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* Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?Jim
+* Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?William Unruh
|`- Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?William Unruh
+* Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?David W. Hodgins
|`* Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?Jim Beard
| +- Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?-- SolvedJim
| `* Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?Jim
|  `* Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?TJ
|   `* Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?Jim
|    +* Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?Bit Twister
|    |`- Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?William Unruh
|    `* Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?TJ
|     `* Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?Jim
|      `* Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?TJ
|       `- Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?Jim
`- Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?Doug Laidlaw

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Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?

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From: jim.be...@verizon.net (Jim)
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mageia
Subject: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?
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 by: Jim - Sun, 23 May 2021 16:32 UTC

On 14 May my usual "update everything" from the Princeton math server
updated my main machine to kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.

Today I got around to updating my backup machine, allowing it to choose
its server from the mirror list, and that has provided an update to
kernel-desktop-5.10.37.4-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.

I used mcc to look at the princeton server, and 5.12.4-1 is there,
but did not appear when I searched the "mirror media" provided by mcc on
my backup machine.

An oddity I had not noticed, running rpm -qa |grep 5.12.4 yields
kernel-userspace-headers-5.12.4-1.mga8
kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8
cpupower-5.12.4-1.mga8
kernel-desktop-latest-5.12.4-1.mga8

Note the -1-1.mga8 at the end of kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
A search using mcc shows kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 without the final
-1-1.mga8.

Does anyone know what is going on with this?

Cheers!

jim b.

Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?

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From: unr...@invalid.ca (William Unruh)
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Subject: Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?
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 by: William Unruh - Sun, 23 May 2021 17:46 UTC

On 2021-05-23, Jim <jim.beard@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 14 May my usual "update everything" from the Princeton math server
> updated my main machine to kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>
> Today I got around to updating my backup machine, allowing it to choose
> its server from the mirror list, and that has provided an update to
> kernel-desktop-5.10.37.4-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>
> I used mcc to look at the princeton server, and 5.12.4-1 is there,
> but did not appear when I searched the "mirror media" provided by mcc on
> my backup machine.

It is in backports. You must have backports as part of your list of
repositories in your main machine as well as release and updates
..

Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?

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From: unr...@invalid.ca (William Unruh)
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Subject: Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?
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 by: William Unruh - Sun, 23 May 2021 18:00 UTC

On 2021-05-23, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> On 2021-05-23, Jim <jim.beard@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 14 May my usual "update everything" from the Princeton math server
>> updated my main machine to kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>
>> Today I got around to updating my backup machine, allowing it to choose
>> its server from the mirror list, and that has provided an update to
>> kernel-desktop-5.10.37.4-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.

Note that allowing selection from mirror can be very dangerous. I
updated my machine from mga7 to Mga8. It was a complete mess. There were
packets downloaded labeled .mga9. Clearly some mirror, chosen by my
system and Mageia, was still serving cauldron instead of the
released mga8. (Note that this was over a month after the release of
Mga8). This destroyed the updte. I only discovered the problem after
about 4 hours of trying to figure out why the update was not completing.

>>
>> I used mcc to look at the princeton server, and 5.12.4-1 is there,
>> but did not appear when I searched the "mirror media" provided by mcc on
>> my backup machine.
>
> It is in backports. You must have backports as part of your list of
> repositories in your main machine as well as release and updates
> .

Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?

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From: dwhodg...@nomail.afraid.org (David W. Hodgins)
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mageia
Subject: Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?
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 by: David W. Hodgins - Sun, 23 May 2021 19:01 UTC

On Sun, 23 May 2021 12:32:30 -0400, Jim <jim.beard@verizon.net> wrote:

> On 14 May my usual "update everything" from the Princeton math server
> updated my main machine to kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>
> Today I got around to updating my backup machine, allowing it to choose
> its server from the mirror list, and that has provided an update to
> kernel-desktop-5.10.37.4-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>
> I used mcc to look at the princeton server, and 5.12.4-1 is there,
> but did not appear when I searched the "mirror media" provided by mcc on
> my backup machine.
>
> An oddity I had not noticed, running rpm -qa |grep 5.12.4 yields
> kernel-userspace-headers-5.12.4-1.mga8
> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8
> cpupower-5.12.4-1.mga8
> kernel-desktop-latest-5.12.4-1.mga8
>
>
> Note the -1-1.mga8 at the end of kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
> A search using mcc shows kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 without the final
> -1-1.mga8.

http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/8/x86_64/media/core/backports/kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.x86_64.rpm

The backports repos should only be enabled, an intentionally chosen package
installed and then the backports repos should be disabled.

Backports should not be use as a source for auto-select.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

--
Change dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org to davidwhodgins@teksavvy.com for
email replies.

Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?

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From: jim.be...@verizon.net (Jim Beard)
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mageia
Subject: Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?
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 by: Jim Beard - Mon, 24 May 2021 00:34 UTC

On Sun, 23 May 2021 15:01:11 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:

> On Sun, 23 May 2021 12:32:30 -0400, Jim <jim.beard@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On 14 May my usual "update everything" from the Princeton math server
>> updated my main machine to kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>
>> Today I got around to updating my backup machine, allowing it to choose
>> its server from the mirror list, and that has provided an update to
>> kernel-desktop-5.10.37.4-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>
>> I used mcc to look at the princeton server, and 5.12.4-1 is there,
>> but did not appear when I searched the "mirror media" provided by mcc
>> on my backup machine.
>>
>> An oddity I had not noticed, running rpm -qa |grep 5.12.4 yields
>> kernel-userspace-headers-5.12.4-1.mga8
>> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8 cpupower-5.12.4-1.mga8
>> kernel-desktop-latest-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>
>>
>> Note the -1-1.mga8 at the end of kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>> A search using mcc shows kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 without the final
>> -1-1.mga8.
>
> http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/8/x86_64/media/core/
backports/kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.x86_64.rpm
>
> The backports repos should only be enabled, an intentionally chosen
> package installed and then the backports repos should be disabled.
>
> Backports should not be use as a source for auto-select.

I will accept the recommendation from you and William Unruh. Backports
disabled.

Years ago, when applications were evolving rapidly, I got in the habit of
updating with any backports available, and it served me will, in my
estimation. These days, it would seem unneeded.

FWIW, Pan on my main machine running 5.12.4-1 is not able to contact
eternal-september.org, but this machine my backup just updated to the
5.10.37-2 kernel is working fine.

I tinkered with pan, changing the backup server when pan complained it
could not connect to reader80.eternal-september.org on port 80
(plaintext) to reader443.eternal-september.org on port 443 (encrypted),
Perhaps that backup should be removed entirely, as port 563 (encryted)
alone works fine with this machine.

Or perhaps the backport 5.12.4-1 kernel has a kink or two. Deleting it
and updating to 5.10.37-2 would be a possibility....

Cheers!

jim b.

--
UNIX is not user-unfriendly, it merely expects users to be computer-
friendly.

Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?-- Solved

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Subject: Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?-- Solved
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 by: Jim - Mon, 24 May 2021 00:45 UTC

On Mon, 24 May 2021 00:34:04 +0000, Jim Beard wrote:

> On Sun, 23 May 2021 15:01:11 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 May 2021 12:32:30 -0400, Jim <jim.beard@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14 May my usual "update everything" from the Princeton math server
>>> updated my main machine to kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>
>>> Today I got around to updating my backup machine, allowing it to
>>> choose its server from the mirror list, and that has provided an
>>> update to kernel-desktop-5.10.37.4-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>
>>> I used mcc to look at the princeton server, and 5.12.4-1 is there,
>>> but did not appear when I searched the "mirror media" provided by mcc
>>> on my backup machine.
>>>
>>> An oddity I had not noticed, running rpm -qa |grep 5.12.4 yields
>>> kernel-userspace-headers-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8 cpupower-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>> kernel-desktop-latest-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>>
>>>
>>> Note the -1-1.mga8 at the end of
>>> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>> A search using mcc shows kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 without the
>>> final -1-1.mga8.
>>
>> http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/8/x86_64/media/
core/
> backports/kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.x86_64.rpm
>>
>> The backports repos should only be enabled, an intentionally chosen
>> package installed and then the backports repos should be disabled.
>>
>> Backports should not be use as a source for auto-select.
>
> I will accept the recommendation from you and William Unruh. Backports
> disabled.
>
> Years ago, when applications were evolving rapidly, I got in the habit
> of updating with any backports available, and it served me will, in my
> estimation. These days, it would seem unneeded.
>
> FWIW, Pan on my main machine running 5.12.4-1 is not able to contact
> eternal-september.org, but this machine my backup just updated to the
> 5.10.37-2 kernel is working fine.
>
> I tinkered with pan, changing the backup server when pan complained it
> could not connect to reader80.eternal-september.org on port 80
> (plaintext) to reader443.eternal-september.org on port 443 (encrypted),
> Perhaps that backup should be removed entirely, as port 563 (encryted)
> alone works fine with this machine.
>
> Or perhaps the backport 5.12.4-1 kernel has a kink or two. Deleting it
> and updating to 5.10.37-2 would be a possibility....
>
> Cheers!
>
> jim b.

As a final note, pan is again working smoothly on my main machine, which
still has the 5.12.4-1 kernel. I did change the backup server to the
port 443 server, and will simply leave that as is, rather than delete it.

Cheers!

jim b.

--
UNIX is not user-unfriendly, it merely expects users to be computer-
friendly.

Re: Should rpm kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 be available?

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 by: Jim - Mon, 24 May 2021 01:40 UTC

On Mon, 24 May 2021 00:34:04 +0000, Jim Beard wrote:

> On Sun, 23 May 2021 15:01:11 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 May 2021 12:32:30 -0400, Jim <jim.beard@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14 May my usual "update everything" from the Princeton math server
>>> updated my main machine to kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>
>>> Today I got around to updating my backup machine, allowing it to
>>> choose its server from the mirror list, and that has provided an
>>> update to kernel-desktop-5.10.37.4-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>
>>> I used mcc to look at the princeton server, and 5.12.4-1 is there,
>>> but did not appear when I searched the "mirror media" provided by mcc
>>> on my backup machine.
>>>
>>> An oddity I had not noticed, running rpm -qa |grep 5.12.4 yields
>>> kernel-userspace-headers-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8 cpupower-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>> kernel-desktop-latest-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>>
>>>
>>> Note the -1-1.mga8 at the end of
>>> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>> A search using mcc shows kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 without the
>>> final -1-1.mga8.
>>
>> http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/8/x86_64/media/
core/
> backports/kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.x86_64.rpm
>>
>> The backports repos should only be enabled, an intentionally chosen
>> package installed and then the backports repos should be disabled.
>>
>> Backports should not be use as a source for auto-select.
>
> I will accept the recommendation from you and William Unruh. Backports
> disabled.
>
> Years ago, when applications were evolving rapidly, I got in the habit
> of updating with any backports available, and it served me will, in my
> estimation. These days, it would seem unneeded.
>
> FWIW, Pan on my main machine running 5.12.4-1 is not able to contact
> eternal-september.org, but this machine my backup just updated to the
> 5.10.37-2 kernel is working fine.
>
> I tinkered with pan, changing the backup server when pan complained it
> could not connect to reader80.eternal-september.org on port 80
> (plaintext) to reader443.eternal-september.org on port 443 (encrypted),
> Perhaps that backup should be removed entirely, as port 563 (encryted)
> alone works fine with this machine.
>
> Or perhaps the backport 5.12.4-1 kernel has a kink or two. Deleting it
> and updating to 5.10.37-2 would be a possibility....

continuing the saga,

I rebooted my main machine to 5.10.33 kernel, used urpme to remove the
5.12.4 kernel (which took another three rpms with it), and tried to
update, expecting the 5.10.37-2 kernel to be installed. It was not.

I went in mcc, deleted anything 5.12.4 that I thought non-critical
and then chose the 5.10.37-2 kernel to install. That brought in well
over a hundred rpms as dependencies, and also demanded to install the
5.12.4 kernel as a dependency.

At this point, I decided to be adventurous, and went for it.
That accomplished I rebooted to 5.10.37-2 and went into mcc and tried to
delete the 5.12.4 kernel. This time it deleted the thing.

There is still a cpu-5.12.4 rpm that I had not deleted but that no longer
shows up among my system's rpms, nor is it available via mcc.

Fingers crossed, I shall continue onward, hoping all will work.

Moral: A backport kernel may involve more complexities than one may wish
to deal with.

Cheers!

jim b.

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 by: TJ - Tue, 25 May 2021 15:54 UTC

On 5/23/21 9:40 PM, Jim wrote:
> On Mon, 24 May 2021 00:34:04 +0000, Jim Beard wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 May 2021 15:01:11 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 May 2021 12:32:30 -0400, Jim <jim.beard@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14 May my usual "update everything" from the Princeton math server
>>>> updated my main machine to kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>>
>>>> Today I got around to updating my backup machine, allowing it to
>>>> choose its server from the mirror list, and that has provided an
>>>> update to kernel-desktop-5.10.37.4-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>>
>>>> I used mcc to look at the princeton server, and 5.12.4-1 is there,
>>>> but did not appear when I searched the "mirror media" provided by mcc
>>>> on my backup machine.
>>>>
>>>> An oddity I had not noticed, running rpm -qa |grep 5.12.4 yields
>>>> kernel-userspace-headers-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>>> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8 cpupower-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>>> kernel-desktop-latest-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note the -1-1.mga8 at the end of
>>>> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>> A search using mcc shows kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 without the
>>>> final -1-1.mga8.
>>>
>>> http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/8/x86_64/media/
> core/
>> backports/kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.x86_64.rpm
>>>
>>> The backports repos should only be enabled, an intentionally chosen
>>> package installed and then the backports repos should be disabled.
>>>
>>> Backports should not be use as a source for auto-select.
>>
>> I will accept the recommendation from you and William Unruh. Backports
>> disabled.
>>
>> Years ago, when applications were evolving rapidly, I got in the habit
>> of updating with any backports available, and it served me will, in my
>> estimation. These days, it would seem unneeded.
>>
>> FWIW, Pan on my main machine running 5.12.4-1 is not able to contact
>> eternal-september.org, but this machine my backup just updated to the
>> 5.10.37-2 kernel is working fine.
>>
>> I tinkered with pan, changing the backup server when pan complained it
>> could not connect to reader80.eternal-september.org on port 80
>> (plaintext) to reader443.eternal-september.org on port 443 (encrypted),
>> Perhaps that backup should be removed entirely, as port 563 (encryted)
>> alone works fine with this machine.
>>
>> Or perhaps the backport 5.12.4-1 kernel has a kink or two. Deleting it
>> and updating to 5.10.37-2 would be a possibility....
>
> continuing the saga,
>
> I rebooted my main machine to 5.10.33 kernel, used urpme to remove the
> 5.12.4 kernel (which took another three rpms with it), and tried to
> update, expecting the 5.10.37-2 kernel to be installed. It was not.
>
> I went in mcc, deleted anything 5.12.4 that I thought non-critical
> and then chose the 5.10.37-2 kernel to install. That brought in well
> over a hundred rpms as dependencies, and also demanded to install the
> 5.12.4 kernel as a dependency.
>
> At this point, I decided to be adventurous, and went for it.
> That accomplished I rebooted to 5.10.37-2 and went into mcc and tried to
> delete the 5.12.4 kernel. This time it deleted the thing.
>
> There is still a cpu-5.12.4 rpm that I had not deleted but that no longer
> shows up among my system's rpms, nor is it available via mcc.
>
> Fingers crossed, I shall continue onward, hoping all will work.
>
> Moral: A backport kernel may involve more complexities than one may wish
> to deal with.
>
> Cheers!
>
> jim b.
>
If you delete the highest numbered kernel and its kernel-devel
packages(if used), then you need to install the kernel-whatever-latest
and kernel-whatever-devel-latest for the now highest numbered
kernel(whatever being desktop, server, or desktop586, whichever is
installed) before that kernel will update. Also, if you are using
virtualbox, you'll need the proper "latest" kernel modules for that, too.

The "latest" packages are what ensures you get the newest kernel updates
when they become available. They are replaced with new ones when you
update through normal update means, but not if you just install that
kernel on your own.

BTW, I haven't looked today, but yesterday there was a new kernel 5.12,
I think 5.12.6, in backports-testing, awaiting QA attention...

TJ

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On Tue, 25 May 2021 11:54:55 -0400, TJ wrote:

> On 5/23/21 9:40 PM, Jim wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 May 2021 00:34:04 +0000, Jim Beard wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 May 2021 15:01:11 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 23 May 2021 12:32:30 -0400, Jim <jim.beard@verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14 May my usual "update everything" from the Princeton math
>>>>> server updated my main machine to
>>>>> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I got around to updating my backup machine, allowing it to
>>>>> choose its server from the mirror list, and that has provided an
>>>>> update to kernel-desktop-5.10.37.4-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used mcc to look at the princeton server, and 5.12.4-1 is there,
>>>>> but did not appear when I searched the "mirror media" provided by
>>>>> mcc on my backup machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> An oddity I had not noticed, running rpm -qa |grep 5.12.4 yields
>>>>> kernel-userspace-headers-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>>>> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8 cpupower-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>>>> kernel-desktop-latest-5.12.4-1.mga8
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Note the -1-1.mga8 at the end of
>>>>> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>>> A search using mcc shows kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 without the
>>>>> final -1-1.mga8.
>>>>
>>>> http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/8/x86_64/media/
>> core/
>>> backports/kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.x86_64.rpm
>>>>
>>>> The backports repos should only be enabled, an intentionally chosen
>>>> package installed and then the backports repos should be disabled.
>>>>
>>>> Backports should not be use as a source for auto-select.
>>>
>>> I will accept the recommendation from you and William Unruh.
>>> Backports disabled.
>>>
>>> Years ago, when applications were evolving rapidly, I got in the habit
>>> of updating with any backports available, and it served me will, in my
>>> estimation. These days, it would seem unneeded.
>>>
>>> FWIW, Pan on my main machine running 5.12.4-1 is not able to contact
>>> eternal-september.org, but this machine my backup just updated to the
>>> 5.10.37-2 kernel is working fine.
>>>
>>> I tinkered with pan, changing the backup server when pan complained it
>>> could not connect to reader80.eternal-september.org on port 80
>>> (plaintext) to reader443.eternal-september.org on port 443
>>> (encrypted),
>>> Perhaps that backup should be removed entirely, as port 563 (encryted)
>>> alone works fine with this machine.
>>>
>>> Or perhaps the backport 5.12.4-1 kernel has a kink or two. Deleting
>>> it and updating to 5.10.37-2 would be a possibility....
>>
>> continuing the saga,
>>
>> I rebooted my main machine to 5.10.33 kernel, used urpme to remove the
>> 5.12.4 kernel (which took another three rpms with it), and tried to
>> update, expecting the 5.10.37-2 kernel to be installed. It was not.
>>
>> I went in mcc, deleted anything 5.12.4 that I thought non-critical and
>> then chose the 5.10.37-2 kernel to install. That brought in well over
>> a hundred rpms as dependencies, and also demanded to install the 5.12.4
>> kernel as a dependency.
>>
>> At this point, I decided to be adventurous, and went for it.
>> That accomplished I rebooted to 5.10.37-2 and went into mcc and tried
>> to delete the 5.12.4 kernel. This time it deleted the thing.
>>
>> There is still a cpu-5.12.4 rpm that I had not deleted but that no
>> longer shows up among my system's rpms, nor is it available via mcc.
>>
>> Fingers crossed, I shall continue onward, hoping all will work.
>>
>> Moral: A backport kernel may involve more complexities than one may
>> wish to deal with.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> jim b.
>>
> If you delete the highest numbered kernel and its kernel-devel
> packages(if used), then you need to install the kernel-whatever-latest
> and kernel-whatever-devel-latest for the now highest numbered
> kernel(whatever being desktop, server, or desktop586, whichever is
> installed) before that kernel will update. Also, if you are using
> virtualbox, you'll need the proper "latest" kernel modules for that,
> too.
>
> The "latest" packages are what ensures you get the newest kernel updates
> when they become available. They are replaced with new ones when you
> update through normal update means, but not if you just install that
> kernel on your own.
>
> BTW, I haven't looked today, but yesterday there was a new kernel 5.12,
> I think 5.12.6, in backports-testing, awaiting QA attention...

mcc used to install kernel-desktop-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8, which was
missing.

kernel-desktop-devel-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8 was installed when I
installed kernel-desktop-5.10.37-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.

I think I will leave backports-testing for those interested in testing.
Even when I installed backports, I did not go for testing.

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On Wed, 26 May 2021 14:11:07 -0000 (UTC), Jim wrote:

>
> I think I will leave backports-testing for those interested in testing.
> Even when I installed backports, I did not go for testing.

Once I pick/set a mirror I will run
urpmi.removemedia -y Debug Backport Testing 32bit
to remove those selections and all 32bit media since I do not need any 32 apps.

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 by: William Unruh - Wed, 26 May 2021 15:48 UTC

On 2021-05-26, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 May 2021 14:11:07 -0000 (UTC), Jim wrote:
>
>>
>> I think I will leave backports-testing for those interested in testing.
>> Even when I installed backports, I did not go for testing.
>
> Once I pick/set a mirror I will run
> urpmi.removemedia -y Debug Backport Testing 32bit
> to remove those selections and all 32bit media since I do not need any 32 apps.
Of course you could just put "ignore" into the stanze for those options
in /etc/urpmi/urpmi.conf. But I must say I do get mildly annoyed that
the system wastes my time during installation downloadind the index
files for all the possible media on installation, esp if one does not
have Gb ethernet, and then marking most as "ignore". I never could see
the sense in that.

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 by: TJ - Fri, 28 May 2021 12:22 UTC

On 5/26/21 10:11 AM, Jim wrote:
> mcc used to install kernel-desktop-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8, which was
> missing.
>
> kernel-desktop-devel-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8 was installed when I
> installed kernel-desktop-5.10.37-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>
> I think I will leave backports-testing for those interested in testing.
> Even when I installed backports, I did not go for testing.

The kernel-xx is a dependency of kernel-latest-xx, but kernel-latest-xx
is not a dependency of kernel-xx, so it is possible to have a kernel
installed without the associated "latest" package.

When you installed/upgraded to Mageia 8, the kernel-latest associated
with that kernel was installed automatically. When you update a kernel
through MCC, the old kernel-latest is replaced with the newer one, but
the old kernel is not removed, so that you have a backup in case the new
kernel doesn't work for you.

When you removed the backported kernel, the associated kernel-latest was
also removed, because it depends on the kernel. But, the kernel-latest
that was removed when the backported kernel was installed is *NOT*
automatically re-installed. You have to do that manually. If you don't,
then any new kernels that come along will not be pulled in by MCC as
updates.

TJ

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 by: Jim - Sat, 29 May 2021 02:36 UTC

On Fri, 28 May 2021 08:22:39 -0400, TJ wrote:

> On 5/26/21 10:11 AM, Jim wrote:
>> mcc used to install kernel-desktop-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8, which was
>> missing.
>>
>> kernel-desktop-devel-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8 was installed when I
>> installed kernel-desktop-5.10.37-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>
>> I think I will leave backports-testing for those interested in testing.
>> Even when I installed backports, I did not go for testing.
>
> The kernel-xx is a dependency of kernel-latest-xx, but kernel-latest-xx
> is not a dependency of kernel-xx, so it is possible to have a kernel
> installed without the associated "latest" package.
>
> When you installed/upgraded to Mageia 8, the kernel-latest associated
> with that kernel was installed automatically. When you update a kernel
> through MCC, the old kernel-latest is replaced with the newer one, but
> the old kernel is not removed, so that you have a backup in case the new
> kernel doesn't work for you.
>
> When you removed the backported kernel, the associated kernel-latest was
> also removed, because it depends on the kernel. But, the kernel-latest
> that was removed when the backported kernel was installed is *NOT*
> automatically re-installed. You have to do that manually. If you don't,
> then any new kernels that come along will not be pulled in by MCC as
> updates.

Thank you.

I now have,
rpm -qa |grep latest
kernel-desktop-devel-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8
kernel-desktop-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8

I think this should do it.

Cheers!

jim .

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 by: TJ - Sat, 29 May 2021 13:08 UTC

On 5/28/21 10:36 PM, Jim wrote:
> On Fri, 28 May 2021 08:22:39 -0400, TJ wrote:
>
>> On 5/26/21 10:11 AM, Jim wrote:
>>> mcc used to install kernel-desktop-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8, which was
>>> missing.
>>>
>>> kernel-desktop-devel-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8 was installed when I
>>> installed kernel-desktop-5.10.37-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>
>>> I think I will leave backports-testing for those interested in testing.
>>> Even when I installed backports, I did not go for testing.
>>
>> The kernel-xx is a dependency of kernel-latest-xx, but kernel-latest-xx
>> is not a dependency of kernel-xx, so it is possible to have a kernel
>> installed without the associated "latest" package.
>>
>> When you installed/upgraded to Mageia 8, the kernel-latest associated
>> with that kernel was installed automatically. When you update a kernel
>> through MCC, the old kernel-latest is replaced with the newer one, but
>> the old kernel is not removed, so that you have a backup in case the new
>> kernel doesn't work for you.
>>
>> When you removed the backported kernel, the associated kernel-latest was
>> also removed, because it depends on the kernel. But, the kernel-latest
>> that was removed when the backported kernel was installed is *NOT*
>> automatically re-installed. You have to do that manually. If you don't,
>> then any new kernels that come along will not be pulled in by MCC as
>> updates.
>
> Thank you.
>
> I now have,
> rpm -qa |grep latest
> kernel-desktop-devel-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8
> kernel-desktop-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8
>
> I think this should do it.
>
> Cheers!
>
> jim .
>
>
Just one more thing...

Every kernel update also includes an update to the cpupower package,
which, as I misunderstand it, is a collection of tools for tweaking
power management settings. Now, I don't know if you use that or not, (I
don't, at least not consciously) but logic would lead me to believe that
the cpupower for the kernel 5.12 series could easily have issues here
and there if you attempt to use it with a 5.10 series kernel.

In addition, when the next 5.10 series update, now in testing, comes
along, if the cpupower for 5.12 is in place, it will not be updated by
MCC, because it has a higher number than the proposed update.

So just to be safe, you should probably downgrade cpupower so it matches
your current kernel-latest, as well.

TJ

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 by: Doug Laidlaw - Sat, 29 May 2021 16:07 UTC

On 24/5/21 2:32 am, Jim wrote:
> On 14 May my usual "update everything" from the Princeton math server
> updated my main machine to kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>
> Today I got around to updating my backup machine, allowing it to choose
> its server from the mirror list, and that has provided an update to
> kernel-desktop-5.10.37.4-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>
> I used mcc to look at the princeton server, and 5.12.4-1 is there,
> but did not appear when I searched the "mirror media" provided by mcc on
> my backup machine.
>
> An oddity I had not noticed, running rpm -qa |grep 5.12.4 yields
> kernel-userspace-headers-5.12.4-1.mga8
> kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8
> cpupower-5.12.4-1.mga8
> kernel-desktop-latest-5.12.4-1.mga8
>
>
> Note the -1-1.mga8 at the end of kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8-1-1.mga8.
> A search using mcc shows kernel-desktop-5.12.4-1.mga8 without the final
> -1-1.mga8.
>
> Does anyone know what is going on with this?
>
> Cheers!
>
> jim b.
>
I am not sure if this is relevant to the present query, but all new
kernels issued recently have been listed in rpmdrake as just plain
"kernel-desktop." To find out which kernel they are talking about,
look in the "Version" column. The full RPM title can be seen in /boot.
This change may be for consistency reasons.

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 by: Jim - Sat, 29 May 2021 16:25 UTC

On Sat, 29 May 2021 09:08:26 -0400, TJ wrote:

> On 5/28/21 10:36 PM, Jim wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 May 2021 08:22:39 -0400, TJ wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/26/21 10:11 AM, Jim wrote:
>>>> mcc used to install kernel-desktop-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8, which was
>>>> missing.
>>>>
>>>> kernel-desktop-devel-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8 was installed when I
>>>> installed kernel-desktop-5.10.37-2.mga8-1-1.mga8.
>>>>
>>>> I think I will leave backports-testing for those interested in
>>>> testing.
>>>> Even when I installed backports, I did not go for testing.
>>>
>>> The kernel-xx is a dependency of kernel-latest-xx, but
>>> kernel-latest-xx is not a dependency of kernel-xx, so it is possible
>>> to have a kernel installed without the associated "latest" package.
>>>
>>> When you installed/upgraded to Mageia 8, the kernel-latest associated
>>> with that kernel was installed automatically. When you update a kernel
>>> through MCC, the old kernel-latest is replaced with the newer one, but
>>> the old kernel is not removed, so that you have a backup in case the
>>> new kernel doesn't work for you.
>>>
>>> When you removed the backported kernel, the associated kernel-latest
>>> was also removed, because it depends on the kernel. But, the
>>> kernel-latest that was removed when the backported kernel was
>>> installed is *NOT* automatically re-installed. You have to do that
>>> manually. If you don't, then any new kernels that come along will not
>>> be pulled in by MCC as updates.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> I now have,
>> rpm -qa |grep latest kernel-desktop-devel-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8
>> kernel-desktop-latest-5.10.37-2.mga8
>>
>> I think this should do it.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> jim .
>>
>>
> Just one more thing...
>
> Every kernel update also includes an update to the cpupower package,
> which, as I misunderstand it, is a collection of tools for tweaking
> power management settings. Now, I don't know if you use that or not, (I
> don't, at least not consciously) but logic would lead me to believe that
> the cpupower for the kernel 5.12 series could easily have issues here
> and there if you attempt to use it with a 5.10 series kernel.
>
> In addition, when the next 5.10 series update, now in testing, comes
> along, if the cpupower for 5.12 is in place, it will not be updated by
> MCC, because it has a higher number than the proposed update.
>
> So just to be safe, you should probably downgrade cpupower so it matches
> your current kernel-latest, as well.

Done.

The 5.12.4 cpupower package did not result in any discernible problem
with 5.10.37-2uname, but downgrading to make everything match is a very
good idea. Thanks for the tip. I had seen cpupower, but it did not
occur to me to look for it and downgrade.

Cheers!

jim b.

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