In article <tr8vip$3cemb$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> The nice thing is that there are some very useful apps for Android that
> are not available on iOS

and there are some very useful apps for ios that are not available on
android.

no platform does everything in every situation.

> because Apple doesn't allow them

false. most often it's that they're not needed since the functionality
is already built into the os or nobody has bothered writing it because
there's insufficient demand for it to be worth their time.

> and unlike
> Android there's no easy way to side-load iOS apps.

actually there is, and more than one way too.

RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:

> Plus all of them will have archives going back to their original versions.
> None of these Android app advantages exist with the Apple iPhone.

Don't forget if the Android app is a free app, then it loads on any phone.
That's any phone anywhere, not just the original phone it was installed on.

Does iOS allow that?

On 30-01-2023 18:33 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> no platform does everything in every situation.

It's always iOS that doesn't do at all what Android does.
Never the other way around.

So it's always iOS you mean when you very often have to make an excuse for
iOS not being able to do something by saying "no platform does everything."

Put an iPhone & an Android on the Internet and then tell us all what the
iPhone apps can do that the many times more Android apps Android can't.

In article <tr9466$va3o$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Sail Fisherman
<sailfisherman@sailfisherman.com> wrote:

>
>
> It's always iOS that doesn't do at all what Android does.

not always.

"nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>" wrote in message
<news:300120231333055467%nospam@nospam.invalid>...

>> Whether or not Android is a better choice is dependent upon how much other
>> Apple hardware you own since the walled garden is Apple's only advantage.
>
> there is no walled garden, nor is other apple hardware needed.

You didn't understand what I said, which is there is no advantage to the
iPhone *unless* you have other Apple devices inside their walled garden.

> the vast majority of iphone owners use windows.

Again, you don't understand how much *better* the Windows USB integration
is with Android than with iOS. You probably don't even own Android phones.

>> You can buy an Android phone from any price range but the Apple price range
>> is much more limited so on average, Android will always be less expensive.
>
> not for the same specs, it won't.

You don't understand that Android hardware is better than iPhone hardware
when you want to have the sd card and aux jack as just two examples.

> similar spec phones cost about the same.

You don't understand that "similar" hardware iPhone doesn't exist when you
compare those with sd card and aux port and a host of other hardwares.

>
> lesser spec phones will cost less. no surprise there.

What you do not understand is the iPhone *NOT* having hardware that many
Android phones have is already a "lesser spec" in terms of hardware.

> there are very low spec android phones, but they're greatly limited in
> what they can do. apple has deliberately chosen to not bother with that
> tier.

All iPhones are "lesser spec" than Android phones with decent hardware.

>> The lack of software selection on the iPhone is one of its biggest
>> drawbacks
>
> false. there is no lack of selection of apps.

If you don't understand the lack of selection of iOS apps is large compared
to Android app selection, then you don't know what you're talking about.
>> Even if the Google Play Store didn't have something like ten times the app
>> selection of the Apple App Store,
>
> false.
>
> <https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-stores/>
> € Apple's App Store has 3.59 million apps and 984,000 games
> ...
> € Google Play's App Store has 2.33 million apps and 442,000 games

What you don't understand is that there are many more app stores for
Android than just the one Google Play Store, which again means you don't
understand what you're talking about in terms of app selection differences.

> there's also quality versus quantity.

What you don't understand is that *NOT* having the choice of an app for iOS
which itself has many choices on Android is not an indication of quality.

> what matters is which platform has the *best* apps for a user's needs.

You don't understand that Android has all the app features that iOS has
but that iOS does *NOT* have anywhere near the app features Android has.
>> I don't know offhand
>
> yep, you don't.

No. It's you who not only doesn't understand Android, but iOS also.

>> but your app selection on Android is maybe ten to a
>> hundred times greater than it is on iOS, both in numbers & types.
>
> rubbish.

No. Rubbish on your part since you do *NOT* understand that any web site
can publish an Android app which any Android owner can install right now.

Not only that, but there are *MANY* reputable Android app stores.
And not only that, there are *MANY* reputable Android open source sites.

Almost every Android app works on almost any Android phone if you extract
and copy it to that phone, and almost every Android app has all its
versions archived somewhere in the very many Android archives on the net.

What you don't understand is none of that is available to all iOS users.
>> The only reason for iOS is if you already have all Apple equipment, as
>> iPhones do not play nice (on purpose) with Windows, Linux or Android.
>
> very much false.

Plug an iPhone into native Windows.
Plug an Android into native Windows.
Watch what happens.

> again, the majority of iphone users are windows users.

That you don't understand the difference is how I know you have never used
an Android phone with Windows nor have you ever used iOS with Windows.

If you had, you would know the differences that you don't understand now.
>> It's worse than that. Much worse. You have to learn that the iPhone is
>> missing almost everything basic on Android that you took for granted.
>
> false.

It's clear you do not understand what apps are available for Android.

> in fact, it's the opposite. many things are easier on ios, often
> without the need of additional apps. a few esoteric things are easier
> on android.

It's clear you have never used an Android phone then.
> no platform does everything in every situation. choose the best tool
> for the job.

Someone else said it better than I could, which is that you use that same
excuse a lot but always only when you're excusing iOS not doing something.
--
Regards
wasbit

On 1/30/2023 10:17 AM, wasbit wrote:

<snip>

> It's not fair you compare $29.99 Android phone hardware to $1,200 flagships
> even as it probably can run most of the software that those flagships can.

I never do that.

On 2023-01-30 09:46, Bill W wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2023, Alan Browne wrote (in article
> <news:bJHBL.592657$9sn9.370584@fx17.iad>):
>
>> Discernment: the article of some otherwise unheard of website aspiring
>> to be "news" ___ claims ___ that Apple is lying.
>
> It's understandable that you would not believe an article that puts Apple
> in a bad light. It probably doesn't matter to you what any article says if
> it contradicts in any way what Apple says. That's perfectly understandable.
>
> I was just saying it's the latest article I could find. That's all.

1. Source: don't know them at all. Hit piece?

2. Obligations of public companies to issue truthful statements.

(ie: find better sources lest ye be accused of picking cherries).

>
>> Proof is another thing.
>
> There were other articles that were older which discussed similar issues.
>
> Here's just one but it's from 2020 which is why I didn't provide it prior.
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-17/maybe-apple-isn-t-as-green-as-it-claims

Shading. Apple set the terms and conditions - they will not please
everyone.

>> Sort of difficult to be a $2.3T public company
>> and not tell the truth about operations.
>
> You can't be blamed for believing Apple is always without fault.

I never said that - I pick on Apple for various things that I don't like
about them or their products.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

On 1/30/2023 10:29 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:

<snip>

> Even when Google doesn't want any given very competitive app on its app
> store, the developers can publish the app anywhere (often open sourced).

One such app,
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ca.greenmachines.way.whereareyou>
was interesting. They can't distribute it on the Play Store anymore but
they are allowed to have a link that tells users where to download it from.

It's a very useful app to do a LoJack-like vehicle tracker (actually
better than a LoJack). I think that they removed it because they were
concerned about the app being surreptitiously installed on someone
else's phone though it's actually less prone to abuse than someone
surreptitiously setting up location sharing via Google Maps because at
least you'll hear a notification when an SMS is received and know that
something is going on. A Tile or an AirTag, with the speaker disabled,
is also more prone to abuse than an SMS Locator App.

I created a short Google Doc "Poor Man’s LoJack" at
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_CGzUPKd38biG__fOBZwh4UmCgznL3lAS-3O8yJPmzY>

On 1/30/2023 11:40 AM, wasbit wrote:

<snip>

> You didn't understand what I said, which is there is no advantage to the
> iPhone *unless* you have other Apple devices inside their walled garden.

My niece switched to an iPhone because all the other parents of children
in her child's school sport's team used iPhones with iMessage. It was a
hassle to use SMS when everyone else was using iMessage. It's not just
your own Apple devices, it's other people's Apple devices as well.

I have found iMessage useful when I'm someplace with Wi-Fi but no
cellular connection, such as on an airplane. To do SMS over Wi-Fi is
possible with something like Google Voice, but it's more work.

This is a pretty U.S. centric issue since in most other countries an app
like WhatsApp or WeChat (China), or Line (Japan, Taiwan and Thailand)
which is platform independent. At the time she had no other devices
inside the walled garden. She may have an iPad now, but she has no Apple
Watch and she can't use a Macbook anymore since she has Windows-only
applications that she has to use for work.

I've got both Android and iOS devices. I really like my Apple Watch
because it connects to the fitness equipment at the gym I go to, but
Android watches are not supported. But I also sometimes bring my Android
device because they have various TV monitors that broadcast the audio
over LPFM radio, and my old Samsung Note 9 has an FM radio. Sadly, newer
Android phones without headphone jacks can't receive FM broadcasts.
Auracast Broadcast Audio (multipoint Bluetooth) is coming soon which
will not require an FM receiver
<https://www.androidpolice.com/bluetooth-auracast-stream-to-unlimited-number-of-headphones/>.

In article <tr96er$3dov0$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit
<wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:

> You didn't understand what I said, which is there is no advantage to the
> iPhone *unless* you have other Apple devices inside their walled garden.

that is simply false.

again, the majority of iphone users have windows pcs.

clearly, they see advantages in using an iphone versus android.

> > the vast majority of iphone owners use windows.
>
> Again, you don't understand how much *better* the Windows USB integration
> is with Android than with iOS. You probably don't even own Android phones.

both false.

> >> You can buy an Android phone from any price range but the Apple price range
> >> is much more limited so on average, Android will always be less expensive.
> >
> > not for the same specs, it won't.
>
> You don't understand that Android hardware is better than iPhone hardware
> when you want to have the sd card and aux jack as just two examples.

those don't make it better, plus most people don't care about either of
them since they overwhelmingly buy android phones that lack either or
both, and wired headphones can be connected to the lightning/usb port,
so the lack of an analog jack is a non-issue.

you're also ignoring all of the hardware *and* software features that
ios devices have that android does not, including lidar, uwb, promotion
display, hover, satellite sos, digital id, universal control and and
icloud wifi calling, just to name a few.

> > similar spec phones cost about the same.
>
> You don't understand that "similar" hardware iPhone doesn't exist when you
> compare those with sd card and aux port and a host of other hardwares.

false.

> > there are very low spec android phones, but they're greatly limited in
> > what they can do. apple has deliberately chosen to not bother with that
> > tier.
>
> All iPhones are "lesser spec" than Android phones with decent hardware.

very much false.

> >> The lack of software selection on the iPhone is one of its biggest
> >> drawbacks
> >
> > false. there is no lack of selection of apps.
>
> If you don't understand the lack of selection of iOS apps is large compared
> to Android app selection,

false.

what matters is if the apps someone needs exist, not the maximum number.

it doesn't matter if there are 80 gazillion apps on one platform if the
*only* solution for a given task is available on a different platform.

> then you don't know what you're talking about.

that would be you.

>
> >> Even if the Google Play Store didn't have something like ten times the app
> >> selection of the Apple App Store,
> >
> > false.
> >
> > <https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-stores/>
> > € Apple's App Store has 3.59 million apps and 984,000 games
> > ...
> > € Google Play's App Store has 2.33 million apps and 442,000 games
>
> What you don't understand is that there are many more app stores for
> Android than just the one Google Play Store, which again means you don't
> understand what you're talking about in terms of app selection differences.

there may be other android app stores, however, they don't have 'ten
times' more apps than what's available on ios (or your absurd claim of
a hundred times more).

> > there's also quality versus quantity.
>
> What you don't understand is that *NOT* having the choice of an app for iOS
> which itself has many choices on Android is not an indication of quality.

choices go both ways.

some apps are available on ios that are not available on android and
vice versa.

no platform does everything.

>
> > what matters is which platform has the *best* apps for a user's needs.
>
> You don't understand that Android has all the app features that iOS has
> but that iOS does *NOT* have anywhere near the app features Android has.

both very much false.

> >> but your app selection on Android is maybe ten to a
> >> hundred times greater than it is on iOS, both in numbers & types.
> >
> > rubbish.
>
> No. Rubbish on your part since you do *NOT* understand that any web site
> can publish an Android app which any Android owner can install right now.

same for ios.

there are many ios apps on various websites, including github, which
also includes source code for those inclined to help work on it, or
just modify it for their own needs. those not so inclined (or lack the
skill, i.e., you), can download the app.

> >> The only reason for iOS is if you already have all Apple equipment, as
> >> iPhones do not play nice (on purpose) with Windows, Linux or Android.
> >
> > very much false.
>
> Plug an iPhone into native Windows.
> Plug an Android into native Windows.
> Watch what happens.

what will happen is both will work just fine.

> > again, the majority of iphone users are windows users.
>
> That you don't understand the difference is how I know you have never used
> an Android phone with Windows nor have you ever used iOS with Windows.

false. i use and have used all platforms to varying degrees.

>
> It's clear you do not understand what apps are available for Android.

it's clear you do not understand what apps are available for ios.

> > in fact, it's the opposite. many things are easier on ios, often
> > without the need of additional apps. a few esoteric things are easier
> > on android.
>
> It's clear you have never used an Android phone then.

i have several android phones, so false on that too.

> > no platform does everything in every situation. choose the best tool
> > for the job.
>
> Someone else said it better than I could,

that narrows it down to the population of the planet minus one.

> which is that you use that same
> excuse a lot but always only when you're excusing iOS not doing something.

nope.

every platform has its strengths and weaknesses. nothing is perfect,
including android.

anyone who claims that one platform can do everything is either
ignorant, a liar, a troll or all of the above.

it's clear which of those options applies to you, arlen.

In article <tr99br$3e5u1$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> It's a very useful app to do a LoJack-like vehicle tracker (actually
> better than a LoJack).

not really, since it requires a second phone, whose battery won't last
very long, nor will it work that well even with auxiliary power.

> I think that they removed it because they were
> concerned about the app being surreptitiously installed on someone
> else's phone though it's actually less prone to abuse than someone
> surreptitiously setting up location sharing via Google Maps because at
> least you'll hear a notification when an SMS is received and know that
> something is going on. A Tile or an AirTag, with the speaker disabled,
> is also more prone to abuse than an SMS Locator App.

very few people disable the speaker in an airtag or tile, which would
be a deliberate act solely for nefarious purposes.

in other words, it's a bogus comparison.

the reality is that an airtag is a *much* and far cheaper solution than
a lojack app, which requires *two* phones.

google knows this, which is why they're working on their own version of
airtags.

On 2023-01-30 12:06, wasbit wrote:

> The only reason to choose iOS, as far as I can tell, is if you already are
> an Apple-only household because iOS plays nice only in the walled garden.

There is no walled garden. That term applies to truly isolated products.
2 Apple does protect the eco system better. More stringent terms for
providing apps.

Of course where Apple shines (blindingly bright) is cross device
integration using iCloud as the connective tissue. So a note I'm
writing on my Mac is on my Phone almost in real time. Indeed I can stop
writing on the Mac and carry on on the phone (or v-v). The connectivity
improves with each cycle

So (to the degree I take it) there is no critical information on any of
my main devices that is not on the other devices. (Notes and Reminders
can also be shared of course).

And if I need to step out of paradise there are plenty of work group
apps to pull it altogether available from the app store that bridge most
OS's out there. Some very good and everything down.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

"sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
<news:tr9a7e$3e5u1$3@dont-email.me>...

>> You didn't understand what I said, which is there is no advantage to the
>> iPhone *unless* you have other Apple devices inside their walled garden.
>
> My niece switched to an iPhone because all the other parents of children
> in her child's school sport's team used iPhones with iMessage. It was a
> hassle to use SMS when everyone else was using iMessage. It's not just
> your own Apple devices, it's other people's Apple devices as well.

I would disagree that it's a "hassle" and you're going to have a hard sell
to convince me that I don't SMS/MMS with iPhone & Android users alike.

But it's been well publicized that kids care what the other kids are using.
> I have found iMessage useful when I'm someplace with Wi-Fi but no
> cellular connection, such as on an airplane. To do SMS over Wi-Fi is
> possible with something like Google Voice, but it's more work.

I think your information is out of date because Android SMS over Wi-Fi is
no different than Android SMS over a data connection if it's set up right.
https://support.google.com/fi/answer/6205096

> This is a pretty U.S. centric issue since in most other countries an app
> like WhatsApp or WeChat (China), or Line (Japan, Taiwan and Thailand)
> which is platform independent. At the time she had no other devices
> inside the walled garden. She may have an iPad now, but she has no Apple
> Watch and she can't use a Macbook anymore since she has Windows-only
> applications that she has to use for work.

There is no doubt that iMessage works great only inside the walled garden.
Inside the walled garden is the only place iOS does better than Android.

> I've got both Android and iOS devices. I really like my Apple Watch
> because it connects to the fitness equipment at the gym I go to, but
> Android watches are not supported.

The Apple watch is an example of Apple devices working great only when
they're inside the walled garden, which is something I would never dispute.

> But I also sometimes bring my Android
> device because they have various TV monitors that broadcast the audio
> over LPFM radio, and my old Samsung Note 9 has an FM radio.

The FM radio is another case where people who believe there is "similar
hardware" are always proving to not understand that no such iPhone exists.

> Sadly, newer
> Android phones without headphone jacks can't receive FM broadcasts.

Don't most Android owners purchase midrange Android phones ($300 to $600)?
Don't most of those $<600 midrange Android phones have a headphone jack?

> Auracast Broadcast Audio (multipoint Bluetooth) is coming soon which
> will not require an FM receiver
> <https://www.androidpolice.com/bluetooth-auracast-stream-to-unlimited-number-of-headphones/>.

I don't know the percentages but it should be easy enough to look up
what price range of phone is most often purchased by Android users.

It seems reasonable to me that midrange phones are the most purchased.
You can't find an <$600 midrange Android phone with a headphone jack?
--
Regards
wasbit

In article <YBWBL.545921$vBI8.195819@fx15.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> There is no walled garden.

correct.

> That term applies to truly isolated products.

it's the usual troll narrative, which is easily debunked.

> Of course where Apple shines (blindingly bright) is cross device
> integration using iCloud as the connective tissue. So a note I'm
> writing on my Mac is on my Phone almost in real time. Indeed I can stop
> writing on the Mac and carry on on the phone (or v-v). The connectivity
> improves with each cycle

note that this also works between ios devices and windows.

a mac is *not* required.

> And if I need to step out of paradise there are plenty of work group
> apps to pull it altogether available from the app store that bridge most
> OS's out there. Some very good and everything down.

yep.

On 1/30/2023 1:28 PM, wasbit wrote:
> "sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
> <news:tr9a7e$3e5u1$3@dont-email.me>...
>
>>> You didn't understand what I said, which is there is no advantage to the
>>> iPhone *unless* you have other Apple devices inside their walled garden.
>>
>> My niece switched to an iPhone because all the other parents of
>> children in her child's school sport's team used iPhones with
>> iMessage. It was a hassle to use SMS when everyone else was using
>> iMessage. It's not just your own Apple devices, it's other people's
>> Apple devices as well.
>
> I would disagree that it's a "hassle" and you're going to have a hard sell
> to convince me that I don't SMS/MMS with iPhone & Android users alike.

It's actually a big hassle when you're doing group messages. See
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251596129>

On 1/30/23 8:22 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

> I bought my first smart phone about 6.5 years ago. I chose Android
> without thinking about TCO.

I chose Android because my only experience with an Apple product was
putting a Mac together for my company. I was able to delete the icon
for a basic system function (I thought it was the function itself; who
knew?) without having a clue about what I was doing. I like words, not
pictures. I decided I never wanted to deal with an Apple Anything ever
again. We very nearly bought a Lisa, but the deal didn't work out so we
bought an NEC APC. Expensive and disappointing.

My BLU phone was dirt-cheap crap. Motorolas were good. Pixel is best,
except for the battery. In all cases TCO is negligible.

--
Cheers, Bev
The beatings will continue until morale improves

On 1/30/2023 1:49 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> My BLU phone was dirt-cheap crap.  Motorolas were good.  Pixel is best,
> except for the battery.  In all cases TCO is negligible.

BLU still seems to be going strong, as does TCL. TCL phones are dirt
cheap and not worth every penny. Surprisingly, some of the BLU phones
are pretty expensive.

HSN sells a TCL phone, with a year of minimal service, for $39.99
($29.99 with a $10 off promo code). But it's better spending a little
more for a Samsung A series ($59.99) or a two pack of Motorola G Pure
phones for $99.99.

I ended up with a Motorola One Ace 5G for free when I got the latest
Xfinity broadband promo a year ago: $19.99 for 50Gb/s service but
"boosted" 12x to 600Mb/s if you take one line of Xfinity mobile at
$15/month, and a "free" phone. I never use that line but I have to keep
it active for 24 months.

Am 30.01.23 um 18:23 schrieb Bugsy:
> RonTheGuy <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
>> Don't forget Samsung also copied the app store concept by adding the Galaxy
>> Store - which multiplies Android app selection by even more than you think.
>
> Add to that there are some apps that compete directly with Google apps so
> Google won't allow them on their app store but you can download them from
> the developers web sites so that multiplies app selection by even more.

This in itself is no value at all. I want the apps that fullfill my needs.

> Plus you can get archives of almost every app that was ever on the Google
> Play Store which multiplies the choices by thousands more than said above.

Completely irrelevant.

> Apple can't compete on app selection having only one restricted app store.

As user of Pixels and iPhones this is utter bullshit and has absoklutely
no practical relevance in real life. And you know it.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Am 30.01.23 um 18:44 schrieb sms:
> On 1/30/2023 9:23 AM, Bugsy wrote:
>
> <snip
> .
>> Apple can't compete on app selection having only one restricted app store.
>
> Occasionally I have a relative or friend ask me how to do something on
> their iPhone that I'm able to do on an Android device and I have to tell
> them that it's not possible because there is no equivalent app available
> on iOS.

You are once more flatly lying and fabricating stories.
If it should happen it only proves that you have no clue about iPhones.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

On 1/30/23 2:19 PM, sms wrote:
> On 1/30/2023 1:49 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> My BLU phone was dirt-cheap crap.  Motorolas were good.  Pixel is best,
>> except for the battery.  In all cases TCO is negligible.
>
> BLU still seems to be going strong, as does TCL. TCL phones are dirt
> cheap and not worth every penny. Surprisingly, some of the BLU phones
> are pretty expensive.

I noticed that. Based on my experience with my first one, I disregard
the rest.

> HSN sells a TCL phone, with a year of minimal service, for $39.99
> ($29.99 with a $10 off promo code). But it's better spending a little
> more for a Samsung A series ($59.99) or a two pack of Motorola G Pure
> phones for $99.99.

BIL was given one of those phones where the screen slides over the
keypad. He could make calls with it, but that was all. Ultimately it
died. T-Mobile sold him some kind of flip phone with some amount of
time for $98.00. We could probably have found the same thing elsewhere
for much cheaper, but he's technologically unsophisticated and this was
probably the best way for him. The T-Mobile people I've talked to are
really helpful and not stupid.

Next time I see him I'll show him how to take pictures with it, which I
think he would find useful. He has no computer knowledge or access, but
he has friends :-)

> I ended up with a Motorola One Ace 5G for free when I got the latest
> Xfinity broadband promo a year ago: $19.99 for 50Gb/s service but
> "boosted" 12x to 600Mb/s if you take one line of Xfinity mobile at
> $15/month, and a "free" phone. I never use that line but I have to keep
> it active for 24 months.

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Cheers, Bev
"Do not try to solve all life's problems at once -- learn to
dread each day as it comes." -- Donald Kaul

"Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>" wrote in message
<news:YBWBL.545921$vBI8.195819@fx15.iad>...

>> The only reason to choose iOS, as far as I can tell, is if you already are
>> an Apple-only household because iOS plays nice only in the walled garden.
>
> There is no walled garden.

Let's say I believe that the infamous walled garden doesn't exist anymore.

Then let's say I want an alterative app that Apple won't allow on the App
Store and which Google won't allow on the Google Play Store but which is
open sourced so it exists at the developer site, github, sourceforge, etc.

It's easily loaded onto Android by *ANY* non-rooted Android user, right?
But how does it get permanently installed on iOS by a similar typical user?
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wasbit

"sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
<news:tr9d7b$3et38$1@dont-email.me>...

>> I would disagree that it's a "hassle" and you're going to have a hard sell
>> to convince me that I don't SMS/MMS with iPhone & Android users alike.
>
> It's actually a big hassle when you're doing group messages. See
> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251596129>

Can you explain why *YOU* have a hassle doing group messages but I don't?
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wasbit

On 1/30/2023 2:45 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> BIL was given one of those phones where the screen slides over the
> keypad.  He could make calls with it, but that was all.  Ultimately it
> died.  T-Mobile sold him some kind of flip phone with some amount of
> time for $98.00.  We could probably have found the same thing elsewhere
> for much cheaper, but he's technologically unsophisticated and this was
> probably the best way for him.  The T-Mobile people I've talked to are
> really helpful and not stupid.

Living in Silicon Valley it's easy to forget that the level of
technological sophistication is less than expected in some areas and
among some demographics.

I found some T-Mobile people helpful. The first time I considered them,
I went to the local store, they looked up my address, and told me that
their service was not available. Another time, one of their stores in
San Francisco was very unhelpful wanting to charge a large fee for
activating four new lines, but a mall kiosk a five minute walk away was
able to port four lines over at no charge.

Reading some Usenet posts is a stark reminder that not everyone
understands all of the intricacies involved in choosing a device and a
mobile operator.

On 1/30/2023 2:59 PM, wasbit wrote:
> "sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
> <news:tr9d7b$3et38$1@dont-email.me>...
>
>>> I would disagree that it's a "hassle" and you're going to have a hard
>>> sell
>>> to convince me that I don't SMS/MMS with iPhone & Android users alike.
>>
>> It's actually a big hassle when you're doing group messages. See
>> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251596129>
>
> Can you explain why *YOU* have a hassle doing group messages but I don't?

Apple already explained it, see the link I provided
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251596129>.

You can read more about it here:
<https://www.computerworld.com/article/3646870/android-ios-messaging.html>.

There's a way to get iMessage on Android, kind of, but it requires that
a Mac computer be used
<https://www.airdroid.com/file-transfer/how-to-use-imessage-on-android/>.

Apple is unlikely to ever allow an iMessage app for Android because
iMessage is one of the major selling points of iPhone.

In article <tr9hre$3fol7$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit
<wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> It's easily loaded onto Android by *ANY* non-rooted Android user, right?

sometimes root is required, depending on the app.

> But how does it get permanently installed on iOS by a similar typical user?

there are several methods which have been discussed before, and you
ignore all of it because it contradicts your trolling.