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* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphoneAndy Burnelli
+* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphoneThe Real Bev
|+* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphoneCarlos E.R.
||`- Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphoneAndy Burnelli
|`- Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphoneAndy Burnelli
`* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphoneStan Brown
 `* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphonesms
  `* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphonewolfgang kern
   +- Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphonePaul
   `* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphoneThe Real Bev
    `* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphonewolfgang kern
     +- Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphoneCarlos E.R.
     `* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphonesms
      `* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphonewolfgang kern
       `* Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphonesms
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         `- Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphoneCarlos E.R.

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Subject: Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphone
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 19:24:50 +0000
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 21 Jan 2023 19:24 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> The phone will know best what it needs.

Carlos, (or anyone who is discussing formatting the sd card)...
Are you _sure_ the phone even needs to format a brand new sd card?

As I recall, the process is harder to open the damn shrink-wrapped plastic
package (which is a thousand times larger than the sd card is) than it is
to get it to work in the Android phone.

Here's the "difficult" part of the process, as I see it:

1. You weed your way through traffic to get to Costco.
2. You wait on line to buy the 256GB card for about twenty bucks on sale.
3. You weed your way through traffic to get home.
4. You find a box cutter and you cut open the package <-- *hardest step!*
5. You generally turn off the phone (but you normally don't have to)
6. You open the back of the phone (or you push out the side tray)
7. You insert the brand new sdcard into that internal or side tray
8. You put the back on the phone & power the phone up.

Voila!
It just works.

Does it not?
*Why do you need to format the brand new sd card?*
--
Note I'm not saying you can't format the sd card if you want to.
But I am saying that in my experience, you do not need to do it.

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From: bashley...@gmail.com (The Real Bev)
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Subject: Re: Copying files -- Win10 laptop to Android cellphone
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 by: The Real Bev - Sat, 21 Jan 2023 19:46 UTC

On 1/21/23 11:24 AM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> The phone will know best what it needs.
>
> Carlos, (or anyone who is discussing formatting the sd card)...
> Are you _sure_ the phone even needs to format a brand new sd card?
>
> As I recall, the process is harder to open the damn shrink-wrapped plastic
> package (which is a thousand times larger than the sd card is) than it is
> to get it to work in the Android phone.
>
> Here's the "difficult" part of the process, as I see it:
>
> 1. You weed your way through traffic to get to Costco.
> 2. You wait on line to buy the 256GB card for about twenty bucks on sale.
> 3. You weed your way through traffic to get home.
> 4. You find a box cutter and you cut open the package <-- *hardest step!*
> 5. You generally turn off the phone (but you normally don't have to)
> 6. You open the back of the phone (or you push out the side tray)
> 7. You insert the brand new sdcard into that internal or side tray
> 8. You put the back on the phone & power the phone up.
>
> Voila!
> It just works.
>
> Does it not?
> *Why do you need to format the brand new sd card?*

If you want it to act as an extension of memory (a mistake I made --
didn't work anywhere near as well as I expected) as opposed to a simple
repository for files, the phone will reformat the card so it can't be
used as a repository any more. I suppose you can create a subdirectory
on it to store pictures etc., but I didn't try that. You certainly
can't take it out of the phone and insert it into a reader on your
computer any more.

--
Cheers, Bev
______________________________________________________
"Parasites plus suckers do not add up to a community."
-- Thomas Sowell

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sat, 21 Jan 2023 20:30 UTC

On 2023-01-21 20:46, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 1/21/23 11:24 AM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> The phone will know best what it needs.
>>
>> Carlos, (or anyone who is discussing formatting the sd card)...
>> Are you _sure_ the phone even needs to format a brand new sd card?

Sometimes, yes. The phone doesn't like the format the card comes in. And
it may not be a new card.

>>
>> As I recall, the process is harder to open the damn shrink-wrapped

....

>> Voila!
>> It just works.
>>
>> Does it not?
>>   *Why do you need to format the brand new sd card?*
>
> If you want it to act as an extension of memory (a mistake I made --
> didn't work anywhere near as well as I expected)  as opposed to a simple
> repository for files, the phone will reformat the card so it can't be
> used as a repository any more.  I suppose you can create a subdirectory
> on it to store pictures etc., but I didn't try that.  You certainly
> can't take it out of the phone and insert it into a reader on your
> computer any more.

Yes, of course. And if I remember correctly, the OP wanted to use the
card to exchange files with the computer. The USB cable method was not
working, but that was because it was a 2 wire only cable. Or that was
another thread :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 21 Jan 2023 20:51 UTC

The Real Bev wrote:

> If you want it to act as an extension of memory (a mistake I made --
> didn't work anywhere near as well as I expected) as opposed to a simple
> repository for files, the phone will reformat the card so it can't be
> used as a repository any more.

Hi The Real Bev,

It's always good to discuss thing with you as you're eminently pragmatic.
Yes. But no. Not really. In practice anyway. Not for most of us, that is.

With primary storage being large nowadays, who bothers with adoptable
storage (aka extended storage)? Not me. The cons outweigh the pros.

BTW, see below... you can format USB thumb drivs as expandable storage.

> I suppose you can create a subdirectory
> on it to store pictures etc., but I didn't try that. You certainly
> can't take it out of the phone and insert it into a reader on your
> computer any more.

Like you, I deprecate extended (adoptable) sd card storage in favor of the
more portable (external) sd card storage but the point is you can do a lot.
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/n843in/psa_you_can_do_a_lot_more_with_adoptable_storage/>

Notice you can make 1/4 of an sd card one type and 3/4 the other type.
"Hey! I just recently figured out some cool stuff you can
do with adoptable storage. I'm here to share.
You can actually do 50% portable and 50% internal storage
with your SD card! adb shell and then sm list-disks adoptable.

Then do something like sm partition <DISK ID> mixed 25
to have 25% portable storage and 75% private storage.

*You can format even USB drives as expandable storage.*
Turn sm set-force-adoptable on and then you can make any drive
have your apps on them.

Don't ask me if that 2/3rds can be put in other phones or PCs though.
Does anyone know the answer to _that_ esoteric question?
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to expound on the nature of expandable sd storage.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 21 Jan 2023 20:59 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

>>> Carlos, (or anyone who is discussing formatting the sd card)...
>>> Are you _sure_ the phone even needs to format a brand new sd card?
>
> Sometimes, yes. The phone doesn't like the format the card comes in. And
> it may not be a new card.

Hi Carlos,

Fair enough. Thanks for that answer. I've used, oh, I don't know, a dozen
or more sd cards in my Android phones over time & all just worked for me.

The only reason I format a brand new card is to name it 0000-0001 so that I
don't always have to look in my file manager when I need a full filespec.

Admittedly a full filespec isn't often needed, but it is needed sometimes.
For example, some of the WebDAV servers _require_ a full filespec.

Also the daemons that move files around for me (like PDFDistiller used to
do years ago) the moment they appear on Android also require filespecs.

These programs are useful to move things that go into the "wrong" location,
as defined by you, for example, "Screenshots" that don't go into "DCIM".

That full filespec is also needed often when you're messing with Android
intents and activities - both of which are deeper into the code than most
people get. <https://i.postimg.cc/3wSkPHnV/intent06.jpg>

In summary, I agree that sometimes a format might be needed just for the
phone to recognize a card even as that has never happened in my phones.

However, I format _every_ card anyway, just to change the name to something
that I know what it will be years in advance of me ever needing that name.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to follow up politely with Carlos on the question.

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 by: Stan Brown - Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:58 UTC

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 19:24:50 +0000, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Carlos, (or anyone who is discussing formatting the sd card)...
> Are you _sure_ the phone even needs to format a brand new sd card?
>
> As I recall, the process is harder to open the damn shrink-wrapped plastic
> package (which is a thousand times larger than the sd card is) than it is
> to get it to work in the Android phone.

That was my experience on a Motorola e5+ with Android 8.0.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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 by: sms - Mon, 23 Jan 2023 14:17 UTC

On 1/23/2023 5:58 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 19:24:50 +0000, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Carlos, (or anyone who is discussing formatting the sd card)...
>> Are you _sure_ the phone even needs to format a brand new sd card?
>>
>> As I recall, the process is harder to open the damn shrink-wrapped plastic
>> package (which is a thousand times larger than the sd card is) than it is
>> to get it to work in the Android phone.
>
> That was my experience on a Motorola e5+ with Android 8.0.

If you're using the MicroSD card as extra storage for files (videos,
photos, music, videos, maps, etc., then no formatting is necessary.

If you're using it for extended memory for the Android device then it
needs to be formatted by the phone.

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 by: wolfgang kern - Mon, 23 Jan 2023 14:52 UTC

On 23.01.2023 15:17, sms wrote:

> If you're using the MicroSD card as extra storage for files (videos,
> photos, music, videos, maps, etc., then no formatting is necessary.

That has been my experience with SanDisk cards which work in Android no
matter how they're formatted at the factory. Android accepts them all.

What's the best format for Android is a better question to be asking.

> If you're using it for extended memory for the Android device then it
> needs to be formatted by the phone.

Nowadays, the internal storage is bigger & cheaper than it was long ago.
Have you ever known anyone to use the SanDisk cards for extended memory?

What would you guess the percentage of Android owners who extend memory?
I'm guessing from 0% to 1% (if even that much) but maybe you know better?

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 by: Paul - Mon, 23 Jan 2023 17:40 UTC

On 1/23/2023 9:52 AM, wolfgang kern wrote:
> On 23.01.2023 15:17, sms wrote:
>
>> If you're using the MicroSD card as extra storage for files (videos, photos, music, videos, maps, etc., then no formatting is necessary.
>
> That has been my experience with SanDisk cards which work in Android no
> matter how they're formatted at the factory. Android accepts them all.
>
> What's the best format for Android is a better question to be asking.
>
>> If you're using it for extended memory for the Android device then it needs to be formatted by the phone.
>
> Nowadays, the internal storage is bigger & cheaper than it was long ago.
> Have you ever known anyone to use the SanDisk cards for extended memory?
>
> What would you guess the percentage of Android owners who extend memory?
> I'm guessing from 0% to 1% (if even that much) but maybe you know better?

https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/ex7dvo/quick_reminder_that_sd_cards_with_wearleveling/

Particularly unbelievable, is some of the endurance numbers here. OMG!

https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/collateral/brochure/brochure-removable-flash-storage.pdf

size 4GB to 64GB
endurance Up to 3200 TBW

That's six times better than any flash storage device I own,
and at 8 times less capacity, or 48 times the endurance of
anything I own. Which means roughly, it has to be SLC versus TLC
(100000 versus 3000 writes or a factor of 33 roughly). Micron
does make SLC, but previously I could not find it being vended
to anyone. Only the spec sheet was visible.

So yes, based on (unbelievable) marketing information, there are
actually SD you could use to extend memory. The devices with
no endurance values listed, are also the ones unlikely to
have wear leveling. And I like in the PDF, how the devices with no endurance
specs, are all the ones with "variable warranty protection" <wibble!>

When I build a house, I always use Jello for the foundation...

Paul

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 by: The Real Bev - Tue, 24 Jan 2023 01:18 UTC

On 1/23/23 6:52 AM, wolfgang kern wrote:
> On 23.01.2023 15:17, sms wrote:
>
>> If you're using the MicroSD card as extra storage for files (videos,
>> photos, music, videos, maps, etc., then no formatting is necessary.
>
> That has been my experience with SanDisk cards which work in Android no
> matter how they're formatted at the factory. Android accepts them all.
>
> What's the best format for Android is a better question to be asking.
>
>> If you're using it for extended memory for the Android device then it
>> needs to be formatted by the phone.
>
> Nowadays, the internal storage is bigger & cheaper than it was long ago.
> Have you ever known anyone to use the SanDisk cards for extended memory?

Me, but I'm not sure it was a SanDisk. It was a mistake I won't make
again even if I have a slot for an SD card.

> What would you guess the percentage of Android owners who extend memory?
> I'm guessing from 0% to 1% (if even that much) but maybe you know better?

--
Cheers, Bev
"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

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 by: wolfgang kern - Tue, 24 Jan 2023 04:50 UTC

On 23.01.2023 20:18, The Real Bev wrote:

> Me, but I'm not sure it was a SanDisk. It was a mistake I won't make
> again even if I have a slot for an SD card.

Since you can't tell the quality of an sd card by the price, I never buy
anything other than the SanDisk cards and I usually get UHS-3 or better.

For a phone, Class 10 or UHS-1 is probably fine but I don't buy anything
other than UHS-3 or V30, although if I get a good price on V60 or V90, I'll
buy it also but at their prices, they're overkill for an Android phone.

My point on the extended memory is that nobody uses is anymore because
there isn't as much of a need to expand the internal memory anymore.

People use it mostly to store their photos, which it's perfect for.
Plug it in, and the camera app asks "want me to use it?" and you say yes.

If you want to use it in another phone or another PC you can easily plug it
in because it's portable (which most people don't seem to understand).

Thinking it's only for extended memory is the wrong way to look at it.
But I'm still curious what FORMAT most people think is best for Android.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 12:50 UTC

On 2023-01-24 05:50, wolfgang kern wrote:
>
> Thinking it's only for extended memory is the wrong way to look at it.
> But I'm still curious what FORMAT most people think is best for Android.

That's up for your phone to decide.

--
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 by: sms - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 15:29 UTC

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> But I'm still curious what FORMAT most people think is best for Android.

exFAT for use as storage for files.
Whatever the phone decides if it's for extended storage for Android.

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 by: wolfgang kern - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:02 UTC

On 25.01.2023 15:29, sms wrote:

>> But I'm still curious what FORMAT most people think is best for Android.
>
> exFAT for use as storage for files.
> Whatever the phone decides if it's for extended storage for Android.

Thanks. In Windows you can select "properties" but in Android 12, how can
you tell the type of the format of the sd card that is already inserted?

I went into Settings > Battery and device care > Storage & Memory
and in the Developer options is also a Memory section but that's RAM.

Google is wrong because a threedot menu for Android 12 Samsung is gone.
https://support.google.com/android/answer/12153449

Googling shows the threedot menu in Android 11 but not in Android 12.
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/248011/how-do-i-format-my-sd-card-on-my-android-12-samsung-phone

I tried a couple of sd card apps but they didn't tell me the format.
They were just gathering benchmark scores (check the settings).

Is there an app to check the sd card format ON the phone?

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 by: sms - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:26 UTC

On 1/25/2023 9:02 AM, wolfgang kern wrote:
> On 25.01.2023 15:29, sms wrote:
>
>>> But I'm still curious what FORMAT most people think is best for Android.
>>
>> exFAT for use as storage for files.
>> Whatever the phone decides if it's for extended storage for Android.
>
> Thanks. In Windows you can select "properties" but in Android 12, how can
> you tell the type of the format of the sd card that is already inserted?
>
> I went into Settings > Battery and device care > Storage & Memory and in
> the Developer options is also a Memory section but that's RAM.
>
> Google is wrong because a threedot menu for Android 12 Samsung is gone.
> https://support.google.com/android/answer/12153449
>
> Googling shows the threedot menu in Android 11 but not in Android 12.
> https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/248011/how-do-i-format-my-sd-card-on-my-android-12-samsung-phone
>
> I tried a couple of sd card apps but they didn't tell me the format.
> They were just gathering benchmark scores (check the settings).
>
> Is there an app to check the sd card format ON the phone?

If you put a new card into a computer and it can see the file system
then it's exFAT (or FAT for a 32GB or less card).

I have never seen an Android app that tells you the format of an SD card.

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 by: wolfgang kern - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 18:14 UTC

On 25.01.2023 18:26, sms wrote:

>> Is there an app to check the sd card format ON the phone?
>
> If you put a new card into a computer and it can see the file system
> then it's exFAT (or FAT for a 32GB or less card).
>
> I have never seen an Android app that tells you the format of an SD card.

Since Android 11 reports the format, why did they remove it in Android 12?

To be clear, mine say it's exFat when I put it in Windows but I am curious
why Samsung removed the ability to see the format in Android 12 settings.

I will look at some of these apps but I already tried the WD Sandisk one.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=format%20sd%20card&c=apps

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 19:17 UTC

On 2023-01-25 19:14, wolfgang kern wrote:
> On 25.01.2023 18:26, sms wrote:
>
>>> Is there an app to check the sd card format ON the phone?
>>
>> If you put a new card into a computer and it can see the file system
>> then it's exFAT (or FAT for a 32GB or less card).
>>
>> I have never seen an Android app that tells you the format of an SD card.
>
> Since Android 11 reports the format, why did they remove it in Android 12?
>
> To be clear, mine say it's exFat when I put it in Windows but I am curious
> why Samsung removed the ability to see the format in Android 12 settings.

Because a lot of (technical) information confuse normal people ;-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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