On 1/20/23 3:41 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 1/19/23 5:30 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>>> Better to get an app which doesn't use the Internet so it can't report back
>>>> to the app developer and which serves your purposes alone totally offline.
>>>
>>> I have no data plan. Having a GPS-only function is essential.
>>
>> Hi The Real Bev,
>>
>> I don't disagree with you that any app that is fundamentally a GPS app,
>> should be able to point you toward your car WITHOUT needing the Internet.
>>
>> All it should need is GPS, and, a compass bearing and distance to your car.
>> Luckily two free apps were suggested in this thread that do just that.
>>
>> This free app points to your car's location & tells you the distance to it.
>> *GPS Waypoint Finder* by keuwlsoft
>> free, ad free, gsf free, 3.9 star, 1.35K reviews, 100K+ Downloads
>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keuwl.gpswaypoints>
>> That app does not need the Internet and doesn't even ask for the Internet.
>
> Downloading even as we speak, but the play store seems a bit balky. I
> was hoping that there was one like this that would tap into a google
> off-line map and show the actual locatiou, but an arrow and distance is
> probably good enough.

I was initially disappointed. I tried several other compass/waypoint
apps and discovered that the phone's GPS function is fine, it's the apps
that seem to have problems. AND THEN one of the apps told me to start
moving so it could figure out where I should go. VOILÀ! The GPS
Waypoint Finder arrow stops working when you stop moving, but points in
the proper place once you start again. It insists on reading in meters
even though I told it to use REAL measurements, but that's life -- I can
just pretend they're yards instead of meters. Close enough for
government work.

I liked the GPS Waypoint Finder best. One had a very nice compass
(Compass GM), but you had to feed waypoints in by hand. No. I also
installed Find My Car by Disciple Skies, which has nice big idiot-proof
buttons. The 'take a picture' function didn't seem to work properly,
but perhaps that was user error. Easily dealt with in any case. Works
fine without wifi, but wifi will give you a map too.

>> Since most people have a Google Account on their phone, _they_ can test for
>> the team if offline Google Maps still do the find-my-car feature or not.

Nope. I give up.

> I hunted, with no success. Android 11, not sure which Maps version. I
> have a lot of apps, and Maps hadn't updated yet. The appearance was not
> at all similar to the instructions given in a previous post.

OSMAnd works fine, of course.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity
is not thus handicapped."
-- Elbert Hubbard, American author

On 1/25/2023 3:12 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 1/25/2023 9:39 AM, sms wrote:
>
>> I have also used the emergency button on the remote to locate my car
>
> In both my cars the key fob's emergency button makes the car start
> continuously honking.

Until you press the unlock button a second or two later.

On 1/25/2023 6:23 PM, sms wrote:
> On 1/25/2023 3:12 PM, AJL wrote:
>> On 1/25/2023 9:39 AM, sms wrote:

>>> I have also used the emergency button on the remote to locate my car

>> In both my cars the key fob's emergency button makes the car start
>> continuously honking.

> Until you press the unlock button a second or two later.

Ah. You're one of those two button 3 honk pushers then. I've HEARD about
your type (pun intended)...

The Real Bev wrote:

> I was initially disappointed.

See below. I think I know the problem with the meters, and what I love
about discussing things with you is we can move forward to learn together.

We don't have to waste time arguing defending Google like with iKooks.
We both probably hate Google taking away our privacy equally so, right?

> I tried several other compass/waypoint
> apps and discovered that the phone's GPS function is fine, it's the apps
> that seem to have problems.

Agree. It's more likely an app sucks than your phone sensors suck.
If you want, you can _calibrate_ the compass (figure-8 stuff).

I have nice "device checkers" that can tell me how the sensors are doing.

*DevCheck* Device & System Info, by flar2
Free, adfree, gsf?, 4.5 star, 15.9K reviews, 1M+ Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=flar2.devcheck>

*Device Info HW* by Andrey Efremov
Free, adfree, gsf?, 4.7 star, 10.4K reviews, 5M+ Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.andr7e.deviceinfohw>

As always, I helpfully provide the full URL to save others time and effort.

> AND THEN one of the apps told me to start
> moving so it could figure out where I should go. VOILA!

When you mentioned that the compass wasn't working, since I always have a
good heart in striving to help others, I looked up how we can tell.

Funnily enough, most of the howto articles suggest checking your known
current location on Google Maps (blue dot accuracy is what it is).

*How to Calibrate the Compass for Android*
<https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-calibrate-compass-for-android-4771956>

*How to Calibrate Android Compass?*
<https://droidrant.com/how-to-calibrate-android-compass/>

*Improve the GPS Location Accuracy on Android Devices*
<https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-improve-gps-location-accuracy-android/>

Note that last article contains two useful types of information:
a. It contains information about location accuracy above that of GPS
b. And it contains information about how to clear stale satellite data

What I love about going to an effort to help people is I learn more from
doing so in every thread (even the threads with those ignorant iKooks).

> The GPS
> Waypoint Finder arrow stops working when you stop moving, but points in
> the proper place once you start again. ]

Hmmm... I wonder if that's related to the fact that the app tries to figure
out the angle of the phone and if the phone isn't moving, it can't figure
out the angle perhaps? Dunno. Don't remember seeing that. Need to check.
<https://i.postimg.cc/yd90NgQD/gpswaypointfinder01.jpg> Bearing & distance

BTW, I wonder what happens if you move just your arm around a bit, without
moving from the spot you're standing in. I'd wager that might be the issue.

I don't remember seeing _that_ issue - but I definitely get the meters!
<https://i.postimg.cc/6qXn4WgY/gpswaypointfinder03.jpg> Feet versus meters

> It insists on reading in meters
> even though I told it to use REAL measurements, but that's life -- I can
> just pretend they're yards instead of meters. Close enough for
> government work.

Funny thing you mentioned that. I saw the _same_ problem when I updated to
the latest release of GPS Waypoint Finder. I figured it must have been me.

When I deleted the latest release and re-loaded the version 1.0 on my
archives (my Google Play Store client saves all the APKs ever installed),
then the feet/miles came back!

So it's not just you and I'm glad you mentioned it 'cuz I wasn't sure if it
was just me - but if we both have the same problem - then it's a bug.

The time you'll have to convert is if your car is parked "miles" away, as
that will be in kilometers, but in that case, remember 5 miles is 8 km. :)

> I liked the GPS Waypoint Finder best.

I'm glad you like it best as I do too, which is an indication that great
minds think alike in so much as it's a KISS app that doesn't ask for much.

All it wants is access to your location, which you can instantly save by
pressing the "FROM GPS" button as you can see below in my screenshot.
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjDLPXyF/gpswaypointfinder02.jpg> From GPS right now

Another "bug?" I saw with the latest version is that the FROM GPS button
was _missing_ (as I recall). Is that FROM GPS button missing for you?

> One had a very nice compass
> (Compass GM), but you had to feed waypoints in by hand.

Again, I fully agree with your sentiments you should never have to enter
any GPS coordinates by hand as that's just fraught with difficulty given
you have to _get_ them on one screen and then type them into another.

No way is any app "useful" if you have to enter coordinates in manually.

I've run into that problem when I was testing the apps where I agree with
you there should be a 'FROM GPS' button you just click to set the location.

At the time, the "trick" I used when I was testing apps was to use any app
that obtained the GPS and then I copied that location to the clipboard.

But that's just crazy I agree.
Any app that can't get the coordinates get an immediate strikeout.

> No. I also
> installed Find My Car by Disciple Skies, which has nice big idiot-proof
> buttons. The 'take a picture' function didn't seem to work properly,
> but perhaps that was user error. Easily dealt with in any case. Works
> fine without wifi, but wifi will give you a map too.

It would be nice to have a URL to that app, but let me look it up for the
team so the _next_ person reading this can just click on that link to see.
*Find My Car* - GPS Navigation by Disciple Skies Software
Free, contains ads, requires gsf, 4.3 star, 5.65K reviews, 1M+ Downloads

When I tested it, it removed all the location privacy settings I had set,
which is a flaw found in _all_ the apps which link in the GSF spyware.

Plus it has ads, and I never use an app with ads if an alternative exists.

>>> Since most people have a Google Account on their phone, _they_ can test for
>>> the team if offline Google Maps still do the find-my-car feature or not.
>
> Nope. I give up.

Most people think they need to be logged into a Google Account to use the
Android phone, but the reality is very few things need that account.

In my humblest of opinions, most people are incredibly stupid, in that they
don't realize how much they're giving up when they add an Android account.

Worse than most people being incredibly ignorant is that most people are
incredibly rude, since a Google Account spies on everyone around them.

I'm not rude to everyone around me; and I'm not ignorant of what the
account does, so as a common courtesy to the people around me, I don't ever
use a Google app to log into a Google Account when I'm using the phone.

Note you can log into a Google Account using a _non_ Google app (such as
you can when checking your Google email); just don't use a Google app.

One thing though, that I'm giving up by _NOT_ having an account on Android
is that I can't download Google Maps offline any more (it used to work).

But luckily I can get offline maps in a variety of apps (e.g., OSMAnd~).
And it's trivial to get traffic & addresses without logging into Google.

>> I hunted, with no success. Android 11, not sure which Maps version. I
>> have a lot of apps, and Maps hadn't updated yet. The appearance was not
>> at all similar to the instructions given in a previous post.
>
> OSMAnd works fine, of course.

Yes. The parked car finder in OSMAnd~ works well without any need for the
Internet and it automatically inputs your current GPS location for you.

It even has a parking-meter timer and more importantly, it gives pedestrian
directions, as it strives to send you along pedestrian pathways.

Notice this 'pedestrian routing' is better than what the GPS Waypoint
Finder will provide - but - in a parking lot - pedestrian pathways aren't
usually an issue so it's nice - but it's not normally needed for parking.

Bear in mind there are three versions of OSMAnd
a. OSMANd (on the Google Play Store repository)
b. OSMAnd+ (on the Google Play Store repository)
c. OSMAnd~ (on the F-Droid & GitHub FOSS repositories)

BTW, I'm not sure what the "free" OSMAnd does that is on the Google Play
Store repository but their payware OSMAnd+ is the _exact_ same app as the
freeware OSMAnd~ that is on F-Droid, so that's the one I suggest to use.

As always, it's a pleasure conversing with you as I learn from you, and, of
course, my goal, always, is to pour my heart out so others learn from me.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to expound on the technical points of TheRealBev.

Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> The point is that, if you want to believe ignorant people like Carlos
>> is, the you should ask them the answer to these rather simple questions
>> below.
>
> I'm flattered. Instead of reasoning, you resort to insults, thus you
> have lost the discussion.

Jesus Christ, Carlos.

*Do you realize, Carlos, that your claim is _impossible_ to be correct?*

For your claim to be correct, they'd have to build a separate Android.
Just for you.

Don't hate me just because _you_ own the belief system of an idiot.

"sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
<news:tqrlfb$o0bo$2@dont-email.me>...

>>> Does a typically configured Android in Europe NOT enable "Wi-Fi
>>> scanning"?
>> I'm flattered. Instead of reasoning, you resort to insults, thus you
>> have lost the discussion.
>
> There is nothing more flattering than being insulted by our favorite troll!

Actually you are the troll if it turns out he's right and you're wrong.

If you're not a troll, then you can answer this simple question correctly.

Why do you and Carlos claim the Android in Europe is a different version?
--
Regards
wasbit

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

Your script is broken again. You've nymshifted in the middle of a thread.

On 2023-01-28 04:41, wasbit wrote:
> "sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
> <news:tqrlfb$o0bo$2@dont-email.me>...
>
>>>> Does a typically configured Android in Europe NOT enable "Wi-Fi
>>>> scanning"?
>>> I'm flattered. Instead of reasoning, you resort to insults, thus you
>>> have lost the discussion.
>>
>> There is nothing more flattering than being insulted by our favorite
>> troll!
>
> Actually you are the troll if it turns out he's right and you're wrong.
> If you're not a troll, then you can answer this simple question correctly.
>
> Why do you and Carlos claim the Android in Europe is a different version?

I did not say it is a different version.

I do not know if there is a different version, what I know is that
Android has been fined in the EU (not Europe) several times for issues
related to privacy and personal data handling, and they had to correct
their practices, either in the EU only or globally. They had to move
service to servers based in the EU for this.

My comment was addressed to this paragraph:

]>> Please forgive me for thinking that's overly paranoid. I've never
sent you email. You're not in my contact list. Neither are your kids.
Does google know we've posted in usenet groups. Yup. Does it matter?
Nope. The FBI knows all about me up to 1995, and nothing has changed
since then. Is that frightening? Nope. Are they interested in
anything about me since then? Nope, and if they are it's their mistake.
]>>
]>> What actual harm do you envision?
]>
]> None.
]>
]> We, in Europe, are not concerned, as our data protection agencies
have not complained. And they are quite sensitive to Google's antics.

What I said is that the EU data protection agencies find no issue with
this, then there simply there is no issue, and it is simply some
paranoia of some people.

You are free to write to said data protection agencies if you are
worried. I am not.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 1/28/2023 5:03 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-01-28 04:41, wasbit wrote:
>> "sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
>> <news:tqrlfb$o0bo$2@dont-email.me>...
>>
>>>>> Does a typically configured Android in Europe NOT enable "Wi-Fi
>>>>> scanning"?
>>>> I'm flattered. Instead of reasoning, you resort to insults, thus you
>>>> have lost the discussion.
>>>
>>> There is nothing more flattering than being insulted by our favorite
>>> troll!
>>
>> Actually you are the troll if it turns out he's right and you're wrong.
>> If you're not a troll, then you can answer this simple question
>> correctly.
>>
>> Why do you and Carlos claim the Android in Europe is a different version?
>
> I did not say it is a different version.

Hmm, I don't see "wasbit's" posts, but I'm pretty sure I never said any
such thing!

On 2023-01-28 14:56, sms wrote:
> On 1/28/2023 5:03 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-01-28 04:41, wasbit wrote:
>>> "sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
>>> <news:tqrlfb$o0bo$2@dont-email.me>...
>>>
>>>>>> Does a typically configured Android in Europe NOT enable "Wi-Fi
>>>>>> scanning"?
>>>>> I'm flattered. Instead of reasoning, you resort to insults, thus
>>>>> you have lost the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> There is nothing more flattering than being insulted by our favorite
>>>> troll!
>>>
>>> Actually you are the troll if it turns out he's right and you're wrong.
>>> If you're not a troll, then you can answer this simple question
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> Why do you and Carlos claim the Android in Europe is a different
>>> version?
>>
>> I did not say it is a different version.
>
> Hmm, I don't see "wasbit's" posts, but I'm pretty sure I never said any
> such thing!

Right.

I only see 6 posts by him since September 2018.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>>> The point is that, if you want to believe ignorant people like Carlos
>>> is, the you should ask them the answer to these rather simple questions
>>> below.
>>
>> I'm flattered. Instead of reasoning, you resort to insults, thus you
>> have lost the discussion.
>
> Jesus Christ, Carlos.
>
> *Do you realize, Carlos, that your claim is _impossible_ to be correct?*

As usual your categorical assertion is wrong

> For your claim to be correct, they'd have to build a separate Android.
> Just for you.

They could like MS did with Windows in the late 90s to comply with an EU
ruling. Or they could build in flexibility so that the system is compliant
to local laws. Google, MS, Amazon, etc have done the later by e.g. hosting
data pertaining to EU citizens in EU data centres. They've made other
changes too but you're not interested in facts.

Not only is not impossible it's actually easy.

> Don't hate me just because _you_ own the belief system of an idiot.

Projecting again as per usual.

""Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>" wrote in message
<news:41jfajx09r.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>...

>> Why do you and Carlos claim the Android in Europe is a different version?
>
> I did not say it is a different version.

Then it does what he says it does because what it does is part of Android.

> I do not know if there is a different version, what I know is that
> Android has been fined in the EU (not Europe) several times for issues
> related to privacy and personal data handling, and they had to correct
> their practices, either in the EU only or globally. They had to move
> service to servers based in the EU for this.

You live in a state of denial that Android doesn't do what it does.

> What I said is that the EU data protection agencies find no issue with
> this, then there simply there is no issue, and it is simply some
> paranoia of some people.

Android does what he said it does. You didn't even check for yourself?

> You are free to write to said data protection agencies if you are
> worried. I am not.

I'm usually on the Windows ng but I came here to check something out.
When I read your messages, I wanted you to know it's you who is the troll.

You didn't even check. You just called everyone else wrong.
Just for explaining to you what Android does.

I knew what Android does. It's easy to check. And you didn't bother.

Therefore what "worries" me is that you don't realize YOU are the troll.
I won't be commenting further as I came here to find some information.
--
Regards
wasbit

On 1/28/2023 6:46 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<snip>

> Right.
>
> I only see 6 posts by him since September 2018.

I filter out the trolls so I don't see his posts. He could be another
nymshifted Arlen/Andy/Dean/Danny/etc.

On 1/28/23 8:21 AM, sms wrote:
> On 1/28/2023 6:46 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Right.
>>
>> I only see 6 posts by him since September 2018.
>
> I filter out the trolls so I don't see his posts. He could be another
> nymshifted Arlen/Andy/Dean/Danny/etc.

Worrying about trolls is silly. If we just ignored trollish behavior the
world would go around a great deal faster.

--
Cheers, Bev
'Politics' comes from an ancient Greek word meaning
'many blood-sucking leeches.' -- Mark Russell

On 1/28/2023 5:42 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 1/28/23 8:21 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 1/28/2023 6:46 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>> I only see 6 posts by him since September 2018.
>>
>> I filter out the trolls so I don't see his posts. He could be another
>> nymshifted Arlen/Andy/Dean/Danny/etc.
>
> Worrying about trolls is silly. If we just ignored trollish behavior the
> world would go around a great deal faster.

It's easier to ignore them when your Usenet feed is not full of their
strange behavior.

On 1/28/23 5:55 PM, sms wrote:
> On 1/28/2023 5:42 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 1/28/23 8:21 AM, sms wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2023 6:46 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Right.
>>>>
>>>> I only see 6 posts by him since September 2018.
>>>
>>> I filter out the trolls so I don't see his posts. He could be another
>>> nymshifted Arlen/Andy/Dean/Danny/etc.
>>
>> Worrying about trolls is silly. If we just ignored trollish behavior the
>> world would go around a great deal faster.
>
> It's easier to ignore them when your Usenet feed is not full of their
> strange behavior.

The rec.skiing.alpine has been like that since roughly 2000. It killed
the group. Better to keep the group and ignore the crap.

Long ago I used tin. I would select only the posts I wanted to see (or
maybe those I didn't, it's been nearly 30 years) and did something. The
crap disappeared. I suppose I could do the same by marking posts 'read'
and then reloading, but that's too much trouble. Easier to just ignore
things.

I learned to ignore ads. I don't even see them, much less read them.
My husband can do voluntary deafness, which I can't.

--
Cheers, Bev
Ride faster, I hear banjo music!

On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:55:44 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 1/28/2023 5:42 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 1/28/23 8:21 AM, sms wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2023 6:46 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Right.
>>>>
>>>> I only see 6 posts by him since September 2018.
>>>
>>> I filter out the trolls so I don't see his posts. He could be another
>>> nymshifted Arlen/Andy/Dean/Danny/etc.
>>
>> Worrying about trolls is silly. If we just ignored trollish behavior the
>> world would go around a great deal faster.
>
>It's easier to ignore them when your Usenet feed is not full of their
>strange behavior.

That's what killfiling is for.

On 1/29/23 6:21 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:55:44 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 1/28/2023 5:42 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 1/28/23 8:21 AM, sms wrote:
>>>> On 1/28/2023 6:46 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Right.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only see 6 posts by him since September 2018.
>>>>
>>>> I filter out the trolls so I don't see his posts. He could be another
>>>> nymshifted Arlen/Andy/Dean/Danny/etc.
>>>
>>> Worrying about trolls is silly. If we just ignored trollish behavior the
>>> world would go around a great deal faster.
>>
>>It's easier to ignore them when your Usenet feed is not full of their
>>strange behavior.
>
> That's what killfiling is for.

I wonder about the location of the line between those who understand
that statement and those who do not.

--
Cheers, Bev
Is the Pope Catholic? Do bears shit in the woods?
Did Rose Kennedy have a black dress?

On Sun, 29 Jan 2023 11:37:38 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 1/29/23 6:21 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:55:44 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1/28/2023 5:42 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 1/28/23 8:21 AM, sms wrote:
>>>>> On 1/28/2023 6:46 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only see 6 posts by him since September 2018.
>>>>>
>>>>> I filter out the trolls so I don't see his posts. He could be another
>>>>> nymshifted Arlen/Andy/Dean/Danny/etc.
>>>>
>>>> Worrying about trolls is silly. If we just ignored trollish behavior the
>>>> world would go around a great deal faster.
>>>
>>>It's easier to ignore them when your Usenet feed is not full of their
>>>strange behavior.
>>
>> That's what killfiling is for.
>
>I wonder about the location of the line between those who understand
>that statement and those who do not.

Anybody who doesn't understand is welcome to ask here, specifying what
newsreader he uses. I or someone else here can help.

On 1/30/2023 7:31 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

> Anybody who doesn't understand is welcome to ask here, specifying what
> newsreader he uses. I or someone else here can help.

Can you guys go get your own private room if you don't have anything to add
about apps and means for finding your parked car in a large parking lot?

This isn't the first thread that you keep saying the same old things which
have an interest to only you in a thread about parking lot car finder apps.

This isn't even the first newsgroup that you've done the same killfile
rants. It would be better for all of us if you got your own private room.

To get this thread back on topic, what car parking app do you use Ken?