2023-01-22 20:41, Paul wrote:
> On 1/22/2023 2:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-01-22 16:28, sms wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2023 12:25 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I was tricked once when buying a modem "compatible" with V90. It did
>>>> not have V90 in hardware, it needed a driver in the operating
>>>> system, which meant it only worked in Windows, and I waas double
>>>> booting Linux/Windows.
>>>
>>> I remember WinModems aka soft modems. Reduced cost because Windows
>>> performed the DSP functions with the x86 processor. There were also
>>> HP inkjet printers like that, where Windows sent a bit map to the
>>> printer and the printer didn't support PCL or Postscript.
>>
>> Yes, those.
>
> The shocker for me, is I was evaluating two dialup solutions,
> hoping to "prove" that the USR datapump modem was "worth the money".
> I compared the WinModem DSP code to the USR with its datapump,
> and the WinModem managed to get 1% more thruput than the USR.
> I even repeated the test (back and forth), just to be sure
> it wasn't an anomaly and it was repeatable.
>
> The canon of the time, was that the USR was "always better"
> in contests like this.
>
> The hard part of WinModem, was the finding of that magical driver.
> It did take me a while to dig that one up.

For me the choice was unique: I needed to double boot, I needed the
modem to also work in Linux. So winmodems were out, plain simple.

Something to compare was the cpu load on the computer. Did you check
that? I'm curious.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

In article <knk0ajx2ag.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> For me the choice was unique: I needed to double boot, I needed the
> modem to also work in Linux. So winmodems were out, plain simple.

<http://www.linmodems.org>

still best to avoid them, but they could be used with linux.

> Something to compare was the cpu load on the computer. Did you check
> that? I'm curious.

it was noticeable. the main problem was if the process crashed, the
connection dropped, versus a real modem which would maintain the
connection while the computer rebooted, and in some cases, could
resume.

On 2023-01-22 22:13, nospam wrote:
> In article <knk0ajx2ag.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> For me the choice was unique: I needed to double boot, I needed the
>> modem to also work in Linux. So winmodems were out, plain simple.
>
> <http://www.linmodems.org>
>
> still best to avoid them, but they could be used with linux.

Nah.

>
>> Something to compare was the cpu load on the computer. Did you check
>> that? I'm curious.
>
> it was noticeable. the main problem was if the process crashed, the
> connection dropped, versus a real modem which would maintain the
> connection while the computer rebooted, and in some cases, could
> resume.

I just remembered once when (I figured out later) the external modem had
hung, and was trying non stop to send something to the computer, hung in
a loop, generating too many IRQs. These were attended to by the init
process in Linux, making it so busy (attend IRQ and discard) that the
machine could basically do nothing, even after a reboot. It was the
modem which needed a reboot.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:24:18 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:59:40 -0500, Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com>
> wrote:
> >Yes, but it's not restricted to Microsoft. Netscape long ago renamed
> >their browser's scripting language "JavaScript" to capitalize on the
> >buzz around Sun Microsystem's Java language. The two are totally
> >different, but people have been confusing them ever since.
>
>
> You're right of course--it's not restricted to Microsoft. However as
> far as I'm concerned Microsoft has done it more than any other
> company.

+1

Indeed yes: Outlook versus Outlook Express, Windows Mail versus
Windows Live Mail versus Windows Live Hotmail, and of course Remote
Desktop and Remote Desktop Services. There are lots of other
examples, but those are the three that occur to me right off the bat.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 06:04:06 -0800, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:24:18 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:59:40 -0500, Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Yes, but it's not restricted to Microsoft. Netscape long ago renamed
>> >their browser's scripting language "JavaScript" to capitalize on the
>> >buzz around Sun Microsystem's Java language. The two are totally
>> >different, but people have been confusing them ever since.
>>
>>
>> You're right of course--it's not restricted to Microsoft. However as
>> far as I'm concerned Microsoft has done it more than any other
>> company.
>
>+1
>
>Indeed yes: Outlook versus Outlook Express,

Don't forget Outlook.com.

>Windows Mail versus
>Windows Live Mail versus Windows Live Hotmail, and of course Remote
>Desktop and Remote Desktop Services. There are lots of other
>examples, but those are the three that occur to me right off the bat.