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* What is the SIZE difference between iOS & Android updates?Andy Burnelli
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 by: Michael - Tue, 7 Feb 2023 01:37 UTC

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 04:25:42 +0000, Andy Burnelli wrote:

> Those reasons, summarized perhaps too simply for you below, are...
> 1. Apple restricts what apps can do that it allows on the App Store.
> 2. Google does too (but to a hugely lesser extent by all accounts).
> 3. Even so, independent _developers_ create most app functionality.
> 4. And they can easily publish for Android users (but not for iOS users).

Everyone knows that they can't do the things on iOS that Android does.
Why are you trying to convince them of something they don't want to hear?
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 7 Feb 2023 01:40 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> Apple does _not_ build incremental updates.
>
> yes they do, for both mac os and ios.

Do you know the difference, nospam, between building and testing a release
stream, & then rolling that release stream out to every user on the planet?

Answer: You don't.

Steve doesn't know it either even as it's likely one of the biggest
differences between Android and iOS, and it's why Apple fucks up so much.

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 by: Alan - Tue, 7 Feb 2023 04:34 UTC

On 2023-02-06 17:08, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> even assuming 600 mb, it's a lot less than 2.8 gig, which is clear
>> proof of *incremental* updates and that you were wrong.
>
> Every time you talk about iOS, nospam, it's clear you have no idea that iOS
> is built as a monolithic block. Apple does _not_ build incremental updates.

You are completely wrong.

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 by: Alan Browne - Tue, 7 Feb 2023 17:16 UTC

On 2023-02-06 20:34, Peter wrote:

> If only iOS is updated the way you explained and if Android is updated like
> a normal operating system, then that's a big difference because it slows
> Apple down and prevents Apple from supporting more than one release at a
> time.

Eh?

> But if that's so, why doesn't that google Android/iOS comparison document
> from sms cover that difference in how the operating systems are built then?

Irrelevant compounding irrelevant doesn't get anyone very far.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:24 UTC

Hank Rogers wrote:

> you sure like to type

Steve, sometimes, as your Hank nym, you say funny things.
And I appreciate that.

Since you maintain that political document that you use to cater to
Cupertino, I'll summarize for you what matters most for this topic.

*The major difference between iOS & Android is iOS is crippled.*
*Android is not.*

While there is plenty of app functionality on Android not on iOS...
*There is _zero_ app functionality on iOS not on Android*

If there was, someone, even you, could name it - and they have not.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Wed, 8 Feb 2023 04:10 UTC

Hank Rogers wrote:

> And there's zero adults using iphones, right?

The iPhone user, in a word, Steve, is stupid.
You can't make those ungodly profit margins off of intelligent people.

I'm a scientist. And an engineer Steve.
You being an engineer should understand.

You and I are likely the most educated people on this newsgroup.
Only David Empson could hold a candle to our knowledge, Steve.

You and I also own both platforms, Steve.
I've bought likely more iOS devices than many of the iKooks, in fact.

You too.
I buy them for people who desperately desire iPhones, Steve.

Fancy that.

The question is why.
The answer is marketing.

Marketing preys on stupid people, Steve.
Marketing === lies.
[Billions upon billions of little white lies, in fact.]

Kellogg: "Breakfast is the most important meal of the day"
Apple: iOS is safer than Android

Lies are for stupid people to believe.
Me? I believe in facts.

You're a politician, right. You lie all the time, right?
It's normal for you to lie.

But not me. I'm a scientist. And an engineer.
I tell the truth.

More importantly, I don't trust marketing lies.
I investigate them.

That's how I know they're lies.
Most people _believe_ every word a marketing ad ever fed them.

Not me.
I _know_ people believe marketing lies, Steve.

For a decade, I've asked _everyone_ who has an iPhone, why they bought that
iPhone given it's crippled (which is something I'm well aware of).

They always regurgitate _exactly_ the lies Apple marketing fed them.

I ask people all the time test questions, such as why they're putting
high-octane gasoline in a Honda Civic too - just to test their them.

They always regurgitate _exactly_ the lies Chevron marketing fed them.

It turns out most people are a confluence of these traits:
a. They don't question facts (which is why they're stupid).
b. They are uneducated in that they "think" they know facts they don't.
c. They therefore believe everything MARKETING feeds them to believe.

And, when I ask them, they regurgitate it all back to me.
That's how I know almost every iPhone owner... is incredibly stupid.

Note: They may be intelligent people on an IQ test, and they may be
educated in other things, but when they tell me the iPhone is safer than
Android or some other marketing-fed lie, then I know they're stupid.
--
You can't make those ungodly profit margins off of intelligent people.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 8 Feb 2023 04:26 UTC

On 2023-02-07 20:10, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote:
>
>> And there's zero adults using iphones, right?
>
> The iPhone user, in a word, Steve, is stupid.
> You can't make those ungodly profit margins off of intelligent people.

Are Samsung's profit margins on its high end phones any less, Arlen?

>
> I'm a scientist. And an engineer Steve.

So you claim...

....but never prove.

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 by: Peter - Sun, 12 Feb 2023 17:22 UTC

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> But if that's so, why doesn't that google Android/iOS comparison document
>> from sms cover that difference in how the operating systems are built then?
>
> Irrelevant compounding irrelevant doesn't get anyone very far.

Why do you think time wasted sitting on bugfixes is irrelevant?
Sitting on fixed bugs without releases gives exploits more time.

Time is not irrelevant.
The time wasted sitting on fixed bugs is what's meaningful.

It didn't used to be that way in that both Android and iOS had to build a
new release every time that they needed to fix something so they let it go.

They waited.

They fixed a big. But waited for more.
Every operating system did this in the beginning before they knew better.

It's why fixes to Microsoft browsers take as long as they do to get out.
Because Microsoft waits until they have enough fixed to ship a release.

Instead, browsers came out that didn't need to be fixed only at release.
And they were fixed.

When a bug was found in the Microsoft browser, Microsoft waited.
When a bug was found in the Netscape browser, it was shipped right away.

The difference is time.

To be clear, Apple iOS and Android were the same way in the beginning.
Both wasted time waiting for enough bugs to be fixed to warrant a release.

That all changed for Android starting on October 31, 2013 but culminating
on September 3, 2019 when Android started fixing bugs outside the release.

To save time.

How can it not be relevant to give the exploiters less time to exploit?

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